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to my ( untrained ) eye ; Colt out played Weeden in Pre season last year hands down !
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His main line of thought was no one wants to be in Cleveland because they are the model of ineptness in all sports and because it's Cleveland.
It's easy to argue that Colt's life would have been vastly improved had he not been drafted by the Browns. The QB situation initiated by Holmgren that began with the hiring of Delhomme and Wallace and led to the Drafting of McCoy, (who should never have been brought into this division,) and then Weeden was one of THE MOST inept cluster-farces in the history of NFL QB selection.
The situation was compounded as a result of the earlier, completely ridiculous, utterly lazy, amateurish nepotistic hiring of Shurmur. Then came the irresponsible insertion of McCoy as the starting QB with an incompletely healed shoulder, no training camp, little to no protection from the line, no running game to speak of, no coaching support, a stupid, ineffective, archaic system run by a clueless moron, supported by receivers who couldn't catch a cold. All this is topped off by a good portion of the fan base who's expert assessment is to whine and moan about how weak his arm is.
This town, this team and this fan base managed to take the winningest college QB of all time and turn him into a complete joke, totally on par with the joke the Browns have become since their return. I'm sure Colt wishes to God he'd never heard of Cleveland. And I wouldn't blame him one bit. Yet somehow, he still manages to handle the situation with class and dignity. I wish him well and hope he has much success in all his future endeavors and never looks back.
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to my ( untrained ) eye ; Colt out played Weeden in Pre season last year hands down !
And he should have.
McCoy knew the offense. He also played against soft zone defenses, and #2 players. The pre-season played into Colt McCoy's strengths. Simple, basic defenses are the style of the day in the pre-season .... especially with #2 and #3 defenses. We also kept our starters in later with McCoy against other teams' backups.
If he hadn't done well, it would have been a massive black flag.
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The situation was compounded as a result of the earlier, completely ridiculous, utterly lazy, amateurish nepotistic hiring of Shurmur.
The more time that passes, the truer this gets.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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to my ( untrained ) eye ; Colt out played Weeden in Pre season last year hands down !
And he should have.
McCoy knew the offense.
false accusations.
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There is no mystery about Weeden. If Weeden was all that which you criticize McCoy for, then why did the team sign Jason Campbell to compete for the job?
had to stop reading n reply to this...cause point blank it is So So incorrect.
1. Ya really think Campbell was brought in as the Answer for this team to move on...When we stated point blank we would not utilize any Band-aid methods for this team...signing a 31 year old QB who has been considered an underachiever for YEARS in the NFL and his days to prove himself are over...was brought in as a sign of LOGIC to state there is no Mystery about Weeden that if Weeden was all that why did we pick up Campbell...Nah that would have been a correct statement if we picked up Alex Smith...last I saw we didn't even sniffed him!
2. Actually there is a Mystery as in we don't know one way or another 100%. We meaning the guys that actually count n actually have much more evaluation material than us Experts...note I include myself in that category. Look Norv/Chud as well as Lombardi but I'm more interested in Norv/Chud cause I guarantee you its their call.
They looked at all the film which included the games as well as practice. Did they invest in Weeden via the draft? NO. Did they miss the note regarding his age? NO. And yet he is KING of the HILL in regards to any reported competition which is less of a competition than most here interpret those words. It is Weeden's JOB PERIOD...TO LOSE. That tells me they are more leaning towards this kid can be very good for our Offense - as opposed to HE DID BAD Last Year n his career is OVER.
Are they 100% sure? NO ergo still a mystery without finite answers. But its obvious to me they like the Prospective of Weeden being our QB. It has been stated Weeden is on top n Campbell is there in case he falters. Note as an after thought we are told...OH n COLT TOO...lol  But basically its spelled out Colt has an opportunity to take over the #2 QB spot the same way Campbell has the opportunity to take over the #1 spot. Not my words...This is our team Leader/CEO.
We will not release Colt unless circumstances come cut day warrant it. But until that last week it won't be a thought. But he is tagged as our #3 so of course we would be Stupid not to accept any offer in the form of Draft picks (rarely will it be player for player). Injuries happen in Pre-season. Starting QBs hardly get utilized in Preseason to protect them...So this exposes Back Up QBs. What happens if Redskins lose Cousins? you think they would throw a 3rd rounder in 2014 for Colt? Saints...back up who they don't have I don't think? won't invest in a 2013 draft day or 2014 pick which is far away from the 2013 season still to be played if there is a need? Dallas we know Romo will get a series or two then the back up will play the bulk of the reps. What if he gets injured? Ya think we will get an offer for Colt.
A lot will happen between now n Labor day where Colt could be traded. If we don't draft a QB developmental prospect...we might keep Colt as the #3 again he is available for trade to any team getting injuries with their QB to be a possible starter or back up When is the Trade Deadline Game 6???
