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'Moon: CFL not option for Tim Tebow'

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9234640/warren-moon-tim-tebow-throwing-not-cut-cfl

ESPN.com news services

Updated: May 2, 2013, 1:58 PM ET

Hall of Famer Warren Moon said in a radio interview Wednesday that the Canadian Football League is not a viable option for Tim Tebow to prove he can play quarterback, as the former Heisman Trophy winner doesn't throw the ball well enough to play in the league.

"You have to be able to throw the ball up there, if anything. They throw the ball a lot. It's only three downs, so the passing game is much more important up there, and there's a lot more field to cover," Moon said in an interview with KILT-AM in Houston.

"If you can't throw the football, it doesn't matter where you play quarterback," he said. "You have to be able to throw it. That's his biggest problem, just being able to complete passes, be an accurate passer. I think he's a really good athlete playing the position, but I don't think that's enough sometimes."

Tebow cleared waivers on Tuesday after being released by the New York Jets. The Montreal Alouettes, who own his CFL rights, have said they would welcome Tebow to the league -- provided he's willing to compete for a job as a backup quarterback.

The CFL has been mentioned as a possible option for Tebow after quarterbacks like Moon, Doug Flutie and Jeff Garcia played the position in Canada and then went on to play in the NFL.

Moon said the difference between Tebow and him and Flutie is, "We knew how to throw the ball.

"We were very good passers. We didn't have to go up there to change our throwing motion. we didn't have to go up there to try and become more accurate," Moon said. "We just needed to get to the opportunity. Doug's was because of his height; mine was because of my color. So we went up there and proved ourselves."

Moon played six seasons in the CFL after going undrafted out of Washington in 1978, leading his Edmonton Eskimos to five consecutive Grey Cup titles, throwing for 21,228 yards with 144 touchdowns and 77 interceptions. In 17 NFL seasons, he threw for 49,325 yards, 291 touchdowns and 233 interceptions. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2006.

Moon said he thinks that if Tebow wants to continue playing in the NFL, he'll have to switch to another position. Moon told ESPN Radio's "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" on Monday, "I don't think it's going to happen at the quarterback position for him, at least not in the National Football League. You have to be able to throw the football before everything else happens.

"It's nice to be able to run the football in those read-keep options, but even the guys that are in the league right now, the Russell Wilsons, the RG IIIs … Colin Kaepernick, they can throw the football from the pocket with accuracy, and that just adds another element to their game. Tim doesn't have that pocket-passing ability to go with that other element that he has."

In Montreal, Anthony Calvillo is entrenched as Montreal's quarterback. Calvillo, 40, is entering his 20th CFL season and assesses his career on a year-to-year basis. That would leave Tebow to contend with former Boston College star Quinton Porter, a five-year CFL veteran, for the No. 2 spot.

"If Tim Tebow wants to come to Canada, we'd definitely welcome him," general manager Jim Popp said. "That's why we have him on our [negotiating] list, and we'd take a look at him and see if he can play in Canada, but it would obviously be competing for a backup job."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.



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I wonder if the CFL would have been a good option for him had Marc Trestman not taken the Bears job?

I understand what Moon is saying, but the competition up there is a lot worse, and that he may actually be able to develop. No team has the time to wait for a QB with horrible throwing mechanics, and pocket pressence, develop.

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"We just needed to get to the opportunity. Doug's was because of his height; mine was because of my color. So we went up there and proved ourselves."

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I'm not calling Moon a whiner.. but Doug Williams was the first QB selected that year so it wasn't all about his color. He probably should have been a midround draft pick but he had a very pedestrian junior year and a slightly above average senior year... it's not like he was putting up Dan Marino college numbers and nobody would take him.

I would say the bigger factor was that he ran the ball almost as much as he threw it.. and it was a different NFL in the late 70s,

J/k


Plain & simple....People hate Tebow because for what 5-7 years now the media has cramed him down our throats, all we wanna hear or see is our teams scores in the morning and we have to muddle thru 15-20 minutes of Tebow this...Tebow that every morning, Wanna hear some NFL news who signed a FA...coming up but first 20 minutes of why the Jets arnt starting Tedbow....Did the Indians win last night....coming up in 20 minutes after we talk about Tebow at the Jets trainng camp without a shirt on....

