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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title. If the Browns were closer to being a contender, we probably would have paid less. Players want one of 2 things or combination of the two.: a)Money b) a shot at winning a Super Bowl.
My point is, had the Browns not signed Kruger, the Browns would have signed Dumervil because the money they would have offered him is far greater than what the Ravens gave him...
If the Browns didn't sign Kruger, this place would have exploded in a cloud of hatred and doom calling for both Lombardi and Joey Banana's heads. We HAD to sign him - or Avril or Ellerbee. For whatever reason, they liked Kruger out of the three.
We would have been absolutely freaking out if the browns didn't sign someone hoping that some idiot agent would screw up so royally and expose the best FA OLB out of nowhere.
I'm pissed at how it all ended up, but the FO did nothing wrong.
The curse continues.
I'm beating a dead horse here, but the Browns should have focused their early-day FA efforts on signing a CB since they were below market-value. They always could have gotten a pass rusher through the draft (there's quite a few of them available at #6) if Dumervil hadn't suffered his contract snafu.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title....
Not with that defense.
This Ratbird team isn't going to be anywhere as good as they were last year. You watch.
I would agree, for the most part. They will be a vastly different team. They have lost their most reliable receiver. They have lost 2/3 of their starting defense. They did add Dumervil, and he's a big add, but he is just one player, and has had injuries to the extent that he got a guarantee if he is injured built into his new deal.
I don't look forward to playing against a defense with Dumervil on one side, and Suggs on the other ...... but Suggs still has to finish his recovery, and show that he can be the player he used to be. He played 8 games last year, and had 22 tackles and only 2 sacks. That's not his norm. If he doesn't come all the way back, then Dumervil is more of a replacement than an augmentation. Suggs also tore a bicep in the final regular season game.
The Ravens "leftover" LB corps, before Dumervil's signing, had 5.5 sacks last year.They had to go try and find someone to help them there. Dumervil is a HUGE find. He's going to definitely be a huge help for the Ravens. He did have 11 sacks and 6 forced fumbles last year. he did also play across from Von Miller, who racked up 18.5 sacks last year. I do think that Suggs is no longer in a league anywhere near a Von Miller. He has put in 10 years of hard labor in the NFL. He has a lot of mileage on his body. Maybe he comes back 100% .... but if he doesn't, then Dumervil will have to carry much of the load himself.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how everything works out there. The Ravens have great coaching, so I expect that they will adjust better than many expect. However, I do think that they will suffer defensively. They have lost 2 of their vocal defensive leaders in Lewis and Reed. That will be hard to replace. Their LB corps has been decimated. Now they have added a piece.
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Denver knows Dumerville better than anyone. If they thought that he was all that then he would not have been the player they asked to take a pay cut. They didn't ask him to restructure. They asked him to take a pay cut. And they were perfectly content with letting him go if he refused.
A lot guys make the same mistake many GM's make. They look at a player's name and what he did 2-3 years ago and assume that he will continue to do that in the future. And that gets GMs fired. Dumerville had a great season in 2009/2010 but just good seasons the past 2 years. He might have a good season this year but how many more will he have? Will he still be a dominant player in 2-3 years when we are competitive? Or will he be a salary cap succubus?
You guys say Kruger was only a part time player. Well that part-time Kruger had only 2 less regular season sacks than a full-time Dumerville. Then Kruger had 4.5 playoff sacks to Dumerville's 0.5
You say Kruger had Suggs drawing attention from him. I say Dumerville had Von Miller doing the same and had him for the full year.
Dumerville has peaked. Kruger is getting better.
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The Ravens are definitely going to be hurting a little if at least some of Flacco's Playoff magic doesn't rub off into his regular season play. It's not so much that Lewis, Reed, Pollard, Ellerbe, and Boldin are hard to replace individually (none of them are really that great at this point in their careers, other than Lewis, solely for leadership reasons), it's that replacing them all will be rather difficult in one season.
Ravens fans claim that the firing of Cam Cameron is the reason Flacco improved so much. We'll see if they're right. If they're not right, I see them as a team finishing around 9-7.
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Denver knows Dumerville better than anyone. If they thought that he was all that then he would not have been the player they asked to take a pay cut. They didn't ask him to restructure. They asked him to take a pay cut. And they were perfectly content with letting him go if he refused.
A lot guys make the same mistake many GM's make. They look at a player's name and what he did 2-3 years ago and assume that he will continue to do that in the future. And that gets GMs fired. Dumerville had a great season in 2009/2010 but just good seasons the past 2 years. He might have a good season this year but how many more will he have? Will he still be a dominant player in 2-3 years when we are competitive? Or will he be a salary cap succubus?