Colt playing for us...I don't think he can WIN any competition. Just like I don't think Campbell can win any competition. Weeden can LOSE a competition and possibly Both can LOSE the competition catapulting Colt to that #1 slot. At that point though we could be that Suck for Luck situation (Bridgewater  ) the next great QB - not sure about Johnny Texas to NFL greatness?
All I know is it (IT = The competition) has been spelled out. We think Weeden has great prospects of doing good things in this Offense. key word is THINK...we are not SURE...If he falls Campbell is there - he has skills that fit this offense he can be good enough to win games maybe get us in the playoffs...He is not going to be counted on to getting us deep in the playoffs Sad but True. We all would have to resort to Mass Prayer for that to happen  btw...I'd love to do that as fans n see the miracle season happen 
Colt...has been equally spelled out. He is an after thought for our New offense...is he worth Dust? No, we think there can be an interested team out there who will give us something...but I can guarantee you unless Weeden n Campbell get hurt ala 2010 - Colt comes in and studs out...if that does not happen n we don't trade him we will see him off to FA market next off season. I don't think we would release him unless as Banner clearly states. IF Chud/Norv wishes a Roster spot by going w/2 QB only we won't be Releasing Colt. Ergo we have no problems eating that 2.3 mil Cap hit.
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we installed a new offense.
Sorry, care to explain or retract that statement with a MY BAD...I am totally ignorant of a NEW OFFENSE installed in 2012??? 
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we installed a new offense.
Sorry, care to explain or retract that statement with a MY BAD...I am totally ignorant of a NEW OFFENSE installed in 2012???
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Ditto.
Shurmur installed the WCO in 2011, McCoy played the entire 2011 season in the system, before entering camp last year.
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we installed a new offense.
Sorry, care to explain or retract that statement with a MY BAD...I am totally ignorant of a NEW OFFENSE installed in 2012???
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They hired Brad Childress in 2012 http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...inator-1.272731
Childress added plays to something that was called" west coast offense" and the only thing about '11 offense that mirrored '12 was that they both could be called "west coast" and it was because of the philosophy
they didn't run the same plays they ran in 2011 as they did in 2012 and they had a new playbook in '12. therefore new offense.
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I disagree. I think that they ran almost a mirror image of the overall offense they ran in 2011. The only difference is that Weeden has different strengths and weaknesses than McCoy does, and thus made different decisions and throws within that offense.
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Playcalling was atrocious under McCoy, especially under Shurmur. Shurmur received (and justly so) a great deal of criticism for that.
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opinions are like...
hey man, you got your and I got mine. i remember 11 as being the season of inept play calling.
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Playcalling was atrocious under McCoy, especially under Shurmur. Shurmur received (and justly so) a great deal of criticism for that.
100% agreed. I mean when we are gaining 5-6 yards per run, well that means we just need to pass it on first, second and third downs then according to Pat's game-calling philosophy. Shurmur's offense was outdated, and quite pathetic IMO. Over 75% of the time, I was able to guess the play that was being called. If I could do that 75% of the time, that must mean defenses (coordinator/staff and player captains) prob knew what it was 95% of the time...
Seeing Norv's offense, and MARK MY WORDS, is going to be night and day difference compared to the last years with Pat calling the shots. Much looking forward to it!
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to my ( untrained ) eye ; Colt out played Weeden in Pre season last year hands down !
To my untrained eye as well.
I dare say that the Browns will probably be 3 games better in the win department just because of the regime change and the change in coaching staff.
My same untrained eye saw Shurmur as the absolutely worst HC/OC in the league.
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My same untrained eye saw Shurmur as the absolutely worst HC/OC in the league.
Probably def the worst OC in the league. Probably lost all coaching crediblity when he sent Colt back in after getting leveled/the concussion. His father did the right thing and went to the media about it. Everyone should know Pat is a horrible decision maker...
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sorry no insult intended but I read that article that you gave a link to. There is not one IOTA close to what you just stated as a fact which I took it to mean you actually had facts from the link article.
You basically just made up stuff. Which quite frankly is nowhere close to the Facts.
Sorry, but you just took a step back...if you provide more articles that actually substantiate your opinion as truly factual...I'll be the first to apologize with a My Bad.
But you have proven nothing. I'm not at a Mind Freak Show looking for Deception n Slight of hand. 
Just I feel a little insulted at that presentation...I hope I'm wrong please expound on your thought process? Thanks
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sorry no insult intended but I read that article that you gave a link to. There is not one IOTA close to what you just stated as a fact which I took it to mean you actually had facts from the link article.
You basically just made up stuff. Which quite frankly is nowhere close to the Facts.
Sorry, but you just took a step back...if you provide more articles that actually substantiate your opinion as truly factual...I'll be the first to apologize with a My Bad.