I dont think people dislike Tebow as a person, He's like a Kardashion we hear way to much and really dont care in the end. Media needs to realize not everybody lives thier lives thru others, some of us really dont care.

We dont dislike Tim, we like him but we dont need to know where he is every minute of the day or what he ate for lunch.

I think it's far more that people "hate continuing to hear about Tebow" than anything else. As you indicated, the media has made a circus out of it.

I don't wish him any ill will, in fact I think he's a good kid, much like McCoy. I just don't see a kid who throws around 50% as being any answer as a franchise QB.

But if there were any way to prove it one way or the other, I'd be willing to bet that his faith is very low on the reasoning as to anyone "hating Tebow".

JMHO

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But if there were any way to prove it one way or the other, I'd be willing to bet that his faith is very low on the reasoning as to anyone "hating Tebow".

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I don't think it was his faith, I think it was the way the media portrayed his faith and to some extent the way the faith community came out to tell everybody how great he was.

It's just like Jason Collins, if his media circus carried on long enough people would start to hold it against him (some already have), most wouldn't dislike him because he's gay, they would dislike him because they are tired of hearing that he's gay.

That's pretty much my take on it too DC.

It's ok I blame the media 90% and us 10%

I disagree with this, but i'm gonna post it anyhow:

'Tim Tebow blackballed by NFL teams because of cult-like following, media frenzy'

Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:49 AM EDT

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--tim-te...-054940389.html

As a journalist who has consistently experienced the wrath of Tebow Nation — mostly for passing along the slings and arrows voiced by various NFL players, coaches and talent-evaluators — I'm well aware that many devotees of the world's most celebrated unemployed quarterback carry a heavy persecution complex.
Yet as Tim Tebow's career wheezes to an underwhelming halt, with less apparent interest in his services than Massachusetts funeral parlors have in Tamerlan Tsarnaev's remains, something strange is happening. Against all odds, I'm starting to wonder whether the man who helped the Denver Broncos become one of the league's most stunning success stories in 2011 is getting unjustly blackballed.

Nine days after Tebow was released by the New York Jets, it has become increasingly clear that the ultra-popular quarterback who has hijacked many a news cycle has no viable landing spot. No NFL team seems to want him — as a starter, backup, converted H-back or fake-punt decoy — and it's not like he's fending off big-money offers from Canada, either.

Now, here's the interesting part: Tebowmania is at least partly to blame.

As much as prospective employers are wary of Tebow's flawed mechanics, much-maligned throwing motion or deficiencies when it comes to reading defenses, the incessant media and fan attention that accompanies his presence on the depth chart is an even bigger concern.

"He seems like a great guy to have on a team, and I'd be tempted to bring him in as our backup," one NFC head coach told me Wednesday. "But it's just not worth dealing with all the stuff that comes with it."

In a business in which coaches and general managers strive to avoid distractions, Tebow, as one NFC offensive coordinator told me last spring, carries more of a stigma than Terrell Owens.

Or, in the words of one AFC head coach to whom I spoke recently: "You don't want to put up with the circus."

Given that his presence in the Jets' locker room coincided with a Benzini Brothers-style disaster of a 2012 season — and provoked controversial comments from teammates on various sides of the Tebow vs. Mark Sanchez spectrum along the way — it's easy to understand why some teams are shying away from Tebow.

But all of them, in a league in which guys like Ryan Lindley, Chandler Harnish and Matt Blanchard have jobs?

[More: Tim Tebow tops Forbes' list of most influential athletes]

It's as if Tebow is the unwanted love child of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell.

So, even though I sort of understand why Tebow is toxic, the fact that he's not even being given a chance to compete for a third-string job is troublesome. And just as I feel compelled to call out the league when it comes to injustices like the dearth of minorities in offensive play-calling roles, the apparent blacklisting of a quarterback who went 7-4 as a starter in 2011 and won a memorable playoff game over the Pittsburgh Steelers doesn't seem kosher to me.

Tebow, by all accounts, is a hard worker who radiates a relentlessly positive attitude. He has obvious leadership qualities and, as Broncos fans, 2011 opponents and "Saturday Night Live" aficionados alike can attest, an uncanny knack for getting the stars to align in his favor. (Or, perhaps, his deep Christian faith really does translate into things like Marion Barber inexplicably running out of bounds in high altitude. After the weirdness I witnessed that season, I'm not ruling anything out.)