You guys say Kruger was only a part time player. Well that part-time Kruger had only 2 less regular season sacks than a full-time Dumerville. Then Kruger had 4.5 playoff sacks to Dumerville's 0.5
You say Kruger had Suggs drawing attention from him. I say Dumerville had Von Miller doing the same and had him for the full year.
Dumerville has peaked. Kruger is getting better.
Nobody's questioning Kruger's pass-rushing abilities. But he's a complete liability against the run and in coverage. That's why he was a situational player. I think he'll get his sacks with the Browns...at the expense of other facets of the defense.
Dumervil's not very good against the run or in coverage either, but he's still better than Kruger at these facets of the game as of last season. And others have alluded to, he was much better in a 3-4 WITHOUT Von Miller across from him. The scheme he's going to be playing in is a huge reason why some of us are worried that he's going to have a slight resurgence.
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They have a decent WR corps, but they will be worse off without Boldin.
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I just can't believe our front office didn't have the foresight to realize that Dumervil's agent would screw things up and therefore be available. We will probably never ever win another game and we suck and oh my God things couldn't be worse.
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I just can't believe our front office didn't have the foresight to realize that Dumervil's agent would screw things up and therefore be available. We will probably never ever win another game and we suck and oh my God things couldn't be worse.
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Sure, but why weren't we in it? We have more money to throw arounf then the Ravens...we spent around 5mil a year on a backup CB and 2 TEs...who of you would have traded Owens, Barnidge and Kellen freaking Davis for Dumervil? I know I would...we could even have shopped Sheard as there are numerous 43 teams still looking for a DE, we could have easily scored a 2nd for Sheard...what would you rather have? 5-6mil cap room and hoping Sheard pans out at OLB or Dumervil and his 17 sacks last time he played OLB and a 2nd round pick? Hmm...
People were all over Holmgren for not throwing a 4th and 5th top 50pick to the Rams to get RG3 but are ok that our new FO sat an their hands while allowing Dumervil to get into the AFC North for little money....at least up the price right? This is a very bad non move, sorry We got schooled by Ozzie....yet again. Different FO, same crap
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How do we know that they didn't make some sort of offer, only to be told that he wanted to sign with a Super Bowl contender?
Also, Haslam has said that he looks at next year as a building year. They expect to contend the year after. (assuming they get the QB right) Dumervil is 29, and has 7 hard years of labor on his body. How much longer does he go? Does he play this year knowing that it is more of a dress rehearsal for next year? How much money do you throw at him to agree to that? How much more in guarantees, and injury guarantees? (which he demanded in his contract) He is an excellent player ..... but what if he just plain did not want to come to Cleveland? There were reports that the Ravens may not have offered as much as the Broncos did. Further, there are also reports that one reason why Dumervil signed with the Ravens is because of his relationship with their LB coach. Further, most reports say that only 2 teams made an offer to Dumervil ...... the Ravens, and the Broncos. Is there a reason why? Is there an issue? Did he flat out tell some teams that he just wasn't going to consider them? Who knows?
We can't sign everyone ...... and just because we don't doesn't mean that we failed in free agency.
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People were all over Holmgren for not throwing a 4th and 5th top 50pick to the Rams to get RG3 but are ok that our new FO sat an their hands while allowing Dumervil to get into the AFC North for little money....at least up the price right? This is a very bad non move, sorry We got schooled by Ozzie....yet again. Different FO, same crap
LOL.....what nonsense. Of course, it all starts off w/your crying about how poor Holmgren was treated. Then, you bash our FO for allowing Dumervil to go to Baltimore. A "very bad non move...?" Man, your hatred has robbed you of common sense.
We didn't need Dumerville. We have Kruger. We will play Sheard on the the other side. Are you really trying to tell the board that the Browns need to acquire guys so other teams don't? That's a brilliant strategy. 
The Browns targeted Kruger as their number one guy. Most were saying he was going to get between $10 and 12 million a year. We paid a lot, but less than that. We got the guy we wanted. A guy who is really developing. It would have been extremely ignorant for the Browns to wait until Dumervil's agent screwed up. I mean---really. And it would have almost as dumb to sign Elvis just to keep him away from Baltimore. I can't believe you even said that.
And it kills me how many people are saying they would rather have Dumerville.
He is 29. Kruger is 27.
