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Robertson is listed at 6'1 229lbs. Unless he packs on some serious muscle I don't see him fitting in anywhere but special teams in our new system.
He can't play OLB in our system, but Daryl Washington, in Arizona, played ILB at 6'2" and 230#. (and he had 134 tackles, 9 sacks, and an INT) That would indicate that Horton doesn't worry about size at the ILB position as much as OLB. Looking at the Cardinals, it seems as though his defense requires one really quick, sideline to sideline type ILB. I think that Robertson might be able to fill that role.
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Dion Lewis was outstanding as a college freshman in 2009, running for 1,799 yds. I remember watching him play as a freshman and felt his quickness, speed and running style was near the best I have seen for a freshman, at the college level. But in 2010, Lewis' production dropped to 1,061...don't know why, whether he was playing injured ??...I do remember watching him in 2010 and felt he had lost some of the quickness and speed he had shown as a freshman.
In 2011, as a rookie for the Eagles, Lewis handled 31 Kick Off returns for 669 yds with 33 yds being his longest return and ranked 16th in the NFL for KO returns. Lewis played in 15 games, rushing from the line of scrimmage 23 times for 102 yds, with 20 yds being his longest run and 1 TD...Lewis caught one pass for -3 yds in 2011.
In 2012, Lewis lost his KO duties to Philly RB, Brandon Boykin who had 45 returns for 1037 yds and ranked 7th in the NFL. Lewis did return 1 kickoff for 33 yds in 2012...Lewis did not return any punts. Lewis ran the ball 13 times from the LOS in 2012 for 69 yds and he caught 2 passes for 24 yds
Lewis was inactive for 7 games at the beginning of 2012 and was on the active roster for 9 games but did not accumulate any stats in 3 of those games. Lewis did play and accumulate stats in the last 6 games of 2012, but his performances were nothing to get excited about...13 carries for 69 yds from the LOS, caught 2 passes for 24 yds and returned 1 KO for 33 yds.
It appears that Philly concluded that Dion Lewis would not be the threat in the NFL, that he was in college and felt they were getting a good deal, trading for Acho, even with him coming off the knee injury/surgery that kept him sidelined and on IR last season. Obviously the Eagles felt Lewis was expendable
Those who see Lewis as Josh Cribbs replacement might want to compare Lewis' performance in 2011 and 2012 to Cribbs performance in those years.
In 2011...
...Cribbs ranked 6th in the NFL in punt return average with a 11.4 average
...Cribbs ranked 10th in punt return yardage with 388 yds.
...Cribbs ranked 6th in Kickoff yardage, accumulating a total of 974 yds on 39 attempts.
...Cribbs average KO return was 25.0 yds per attempt, ranking him 12th in the NFL for 2011.
...Dion Lewis ranked 26th in the NFL in KO average per attempt with 21.6 average
...Lewis ranked 16th in kickoff yardage with 669 yds on 31 attempts.
...Lewis had no punt returns in 2011.
In 2012...
...Cribbs ranked 3rd in the NFL in kickoff return yardage with 1178 yds.
...Cribbs ranked 4th in the NFL in KO return average with 27.4 yd per attempt, with 78 yds being his longest KO return.
...Cribbs ranked 2nd in the NFL in punt return yardage with 457 yds on 38 attempts.
...Cribbs ranked 6th in the NFL in punt return average with 12.0 yds per attempt.
...Dion Lewis had 1 kickoff return for 33 yds in 2012 and no punt returns.
I believe most board members remember the Dion Lewis who was spectacular as a freshman RB at Pitt. But Lewis' sophomore performance showed a drastic drop off as he ran for 1061 yds in 12 games. I do wonder if injuries may have been a factor for Lewis' decline in performance during his soph. season.
Lewis' NFL performance mirrors his 2 yr college performance as he had a decent rookie season, but his performance in his 2nd NFL season was a disaster. It may be that injuries again played a roll in Lewis' 2nd NFL season performance.
The Eagles gave up on Lewis for some reason...I wonder if that reason is linked to Lewis' durability?
Will Dion Lewis be able to fill the shoes Josh Cribbs leaves behind?....Based on Lewis' NFL performance so far, I doubt that he can...Dion Lewis is no Josh Cribbs.
If Lewis ever returns to the form he exhibited as a freshman at Pitt, he could prove me wrong and I would have no problem admitting to being wrong about him...but I have concerns about his toughness and durability at 5-7, 193.
...we shall see.
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Well, that makes four RB's. Guess we have to draft one now to make the five....
