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http://news.yahoo.com/north-koreas-military-threatens-u-bases-within-target-021350990.html SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said it would attack U.S. military bases on Japan and the Pacific island of Guam if provoked, a day after leader Kim Jong-un oversaw a mock drone strike on South Korea. The North also held an air raid drill on Thursday after accusing the United States of preparing a military strike using bombers that have overflown the Korean peninsula as part of drills between South Korean and U.S. forces. North Korea has stepped up its rhetoric in response to what it calls "hostile" drills between South Korea and the United States. It has also been angered by the imposition of fresh U.N. sanctions that followed its February 12 nuclear test. Separately, South Korea said a hacking attack on the servers of local broadcasters and banks on Wednesday originated from an IP address in China, raising suspicions the intrusion came from North Korea. "The United States is advised not to forget that our precision target tools have within their range the Anderson Air Force base on Guam where the B-52 takes off, as well as the Japanese mainland where nuclear powered submarines are deployed and the navy bases on Okinawa," the North's supreme military command spokesman was quoted as saying by the KCNA news agency. Japan and U.S. Pacific bases are in range of Pyongyang's medium-range missiles. It is not known if North Korea possesses drones, although a report on South Korea's Yonhap news agency last year said it had obtained 1970s-era U.S. target drones from Syria to develop into attack drones. "The (drone) planes were assigned the flight route and time with the targets in South Korea in mind, Kim Jong-un said, adding with great satisfaction that they were proved to be able to mount (a) super-precision attack on any enemy targets," KCNA reported. It is extremely rare for KCNA to specify the day on which Kim attended a drill. It also said a rocket defense unit had successfully shot down a target that mimicked an "enemy" Tomahawk cruise missile. North Korea has said it has abrogated an armistice that ended the 1950-53 Korean War and threatened a nuclear attack on the United States. Although North Korea lacks the technology to carry out such an attack, Washington said it would deploy more anti-missile batteries in Alaska to counter any threat. PYONGYANG HAS HACKED SOUTH KOREA BEFORE The hacking attack brought down the servers of South Korean broadcasters YTN, MBC and KBS as well as two major commercial banks, Shinhan Bank and NongHyup Bank. South Korean communications regulators said the attack originated from an IP address based in China. An unnamed official from South Korea's presidential office was quoted by the Yonhap news agency as saying the discovery of the Chinese IP address indicated Pyongyang was responsible. Investigations of past hacking incidents on South Korean organizations have been traced to Pyongyang's large army of computer engineers trained to infiltrate the South's computer networks. At least one previous attack was traced to a Chinese IP address. South Korea's defense ministry said it was too early to blame the North but said such a cyber capability was a key part of its arsenal. Experts say thousands of North Korean engineers may have been recruited for the purpose. "Throughout the world, states that create cyber warfare and engage in those types of activities are precisely the same countries that develop nuclear weapons," Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said. "North Korea has strongly stepped up development of asymmetrical strategy with nuclear development and many types of ballistic missiles as well as a special forces of 200,000 strong." (Additional reporting by Ju-min Park. Editing by Dean Yates)
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Do we still send their military food? I say military, because apparently with all the starvation in that country, the people don't get the food.
Let's see, within just the past few weeks, haven't they tested a nuke? Haven't they threatened pre-emptive nuke strikes against us? And now they threaten our bases?
Ignoring them isn't doing much, as their bravado seems to be escalating. Perhaps if the u.s. would quit sending food and fuel...........yes, I know, then we'd get blamed for the deaths from starvation.
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Ignoring them isn't doing much, as their bravado seems to be escalating.
Ignoring them isn't supposed to "do" anything.
Let them puff out their chests until they're blue in the face... who cares?
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Ignoring them isn't doing much, as their bravado seems to be escalating.
Ignoring them isn't supposed to "do" anything.
Let them puff out their chests until they're blue in the face... who cares?
I agree. Let them talk all they want. They're just flexing week old muscles. If they make a move, wipe them off the map.
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I'm not aware of who sends support to NK, but I would think they are aware of losing everything if they do what they boast of doing.
Apparently there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to conclude they've hacked SK's computers and I'm pretty sure there's equal evidence that NK's computer have been hacked as well.
