"It is not our intent to trade Percy Harvin" What does that mean? "It means it is not our intent to trade Percy Harvin" Don't believe what you hear,see or read when it comes to GMs at this time of year.
Quote: Good, why would they be? The whole argument is just odd to me.
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You can't have enough big guys. As Joe said in Desmond's introduction presser, if one guy gets injured that the line would still be the focal point of the defense.
Cleveland Browns chief executive officer Joe Banner said the team is not considering trading DT Ahtyba Rubin or DT Phil Taylor.
Head coach Rob Chudzinski said one of them will play the nose tackle and the other will play defensive end.
2013-03-14 11:45:03 | Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot
And Chud already said that Sheard will play OLB.. so there you have it. we might trade/Cut Winn or Hughes or one of the others, but not Rubin or Taylor or Sheard..
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I'm discovering its all in the wording. Spielman said "It's not ourintent" Banner says "we are not considering" Neither one said "we will not" And that's as it should be.Someone comes along with a good offer and you take it,that makes that GM look foolish. Many will now take that as gospel,when in reality all it means is the Browns haven't received an offer that blows their socks off.
Quote: I'm discovering its all in the wording. Spielman said "It's not ourintent" Banner says "we are not considering" Neither one said "we will not" And that's as it should be.Someone comes along with a good offer and you take it,that makes that GM look foolish. Many will now take that as gospel,when in reality all it means is the Browns haven't received an offer that blows their socks off.
right. everything is up in the air. no doubt in my mind if someone offerd a good enough deal for any player on our roster it would be done. the sticker is what us fans think of it compared to the FO
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Quote: In other new......Spirit, Memphis, and Grossi heads explode having been denied the I told you so oppurtunity.
Well played.
I'll defer to the comment above made by the Minnesota GM about Harvin. If the Browns got a deal they couldn't pass up, they'd consider it. What is said now is not indicative of the future. It's easy for Banner to get out of saying those words when a legit deal is brought to the table.
Not surprised if a trade doesn't happen, it's just me speculating. I was made fun of when I said the RG3 trade would happen before draft..I can handle it.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
I was just messing with you bud not making fun...well at least not in a mean way...lol.
The only way I see us trading a dlineman would be for Mallet. I do not think the new FO is sold on Weeden (nor do I blame them) and it has been mentioned/rumored by a few reports that BB might be interested in one of the young dl. I see no way we trade one for something that doesn't involve a QB.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
Damn I hadn't thought of that,you're on top of it Willie. NE could use a dlineman,but I'm thinking it would take a little more to get Mallet.BB covets his draft picks. Say Taylor and a 4th,or 3rd? Tempting offer.
Quote: Damn I hadn't thought of that,you're on top of it Willie. NE could use a dlineman,but I'm thinking it would take a little more to get Mallet.BB covets his draft picks. Say Taylor and a 4th,or 3rd? Tempting offer.
That offer sucks. Why would we trade Phil Taylor for Ryan Mallet? One guy who has proven that he's a decent player and was a 1st round pick. For a guy who has proven absolutely nothing, and wasn't even viewed that highly coming into the NFL (3rd round pick)
Agreed although I'll be shocked if Bryant isn't starting, he's getting paid like a starter so I anticipate Winn and Hughes being the first two guys off the bench in the rotation.
I've been thinking the same thing. Belichick probably wouldn't mind seeing Rubin or Taylor lined up next to Vince Wilfork.
I wouldn't trade Taylor for Mallet as he is young and cheap. Rubin I would have to think about. And we probably wouldn't get a pick back because New England would have to absorb some salary.
While Banner said he isn't interested in trading linemen, he can probably become interested if the right deal came along. If the Colts called and said, "We'll trade you Andrew Luck for Billy Winn." He' problem become very interested.
Lol....One would hope. To clarify, I'm not saying I think that is the plan or that we would even do it, but rather was just saying imo that is the only scenerio I could see a DL getting traded.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
Browns CEO Joe Banner says team isn’t looking to trade anybody, including Phil Taylor, Ahtyba Rubin By Nate Ulrich Published: March 14, 2013
With their recent signing of Desmond Bryant, the Browns seemingly have a stacked defensive line as they transition to a 3-4 multi-front scheme.