Meanwhile, good fit or not, we just lost another linebacker. We need EIGHT at minimum. We don't even have a starting lineup yet.... We have a hole at one OLB position and we have a hole at ILB. That plus a serious lack of depth at the position is worrisome....So unless we intend on drafting nothing BUT linebackers, we better start bringing some in. The Cowboys are switching to a 4-3, why not make a trade with them? One of their backers for Hughes or Sheard? Or we can just run the 4-3 again and save ourselves the arduous task of yet again rebuilding the entire front seven.....
Browns claim linebacker Ryan Rau on waivers
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Ryan Rau, Greg McElroyAP
Another day, another one-time Eagle on his way to Cleveland.
The Browns announced Friday that they had successfully claimed linebacker Ryan Rau on waivers from Philadelphia. Rau was one of four Eagles players waived on Thursday.
Also on Thursday, the Eagles and Browns swapped players, with the Browns receiving running back Dion Lewis and the Eagles getting linebacker Emmanuel Acho.
Rau (6-1, 230) is a second-year pro from Portland State. He appeared in four games for the Eagles at the end of last season, notching two special-teams tackles. He likely projects inside in the Browns’ 3-4 scheme.
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like you said. doesn't matter if he is any good or not we got a linebacker.  no wonder you loved H&H so much. 
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The way I see it, we traded a player who didn't fit our scheme for a player that didn't fit their plans. It is a no cost trade that brings more competition to the position. IMO that is a good thing. I am liking the moves this FO is making.
I like many others love the big FA signings, but I also love the steady build up of the team that is happening. Many are upset that a FA CB or S has not been signed. Some actually are acting as if it is a failure by the FO. But many need to remember, that their are still many FAs available at S and CB. I think, that just as most teams are doing right now, the FO is concentrating on the draft. When the draft is complete, the picture will be much clearer. Then, if needed,I feel that they will sign the needed players.
It amazes me how many poster on this board seem to believe that this FO, and many before this one, can't see the teams needs as good as they can. I find it hilarious actually. I find it hard to believe that Banner and Lombardi would do anything but try to find the best players available to make the team better.
The approach they are taking has me optimistic. I've been fooled before, just like many others here, but I can't help but think positively, considering that this is not the Lerner Browns anymore. I truly believe Haslam and Banner are serious about building a long term winner.
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Another day, another one-time Eagle on his way to Cleveland.
The Browns announced Friday that they had successfully claimed linebacker Ryan Rau on waivers from Philadelphia. Rau was one of four Eagles players waived on Thursday.
Who was it that said this...
"It wouldn't be a Browns offseason if the new regime didn't make a trade with their old team.
Like clockwork."
I do believe it was "Rishuz" who was spot on...but the Browns are not only trading with Philly, we are taking their trash out, too!
LBer Ryan Rau from "Portland State" ?...never heard of it or him!...but he did have 3 tackles for the Eagles last season.
Maybe Banner had him in for a personal workout before the 2012 draft...but at 6-1, 230...he's a bit undersized to be nothing more than a special teamer. I wonder if this means he's a lock to make the team?
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Oh brother.
Here is a guy that Banner might be familiar with, who became available, and who will cost almost nothing to take a look at.
We traded away a LB who had no chance of making the team for a RB who might, or might not, have a chance of making the team. Then we signed a LB to replace the one we just traded away.
Big deal.
Geesh. This looks to be a very minor off-season move ...... the kind that teams make all the time, and that most people never even notice.
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Great post?  We gave up Acho, a never was and never will be for Lewis. Lewis might not excel, but so what? mac is acting like we gave up the farm for him and he is the savior. We gave up a guy who did nothing in the NFL and who did not fit the system. But, let me guess......it's another bad move by the FO? Freaking ridiculous bias.
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Oh brother.
Here is a guy that Banner might be familiar with, who became available, and who will cost almost nothing to take a look at.
We traded away a LB who had no chance of making the team for a RB who might, or might not, have a chance of making the team. Then we signed a LB to replace the one we just traded away.
Big deal.
Geesh. This looks to be a very minor off-season move ...... the kind that teams make all the time, and that most people never even notice.
It's proof that Halsam is no longer interested in the team and that bean counter Banner doesn't know what he's doing.
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Great post?
We gave up Acho, a never was and never will be for Lewis.
Lewis might not excel, but so what? mac is acting like we gave up the farm for him and he is the savior. We gave up a guy who did nothing in the NFL and who did not fit the system. But, let me guess......it's another bad move by the FO?
Freaking ridiculous bias.
Vers.. Acho was a superstar in waiting... surprised you didn't know that.
You know I am not a Lombardi fan and still harbor some doubts on Banner etal.. but good God does every move have to be panned?