What I don't want our country to get involved in is yet another unilateral attack on a puny country that ends up costing us more than it does making the world safer.
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Can't find it now, but I read yesterday that south korea traced the hack back to china.
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You are correct. It was a Chinese IP address...but it doesn't totally rule out DPRK.
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I'm not aware of who sends support to NK, but I would think they are aware of losing everything if they do what they boast of doing.
Apparently there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to conclude they've hacked SK's computers and I'm pretty sure there's equal evidence that NK's computer have been hacked as well.
What I don't want our country to get involved in is yet another unilateral attack on a puny country that ends up costing us more than it does making the world safer.
I very HIGHLY doubt we comed to a prolonged armed conflict, let alone a full scale invasion, with North Korea.
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I'm not aware of who sends support to NK, but I would think they are aware of losing everything if they do what they boast of doing.
Apparently there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to conclude they've hacked SK's computers and I'm pretty sure there's equal evidence that NK's computer have been hacked as well.
What I don't want our country to get involved in is yet another unilateral attack on a puny country that ends up costing us more than it does making the world safer.
I very HIGHLY doubt we comed to a prolonged armed conflict, let alone a full scale invasion, with North Korea.
Couple of things: Aid to N.K. we supply them with food and fuel, but I am pretty certain China is the biggest aid source, followed by russia, then the u.s. I might be wrong.
It's a tangled web.......we won't attack NK first. But if they attack SK, or our military bases, there will probably be a phone call made to china saying "that's it. They hit us." And china will be in a spot. China needs u.s. consumers......china spends a lot of money helping lil kim........would china say "got it, have at it"? Or would china say "hold on, we'll take care of it."?
China needs us for their economy. China likes NK for the socialism.......and we don't want to start a war with china.
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Couple of things: Aid to N.K. we supply them with food and fuel, but I am pretty certain China is the biggest aid source, followed by russia, then the u.s. I might be wrong.
It's a tangled web.......we won't attack NK first. But if they attack SK, or our military bases, there will probably be a phone call made to china saying "that's it. They hit us." And china will be in a spot. China needs u.s. consumers......china spends a lot of money helping lil kim........would china say "got it, have at it"? Or would china say "hold on, we'll take care of it."?
China needs us for their economy. China likes NK for the socialism.......and we don't want to start a war with china.
I pretty much agree with everything.
The worlds economy can cause problems, but it also creates reasons to avoid conflict.
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Excellent questions. I work on the guns side rather than the butter side so I won't even pretend to know what kind of aid we send NK.
I first don't think NK would do anything stupid enough to justify an invasion on their extremely Machiavelian, brainwashed, isolated society. They always strike me as the mischievous child that will push as far as they can before they know they will get spanked.
That being said, if they were stupid enough to attack US bases over there, I imagine we would retaliate through mostly air and missile assault, but I'm not a battle theater strategist.
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China wouldn't do anything. they need us just like we need them.
NK would simply get slaughtered. they still train their soldiers on vietnam style battle techniques.
there is no front line in combat anymore. drones and airstrikes would destroy their military before soldiers even crossed the DMZ.
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NK would simply get slaughtered. they still train their soldiers on vietnam style battle techniques.
there is no front line in combat anymore. drones and airstrikes would destroy their military before soldiers even crossed the DMZ.
China would definitely do something. What that something is I don't know.
North Korea definitely would not prevail in an armed conflict, but I don't think defeating them would be simple.
Also, I'm curious, what armed UAVs do you think we have that could avoid being shot down by the NK military?
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NK would simply get slaughtered. they still train their soldiers on vietnam style battle techniques.
there is no front line in combat anymore. drones and airstrikes would destroy their military before soldiers even crossed the DMZ.
China would definitely do something. What that something is I don't know.
North Korea definitely would not prevail in an armed conflict, but I don't think defeating them would be simple.
Also, I'm curious, what armed UAVs do you think we have that could avoid being shot down by the NK military?
Everything from paper airplanes to all of our drones.
And depending upon the resources in-theater at the onset of hostilities, it'd be a slaughter of them.
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And considering the contingent that the 7th Fleet currently has there, it would be over exceptionally quick in my opinion.
