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Look, it's obvious that the Browns had certain players targeted, and they pursued them and went and got them.
They were never going to go sign everyone, and I don't think we want them to do so. A team can only handle signing so many high dollar players.
We obviously had 2 big targets in free agency, and got them. We had 2 other useful targets, and we got them.
Now we will bargain shop.We're not going to sign $10 million/year players. (unless the team feels that a guy like Dumervil is the right move, and they very well may not)
It's obvious that the front office sees no good reason to overload the team with bad contracts. I cannot disagree with that. We might see some smaller deals come our way, but they are going to be very modest deals. (realtively speaking)
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I am a bit confused with the DB situation as well. Maybe they have decided to find our number 2 CB in the draft. It seems to be pretty deep this year.Maybe they are thinking that there is a real shot at trading down and getting a CB and G in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
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I am a bit confused with the DB situation as well. Maybe they have decided to find our number 2 CB in the draft. It seems to be pretty deep this year.Maybe they are thinking that there is a real shot at trading down and getting a CB and G in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
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I am a bit confused with the DB situation as well. Maybe they have decided to find our number 2 CB in the draft. It seems to be pretty deep this year.Maybe they are thinking that there is a real shot at trading down and getting a CB and G in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
this. we only picked up one player we actually "needed"
we still need a FB, WR, K,P,FS, CB, G, LB, QB, TE, KR/PR. we let a ton of players walk and signed backup players.
We have 6 picks in the draft.
I can't see us getting more than 2 possible starters in this draft- our 1st pick and a FB/K/P
we will be left with about 8 holes to fill next year
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We have 6 picks in the draft.
Plus whatever UDFA's we can sign. Not that we'll get much out of that, but you never know...
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Talib back to N.E.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/talib-returning-england-one-deal-175016605--nfl.html
What are waiting on ... we have plenty of $$$$$$$$$$, and we need to address Saftey, CB, TE and OG not to mention a Veteran WR ... 
Several factors might be in play here. First, we can call everybody in the world, but if they don't want to play here, there isn't anything we can do about that. Don't take me wrong here. I am not a doom and gloomer thinking people who don't want to play here is widespread, but I am sure that could be the case with some players.
On the same type deal, you have to look at who is calling. I could see most players deciding to talk to a team like the 49ers before they finally answered our call, so in some cases, guys get signed before we get to make our pitch. You have to understand, when you get a player you really want to come in, you don't want him to leave the building without a agreement in place.
We might at this point be waiting for the market to die down a bit, just as we did the last few years. Now the 2nd tier guys are really wanting to find a team...and by 2nd tier, I don't mean the rejects. Lot's of solid NFL players would be considered 2nd tier, so I think this week we might see another few players added.
None of our own free agents got the call in the first wave of signings, so some of them may be in the plans, not to mention we might have X dollars targeted to extend a player or two. You don't extend guys before you take your FA tour. You allow those dollars to be spent, then you know what you have to lock down a player or three.
To me, extending guys is easier. If a player still has a year or two on his contract and you are seeking to extend 3-4 years, handing that guy 5-6 million a year or two early in signing bonus talks loud and clear. If most of those guys are like most people, the first big bonus money went to stuff....cars, home, etc. Now they are thinking differently. The next 5 mil goes to retirement type things. They have matured, seeing how easy it is to peel though 2-3-4 million bucks.
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we still need a FB, WR, K,P,FS, CB, G, LB, QB, TE, KR/PR.
I wouldn't say that we need a FB, P or KR/KR.
We could use another WR and maybe a QB, but not a desperate need at either spot.
There is a need at K (and maybe Dawson will sign back with the Browns).
We could use a CB and replacements at both G positions.
We could certainly use an LB (you can always use more of them), but that's not necessarily 'mas importante' now. We have Kruger for one OLB spot and Jabaal Sheard at the other. D'Qwell is still there for one of the ILB spots and you have Fort at the other ILB spot. Then you have Robertson on the outside along with Quentin Groves if Sheard cannot make the transition from the 4-3 for some reason.
That leaves the TE spot as the last position where a need is necessary.
In my view, our draft needs should take a look at the G x 2, CB, FS and TE in no particular order.
There is a long, long way to go in the free agency period too.
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this. we only picked up one player we actually "needed"
we still need a FB, WR, K,P,FS, CB, G, LB, QB, TE, KR/PR. we let a ton of players walk and signed backup players.
We have 6 picks in the draft.
I can't see us getting more than 2 possible starters in this draft- our 1st pick and a FB/K/P
we will be left with about 8 holes to fill next year
Are you really insinuating that the previous regime would have done better in free agency? 
Who the heck created all those "holes?"
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Bingo. They would have need drafted and we would have been left with needs everywhere on our way to a 5-11 season again.
This might blow up in our faces, but at least they are trying to fill needs via FA allowing us to draft BPA. I actually have a slither of hope we might not suck this year for the first time in a long time.
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Are you really insinuating that the previous regime would have done better in free agency?
What difference does it make what H&H would have done in free agency?
How does what they would have done effect the upcomming season? 
