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Correct. We do not know all the facts, contrary to what the media has tried to tell us.
Possibly the only story covered more by the media than this shooting was the Newtown shootings.
They wanted to keep this story alive so much they started making stuff up.
Since when has a reporter's opinion mattered at all. Now they interview each other and they willingly give their opinions as if there was someone somewhere who cared?
They consume 24 hrs babbling and any comments from people who actually matter is cut to a "sound bite" and they act like they need to keep moving, because they're going to lose time and won't be able to show the water-skiing squirrel video.
Most of these "media" either provide the "trending" story on the internet or they provide a simple ass question and ask the viewers to respond to their survey about the topic.
I remember a time when the prevailing thought by most people was, "who cares what I think?". Now we're supposed to think our opinions are just as important as anybody who actually knows what they're talking about. 
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It's going to be dicey. I realize there's a stand your ground law in effect, and the way it's written favors Zimmerman. I don't agree at all with what he did. A civilian carrying a firearm has no business whatsoever pursuing someone unless he's certain that there's an imminent intent to kill or cause grave bodily injury. Suspicious behavior does not apply. He notified law enforcement, which is the point where his job was finished. IIRC, the 911 operator told him not to pursue.
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I think his biggest issue is this case being tried in the media, and the fear a court is going to have in acquitting him, or even throwing the case out. If it wasn't for the public outcry he probably would have never even been charged.
I just cant see murder, maybe manslaughter, because it can be said his negligence in following Trayvon when he was told not to, ultimately lead to the death. But I think if it is true that Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, then he was justified in pulling his gun and shooting him.
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I've given this a lot of thought. Like you, I'm leaning toward negligent homicide, just as they would prosecute drunk drivers. Without due cause, he knowingly and deliberately performed an act (pursuing Martin) that had the potential for an altercation, and he knew he was armed. From what I've read about Florida's stand your ground law though, it doesn't take such instances into account. This whole thing irks me, as one person's ignorance can set back the 2a movement quite a bit. I can't wait to see how this will play out.
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Can it be determined that Zimmerman would NOT have approached Martin if he wasn't armed?
If he wasn't carrying a gun and the police told him not to approach would he have stayed in his vehicle?
Can a court determine that Zimmerman intended to use his gun?
I think the prosecutor will probably try to convince the court that Zimmerman approached only because he had his own gun and if that's the case then you're pretty close to murder.
However, with all the focus on gun rights in the media these days I would be surprised if he's found guilty of anything more than obstructing the police.
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I think the prosecutor will probably try to convince the court that Zimmerman approached only because he had his own gun and if that's the case then you're pretty close to murder.
But it's a strange situation when you consider how that law is written. There have been 2 cases in Fla where the killer left a fight, returned with a weapon and killed their victim....and were let off because of the law. Here's a lengthy article with references to many cases where stand your ground was used in Fla. It's quite shocking how many of these people got off in what seemingly was cold blooded murder. That law needs to be rewritten. After reading this, it appears that Zimmerman has a very good chance of getting a light sentence. Precedents have been set.
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I guess it is different in different states. In Ohio if you are the one who approaches a situation, then for the most part you are guilty of what happens because of the situation.
A few years ago we were having a neighbor/family issue. So some verbal stuff had went on towards my wife and kids while I was at work, so when I got home I went over and knocked on the guys door to find out what was going on. He came out screaming and ranting and raving and actually pushed me at one point. The police came out and we went home and everyone one was warned to shut up, and no more BS. A couple weeks later I get a summons in mail for disorderly conduct. When I found out only I did and the other people didn't I asked why. They said because I went over there, anything else that happened from that point on was my doing.
I guess the old saying holds true " don't start none. there wont be none" LOL
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Can it be determined that Zimmerman would NOT have approached Martin if he wasn't armed?
How??? Unless Zimmerman would confess to that it would be pure speculation on the Prosecutions part.
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If he wasn't carrying a gun and the police told him not to approach would he have stayed in his vehicle?
The dispatcher asked him if he was following the suspicious person and Zimmerman said "Yes". She said "We don't need you to do that" which he replied "OK". At that point he "Claims" he was returning to his car when Trayvon confronted and assaulted him.
If his story is true, which will come out in court then he was obeying the dispatcher and stopped following Trayvon when she told him. But as for him staying in his car if he didn't have his gun, again that would be pure speculation.
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Can a court determine that Zimmerman intended to use his gun?
Again would be speculation unless you have a confession.
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I think the prosecutor will probably try to convince the court that Zimmerman approached only because he had his own gun and if that's the case then you're pretty close to murder.
And any arguments they make along those lined would be objected by the defense and should be sustained bu the Judge as being speculation.
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However, with all the focus on gun rights in the media these days I would be surprised if he's found guilty of anything more than obstructing the police.
And I can see with the attention this case has gotten Zimmerman getting the book thrown at him. But we are also talking about a State where Casey Anthony got off so who knows.
As far as the OP and the article talking about "Purple Drank" and Codine or what ever, wouldn't there be proof to back those claims up on the autopsy report? Wouldn't they of found those substances in his system??
We will find out a lot more or at least dispute/confirm some of these rumors out there once the trial starts.
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As far as the OP and the article talking about "Purple Drank" and Codine or what ever, wouldn't there be proof to back those claims up on the autopsy report? Wouldn't they of found those substances in his system??
We will find out a lot more or at least dispute/confirm some of these rumors out there once the trial starts.
Thanks FreeAgent and I pretty much agree with you. Those would be the conditions the prosecutor would have to prove and I don't think it would be possible. But it could be an entertaining trial.
Right up there with Orenthal's.
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