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Agreed. I would say that NK's military is less advanced than Saddam's was in '91, or, at best, on par with it.
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I would definitely agree with that assessment. And given the propensity of their projectiles to suffer from premature explosion disorder, I don't fear them as much as they think we do.
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Without quoting everything to your original response. I disagree. We only fly armed UAVs in areas where we have already established complete aerial superiority since they are exceptionally vulnerable to attack.
Now, if we established that air superiority from the get-go, the MQ-1's and 9's would be able to come into play. In terms of thinking about logistics though. We most likely don't have any MQ-1's or 9's in the area and I doubt we would before NK would reach the DMZ.
That being said, yes I agree we would prevail, much more easily if we initiate attacks from a proximate, friendly territory, but I find UAV usage from the onset to be a bit far from practical. Hell, our armed UAVs could be shot down by a P-51, but, yes, they are very effective when utilized in a situation where aerial superiority has been established.
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This from IISS .
North Korean doctrine, military readiness and morale are also key factors in determining actual military performance. Employing highly inflexible Soviet-style military doctrine, North Korea emphasises high-ranking decision-makers and scripted war plans – neither of which encourage operational flexibility nor initiative. It is doubtful, therefore, that North Korea possesses a strong mid-level officer corps. Pyongyang has attempted to raise training levels and readiness in recent years, but fuel and other shortages have significantly limited its ability to conduct large-scale combined-arms training exercises, such as those practised by US and South Korean forces. Fuel shortages have especially limited air force training: pilot training – according to anecdotal evidence – is limited to a handful of flying hours every year, because available aviation fuel needs to be conserved for actual military contingencies.
Nonetheless, despite shortages of spare parts, fuel and training time, North Korea’s conventional capabilities pose a significant threat to allied forces and South Korea’s population. For example, North Korea’s artillery capability does not require sophisticated tactics nor modes of operation to pose a threat to Seoul. In any conflict, North Korean artillery, firing from fortified positions near the DMZ, could initially deliver a heavy bombardment on the South Korean capital. Allied counter-battery fire and air strikes would eventually reduce North Korea’s artillery capability, but not before significant damage and high casualties had been inflicted on Seoul. Similarly, the North Korean air force could launch surprise attacks against military and civilian targets throughout South Korea before allied air superiority was established. The potential delivery of chemical or biological weapons by artillery, short-range missiles and aerial bombs is an additional threat – especially to unprotected civilians.
It isn't that they think they could win a conventional war but more likely what devastation they could cause upon the entire peninsula . IMHO they are saber rattling as they always do but they are still very dangerous .
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North Korean doctrine, military readiness and morale are also key factors in determining actual military performance. Employing highly inflexible Soviet-style military doctrine, North Korea emphasises high-ranking decision-makers and scripted war plans – neither of which encourage operational flexibility nor initiative. It is doubtful, therefore, that North Korea possesses a strong mid-level officer corps. Pyongyang has attempted to raise training levels and readiness in recent years, but fuel and other shortages have significantly limited its ability to conduct large-scale combined-arms training exercises, such as those practised by US and South Korean forces. Fuel shortages have especially limited air force training: pilot training – according to anecdotal evidence – is limited to a handful of flying hours every year, because available aviation fuel needs to be conserved for actual military contingencies.
Nonetheless, despite shortages of spare parts, fuel and training time, North Korea’s conventional capabilities pose a significant threat to allied forces and South Korea’s population. For example, North Korea’s artillery capability does not require sophisticated tactics nor modes of operation to pose a threat to Seoul. In any conflict, North Korean artillery, firing from fortified positions near the DMZ, could initially deliver a heavy bombardment on the South Korean capital. Allied counter-battery fire and air strikes would eventually reduce North Korea’s artillery capability, but not before significant damage and high casualties had been inflicted on Seoul. Similarly, the North Korean air force could launch surprise attacks against military and civilian targets throughout South Korea before allied air superiority was established. The potential delivery of chemical or biological weapons by artillery, short-range missiles and aerial bombs is an additional threat – especially to unprotected civilians.
It isn't that they think they could win a conventional war but more likely what devastation they could cause upon the entire peninsula . IMHO they are saber rattling as they always do but they are still very dangerous .
