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Would have been a class move by the Browns to have Dawson and someone from Browns, together in the media room reading the statement quoted, thanking Dawson for his years with the team...allowing Phil to use the event to say his thanks to the fans, the team and his teammates.
Phil was in California.
Was Banner supposed to call him up and say 'Hey, buddy, I know you signed with a new team, and you're probably out there meeting with them and apartment hunting and all that, but we need you to fly back out here so you and I can sit together. I don't want to seem classless'?
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Sure would have been a great opportunity for Banner to show some class and to show everyone that he truly is working to change his ways. But for some reason, Banner could not bring himself to do it.
Maybe that reason was that Dawson was in California, moving on with his new life and new employer.
Nah. It's probably just that Banner is a classless jerk.
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As for the rest of your rant.. Grow up. Banner Bashing will never become a recognized sport.. No sense in practicing.
Can we go back to Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur bashing?  I think I could win the gold medal in that category.
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You have no idea how much I hate it when I agree with you on something .......   lol
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Wouldn't you agree that Banner is the face of the new regime? Wouldn't it then follow that he at least approved that press release. Also, how do we know Banner didn't want to have a press conference? Is there a possibility it was Dawson who didn't want one? He did have a conference call with the local media. 
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Phil Dawson refused to sign with the Browns forcing them to franchise him the last 2 years; before Banner came here. Dawson didnt want to be here. He sold his house two seasons ago. Why in the world is this Banner's fault?
It is not possible to refuse something you were never offered. 
The last two offseason the Browns tried to work on a longer term Deal. In the end we were forced to franchise him twice. Before we franchised him the first time Phil sold his house here. The writing has been on the wall for a while that Phil wanted to be elsewhere. Had we had a realistic Franchise tag left on him we would have used it.
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Also, how do we know Banner didn't want to have a press conference? Is there a possibility it was Dawson who didn't want one?
But that wouldn't fit mac's story.
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I think we showed total respect towards Phil.
Phil has wanted out of Cleveland for a few year to have a chance to kick for a playoff team. In that time we heard him say he loved Cleveland, but I don't recall him saying how he wanted to stay here and finish up his career here.
Knowing we weren't going to franchise him again, my feeling is we didn't offer him a contract he would turn down and make it look like he turned us down in some way.
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Phil has wanted out of Cleveland for a few year to have a chance to kick for a playoff team
that's the common perception, yet, I've not heard him say it, nor have I heard it reported by a credible source. (remember the word credible)
It's been said and repeated by many on here but we aren't what I'd call "credible" because we don't have any inside sources.
Lots of folks on here and around town believe it. Me, I'm not convinced that's the case but if it were me I'd have wanted out so there is that.
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Wouldn't you agree that Banner is the face of the new regime? Wouldn't it then follow that he at least approved that press release.
Also, how do we know Banner didn't want to have a press conference? Is there a possibility it was Dawson who didn't want one? He did have a conference call with the local media.
cfr...forgive me for dealing with the facts. There was no public thanking of Dawson by a member of the Browns...no presser...just a short blurb on the website that was not even sourced to any individual in management.
IMO, it was pure bush league disrespect by the Browns...disrespect of Dawson and how he conducted himself as a member of the Browns since 1999.
If Banner wanted a presser to thank Phil, there would have been one...it is that simple. What many of you fail to understand or admit, this is who Joe Banner "is"...a disrespectful jerk. Banner built his reputation in Philly and became known for being disrespectful of the players, especially veteran players...earning the title as the "most hated man in Philly".
I did not give Joe Banner the title of the "most hated man in Philly" and I'm sure not the first to point out that Banner is a "class A jerk", when it comes to how he treats his own players. It's Banner's own conduct during his 18 yrs with the Eagles, that earned Banner the reputation that follows him, wherever he goes.
When Banner lost his power struggle with Andy Reid and was first fired in June 2012, he seemed to do some soul searching and acknowledged that he could have done a better job dealing with the players, especially during contract negotiations.