We trade a guy who won't help us for one that MIGHT... a fair risk. We pick up a waiver guy and bring him to camp on a maybe.... he might bring something he might be one of the 40 cut in TC.... a fair risk.
Neither of these guys puts in the playoffs, neither of these guys sets us back 5 years...
If any player we bring in improves the 50th posiiton on the team.. it's an improvement.
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Yep. What I like about it is that we need a Sproles type back. Do you remember me posting that on the old Brown's board? This guy might not fit the bill for that role, but it's worth a shot---especially considering Acho didn't fit into our plans.
For everyone else--------I am NOT saying it is a great move. Not at all. But, it's a fairly smart move that might pan out.
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Great post?
We gave up Acho, a never was and never will be for Lewis.
Lewis might not excel, but so what? mac is acting like we gave up the farm for him and he is the savior. We gave up a guy who did nothing in the NFL and who did not fit the system. But, let me guess......it's another bad move by the FO?
Freaking ridiculous bias.
Dude....Seriously?!? 
Just reread the post I responded to. It doesn't say anything about Acho.
He makes a point that Dion Lewis was a superstar as a freshman then didn't follow it up.
I saw the same exact thing. He had a GREAT first year. Then he disappeared. For those hoping he's going to be a fine contributor on special teams he laid out a very rational argument while taking the time to lay out statistics that supported his case.
That's what the board is meant to be IMO and it's why I talk football here.
I may not agree with everyone but if someone takes the time to cogently put together a rational argument I'll read it and either agree or not and then reply or not.
I agree with him about Lewis. That's it.
Mac and I don't agree all the time but that was one case and he stated his case as well as I could have hoped.
Thus saving me the time and commending him on it.
If you want to PM me to continue the discussion I'm all ears.
But reread the post. And I'll be shocked if you don't do a 180.
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yeah you have touting a Sproles type back for some time...
I know the chances of this guy being that are very slim... meh what the hell take a flyer.
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Yes, seriously.
mac was painting a picture of Banner and company making another bad move. Perhaps you should reread his post.
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It is. And macasm is supposed to be in khaki.
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Well then we vehemently disagree.
In my opinion you need to dial your sensitivity meter down to DEFCON 2.
You are allowed to make the case that Dion Lewis may not make a great impact here.
I retread mac's post and my opinion holds.
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The Browns announced Friday that they had successfully claimed linebacker Ryan Rau on waivers from Philadelphia. Rau was one of four Eagles players waived on Thursday.
So we claimed the guy they replaced with Acho ? 
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Again, I don't know why people are so worried about this stuff at this point.
Teams bring in, and release, and churn through players constantly at this point in the off-season trying to find hidden gems and players who might excel in their offensive or defensive schemes, or even who might fill a role on special teams.
Whether or not people like Ventrone, Cribbs and Maiava, they were core special teams players. The have to be replaced. Not every player we pick up is going to be destined for a starting role.
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Just thought it sounded funny, is all. Just lower roster moves.
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Yep, just churning the bottom of the roster, looking for some hidden gem ..... or at least a guy who can contribute in some manner.
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This is how guys like Blake Costanzo and Josh Cribbs are found.
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This is how guys like Blake Costanzo and Josh Cribbs are found.
Yep.
Costanzo, Cribbs, Sorenson, Ventrone, Jason Wright, (who was still in the league last year) and others .... though those guys come to mind immediately.
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This is how guys like Blake Costanzo and Josh Cribbs are found.
Yeah, and you never really know if you got the next Cribbs. So doing due diligence on players is a wise move.. At this time of year, teams churn and burn players to find the diamonds..
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Yes, seriously.
mac was painting a picture of Banner and company making another bad move. Perhaps you should reread his post.
Vers...hopefully you can forgive me for not wearing a skirt and acting as a cheerleader of every move made by "beancounter Joe".
Rather than take everyone's word as fact, that Dion Lewis was this great pickup by our front office guru...I ignored the cheers and I took the time to dig into "the facts" as they relate to Lewis' on field performance....that is what you are upset about, I guess !
Seriously, I have doubts that Lewis has the toughness and durability needed to put up "Cribbs like" numbers as a punt/ko returner...and to be able to do so, year in and year out, as Cribbs did.
In his first two seasons in the NFL, Lewis's performance is no where near the Cribbs level.
It will be interesting to see if this move by Banner insures Lewis a spot on the team. Hopefully Lewis will prove his worth on the field and be able to return to running style most of us witnessed back in 2009 when Lewis was something special.