The highlighted part needs to be interpreted as "as much damage as they might be able to cause within a 12-24 hour window".
Counter-battery fire and air power would destroy much of their artillery within hours. We would have air superiority within two hours of the leashes being taken off.
As for Drones... yes, in the initial stages of a conflict, they'd be near useless. That sort of thing isn't their role. Within two days of the conflict beginning, however, drones would be able to patrol seeking out remnant artillery and AA batteries.
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It is a fun game to play this estimation of who could do what to whom but lets face it , there will never be a shooting war for a variety of reasons not the least of which is that NK wants to continue to be a habitable country ( they wouldn't be after the fireworks ended ). China would NEVER repeat NEVER let that happen and say what you want but that is one shootin match we want no part of .
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Fine... rain on my parade, why dontcha!??!! ::pouts:: 
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I've been a Civ addict for well over a decade or more. I love that franchise! And Civ 5 is definite WIN!
Back to the discussion on NK though, we would only have to think about China's response if NK decided to go with traditional artillery bombardment. If they let go of a CBRNE, China would not have any stance in the battle and would let us deal with them like the child they are.
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I've lost days of my life to it already, lol!
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By Courtney Kube and Ian Johnston, NBC News North Korea put its rocket units on standby Friday to attack U.S. military bases in South Korea and the Pacific, after repeated threats and one day after two American stealth bombers flew over the Korean Peninsula in a military exercise. A U.S. official warned that the isolated communist state is “not a paper tiger” and its reaction should not be dismissed as “pure bluster.” According to the North Korea's official KCNA news agency, the country's leader Kim Jong Un “judged the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation” at a midnight meeting of top generals, Reuters reported. The latest threat comes one day after two nuclear-capable stealth bombers flew from Missouri to drop inert munitions on a range in South Korea as part of a major military exercise. Kim Jong Un, seen at what was described as an urgent meeting overnight, has ordered his rocket forces to be on standby to strike U.S. and South Korean targets at any time. The U.S. official emphasized the danger posed by North Korea’s military and the unpredictable nature of its 30-year-old leader. “North Korea is not a paper tiger so it wouldn't be smart to dismiss its provocative behavior as pure bluster. What's not clear right now is how much risk Kim Jong Un is willing to run to show the world and domestic elites that he's a tough guy,” said the official, who asked not to be named. “His inexperience is certain -- his wisdom is still very much in question.” There was a mass demonstration in support of Kim involving tens of thousands of people in the main square of North Korean capital Pyongyang Friday, The Associated Press reported. Placards read "Let's crush the puppet traitor group" and "Let's rip the puppet traitors to death!" 'War for national liberation' The state-controlled KCNA also published an article that said the “opportunity for peacefully settling the DPRK-U.S. relations is no longer available as the U.S. opted for staking its fate. Consequently, there remains only the settlement of accounts by a physical means.” DPRK stands for Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the North's official name. “A battle to be fought by the DPRK against the U.S. will become a war for national liberation to defend the sovereignty and dignity of the country and, at the same time, a revolutionary war to defend the human cause of independence and the justice of the international community,” the article by “news analyst” Minju Joson said. South Korea’s Yonhap news agency quoted a South Korean military official as saying that there had been “increased movement of vehicles and forces” at missile launch sites in the North. “We are closely watching possibilities of missile launches,” the unnamed official said. North Korea routinely issues hostile statements but analysts have noted recent remarks have become more belligerent. In December, the North carried out a long-range rocket test and then detonated a nuclear bomb in a test earlier this year. North Korea's young leader Kim Jong-un has issued almost daily threats, including the threat of nuclear strikes on Washington, D.C., and Seoul. In addition, Pyongyang has put its troops on combat readiness, warning that war "may break out at any moment." NBC's Ian Williams reports. At a daily news briefing Friday, China’s Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hong Lei said China was calling for an easing of tensions. But some fear the situation could be getting out of control. "It seems that Kim Jong Un is in the driving seat of a train that has been taken on a joyride," Lee Min-yong, an expert on North Korea at Sookmyung Women's University in Seoul, told Reuters. Russia, meanwhile, appeared to criticize the U.S. over Thursday's bomber mission. "We are concerned that alongside the adequate, collective reaction of the U.N. Security Council, unilateral action is being taken around North Korea that is increasing military activity," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters in Moscow, according to Reuters. "The situation could simply get out of control; it is slipping toward the spiral of a vicious cycle," he said. Reuters contributed to this report. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...aper-tiger?lite
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May as well update this: link Pentagon sends missile defences to Guam as North Korea 'approves nuclear attack on US'The Pentagon has announced that it is sending an advanced ballistic missile defence system to Guam, as North Korea ramped up its bellicose rhetoric with the announcement that it has given final approval for a nuclear attack on the US. There's a lot more article at the link, but it's too broken up to try to post it. In a nutshell, the nuts have cracked their shell. This whole thing is starting to kinda feel a little real.