When it became obvious that Haslam was going to reward his investment group buddy..."Joe"...by giving him full control over the football side of the franchise, I began to dig into Banner's past. It was not pretty and gave me great concern about his qualifications to run "the football side" of the Browns, because he had "never" had such powers previously.
When I read that Banner had acknowledged the need to make some personal changes in how he conducted himself, relating to the treatment of his players...I thought we were getting a guy who realized his faults and was determined to change.
But so far, I have seen "nothing" to indicate that Banner intends to change as he still treats players as if they are nothing more than widgets in a business deal.
Then there is Banner's nutty "30 and out rule"...which he obviously is still using to decide if he should resign veterans or not.
It does not matter what kind of performance a veteran turns in, on the field...it does not matter how valuable a veteran is to the team...a player's age is the standard Banner uses to judge a veteran players worth to the team.
How can a franchise build a winning football team using such a stupid idea or rule?
Every veteran on the team now realizes, once they approach the age of 30, they are out the door because of Banner's rule and it does not matter how well they play or how good their performance is...it does not matter if you are a Pro Bowl player or turning in a performance that is close to best in the NFL.
When your a 28 or 29 yr old Browns veteran, do you bust your tail playing all out in every game or do you begin to read the handwriting on the wall and begin to play to protect your future, knowing it won't be in Cleveland?
How could you blame a 28 or 29 year old Browns player for throttling it back a little, looking out for his own future and knowing that future will not be with the Browns?
No other team in the NFL adheres to such a standard and for good reason...it's just a "crazy freaking idea or rule" that no other front office in the NFL uses to judge their players. Keep in mind, it's the long term effect of Banner's 30 and out rule that damages a franchise.
The one advantage Browns players have over the Eagles players, they already know how Banner operates. In Philly, many of the veteran players who were sent packing thought it was Andy Reid's idea to let them go. Now we know that Reid and Banner were involved in a power struggle that spanned years, due to this crazy rule Banner dreamed up.
Many of our fans look at Banner through the eyes of "management" and like his tough guy act.
I realize I'm out of step with most on the board, but I'm looking at Banner and his ways from the viewpoint of a football player, thinking about how players will react to Banner's methods.
I'm still hopeful and looking for any sign that Banner has changed but so far, I see nothing to indicate Banner has or intends to change. If anything, Banner will be worse, drunk with power now that he has been handed full control of a franchise...something he has never had.
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Did the Ravens have a press conference announcing that Kruger was leaving for Cleveland?
How about Bryant leaving Oakland? Did the Raiders have a press conference for his departure?
Teams don't do that. Hell, it might even be considered tampering if the player was under contract to another team. Teams issue a statement thanking the player for their time and contributions to the team, and wish them well in the future, and move on.
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I think we showed total respect towards Phil.
Phil has wanted out of Cleveland for a few year to have a chance to kick for a playoff team. In that time we heard him say he loved Cleveland, but I don't recall him saying how he wanted to stay here and finish up his career here.
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(On the chances he will finish his career as a Cleveland Brown) – “You know what, I’d like to. I really would. I’m not thinking about my career being over at this point, but it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to go play somewhere else. So, we’ll see what happens. I’ve told you guys before I’m not very good at predicting the future, but I’m just going to go to work like I always do and hope that things get worked out.”
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Did the Ravens have a press conference announcing that Kruger was leaving for Cleveland?
How about Bryant leaving Oakland? Did the Raiders have a press conference for his departure?
Teams don't do that. Hell, it might even be considered tampering if the player was under contract to another team. Teams issue a statement thanking the player for their time and contributions to the team, and wish them well in the future, and move on.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner! This right here. Teams don't hold pressers to thank a player who's still playing, but doing so elsewhere. They issue a statement, as the Browns did.
As for Banner, Lombardi and Haslam...I'm reserving judgement until we actually see the product they put on the field. Until then, it's just speculation since we have NO idea how their decisions will play out for the Cleveland Browns. I'll say I'm not impressed but what I've read of Lombardi and Banner to date, but that doesn't mean they haven't learned from their pasts and made changes. We shall see by the end of 2013. Until then...
