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Rocket - That is not an opinion. It is established fact. Numerous studies confirm this. "More Likely" DOES NOT MEAN that this will happen in every case. What is does mean is that, compared to a two-parent household, it is, guess what, More Likely.
Opinions are open for debate and discussion. If you don't like them, then you not only can but SHOULD disagree, and state your reasons why or why not.
Facts are NOT open for debate or discussion. You can and should question the nature of how they are determined, and trust but Verify, but to deny them is to stick your head in the sand.
Now listen - I DO NOT WANT you to just take my word for this. Look it up. Research it yourself. Enrich yourself with Accurate information. Cleanse yourself of untruth. If you are unwilling or unable to do this, and would still like to see the information, I will get it for you, but it will come with an admonition to get up off your lazy arse and do something for yourself.
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Wait, first, are these two consenting adults basketball players?
Of course!
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Tell me about the PM's, phil.
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Tell me about the PM's, phil.
I thought it was you. Maybe I was mistaken.
Were you the one who was talking about some lunatic thing where you posted a picture of your wife's ex with a target on his head? Something really crazy like that? There was also some weird rambling about a drug addict neighbor that sounded outlandish and was full of plot holes?
If that wasn't you, then I didn't PM you.
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Just clicking.
Again, I'm curious as to why the federal government should have any say regarding marriage. I've read the Constitution front and back and couldn't find one darn thing about marriage in it....
How about we leave it to the states to decide, which is actually prescribed by the Tenth Amendment? Anyone? Anyone???
This is why DOMA will not be upheld, specifically
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Marriage has always been a state matter. The federal government has no associated requirements that pertain to the act of marriage. The government recognizes that states have marriage and there are laws that contain marriage references (see tax code) but that is not the same as prescribing the requirements for marriage.
Except when DOMA is considered. The government decided to create a law that said we do not recognize same sex marriages. The tax code, and about 1000 other laws that reference marriage do not apply because the federal government did not like the fact that this state or that state allows same sex marriages. Therefore same sex marriage does not apply from a federal perspective.
Thus it created two type of marriage, whole milk marriage and skim milk marriage, in the words of Ginsberg. And as such it is a clear violation of the 14th amendment under the equal protection clause. However in this case the federal government and not the state is violating its own clause.
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I will comment about the whole procreation thing.
It was a mistake for side that wanted to maintain DOMA to bring up procreation as a purpose of marriage as Sotamayor pointed out. I am one of those 50+ year olds (she said 55, but I am not there yet) that will not be married for procreation purposes.
There is no state required fertility test for procreation to establish the legitimacy of marriage, nor is their any age restriction.
My mom remarried in her 70's and it worked out well for her. People get married for a variety of reasons, but procreation is not a requirement.
Procreation was a dumb argument. It probably wont effect the outcome, but it can not be included as a reason because it does not make sense.
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Rocket - That is not an opinion. It is established fact. Numerous studies confirm this. "More Likely" DOES NOT MEAN that this will happen in every case. What is does mean is that, compared to a two-parent household, it is, guess what, More Likely.
Opinions are open for debate and discussion. If you don't like them, then you not only can but SHOULD disagree, and state your reasons why or why not.
Facts are NOT open for debate or discussion. You can and should question the nature of how they are determined, and trust but Verify, but to deny them is to stick your head in the sand.
Now listen - I DO NOT WANT you to just take my word for this. Look it up. Research it yourself. Enrich yourself with Accurate information. Cleanse yourself of untruth. If you are unwilling or unable to do this, and would still like to see the information, I will get it for you, but it will come with an admonition to get up off your lazy arse and do something for yourself.
I can also pull out studies saying that children of rich are more likely to succeed in school and get better grades which creates better opportunities for their life in college and beyond. Does that guarantee everyone to be rich?
Life is NOT fair. You are going to have different sects in society. Outlawing gay marriage is NOT going to create better marriages that do not end in divorce nor is it going to solve the issue of single parents. Where is your argument here going? All it is saying is that children of married parents in a stable family are more likely to be well-rounded and not go crazy in life. This does nothing to make a case to outlaw gay marriage one tiny smudge on a speck of dust. Considering that people in gay marriages typically cannot procreate their own children, there would be no children to speak about unless they adopt, which in that case the children are probably most likely to be in a situation which is more healthier than a foster home.
If gay marriage should be outlawed on the basis that it does nothing towards "our" survival, where is the outrage of people who cannot have children or choose not to have children? Where is the outrage of single parenthood? If you want to ban gay marriage on the basis that children from marriages are more likely to succeed, then a) Divorce should be outlawed no matter what. Spouse beating you? Nope. Spouse cheating on you? nope. You don't love your spouse and you want to marry someone else? Nope. Of course, those situations will most likely be as worse or even worse for the children involved. b) children out of wedlock should be outlawed, so if you and your partner are going to have baby, you only have two choices 1) Get married for life or 2) get an abortion. But of course, that is never going to happen.
But once again, How does gay marriage infringe on your rights?
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Phil - I have such a picture, but I have never posted it. I also have a junkie neighbor, and have posted about both. My posts were truthful and accurate.