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Dad kim, and grandpa kim, got "stuff" for threatening. Lil kim is now following in their footsteps...............but he might be making a huge mistake. China is trying to settle him down. The U.N. has made statements about the "threats" (n.k. and the u.s.)
Problem is, lil kim keeps pushing, and the u.s. is responding as they should have decades ago.
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I agree. Time to stop folding and actually call. China being worried is a good sign IMO.
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I'd just like to chime in with a different viewpoint here: From what I know of this situation, this "menacing action" from NK is more about Kim Jong-un than it is about the US. He was never expected to be the leader (it was supposed to be his brother until the brother fell out of favor). He was educated in Switzerland and was never seen nearly in the same light as his father or his grandfather.
The reason I bring this up is simple: This is Kim Jong-un's attempt at consolidating power. There is no way the old guard - meaning the military have any semblance of respect for this 30 year old, European educated 2nd choice leader - and I don't think he's really calling the shots. I think the military is in charge and he is trying to unite NK behind the war-mongering battle cry.
Keep in mind there was an assassination attempt on KJU 6 months ago IN NORTH KOREA BY NORTH KOREANS. That should be shocking to most in a country as brainwashed as they are.
I don't think seeing this as a power consolidation move is wrong, and I don't think viewing it from that point makes it any dangerous. If he feels that he is not in control or that his power is slipping, I think he will push it as close to the limit - and beyond - if it means he gets to keep power.
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How long do you let the thorn dig into your side before you rip it out? Honestly we should have stepped in a long time ago if nothing else for humanitarian reasons.
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How long do you let the thorn dig into your side before you rip it out? Honestly we should have stepped in a long time ago if nothing else for humanitarian reasons.
I am at the point of hoping we do something, with a swift show of force. I saw yesterday where we flew two stealth bombers from KC, I think, and dropped 2 dummy bombs in South Korea less than 50 miles from NK. John Stewart made me LMAO when he said " for lunch (bleeped out word), that's what we do for lunch!!"
I say we should fly over and hit the nuke plant. They claim they are reopening it to produce electricity, yet is turns out this plant isn't even connected to their power grid.
I hate to see innocent North Koreans lose their lives, but if we let this idiot run rampant many,many more could lose theirs.
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Just have a drone drop some bags full of cow manure on that little goofball dressed in the Dr Evil suit. 
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I'd just like to chime in with a different viewpoint here: From what I know of this situation, this "menacing action" from NK is more about Kim Jong-un than it is about the US. He was never expected to be the leader (it was supposed to be his brother until the brother fell out of favor). He was educated in Switzerland and was never seen nearly in the same light as his father or his grandfather.
The reason I bring this up is simple: This is Kim Jong-un's attempt at consolidating power. There is no way the old guard - meaning the military have any semblance of respect for this 30 year old, European educated 2nd choice leader - and I don't think he's really calling the shots. I think the military is in charge and he is trying to unite NK behind the war-mongering battle cry.
Keep in mind there was an assassination attempt on KJU 6 months ago IN NORTH KOREA BY NORTH KOREANS. That should be shocking to most in a country as brainwashed as they are.
I don't think seeing this as a power consolidation move is wrong, and I don't think viewing it from that point makes it any dangerous. If he feels that he is not in control or that his power is slipping, I think he will push it as close to the limit - and beyond - if it means he gets to keep power.