But you have proven nothing. I'm not at a Mind Freak Show looking for Deception n Slight of hand.
Just I feel a little insulted at that presentation...I hope I'm wrong please expound on your thought process? Thanks
what in the world are you talking about? of course it's my opinion? all I gave a link was saying that Childress was hired in '12
If I somehow gave the impression that the stuff I wrote about "WCO" was written I apologize. That wasn't my intention and I was tying quickly before I got on a phone call. I was using it to show that he was hire in '12 and he was taking over the responsibility (evidence in the link). Obviously, if he is calling the plays the plays will be different and a different playbook. The stuff following was all my opinion.
I'll find the info when I can. I know child took over the O duties and was calling the plays. I know they talked about adding to what the WCO already was. and obviously that would mean learning new plays. (hence the new playbook)
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but I don't think he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL.
Common statement with many fans and the media regarding McCoy, but the new FO, and coaching staff Will Know once camp begins, truth will be told, and I can't wait til it happens.
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but I don't think he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL.
Common statement with many fans and the media regarding McCoy, but the new FO, and coaching staff Will Know once camp begins, truth will be told, and I can't wait til it happens.
that's the bottom line.
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I see so the link was that we hired Childress - you could have just stated that I don't think you would have gotten ONE Disagreement to that as a Fact.
So this was all Opinion
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Childress added plays to something that was called" west coast offense" and the only thing about '11 offense that mirrored '12 was that they both could be called "west coast" and it was because of the philosophy
they didn't run the same plays they ran in 2011 as they did in 2012 and they had a new playbook in '12. therefore new offense.
am I missing something?
Are you missing something? Heck yeah like we didn't put in a NEW OFFENSE? I saw no additions to the offense except for personnel. Weeden, Trent, Gordon, Schwartz, Benjamin...I didn't see a different Playbook. I saw the SAME Triangle WCO ran by Walsh n Holmgren.
But a MY BAD for referring that you used the LINK as a slight of hand to take your opinion as Fact.
Just it was incorrect...don't know if I should state that as Opinion cause I am sure I just wouldn't be able to search the WEB stating that as fact. I also don't see too many Web searches let me know indeed that Weeden is still breathing...and yet somehow I know I can state that as a fact. I am that sure about us having the same playbook as 2011. I will admit that Childress might have tweaked it? There is a big big difference from the NEW OFFENSE claim. Actually I don't even understand the possible thought that we had one??? Sometimes it is best to say you are wrong???
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. I will admit that Childress might have tweaked it? There is a big big difference from the NEW OFFENSE claim. Actually I don't even understand the possible thought that we had one???
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I guess using only 10 pages of a 600 page playbook in 2012 confuses folks Tab
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. I will admit that Childress might have tweaked it? There is a big big difference from the NEW OFFENSE claim. Actually I don't even understand the possible thought that we had one???
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I guess using only 10 pages of a 600 page playbook in 2012 confuses folks Tab
10 page? only if there is only one play per page. 
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Having an OC probably allowed for more to be installed and in being the second year in the system I seem to recall Shurmur saying something about taking out the plays that didn't work and trying other things that they haven't tried which may equate to a tweaked playbook? I don't know. To me, regardless if McCoy knew the playbook it wasn't going to matter. The previous FO used a first rounder for Weeden and they had to play him. How would it look if they burnt a first round pick and then once they got going they decided McCoy was the better QB? They would pretty much be saying they didn't know what they were doing. They had no choice after taking a 29 year old QB but to play him. Do you know what I mean?
It seems to me that the fact that they couldn't play McCoy, because of the implications and ramifications, many feel like Colt just can't play or compete at this level. That is the catch, many feel that Colt was better but the FO and coaching staff could not justify blowing a first rounder on a QB when we had a superior one already on the roster. In doing this it is assumed that the FO believed that Weeden was better because he got the start and played the whole season when in reality they forced their own hand in it.
The new FO and Coaching Staff does not have that(forced to play Weeden) attached to them, they will determine the best QB for themselves but probably have to be wondering if what I say is true. They would probably be under the impression that ANY coaching staff and FO would do the right thing and play the QB or player at any position that give them the best chance at winning. So they are probably operating under that assumption until they actually get to see these guys going through the motions for themselves, in which case they signed Campbell just in case things are how the think they are instead of what I think they are.
Is this conspiracy story a complete reach? Utterly absurd? Maybe. But maybe it's just crazy enough to be true and what a rouse it would be if that IN FACT was the truth behind the benching of McCoy and could lead to a redemption story of epic proportions for the "Little Quarterback from Jim Ned". Colt is not a bad QB, what he lacks in the physical department is easily overcome by heart and determination and that is a fact that I will stand behind and something I truly believe in. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Personally I see a great offense with Colt McCoy leading the team to victory after victory on the back of Trent Richardson and Company. With Little learning to catch the easy ones and starting to pick up the yac and Gordon becoming dominant, Colt has real and tangible options to take the pressure off. If receiver catch the ball and Richardson runs healthy, a mobile and accurate McCoy could piece up defenses unlike any QB we've had since the return. In that thought process I stay committed to Colt as the starter and until he proves to me that HE is the problem, he has my support.