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Speaking of "on field performance", last I heard he was a RB and not a KR-only
In 36 career carries he rushed for 171yds for a 4.8ypc and 2 TDs
Hardesty has one career TD in 153 tries and had a 4.2ypc
TRich so far is a 3.5ypc runner in the NFL
I know it's s small sample size for ALL THREE, but I think it's safe to say that we added a competent RB to the mix and since that's his job, I'm pretty happy we added him. Everything else, like kick returns, are extras....I could care less if he's a crappy KR...try out some other UDFA, that's how we found Cribbs too
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Mac...again your facts are correct about Lewis - you actually show the truth but at the very end don't assess it in the summary.
Unlike some Bottom of the barrel NFL talent - Lewis actually has exceptional Football talent. Pure n simple High Reward at NO risk.
DJ...btw FA has risk cause not a one signs for league minimum until the 11th hour of the season maybe.  why I oughta...
Back to Mac. Did you have an opinion on the worth of this move? Good or bad...except that he is no Cribbs in your eyes...of course you are going strictly by limited stats n Cribbs btw happens to be one of the BEST ST players in NFL history.
His body has taken its toll. Wish Cribbs was who he was 4-5 years ago.  will always respect him as a Brown n what he gave of himself for the Browns!
Lewis...has a HEAD PROBLEM depicted by your observations of the stats n the little that you saw. He should have gotten faster n quicker with hard work...he did not work hard. Coming into the NFL - he didn't work hard he should have been in the low 4.4's at the combine at the least. As a pro...he didn't work hard slowly losing favor. His B.M.O.C. attitude coinciding with his immaturity n surrounding himself with bad influences. The talent is there. this we know. Can he fulfill Cribbs shoes circa 2013??? Most definitely. IF "IF" he has matured n willing to become the best he can be! Sometimes hitting the bottom can turn a kid around n make him a Man...many times it does not. That is what we have. Its not like we are putting all our eggs in his basket as the Answer to ANYTHING!!!
Now as for New guys dipping into their old neighborhoods with 2-3 guys. In our case its the bottom of the barrel that we hope can fight for a 43-53rd guy on our Roster n competing for that Roster. The work it would take to scour the entire NFL to get to the familiarity of these SAME TEAM players would take a year or two. So naturally there is a player or two that becomes available that doesn't require the in depth study to claim them. But all we know is that more than likely Banner remembers him as a Football Player minus a lot of SHORT OLYMPIC type skills that can be the over achiever to either EARN a spot on the roster (more than likely via ST) or at the least PUSH OTHERS to their extreme to earn that roster spot.
Granted if we spent a lot of tedious hours scouring the bottom of all teams barrels to gain the familiarity that we already have on ONE TEAMS actually we got 3 teams. Eagles, Cards, Panthers (oops 4 teams forgot Chargers  ) - Personnel would be next year before we can act. Its not like these moves, TE, LB, LB, RB gotten with the familiarity at minimal cost for different reasons different expectations. Are moves to Define us as a Team. Just guys that we KNOW can help the Process.
Why dawgs with every regime n I've been consistent n have stated a big what's the big deal dawgs! Its not to build a replica new guys have no imagination of WHAT THEY DID HAVE...its to build what they WANT TO HAVE n these are building pieces that they know they can trust to aid in the PROCESS!
I don't understand the OH NO the sky is falling general aura when we do this with each regime. Its sound n logical thinking.
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Again, I don't know why people are so worried about this stuff at this point.
I think they do it for a sense of balance.
Some posters jump on the bandwagon of how this RB may be "our Darren Sproles"! While the odds of that happening are slim to none.
So while I don't believe we really lost anything by trading of Acho, I believe some wish to make far more out of it than it really is.
At that point, you have someone like mac who gave some very good evidence of just how unlikely it is for Lewis to be much of a contributer.
Of course that was twisted into some kind of attack, which it wasn't. I don't think we really lost anything, but when looking at the evidence, it doesn't appear we really gained anything.
But I don't think it's odd for people to point out that not every move this FO makes is some kind of game changer like some try to make it out to be.
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Some posters jump on the bandwagon of how this RB may be "our Darren Sproles"! While the odds of that happening are slim to none.
I don't think anyone here expects him to have Darren Sproles-like impact. But he probably will play a very similar role here, hence the throwing around of Sproles' name.
I get what you're saying regarding "a sense of balance", though, and I do agree for the most part.
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Worst part about this move... there's no longer a need to take Barn Owl in the 5th. Man, these guys are just ruining my mock drafts... 
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3 pages on a guy who won't make the final 53. Oh lawd, this time of year. I don't even.
Why do you say that?
Norm and Chud both like to keep a lot of RBs.
If we can have Cribbs as a return specialist why not Lewis? Especially if he can actually contribute on offense.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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