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JC: Giants just signed Brandon Myers. Kinda dissapointing, he was someone I was interested in. I'm guessing we're pretty much all in for Fred Davis. Just kinda risky when his own team is working hard to get him too Well I Hope we sign Brent Grimes! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/16/giants-sign-brandon-myers/
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JC: Giants just signed Brandon Myers. Kinda dissapointing, he was someone I was interested in. I'm guessing we're pretty much all in for Fred Davis. Just kinda risky when his own team is working hard to get him too
Well I Hope we sign Brent Grimes!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/16/giants-sign-brandon-myers/
yeah i wanted myers on the browns to
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JC: Giants just signed Brandon Myers. Kinda dissapointing, he was someone I was interested in. I'm guessing we're pretty much all in for Fred Davis. Just kinda risky when his own team is working hard to get him too
Well I Hope we sign Brent Grimes!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/16/giants-sign-brandon-myers/
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yeah i wanted myers on the browns to
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Are you really insinuating that the previous regime would have done better in free agency?
I don't know that they'd have done better. But I do think this was the year that they would have gone to FA unlike their previous seasons and may have done just as well.
They stuck to their plan in building through the draft. Until it hurt really. They got themselves into a position where they had a ton of cap room. This FA period was ripe for them to sign some quality, young players. I like to think it was a plan.
Then the rug was pulled from under them when Lerner blindsided them by selling the team. I'm not complaining about that though. Tough luck for them. It is a business. Replacing Holmgren with Banner, a guy who has vast experience in that role, was good for the team.
But I do believe Heckert could have brought in some quality players just as Banner did. (I say Banner because it looks for all the world like he's calling the shots. I'm sure Lombardi plays an evaluator role, but he's rarely mentioned).
I didn't care for Shurmur for obvious reasons. But I do know that it was Holmgren and Heckert who built this team into one with the beginnings of a solid foundation of young players and left the team in great shape cap-wise. We can't deny them that. Nor project that they would have done poorly in FA.
Of course, Shurmur would still be here so it may have been done all for naught.
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The difference is that the poster I was replying to was complaining about how many needs we have. I just don't see how he thinks those needs would have been addressed if the previous regime was here. We were never active in FA under their direction.
At least we addressed the front seven in free agency. We are not going hog wild and spending too much money, but at least we are using FA as a tool. I don't see why that is such a terrible thing.
With that said, I do hope we get either a FS or a corner in free agency. Finding both in the draft might be too much to ask.
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I just don't see how he thinks those needs would have been addressed if the previous regime was here. We were never active in FA under their direction.
At least we addressed the front seven in free agency. We are not going hog wild and spending too much money, but at least we are using FA as a tool. I don't see why that is such a terrible thing.
With that said, I do hope we get either a FS or a corner in free agency. Finding both in the draft might be too much to ask.
+1  any F.A,s we did sign(previous regime) were medium to lower tier at best
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The last regime was trying to build the foundation through the draft first. No one knows what they would have done this year. And the guys we got I would put in the same class as Scott Fujita and Ben Watson. Both of those guys were considered good solid signs when they happened.
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And the guys we got I would put in the same class as Scott Fujita and Ben Watson. Both of those guys were considered good solid signs when they happened.
Big difference really, in my opinion. Good solid signings vs defense changing signings.
To begin with, the aging team Mangini had out there needed something in an effort to help him. But even Fujita and Watson were themselves aging.
Both of these guys we've brought in this FA are younger. Watson is 32 now (29 when signed) and not nearly at the top of the TE's playing at that time. Fujita is 33 now (30 when we signed him) and was clearly nearing the end of his career although he did give the Browns some very good play his first season here.
In contrast, Kruger is now 27 and was widely considered one of the two highest rated pass rushers this FA period. Bryant, also 27 and ranked 33 as well as the #1 rated DT on PFT's Hot 100 FA's this year.
None of the rankings mean squat but it's obvious these two guys are way beyond the class of Fujita and Watson at the time of their signings. Both in youth and quality. Plus, back then, one defense signing and one offensive signing is improvement. But this time with both of these quality players signing, the defense could greatly elevate one side of the ball to respectable.
We still have a few needs going forward and hopefully we'll be able to improve on those as well. Maybe not guys at the top of their positions but at least improvement over what we have now.
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We were never active in FA under their direction.
I think they had the plan to build a team from scratch that would win consistantly once their system was completely installed, where as now they have a foundation and are changing defenses and are getting players to do that transition. What we can agree on bottom line we want the team to start winning and win consistantly getting into and winning playoff games. I have no problem who's running the show as long as they win.
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. I just don't see how he thinks those needs would have been addressed if the previous regime was here. We were never active in FA under their direction.
They were very active in their first year. Free agency and some trades.
Watson, Fujita, Brown, Delhomme, Wallace, I think a few more. GoCong? Definitely not the "Building through the draft" slogan we heard the following 2 years.
Who knows what they would have done this year or why they changed-face and abandoned free agency their last 2 seasons. I always suspected that Randy made them cut the payroll, I think the sale of the team supports that.
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I always suspected that Randy made them cut the payroll, I think the sale of the team supports that.