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If Banner wanted a presser to thank Phil, there would have been one...it is that simple.
Could you provide one example of something like this happening? Ever?
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I admit to still having a degree of trepidation concerning Banner and Lombardi ..... especially Lombardi.
That being said, overall I like what they have done so far. I love the head coach hire, and really love the staff they put together. (obviously with Chud making the majority of the decisions)
I really like what they have done in free agency. I would have signed Huff to play at FS, and probably one of the bigger name CB ...... but obviously they didn't feel that those players were worth the money. We'll see how that works out.
I was stunned that they were able to get anything out of McCoy, especially with experienced QBs languishing on the open market. They traded a kid with no future here for a guy who might find a role on special teams, and maybe as a specialist on 3rrd down. I think that they have come out on top in both of those trades.
I would estimate that I like about 75% of what they have done thus far.That's higher than most front offices. lol So far I like what I see. It seems as though everyone is on the same page, and pulling in the same direction. That is so vitally important, and, like I said, I really can't complain too much so far.
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Would have been a class move by the Browns to have Dawson and someone from Browns, together in the media room reading the statement quoted, thanking Dawson for his years with the team...allowing Phil to use the event to say his thanks to the fans, the team and his teammates.
Phil was in California.
Was Banner supposed to call him up and say 'Hey, buddy, I know you signed with a new team, and you're probably out there meeting with them and apartment hunting and all that, but we need you to fly back out here so you and I can sit together. I don't want to seem classless'?
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Sure would have been a great opportunity for Banner to show some class and to show everyone that he truly is working to change his ways. But for some reason, Banner could not bring himself to do it.
Maybe that reason was that Dawson was in California, moving on with his new life and new employer.
Nah. It's probably just that Banner is a classless jerk.
I agree with every point you made. Sometimes it seems like anybody and everybody just loves to nitpick at every single action that the new regime makes - or any regime for that matter.
Sure, it would have been a classy move, but when was the last time you've seen a special press conference held for a kicker to say his farewell? Not to discount Phil Dawson's dedication and contribution to the Browns' franchise.
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I would estimate that I like about 75% of what they have done thus far.
I like everything they've done so far. It's what they haven't done that concerns me. We have two legitimate, proven NFL db's....both who've missed games due to injury. We deserately need a starting FS and a starting CB more than anything else right now.
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PDR....I did not realize Joe Banner made the statement above.
...OH WAIT..Banner didn't say that...matter of fact, the words quoted are not attributed to any individual, are they?
I thought I was clear, that the issue for me is "Joe Banner" and his history of how he treated his own players in Philly and now with the Browns.
So Joe Banner, who will never be to the Browns what Phil Dawson was, is supposed to make this heart felt statement regarding Phil Dawson, who was here all of about 7 months that Banner was here.
This is just my guess, had Banner come out with some kind of great statement regarding Dawson, you would have had a problem with him somehow linking himself to one of the beloved Browns or some other such nonsense.. either way, it would have been Banners fault.
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Would have been a class move by the Browns to have Dawson and someone from Browns, together in the media room reading the statement quoted, thanking Dawson for his years with the team...allowing Phil to use the event to say his thanks to the fans, the team and his teammates.
Other than maybe Irsay and Manning, and those were highly unique circumstances, who does this? Who has a joint press conference to announce that a player is leaving via free agency? I'm just curious if you can give me a couple of examples......
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But no one with the Browns cared enough about this player to even think of having such an event. Instead, Phil Dawson had to say his goodbyes via twitter.
I'm sure Phil appreciates you feeling disrespected on his behalf... because he really doesn't seem to care.
As for bringing in a kicker to workout the day Phil is saying his goodbyes... SO WHAT? Do you think Phil was shocked that the Browns went looking for another kicker? I could see your response a few years from now when the Browns said, "We had a chance to get this great kicker who has been to 3 pro bowls now but we didn't bring him in because it would have been disrespectful to Phil Dawson who was tweeting his goodbyes that day." I honestly don't know whether to or to  but I'm sure that without hesitation I can 
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