Bryant’s arrival in Cleveland has led to speculation the Browns will trade either Phil Taylor or Ahtyba Rubin. Some believe one of those young, promising defensive linemen could even be packaged in a deal for New England Patriots backup quarterback Ryan Mallett. The Browns and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, after all, have inquired about trading for Mallett, the Boston Herald reported Wednesday.
But Browns CEO Joe Banner took his best shot this afternoon at quieting the rumblings during Bryant’s introductory news conference.
When asked about possibly trading Taylor or Rubin, Banner said, “Our purpose has been to put together a really strong unit, have some depth so we can rotate and so if we have any injuries the line will still be one of the primary assets of the team. That’s what we feel like we’re achieving. We’re not looking to be trading anybody.”
Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said Bryant will be used as a defensive end in the team’s 3-4 base defense. Bryant believes he’ll make a smooth transition from a defensive tackle in the Oakland Raiders’ 4-3 system to an end in the Browns’ 3-4.
“I see him in our base package, him being more of a defensive end type,” Chudzinski said. “And in sub, [he has] the ability to move inside in sub and even play defensive end in sub, which he’s done as well.”
That would give the Browns the option of playing either Taylor or Rubin at nose tackle and using the other one as an end. Chudzinski said the coaching staff must experiment with those two players to figure it out who fits where.
“I think we’re going to need to get on the field and see,” Chudzinski said. “Certainly they potentially can do both. Just how that all shakes out, we’ll see in time.”
Here are some other highlights from Bryant’s introductory news conference:
***Bryant was arrested in Miami last month on a misdemeanor charger of criminal mischief. He allegedly entered a neighbor’s house inebriated and caused a commotion, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, and his infamous mug shot went viral in the aftermath. “I obviously made a mistake,” Bryant said. “I apologize for everything that happened, but I feel like I’ve learned from it and I’ve moved on from that. I think I’ve done enough over the years I’ve been in the league to exhibit that’s really not the person that I am. And I think that in time, I’ll be able to show you guys and whoever else wants to know, that’s really not indicative of me.”
***Banner said the Browns thoroughly evaluated the situation and found out everything about Bryant they could by talking with people close to him. Banner said strength and conditioning coach Brad Roll spent last season with Bryant in Oakland and knows him, which contributed to the Browns feeling comfortable with him.
***Banner said the signings of Bryant and former Baltimore Ravens outside linebacker Paul Kruger will be the biggest moves the Browns make in free agency but he hopes they’re not the last.
***The Browns and nearly every other team in the NFL attended West Virginia’s pro day today, but Banner declined to reveal who the organization sent to watch quarterback Geno Smith and Co. work out.
So now we're set on the defensive line, not only with starters but with sub's as well.
We have added Kruger to potentially complete the OLB starters.
The only spots left to fill are Corner, Safety, and possibly an ILB, as I'm not convinced Gocong is the answer. He may have been but that injury leaves a bunch of questions.
I'm certain we're not done in free agency, as there are a bunch of quality corners out there to be had who aren't named Sheldon Brown.
Things are shaping up nicely. Chicken Little has gone radio-silent...
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Quote: I'm discovering its all in the wording. Spielman said "It's not ourintent" Banner says "we are not considering" Neither one said "we will not" And that's as it should be.Someone comes along with a good offer and you take it,that makes that GM look foolish. Many will now take that as gospel,when in reality all it means is the Browns haven't received an offer that blows their socks off.
Isn't it always about the wording?
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Quote: Big men don't run as fast when they are tired....Rotation....Do you really think that we are going to play 3 DLmen for 70 plays...
It will be interesting to see how we handle this when facing no-huddle, hurry-up offences...
How would we handle it differently if we hadn't brought in another defensive lineman? I swear that some of you are looking so hard for negatives that you aren't using your common sense.
Didn't we lose Rucker? Parker? Why in God's name is it so terrible that we added another d-lineman? Plus, he's a pretty darn good player.
I've tried to start a discussion on a couple of threads about this, but I a worried about the secondary. That's the problem, here. We do need one more LBer, but FS and CB are huge concerns.