At one point I spoke of him receiving money from a will and you went on some tirade and berated me about how he would not have received this money from some other source, when I clearly stated it was from a will.
Still have never, ever received a PM from you, at any time, on any subject. You have spoken a clear untruth. You have lied.
You do like using double negatives and juvenile word games, don't you?
I also spoke at length about Florida's stand your ground law, and many people told me I was wrong and the law did not say what I said it did. Then the Travon Martin case came up, the law was posted, and, amazingly enough, it said exactly what it said it did, almost word for word.
Charger - You have to some extent helped make my point. Two parent households are a better environment to raise children. Does not mean extreme measures should be taken to ensure all children are raised in that way. It means just exactly what I said it means, which is that two parent households are better for raising children. That's it.
What societal actions we should take is an option. It would appear to be a good idea to take steps so that couples take marriage more seriously. Those steps could have a number of forms. Understanding that the raising of children is one of the, if not the absolute #1, most important tasks a couple can undertake, in a long-term social view, would be an important step.
Not making a joke out of marriage would be another.
The issue of infringement of rights is often brought up. What "rights" are infringed when the stock market crashes? What constitutional protections are violated? None, but it is still a bad thing. What rights are violated when your local school does a poor job teaching? None, but it is still a bad thing. What constitutional issue is raised when the crime rate goes up among juveniles? None, but it is still a bad thing.
I'll take a page from the thesis I wrote for Dr Kim - Social structures and conventions are not enforced by any specific body, although they can and do change. Both the mechanisms of change and enforcement are not external to the society, they are and must be internal. The society itself decides what it wants to be. It makes itself as it chooses. A thorough understanding of the consequences of those choices is necessary for optimum function of that society. There is no real mechanism to ensure that correct choices are made, other than incorrect ones can result in the society in question ceasing to exist.
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Phil - I have such a picture, but I have never posted it.
IIRC you said you had it posted on your front door or something?
That's around when I started to think 'jeez, it sounds like this guy has some mental problems'. Couple that with the delusions of grandeur about 99th percentile intelligence among other things, and I can certainly see where my thought process came to be.
Anyway, I really hope you seek some professional help or therapy if you don't already. I'll leave it at that.
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Phil - I have such a picture, but I have never posted it.
IIRC you said you had it posted on your front door or something?
That's around when I started to think 'jeez, it sounds like this guy has some mental problems'. Couple that with the delusions of grandeur about 99th percentile intelligence among other things, and I can certainly see where my thought process came to be.
Anyway, I really hope you seek some professional help or therapy if you don't already. I'll leave it at that.
You should start sending him PMs
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Well, excuse me for thinking that the use of the word "posted" would imply placing it in view, here, on this message board, where we are, um, posting. Are you for some reason using the phrase "PM" in some non-standard way?
It was indeed on my front door, was viewed by many authorities, and agreed to by most to be a reasonable and necessary precaution in the circumstances. It was mainly to . off my soon-to-be ex-wife. Worked fantastically well. The memory of her complaining bitterly to the cop that I had "ALTERED" her ex-husbands child-molester mug shot still brings a smile to my face, really, thanks for reminding me of that. Brightens my whole day.
I can provide info on how to view the man's mugshot on the Florida state sex offender's website, as described earlier. I still have the modified target with the applicable law printed on it, as well. I could scan that.
You have lied about the PMs. Your reasons for doing so, and your numerous personal attacks, coupled with the nature of these attacks, go along with your unending cynicism and admitted questionable character traits, to combine together and indicate that there is indeed someone in need of help here. It does not matter whether you choose to believe I had three years coursework of University Psychology training, or not. You have offered no qualifications whatsoever. I think you have serious issues.
I have offered verification, while you are on the verge of being forced to admit that you lied. I have not accused you of lying, except where it is clear, obvious, and indisputable that you have. The weaseling has already begun, just as I predicted.
Prove to me that I am wrong in a statement of fact and I have absolutely no problem admitting it, far from it. To obtain accurate information and discard untruth is a value held high in the very core of my being. A lifetime of such belief, and vigorous desire to learn, coupled with a prodigious memory, is the main reason for my absolute certainty, verified through experience, that while I can be wrong, on factual matters, it just doesn't happen very often.
I dislike the speaking of untruth, separate from deliberate lying. I despise liars.
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Wow dude...I think it's best to just leave you be, man. Consider PDR's recommendations. I wish you the best.
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So how about it lover you ready to get hitched 
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I haven't read every post on this thread,, so if this has been posted, I am sorry. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...me-out-togetherSeems as if there are 4 current NFL Players that are thinking of coming out together as gay. Quote:
Ayanbadejo: Gay NFL players might come out together
By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League Editor
Published: April 5, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
Updated: April 5, 2013 at 02:52 p.m.
Brendon Ayanbadejo isn't sure whether he'll get another chance to play in the NFL. But the issue that he cares so much about, same-sex equality, is likely to remain a hot topic in the league.
Advancing a CBS report earlier this offseason that a gay NFL player was considering coming out publicly, Ayanbadejo says that a group of players might do it together.