I had moments where I had thought about the same thing until I remember Randy hiring Holmgren and IMO, giving him all those types of decisions.
In any case, no reason to speculate what we will never know. Yes, Heckert and that regime really didn't dip their toes in free agency. They did make this public, supporting the team's needs with young people via the draft. Who knows what they would, or wouldn't have done. We surely can thank that regime though for some talented, young players we should see in a Brown's uniform for years to come...
and they locked up Joe Thomas, which was huge. I had pinned Joe as wanting to get out of this losing environment so bad that he wouldn't even had been opened to entertain talks with the Brown's. I was wrong, and I am so happy that I was...
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Money plays into it as well. It's completely within reason to assume we called a few agents and when the issue of money came up, we might have quoted what we had in mind and maybe the agents didn't feel as if that was enough for his client and we wouldn't discuss going higher. that would end a conversation pretty quick as well.
Reports are we have a couple of TE's coming in and a CB that could very well be top shelf (Grimes) so clearly we aren't done yet.
As for needing an OG, I guess I'm in the minority here. I didn't think our OG's played nearly as bad as some seem to feel. But hey, there is always room for improvement. I just don't find it to be a priority.
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Big difference really, in my opinion. Good solid signings vs defense changing signings.
How can you say that? They haven't played a down yet for us. They could be Solid. They could be busts. You never know. When we got Fujita and Watson and traded for Gocong everyone said that they were Solid moves.
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I think they had the plan to build a team from scratch that would win consistantly once their system was completely installed,
You could be right. Just a little tired of reading that we are screwing up no matter what we do. Some guys were crying because we signed two front seven guys and are now complaining because we haven't signed Dummervill.
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How can you say that? They haven't played a down yet for us. They could be Solid. They could be busts. You never know. When we got Fujita and Watson and traded for Gocong everyone said that they were Solid moves.
LOL man, you are the one who judged them and compared them to Fujita and Watson before they have even "played a down for us yet."
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The signings of Fujita, Gocong and Watson were good signings. We didnt sign them to be all world but guys that can sure up their positions while adding high character guys to the locker.
Kruger and Bryant were signed to be all world guys that take the defense to another level. I think they can have that big of an impact.
Move Skrine to FS and add a couple corners and I think we would have one hell of a defense.
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Mourg, what makes you think Skrine can play FS?
I don't see great instincts. He has a slight build. Not good ball skills.
Tell me what you see that he can make that transition.
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When we were in our nickel and dime, I thought Skrine played much better when he was looking at what was happening in front of him. I think he struggled when he was asked to chase a receiver. He is a pretty good tackler to be slight of frame as well. Keep the play in front of him and he will be fine.
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I hope you're right, Mourg......but, I ain't holding my breath on that one. I think we need an upgrade.
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I don't see great instincts. He has a slight build. Not good ball skills.
Tell me what you see that he can make that transition.
I love to see Skrine play as the second CB but as a backup. Because of Skrine's size his weakness is one on one. I'm curious Skrin's play when he is in zone coverage. I think maybe more an option in an attacking front seven.
I agree. I am not sure what are Skrine's attributes making him a better FS other than speed. If he struggles now with height issues, I'm not sure how he'll do better moving to FS.
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There isn't a lot of upgrade material out there including the draft. The only guy that really has tweaked my interest as free safety is Bacari Rambo (hope I got his name right).} I think he is a willing tackler, decent range and better instincts than given credit for.
the other prospects i am intrigued with as a possible safety are corners that would need to be converted over.
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Not sure I am feeling the Skrine to FS thing. The guy who I think would make a good free safety is Bademosi. JMO
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I absolutely agree.
I love the way the kid tackles, wraps up beautifully, and he has exceptional speed as well. He did a nice job late last season as a fill in in the secondary, playing more CB than anything ..... but he has solid size to play FS. He's also extremely smart.
He was my post draft adopted player last year, and he didn't let me down. I would love to see him get a chance on defense as well as special teams.
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I believe Bademosi played free safety in college and I remember hearing something about him at the position a little at some point last season.. I did find a link to a page from before he was drafted listing him as a a safety.. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81815&draftyear=2012&genpos=FSNot sure if it is fully legit tho, i would say give it a shot
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He played CB last year and did a nice job.
I think that he has talent, smarts, and is driven. He's one of those guys, IMHO, who becomes a player because he forces his way into the lineup.
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It's neither here nor there at this point, but we should have made Josh Cribbs a FS 6-7 years ago.
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Probably
Looks like he went to Arizona last night for a physical and perhaps to sign a deal
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It's neither here nor there at this point, but we should have made Josh Cribbs a FS 6-7 years ago.
Way back when, I said Cribbs would make a great FS. However, after 2008 our offense was so pathetic that he became way too important for us on offense. Seems like he was the only offense we had under Mangini. But yea, I truly believe that he would have become a pro bowl FS.
As for Bademosi, I don't know anything about what he did in college. 1st I heard of him was in training camp when he was part of a group of Db's along with Gipson and that guy who made a whole bunch of big plays then got cut. I don't remember his name but I think he ended up signing with the Eagles.
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