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McCoy is not in this front office's plans. You might as well accept it. It will save you pain down the road. If you keep holding onto this belief that Colt McCoy is going to ride to the rescue, and somehow become a great NFL and Browns QB .... well, then you are deluding yourself. McCoy will probably stick around until training camp. The team might hang onto him into camp, hoping that another team has an injury and is forced to trade for him ...... but I doubt that he makes it past the 1st cuts .... if that long.
If I were a betting man, I would bet that McCoy will be a former NFL QB in a matter of a couple of years. He might get a shot as a backup, but I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to look at his play on the field and think "This is our guy". Frankly, he has not played well as a starter, and I bet that he'll get a year somewhere as a backup, then move on to another team as their backup ...... then into retirement.
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McCoy is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea of him surviving yet another TC.
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McCoy is not in this front office's plans. You might as well accept it. It will save you pain down the road. If you keep holding onto this belief that Colt McCoy is going to ride to the rescue, and somehow become a great NFL and Browns QB .... well, then you are deluding yourself. McCoy will probably stick around until training camp. The team might hang onto him into camp, hoping that another team has an injury and is forced to trade for him ...... but I doubt that he makes it past the 1st cuts .... if that long.
If I were a betting man, I would bet that McCoy will be a former NFL QB in a matter of a couple of years. He might get a shot as a backup, but I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to look at his play on the field and think "This is our guy". Frankly, he has not played well as a starter, and I bet that he'll get a year somewhere as a backup, then move on to another team as their backup ...... then into retirement.
funny. just read something about the 3 QBs in the draft we are bringing to look at. all 3 are spread option. who on the roster right now would be best at it?
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say there's a less than 5% chance of McCoy being on the roster after final cuts.
And I think the only way that happens is if we trade Weeden.
We signed a new backup QB and Banner basically just said in GM speak that we don't really want him.
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The only way he'll be gone is if the Raiders feel the need to trade for him to replace Palmer.
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say there's a less than 5% chance of McCoy being on the roster after final cuts.
And I think the only way that happens is if we trade Weeden.
We signed a new backup QB and Banner basically just said in GM speak that we don't really want him.
yea and if they go spread option in the draft who are they going to keep? weeden or mcoy?
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funny. just read something about the 3 QBs in the draft we are bringing to look at. all 3 are spread option. who on the roster right now would be best at it?
None of them.
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say there's a less than 5% chance of McCoy being on the roster after final cuts.
And I think the only way that happens is if we trade Weeden.
We signed a new backup QB and Banner basically just said in GM speak that we don't really want him.
yea and if they go spread option in the draft who are they going to keep? weeden or mcoy?
If we drafted a spread option QB, I would imagine at that point we'd cut McCoy and try to trade Weeden for a second day pick.
Campbell would be the backup or temporary starter.
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funny. just read something about the 3 QBs in the draft we are bringing to look at. all 3 are spread option. who on the roster right now would be best at it?
None of them.
to be real. its none any offence.
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The only way he'll be gone is if the Raiders feel the need to trade for him to replace Palmer.
I don't expect him to go anywhere.
I can't really see any teams making a trade with the idea of Weeden being their starting QB. Possible, but unlikely.
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Just curious are there any QBs who don't do spread option any more...Barckly I guess, I would class Geno as a Pocket Passer which is what makes him attractive. But spread option is a reality in College football. They still will have to evaluate how they can fit into the NFL systems. I can guarantee you - the spread option they run in college will not be seen here in the NFL. If so you better have 3 of them cause no way they would survive...also if that was a possibility...Tebow would have been the most sought after FA this year
Heck even Gabbert did Spread option...Maggert too. That cannot be a dirty word any more regarding college QBs. Bridgewater, Johnny Texas...get use to it.
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"Just curious are there any QBs who don't do spread option any more"
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You think a team is going to trade for McCoy to be their starter?  He's about to engage in an uphill battle for a backup gig. I could see a team ponying up a fifth or a sixth for him as an insurance policy. But a starter? McCoy isn't likely start another game in the NFL unless the guy ahead of him is injured.
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McCoy is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea of him surviving yet another TC.
There's a good chance that he's one of the 90 who survives TC.
Hopefully he learns how to spin it otherwise he doesn't have a chance of being on the Browns opening day roster.
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to be real. its none any offence
Lets just hope no one gets tired... 
"A couple times I just threw the ball in the dirt to let those guys rest. We were throwing the ball down the field and those guys were tired." said McCoy
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