"I think it will happen sooner than you think," Ayanbadejo told The Baltimore Sun on Friday. "We're in talks with a handful of players who are considering it. There are up to four players being talked to right now and they're trying to be organized so they can come out on the same day together. It would make a major splash and take the pressure off one guy. It would be a monumental day if a handful or a few guys come out."
That's an understatement. It would be a seminal moment in American sports history. Ayanbadejo indicates the organization for such a moment is very real. For multiple players to come out at the same time would only amplify the message.
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I wonder how many have boy friends and want to get married?
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It was indeed on my front door, was viewed by many authorities, and agreed to by most to be a reasonable and necessary precaution in the circumstances. It was mainly to . off my soon-to-be ex-wife. Worked fantastically well. The memory of her complaining bitterly to the cop that I had "ALTERED" her ex-husbands child-molester mug shot still brings a smile to my face, really, thanks for reminding me of that. Brightens my whole day.
I rest my case.
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I'm thinking this forum is WAY better than where I came from. However, I do feel as though I have stepped through looking glass when reading some of these posts. I'm just going to go ahead and assume both of you are having fun.
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Part of me feels bad for playing around with someone who clearly needs help.
Most of me is amused by it. 
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Tell me about those PM's, phil.
As for the rest of your crap, I got two words for you and they ain't happy birthday.
But, seriously, what about those PMs, phil?
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But, seriously, what about those PMs, phil?
I keep picturing the poor guy in a padded room and a straitjacket mumbling this over and over again.
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So did you lie or not?
I know the answer. Tell everyone phil.
Is your word completely worthless? Do you have the spine necessary to answer a single question? Something you insist others do?
Or will you run away from it?
Ask me a question and I'll answer it. Do you have the guts, phil?
Just a single question. What are you afraid of?
No baseless accusation here. No attempt at character assassination. I do not play your games.
Just answer the question. No BS needed.
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If you want to bicker with Phil, could you do it in PM? Nobody cares whether he PM'ed you or not except you. Obsession is NOT our friend.
Doesn't matter, I guess. This thread will probably be closed in another page or two.
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Sorry, man. Peen already beat you to it.
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If you want to bicker with Phil, could you do it in PM? Nobody cares whether he PM'ed you or not except you. Obsession is NOT our friend
Oh the irony! Fighting about whether or not a PM was sent via PM. Heehee! That just tickled me. And my thought with this whole did he PM or not has been "obsess much"
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I would like truth placed on public view. It does not belong in a closed room. Maybe that's just my opinion.
IMO someone who has lied is likely to lie again. It was my understanding that at least some people here are concerned about untruthful statements.
He has made numerous, public, personally disparaging comments, rather than discuss or debate points of the discussion, which I have attempted to do.
It's just one question, which he refuses to answer.
As for everybody else being bothered, I was told that it was just me and phil here, anyway.
His tactics are those of Joe McCarthy. If you all here choose to accept that, hey, that is your choice. Fine, do not ask for truth. Ask only for that which you wish to hear.
History tells us that usually doesn't work out so well.
As with society, this group will decide what it wants to be. Each member decides how they wish to participate, if at all. Such is life.
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 Okay, enjoy your little breakdown then.
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I got two words for you and they ain't happy birthday.
Let's see if I can guess..
1. Sweety Pie
2. Bubba baby
3. Baby Doll
4. Honey Bunch
5. Darling Dearest
Any of those fit your needs
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So did you lie or not?
I know the answer. Tell everyone phil.
Is your word completely worthless? Do you have the spine necessary to answer a single question? Something you insist others do?
Or will you run away from it?
Ask me a question and I'll answer it. Do you have the guts, phil?
Just a single question. What are you afraid of?
No baseless accusation here. No attempt at character assassination. I do not play your games.
Just answer the question. No BS needed.
Internet tough guy alert
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I know it was a rhetorical question, but, yes, I do.
When I have a question and no answer I dig until I find one. That's pretty much what I do for a living, fixing computers. Find answers. Obsessively. It puts food on my table, and provides more, accurate, information. With which you can make judgements which are more likely to be correct.
I believe the answer to the current question reveals much more than whether he did, or did not, send me a PM. I'll leave it to you to consider what those might be.
I am curious, when you have a question, which you consider to be important, and you do not have an answer, what do you do? Just forget about it?
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Nelson, do you by chance have issues with your blood pressure?
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I sent him a PM on self help for obsessive behavior. Phil gave me his address.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Many thanks to you, and to all, for the adult discussion.
For those who have actually done so, the thanks are sincere.
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Actually, yes, I do just forget about it. Clearly, the question isn't going to be answered so wasting more time trying to dig is pointless and, as I said, a waste of time. Why should I waste my time obsessing about something for which I will not receive an answer? Not worth it to me. Besides, this is a message board, not real life. The only people who I obsess about an answer from are the people who work for me, are married to me, or sprang from my body. The rest is like this: 
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Thanks for the mental image. 
***Picturing babies flying across the room***
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Sorry, man. Peen already beat you to it.
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Thanks for the mental image.
***Picturing babies flying across the room***
Yup! They shot across the room! (Ryan damn near really did...I'll have to tell you that story next time I see you).
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