Elvis is 5'11" and 257 lbs. Kruger is 6'4" and 270 lbs.
Dumervile had 32 tackles last year. Kruger had 30.
Dumerville had 11 sacks last year. Kruger had 12.
Elvis had 0.5 sacks in the postseason. Kruger had 4.5.
No interceptions for Dumervil and 1 for Kruger.
All the same people who are complaining about us NOT getting Dumervil were complaining about Kruger because we didn't need an OLB and that he couldn't defend the pass. Can Dumervil? You guys won't get it through your heads that the OLBs are not asked to do too much in pass coverage. They will drop occasionally and cover the flat. Otherwise, they are told to get up the field and wreak havoc, which is exactly what Kruger did last year. He's younger, bigger, is coming off a better season, and has more upside than Dumervil. Great move by the Browns.
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Applying Banner's "30 and out" rule for signing veteran players, Dumerville at 29, was not about to be signed by Banner, the bean counter.
Now those teams that know what it takes to build a winning franchise, they have no problem going after a player of Dumerville's caliber. Ozzie Newsome is simply the best at evaluating and signing football players, regardless of their age.
Had Ozzie Newsome operated by Banner's 30 and out rule, the Ravens would have never won the Super Bowl.
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Some of you guys are killing me.
The very same people that hailed Kruger's signing as a great first move,are now saying it sucks because of Dumerville's agent screwing the pooch.
A little honesty is in order here.
The Browns were not going to get into the Elvis sweepstakes,and neither should they have.You can't build a team in today's NFL by investing a good portion of your salary cap into one position group.
The way it played out was just bad luck,not only for the Browns but for many other teams as well.It is what it is.
Move on and get a decent corner in here,then prepare for the draft.
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Its crazy how so many assume that every player we dont sign is because the FO dropped the ball. I bet more often its that players dont want to come here because we have sucked for so long and the organization has been a joke for over a decade.
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the Browns should have focused their early-day FA efforts on signing a CB since they were below market-value.
 Is that an Oxymoron? Is there such a thing as a Below-Market-Value in any early Day FA signing???
Yeah I know the Browns cannot do anything RIGHT...you guys are funny. Yet could have sworn coming into the FA Market our #1 NEED was a pass Rusher...but we should have known that Dummervilles agent would mess up the communication on this. 
What we don't know.
What Horton has in mind with his Defense in Hand picking what he wants not what he has inherited. Would he have gone for Kruger over Dumerville if both were out there?
Kruger was a little younger, little more heavier, a lot more in length, funny thing after we signed him all I read from some dawg was how Kruger wasn't good against the run...and yet the same guys are OH NO WE MESSED UP...Kruger is better against the Run than Dumerville.
What we don't know is what side is Dumerville going to play in Balt. Strongside, Weakside which is where he has been even though the smaller Miller went to the SAM side. Is Dumerville just going to come in on Passing Downs? Where will Suggs play? Strongside? Weakside? Are we going to see the Ravens Scramble n have Suggs play SOLB out of position Dumerville WOLB in a Running division n will not be facing LTs in a mile high atmosphere advantage. Moving Upshaw to take Ellerbe's ILB position?
Don't get me wrong...I was a little disappointed we didn't go for Dumerville - But in many cases we were eliminated from the get go. Condon his new agent of course being a GOOD FRIEND of the Browns 
But this everything that happens in the NFL is a great loss to the Browns - he is a very good pass rusher. We will see who will contribute more to their team Kruger or Dumerville. Everyone is saying he will have Suggs on the other side so he will be great...Is Suggs the same threat after his achilles tendon? but Sorry Von Miller was a freaking beast. Ravens are the reigning Champions n LOST A LOT...Dumerville is a very good signing for them but not enough to counter act the losses. I don't mind cause we got two good OTs to negate. Mistake for signing Kruger too early...ridiculous statement...just ridiculous. We should have offered heavy on the early CB??? Just what makes anyone think that we didn't???
But as usual...OH NO WE ARE DOOMED 
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Yeah I know the Browns cannot do anything RIGHT...you guys are funny.
But this everything that happens in the NFL is a great loss to the Browns
But as usual...OH NO WE ARE DOOMED
He's a Charger Fan. San Diego.
He's not predicting our demise. He's just offering his opinion, and from what I've seen his opinions are quite fair and impartial. And yes, occasionally those opinions don't match the front office's decisions.