Clearly, even after shredding what was then the NFL's top-ranked defense for 316 passing yards in that Jan. 2012 playoff triumph, Tebow still has some serious refinement to do in order to bring his game to NFL-starter standards. That was evident in his final game with the Broncos, a lopsided playoff defeat to the New England Patriots.

What I can't understand is why no NFL team has enough faith in Tebow's upside to see if he's capable of pulling it off.

Since that defeat to the Patriots, the guy has been treated as dismissively as Kent Dorfman in the opening scene of "Animal House".

Broncos executive vice president John Elway couldn't wait to rid himself and his franchise of the Tebow phenomenon, using the pursuit of Peyton Manning as a means of solving that problem while, in his words, bringing "hope" to the locker room.

Jets coach Rex Ryan never seemed comfortable with Tebow, talking him up as a change-of-pace for struggling starter Sanchez and instilling him as the up-back on the punt team but essentially showing very little enthusiasm for giving him the ball.

"I don't understand what the Jets did," the AFC coach says. "You have to have a plan for him, but they had no idea what they were doing. I do think they were shocked how bad he looked in practice and in the preseason … how bad his accuracy was. But why make the trade for the guy if you're not clear on how to use his abilities?"

Isn't there a coach out there who can help Tebow get the most out of his abilities? Logic would suggest that someone with his level of commitment would be a strong candidate for improvement.

It may have already happened: After Tebow was released by the Jets, one of the franchise's former quarterbacks, Vinny Testaverde, expressed his disappointment to ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini. Testaverde, who had just spent a week working with Tebow in Florida, said he and another ex-NFL quarterback, Chris Weinke, made a key footwork adjustment that produced noticeable results.

"Chris and I looked at Tim careful and we were both amazed," Testaverde told Cimini. "Everybody has been focusing on his throwing motion, trying to fix that, but nobody had picked up his footwork. His footwork was all screwed up …

"We got his footwork fixed. His throwing motion is now a non-issue. He throws with what we call 'effortless power.' He doesn't have that elongated motion anymore and his head isn't moving two-and-a-half feet when he throws it."

Referring to the Jets' coaches, Testaverde added, "I think they would have been impressed if they had compared this year to last year."

Instead, Tebow is metaphorically throwing into the wind, and it's a cold, heartless squall.

The Jacksonville Jaguars, who'd expressed interest in trading for the local hero before the Jets made the deal with Denver last year, said "no thanks" more quickly than Phil Jackson turned down the Brooklyn Nets' coaching job. Instead, newly hired general manager Dave Caldwell decided to stick with the embattled Blaine (Don't Call Me "Blame") Gabbert.

First-year Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman, who told me in advance of the 2010 draft that "in the right environment… Tim Tebow can develop into being an elite quarterback in the NFL," apparently doesn't believe that Halas Hall qualifies — or couldn't convince general manager Phil Emery otherwise.

And while there's plenty of media chatter that Tebow could land with the Patriots (whose offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, was the man behind the Broncos' decision to draft Tebow in the first round), my organizational sources tell me that's very unlikely to happen, with one going so far as to say that Coach Bill Belichick "hates" Tebow as a player. As for the prospect of employing Tebow as a change-of-pace quarterback — and asking Tom Brady to come off the field in those situations — the source says, "No chance. Plus they wouldn't like the circus that comes with it."

Ah, yes — there's that word again. And, of course, it's highly regrettable that the excitement Tebow provokes has negatively impacted his ability to earn another opportunity to, you know, provoke more excitement.

The circus isn't Tebow's fault, though some former teammates have speculated as to the possible passive-aggressive nature of his actions, such as refusing to disavow a billboard clamoring for him to replace then-Broncos starter Kyle Orton.

And while many of Tebow's fervent supporters may, in fact, be well-meaning, folks like Florida attorney John Morgan — who recently created a video imploring the Jaguars to sign the quarterback — are actually doing him a disservice.

Can you hear the Tebowphiles, chanting in the background? All we are saying … is give Tim a chance.

And is it possible — scarily — that I'm singing along?

Right now, pro-football powerbrokers don't seem to be listening, and that's their prerogative. No man, even one as revered in some quarters as Tebow, has a divine right to wear an NFL uniform. This is a highly competitive sport, performed at its highest level, and players with strong credentials and promising starts to their careers get bounced out of the league with regularity.