I didn't hear about the assassination attempt (send me a link if you have one because I'd like to read it), but I believe you're right on his consolidation to power. Actually, I just recently read an article which basically stated his aunt and uncle are actually the ones pulling the puppet strings.
He's playing a dangerous game though because he's using SK and us as the focal point to consolidate his power, so he's going to have to put up or shut up if we call his bluff, which I hope we keep doing. My guess is he really hopes we cave to enter negotiations in order to build his credibility...and I hope like hell we don't give an inch.
Kingodawg ~ NK just moved a medium to long range missile to their east coast, so that, IMHO, would probably be a good place to strike if any. There are legitimate self-defense reasons behind it and there wouldn't be much of a land incursion. Perhaps someone like Purp who knows more about these types of things could chime in.
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There are several different situations that could play out.
If we are under the assumption this is all huff and bluff on nk's part in order to get "treats", i.e. food and fuel..........we shouldn't give in. They should get no food or fuel from us. All our contributions do is help their military anyway. Let Russia and China (which I think are the 2 largest suppliers of food and fuel, with the u.s. being the 3rd - I think - let Russia and China take up the slack for our contributions.
OR, we can treat it as a legitimate threat, which we appear to be doing. Treat it as such, knowing the world knows of the threat as well. In other words, reply to each new threat in accordance to the level it deserves.
We could go to the U.N. - and get nothing but slaps on the wrist, if even that, for nk, and also would result in more food, fuel, and money for nk.
Or, we tackle the rhetoric from nk head on and launch pre-emptive attacks on them. They've threatened us with p.e. attacks - so let's see them put their money where their mouth is.
OR, we ignore the situation altogether. No response, no replies, nothing.
For the sake of length, suffice it to say: I see benefits from any of these scenarios, and I also see downside to each of them. There may be good from acting in one manner, there may be bad.
The worst situation would be nk starts bombing, or we start bombing. It's a touchy situation...........ignore? Respect the threats? Pre-emptively remove the threats?
We can't afford another war. We don't want Russia or China involved if there is war. We don't want our bases bombed, or s.k. bombed, or japan bombed. And NO ONE wants nukes fired.
Actually, the threat of nukes by n.k. SHOULD be enough to get China and Russia heavily involved in preventing anything.
China doesn't want or need more refugees from n.k.......they don't want the u.s. to stop buying their products (as sucky as they are).
It's just a tough situation all around, and I feel like lil kim is the one pushing it.
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Report: U.S. backing off shows of force against North Korea for fear of what Kim might do (O Blinks) Hotair ^ | 04/04/2013 | This isn't merely a failure of nerve, it's a failure of intelligence and a failure to keep operational secrets. The White House had a "playbook," agreed to by O, Hagel, and John Kerry, on how to rattle its saber at North Korea during the next crisis without rattling it so much that NK would get spooked and do something rash. E.g., first comes some B-52 flights over South Korea, then the B-2s make a cameo, then the F-22s, and so forth. Problem one: Kim's gone further in his bellicosity than U.S. analysts expected and now they’re unsure if they know where his personal red line is. Problem two: The deployment of two destroyers last weekend to the Pacific wasn’t part of the “playbook” and wasn’t supposed to be publicized. That was a bona fide strategic move, not a show of muscle-flexing designed for North Korean and international consumption. But then the news leaked and the Navy confirmed it, which turned the deployment into an inadvertent, potentially war-sparking audible. One screw-up on top of another, so now it’s time to cool things off before someone gets nuked. Officials said publicizing the destroyers risked ratcheting up tensions with the North more than the White House had intended. Likewise, they said, White House officials became upset because the disclosure wasn’t in keeping with the orchestrated rollout it had sought to control. The White House has put the next steps in the playbook on hold while it assesses the North’s posture, officials say, though the administration hasn’t ruled out future shows of force. On Tuesday, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said the U.S. wanted to lower the “temperature” on the peninsula… [W]ithin the administration, some officials voiced concern about unintended consequences of provoking North Korea [by following an escalation "playbook"]. Some of these officials questioned the faith the White House and Pentagon placed in the intelligence agencies, which have a mixed record of predicting North Korean behavior. However, few objections were raised at the highest levels during the meetings, according to participants—unlike in other Obama