Very glad to read this. We don't need to trade away any of our core players and Rubin and Taylor are two very talented players that we certainly need to keep around. Quality depth is the difference between a good defense and a great one.
"You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"
If you wanna complain, perhaps you should switch your argument to this. You really expose your secondary when you attack so much. You better have corners who can cover and a FS who can roam the field. Yes, quick pressure will hide some problems in the secondary. However, there are going to be plenty of times the pressure won't get there. Our secondary is a huge weakness.
Haden is pretty good, but overrated by most. There are WRs who run away from him when they run crossing routes. Yes, those plays take time to develop, but he gives up those plays. I am not saying he is weak, but he is not quite as great as almost everyone says he is.
Our other corner is a huge question mark? It better not be Skrine or we are in trouble. We need a corner. BAD!
Ward is good in the run game. He will probably blitz a lot under Horton. He will make big plays. But, he is terrible in pass coverage. Some of the worst hips I have ever seen. Doesn't read well. Gets lost in space.
FS? We don't have one and this is the most glaring need on our team. Mike Adams is good enough for Denver, but not us. I am not saying he is great, but he is better than what we currently have. All I know is that we really need an upgrade here. I wanted Golston from SF so bad. Detroit just got Houston's FS. I hope we address this position.
Unfortunately, I think its going to boil down to not being able to address all needs in one off season. Not to mention the Browns appear to be sticking very strictly to what they perceive as a players value. They will not over pay or get into a bidding war if the dollars don't fit with their perceived value of players.
One thing that is kind of bothering me is the age thing. I understand wanting to get and stay young. But its not a sin to sign a couple of thirty-somethings to bring some leadership and bridge the gap for a year or two until they can get a player they want in that position. Someone refresh my memory on Ed Reed. UFA? Man he would be great here for the next two years. Why aren't we pursuing someome like him?
Agree with you on Haden. I am probably his toughest critic.
Not sure about Goldson. I'm always a little leery of players who play for a great defense where every player seems great. In SF, I think the sum of the parts is the key and many of the guys that leave that D won't experience the same success.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Quote: ...there are going to be plenty of times the pressure won't get there. Our secondary is a huge weakness.
As RAC would say, with his then current roster, when asked why he didn't blitz more often, "If you rush the quarterback you'd better get him." I agree. If you are attacking up front then you'd better have someone in the backfield to cover when you don't get there.
We have one CB and one SS. That's it. I'd have surely expected a CB by now but Banner is a shrewd business man and negotiator. But while he is being patient I am freaking out. On the other hand, this is not his first rodeo. Although I want the FO to jump on one of these final CB's it looks like they're being patient through having a working knowledge of how these things play out.
Perhaps we'll get a starting CB after all and at a price that is team friendly.
FS is what bothers me as I'm not familiar with those still available nor with our ability to land a good one in FA.
Quote: One thing that is kind of bothering me is the age thing. I understand wanting to get and stay young. But its not a sin to sign a couple of thirty-somethings to bring some leadership and bridge the gap for a year or two until they can get a player they want in that position.
Totally agree. Ed Reed would be a great addition for 2 years. The same thing with Boldin. He was traded for a 6th round pick?!? Now I realize the Ravens wouldn't have given him up for that to a division rival but would sweetening the pot a little have hurt us that badly? I don't think so.
I have to think that the FO is pursuing a FA CB. But if they aren't or are waiting until the draft surely they see the need.
So far what the FO has done is restoring a little of the faith I lost when they put Lombardi in as GM. What would really be interesting would be if we could be a fly on the wall when they are making the decisions on who to pursue. We need Haslam's film crews in there...
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
It is clear what the FO consider's important with FAs. They will NOT sign anyone 30 and over regardless of their abilities and they are looking for value.
What I question is how they can consider 8 million a year for a situational pass rusher who came off the bench and only performed well because of an all-star LB corps playing around him a good value?
The feeling in Baltimore is that he was a good guy but nowhere NEAR the money we payed him. If this guy doesn't elevate his game to become an everydown OLB, this will turn out bad. I can very easily see him here for 2 years and released.
That's not a value guy. Des Bryant certainly is.
Why in the holy mother of everything holy have we not signed a CB yet?
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