This time, however, there's a glaring difference. In virtually every other case, the once-prominent player who washes out does so after flailing on the field, and/or getting into trouble off the field.

Since playing in a pair of playoff games 16 months ago, Tebow, whose only off-the-field baggage comes in the form of his cult-like following and the media frenzy it provokes, hasn't been afforded the opportunity to show that he sucks.

It's certainly possible that he's simply not up to NFL standards, and never will be, but wouldn't it be nice to get some conclusive proof before this story comes to a meek and unfulfilling close?

If you're a franchise like the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers or Carolina Panthers — teams with young, athletic quarterbacks who should absolutely feel secure in their starting roles — wouldn't you think about bringing in Tebow as a similarly mobile backup?

Something tells me that the people running these teams — like those in charge of 29 others — have already considered and rejected the possibility. That's not fair, but that seems to be the way it is.

And sadly, the persecution complex shared by so many of Tebow's fervent supporters seems to have become a self-fulfilling prophecy.


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Tim Tebow not a fit for Browns, GM Mike Lombardi says

By Dan Hanzus Around the League Writer

Published: May 13, 2013 at 01:52 p.m. Updated: May 13, 2013 at 07:45 p.m.

Michael Lombardi's level of autonomy within the Cleveland Browns is up for debate, but some aspects of a general manager job in the NFL are absolute.

For instance: The "Tim Tebow Question" cannot be avoided. Speaking at the Pro Football Hall of Fame Luncheon Club in Canton, Ohio on Monday, Lombardi called Tebow a "great kid," according to The Plain Dealer, but added the free-agent quarterback is "not the vision of where we're headed."

It's not a surprising revelation. The Browns appear to be committed to giving Brandon Weeden another year to prove himself. The Browns also signed veteran Jason Campbell in March, giving head coach Rob Chudzinski two quarterbacks with starting experience. Tebow only would serve to muddy the waters.

Regarding the quarterback situation, Lombardi said "everything's an evaluation." Lombardi believes Weeden will have "a great chance to succeed" under new offensive coordinator Norv Turner.

In non-quarterback news, Lombardi made it fairly clear that Josh Cribbs has played his final game on the Browns. The GM said the situation would need to be perfect for Cribbs to return to Cleveland.

Lombardi doesn't see the Browns as a team in the midst of a rebuild.

"We've got some pieces to compete with," Lombardi said. "We're not throwing away this season. I'm too competitive."

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Good, I definitely wouldn't want anything todo with Tebow'mania...

Jets QB roster just got slimmer, Garrard says his knee isn't holding up, and is quitting the Jets:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ites-knee-issue

Looks like we'll see Geno Smith day one after all!

j/c

Tim Tebow receives Arena League offer from Ron Jaworski

If Tim Tebow wants to play in the Arena Football League, "Jaws" would be waiting with open arms.

ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski told Philly.com that the AFL team he co-owns, the Philadelphia Soul, has offered a roster spot to the free-agent quarterback. While still waiting for Tebow's reply, Jaworski said, "I'd love to have him."

"I haven't heard back from him, and I'm not going to push it," Jaworski said. "If he decides he wants to play Arena Football, we'll make a spot for him."

The Soul are sticking with Dan Raudabaugh as their starting quarterback with the team's season in progress, but Jaworski said the team's head coach, former Arena League star QB Clint Dolezel, would be most interested in using Tebow to help them in subpackages around the goal line.

Jaworski also told Philly.com that the pace and style of Arena play would help Tebow strengthen his form as a passer.

"He would be forced to quicken it up in this league, and it would be good training for him," Jaworski said. "You can learn a lot in this league. It's about processing information and getting the ball out … or you get whacked."

It's been two weeks since the New York Jets whacked Tebow from their roster, and it's been hard for him to find NFL work so far. All kinds of alternative leagues have shown interest in him, partly for his popularity, partly over the intrigue of what he can do in a different kind of offense.

Tebow could pick a mentor a lot worse than Jaworski, a passing-game aficionado who was a tough and productive quarterback with the Philadelphia Eagles for 10 years.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/20...ul-broncos-jets

I don't know if Tim Tebow is going to have an NFL roster spot this year but if he is anywhere near as good as some people think he is, he should be able to go into the CFL or AFL and dominate.