administration deliberations about using military force abroad, including Libya, Northwest Africa and Syria, that have been marked by protracted debates. President Barack Obama gave the green light to proceed with the playbook, these people said. The unspoken risk: What’s the effect on Kim’s already unpredictable behavior now that he knows the U.S. is willing to tear up its “playbook” for fear of pushing him too far? Does that encourage him to be bolder? Or is this Journal story the White House’s way of making it easier for him to climb down? The WSJ’s sources are “U.S. officials” — important ones too, if they’re privy to what went on during meetings “at the highest levels.” Could be that Obama wanted this leaked as an olive branch to NK: The U.S. will eat shinola publicly for having been a little too aggressive towards Kim, whereupon Kim can declare moral victory and step back from the brink with South Korea. It’s a way to let him save face while retreating. “Look how the Americans tremble!” We’ll see if North Korea’s propaganda mill has any fun with it today. They sure have been having fun lately. Exit question: How long before China instigates a coup to put someone in the North Korean military who’s more predictable in charge? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3004096/posts?page=78--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Here's the article (I'll post the whole thing for those interested) link South Korean intelligence sources were quoted as saying that "disgruntled people inside the North" moved ahead of the demotion of Kim Yong-chol, director of the Reconnaissance General Bureau, in November. Authorities were paying special attention because the attempt was made in downtown Pyongyang, not during one of Kim's regional trips outside the capital city, the intelligence officer told the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper on Thursday.
The precise timing of the attack has not been accurately established, although there were rumours of a skirmish involving an exchange of gunfire in Pyongyang in November of last year.
It has also proved difficult to identify who was behind the incident, with the intelligence official suggesting it was linked to the punishment meted out to General Kim.Related Articles Grinning Kim Jong-un visits troops 13 Mar 2013 North Korea attacks South Korea's president's 'poisonous' skirt 13 Mar 2013 North Korea cuts off hotline to South 11 Mar 2013 North Korea says sanctions will make country 'a thousand times' stronger 09 Mar 2013 North Korea threatens over sanctions 09 Mar 2013 08 Mar 2013 A known hawk and a close ally of Kim Jong-un, General Kim earned a reputation for being an aggressive military leader who was behind the sinking of the South Korean corvette Cheonan in March 2010, which Pyongyang still denies involvement in. General Kim was also a key player in the decision to bombard South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island in November of the same year, resulting in the deaths of four people and injuries to 19 others. Promoted to a four-star general in February 2012, he was demoted to a two-star lieutenant general just nine months later because of the power struggle when the intelligence department of the Workers' Party and a division of the Ministry of the People's Armed Forces were merged into the Reconnaissance General Bureau. A dispute over which faction would lead the new entity led to the gunbattle in the streets of Pyongyang, the intelligence official said. "The people who were purged after the gunfight could be related to the assassination attempt," he added. General Kim has since been restored to his four-star status and appeared alongside Kim Jong-un at a musical recital in Pyongyang last month. Analysts believe that the recent belligerence that Pyongyang has been displaying is part of an effort to increase tensions on the Korean Peninsula and win the support of the military, enabling the young and inexperienced Kim to solidify his rule and internal unity. Confirming rumours of unrest within North Korea is difficult due to the close control the state exerts on the media, but there were also reports of assassination attempts against Kim's father, Kim Jong-il, before his death in December 2011. Kim Jong-il was apparently sufficiently concerned about threats to his well-being that he refused to fly anywhere and only travelled long distances aboard a specially armoured train. In April 2004, an explosion caused by what the government claimed was electrical cables accidenatally coming into contact with ammonium nitrate at a station in the northern part of the country killed more than 100 people. Kim's train had passed through the same station a few hours earlier, prompting speculation that it was actually an assassination attempt. State media have been showing Kim Jong-un touring front-line military units and exhorting them to be ready for "all-out" war with the United States and the "puppet regime" in South Korea, but he has also been pictured looking relaxed and attending a performance by the "art squad" of Army Unit 531. Kim enjoyed a series of musical numbers, including "Let us reap a richer bean harvest" and "All servicepersons and people will become human bullets and bombs."
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