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I know exactly who he is...actually I don't care too much of what he thinks regarding the Doom n Gloom comment I am referring to fellow Browns fans. I know I got to get use to hitting a reply on somebody n as I write my Novellas note that it was not ALL referred to the hit reply poster. 
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I now realize that this front office is useless. When making those early free agent decisions, they did not take into account this completely unpredictable, unexpected event that was to occur just two weeks in the future. All they did was focus in on their primary target in a position of need.
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I agree with you on the CB. Below-market and early-signing don't mix. And, for whatever reason, our FO didn't like this crop of CBs as it is still a need and we haven't really addressed CB2, but that's a different thread.
on Dumervill, I think the issue here is that we were all hoping the Ravens pass rush was going to take a huge step back next year with all the losses. Dumvervil gives them part of that component right back. ILB is easier to replace though they still have 2 huge gaping holes there from Ray Lewis and Ellerbe.
we'll see how they reload, but they were 100miles ahead of us, dropped back to within squinting sight, and just pulled out of sight again. We'll see if we can run them down yet.
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I have said it before I'll say it again... I hated the Kruger signing. I thought it was very similar to signing a Matt Cassel/ Matt Flynn type. Both were back up type players that have about the same amount of starts as Jabaal Sheard. The major difference is that WE hope that they will transform into starters on our team. The sad part is we gave up so much cashola for backups on another team.
Most viewed Kruger as a tier 2 type of player and Des... was the same type of player.
This is why I'm not happy with the FO besides the whole swapping of the 3/4 vs 4/3.
Before someone has an aneurism over these comments...
I am a Browns fan, I will watch them, and I will cheer for them. I'm not afraid to say that I'm wrong. I hope and I would rather be wrong about these signings. I would love to eat a big ole plate of crow. these are just my opinions and I don't work in a FO. I'm just a fan.
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I'm quite certain that we did our "homework" on Kruger before offering him a contract. I would expect (and hope) that in addition to Banner (and Lombardi?), that both the coaches and pro scouts were involved, perhaps not in the decision, but at least in the evaluation of need/performance/potential relative to our latest rendition of the 3-4 defence.
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I now realize that this front office is useless. When making those early free agent decisions, they did not take into account this completely unpredictable, unexpected event that was to occur just two weeks in the future. All they did was focus in on their primary target in a position of need.
Completely agree. Not sure where the anger in not signing Dumervil is coming from. NO TEAM saw this coming down the pipe line.
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I now realize that this front office is useless. When making those early free agent decisions, they did not take into account this completely unpredictable, unexpected event that was to occur just two weeks in the future. All they did was focus in on their primary target in a position of need.
Completely agree. Not sure where the anger in not signing Dumervil is coming from. NO TEAM saw this coming down the pipe line.
Least of all...the Broncos. 
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I now realize that this front office is useless. When making those early free agent decisions, they did not take into account this completely unpredictable, unexpected event that was to occur just two weeks in the future. All they did was focus in on their primary target in a position of need.
Completely agree. Not sure where the anger in not signing Dumervil is coming from. NO TEAM saw this coming down the pipe line.
Well, it seems like quite a few people on this board saw it coming. Maybe we should ask them about next weeks lottery numbers.
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I now realize that this front office is useless. When making those early free agent decisions, they did not take into account this completely unpredictable, unexpected event that was to occur just two weeks in the future. All they did was focus in on their primary target in a position of need.
Completely agree. Not sure where the anger in not signing Dumervil is coming from. NO TEAM saw this coming down the pipe line.
Well, it seems like quite a few people on this board saw it coming. Maybe we should ask them about next weeks lottery numbers.
Sign me up for those numbers. I could use some extra cash.
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I'm pretty sure nobody here thinks the Browns FO is incompetent because they didn't foresee Dumervil's agent screwing up. That would be stupid.
Some people here are just upset because of the circumstances. It sucks to pay more for a fairly unproven situational player than a guy who's had seventeen sacks in a 3-4 two years ago and may be a little better in run support and coverage. Especially when your divisional rival is the one who signed the latter player.
And in my case, I'm a little disappointed because I didn't want the Browns to sign Kruger in the first place. Like I've written before, there were multiple CBs who were supposed to go for $7-8 million and only went for $5 million. Being the Browns lack a CB2, I would have preferred they picked one of those guys up. And again, there are plenty of pass rushers worthy of being picked at #6, and only one CB. Those aren't ideal circumstances IMO. But this is beating a dead horse. I'm not going to mention this anymore because I'm sure people are getting sick of it, just like I am.
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just clicking.....
Who cares if the Rat-Turds get Elvis Dumervil? Joe Thomas will just knock him flat on his back.
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hard to get your point of view when you use two QBs as a reference. QBs are the hardest position to evaluate.
Kruger btw is a 2nd round pick of Ozzie's - why is it viewed as a vast over achievement ergo just a one hit wonder type of thing. Than a guy reaching his potential as a 2nd round pick??? We know why Ozzie let him go. They were right at the Cap Line after signing Flacco. They had invested in Upshaw who was going to be much cheaper. They wanted to sign Ed Reed n Ellerbe if they could. Cause they had no invested youth ready to play...so Ozzie let Kruger walk. Not cause he sucked n he pulled one over on us.
Its not a hard position to evaluate...he made great strides with his opportunities last season. We won't be asking much different of what was asked of him last season. But it is always assumed this is the Browns ergo it just cannot be.
sorry don't mean to pop the eyeore balloon.
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Who cares if the Rat-Turds get Elvis Dumervil? Joe Thomas will just knock him flat on his back.
Point made right there... Big Joe has shut out many elite rushers, Dumervil will just be another one to add to Joe's kill list.
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Who cares if the Rat-Turds get Elvis Dumervil? Joe Thomas will just knock him flat on his back.
Point made right there... Big Joe has shut out many elite rushers, Dumervil will just be another one to add to Joe's kill list.
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Had Ozzie Newsome operated by Banner's 30 and out rule, the Ravens would have never won the Super Bowl.
What over 30 free agents has Ozzie brought to the Ravens from other teams?
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Had Ozzie Newsome operated by Banner's 30 and out rule, the Ravens would have never won the Super Bowl.
What over 30 free agents has Ozzie brought to the Ravens from other teams?
He's saying they would of cut guys like Lewis and Reed years ago.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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But that isn't what these guys are doing. They are not cutting good players on our team because they are over 30. They are just not signing older guys because they don't want to spend a lot of money on guys who will be over the hill and doing nothing but waste cap space when we are finally about to be competitive, while in the meantime taking playing time from the younger players stunting their development.
As for your Lewis and Reed comment. A couple years ago Ozzie let Lewis hit the FA market and was ready to let him go but no other team made him a big money offer so he resigned. This year he let's Reed go. Reed is only 34
Again I ask, who over 30 has Ozzie brought in from another team?
I will add, who over 30 have we cut that you feel we should have kept?
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That Guy is on your side. We are all a bit edgy right now because of all the nonsensical hatred that so many posters have for the new regime right now.
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ThisGuy!  But the fact that we have "sides" when were all on the same team is sad...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I didn't think that I was arguing with Thatguy or Thisguy. I thought I was still arguing against DJ's point.
Ozzie has done extremely well drafting but he hasn't signed a bunch of free agents let alone free agents over 30 who have had a significant impact.
Not sure how that came across as being edgy. I was just trying to explain my point.
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I just can't believe our front office didn't have the foresight to realize that Dumervil's agent would screw things up and therefore be available. We will probably never ever win another game and we suck and oh my God things couldn't be worse.
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Sure, but why weren't we in it? We have more money to throw arounf then the Ravens...we spent around 5mil a year on a backup CB and 2 TEs...who of you would have traded Owens, Barnidge and Kellen freaking Davis for Dumervil? I know I would...we could even have shopped Sheard as there are numerous 43 teams still looking for a DE, we could have easily scored a 2nd for Sheard...what would you rather have? 5-6mil cap room and hoping Sheard pans out at OLB or Dumervil and his 17 sacks last time he played OLB and a 2nd round pick? Hmm...
People were all over Holmgren for not throwing a 4th and 5th top 50pick to the Rams to get RG3 but are ok that our new FO sat an their hands while allowing Dumervil to get into the AFC North for little money....at least up the price right? This is a very bad non move, sorry We got schooled by Ozzie....yet again. Different FO, same crap
Who is to say Elvis wanted to play for the Browns to begin with? Let's assume we did get him. It would have NOT been at the price the Ravens got him for. The Ravens are still closer to being in the playoffs than what we appear to be. Of course, next year things might be completely different and the Browns could go 16-0 while the Ravens go 2-14, but if you are a player and looking at teams, you are more likely going to sign for less with a playoff contender than a team that most think will not get close to sniffing the playoffs unless all you care about is the money. Of course, the Browns could have sign Dumervill and then people will just complain about how much we overpaid.
For the record, I was fine with not trading up with the Rams for RGiii.
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