If that doesn't happen, it's because he isn't that dedicated to football or he isn't good enough. There is no shortage of football teams out there who not only wouldn't mind the extra attention but would embrace it.

I have never questioned the guy's dedication or leadership. He has great intangibles. However dedication only takes you so far in professional sports.

He should seriously consider AFL. They rarely run the ball, but his team would never have a purpose of having a runningback on the field.

Look out Jags fans .......... because Chuck Norris says ........

Chuck Norris is a Tim Tebow fan, thinks Jaguars should sign Tebow - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on...should-sign-him

When presidential petitions don't work, there's only one route left to go: the Chuck Norris route.

The Tim Tebow-to-Jacksonville presidential petition was shot down in early May, but the fight to get the Jaguars to sign Tebow isn't over yet because Chuck Norris is now involved.

In a column on Newbusters.org, Norris -- the man who made the roundhouse kick famous -- calls Tebow an "ultimate clutch player" and says the Jacksonville Jaguars should sign him because Tebow could turn "that mediocre team into a championship one." Sounds like a line straight out of Sidekicks.

Here are a few excerpts from Norris' column:

I have been following Tim since he became a QB for the University of Florida Gators, and I never have seen a more determined or inspiring athlete to play the game of football. And I'm not alone in that sports assessment. ...

I've heard the critics say Tebow has poor technical skills, but the truth is that Tim is a natural leader, an amazingly gifted football player, an inspiration to his team and the possessor of intense determination and strategy to bring any team to victory — no matter what the odds. One can improve technique, but leadership is innate. That is why I believe that Tebow could be a superstar and legend in the NFL.

Chuck Norris cares not for technical skills. Besides that, the above paragraph also suggests Norris would last less than one season if he were an NFL general manager. He would draft a team of 11 Tebows on offense and 11 Rudys on defense. That team would then go 16-0 on intense determination alone.

Now for the important part of Norris' column. What team should Tebow play for?

So what team do I feel should give Tim the opportunity to excel as a quarterback and usher it to Super Bowl status?

My present pick would be the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Why? To put it simply, it's because Tim could help turn that mediocre team into a championship one. Tebow works miracles on the field, and his inclusion would embolden the spirit of the Jaguars' players and fans.

It's almost as if Norris channeled the spirit of Tebow himself to write that. He goes on:

So Shad Khan, who is the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, David Caldwell, who is the team's general manager, and coach Gus Bradley should give the preceding some serious thought. Whatever you would pay Tebow would be recouped tenfold by the increase in attendance and the fan base. With Tim as the QB for the Jacksonville Jaguars, the team would add thousands (if not tens of thousands) of additional fans to the stadium, including me — even though I don't live in Florida!
Chuck Norris fact: Chuck Norris is a Tim Tebow fan.




OK Jags ..... the ball's in your court. You don't want to make Chuck Norris angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.

The really funny thing is, the Jags can't fill the stands.. they don't win as they stand now so really, what do they have to lose bringing him in.

His presence will fill more seats and create a buzz. from a marketing standpoint, it's a good idea. From a football standpoint, ehh.. I honestly don't know.

I do know that if you put a Tebow friendly system in place, his teams win.

He is one of those rare people whose performance/results exceeds the sum of his talents. A classic "overachiever"...

I don't really see how the Jags do not look into him. They are not going anywhere this year anyways. Their attendance is lousy. Tebow would put people in the seats. From a marketing standpoint it's a no brainer. From a football standpoint, it can't be any worse then what they have at QB....

Plus, there's already a Built-In Backlash.

Tebow's camp admitting he is done in the NFL:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...one-in-the-nfl/

Proof not many NFL teams are interested in wildcat formations, cause that is all Tebow is really good at.

but... but... he's such a nice guy.


It's good to see an article that spells out - without pulling punches - exactly what so many have seen; that there isn't anything to see there.

Tebow wouldn't make a CFL practice squad.
I do think he would make a heck of a high school coach.

Super Bowl MVP.

Could you imagine having to watch, having to bear witness to that disgusting throwing form of his with the ungodly, godawful wind-up of his arm motion every Sunday? That is enough to drive a football man insane.

Tebow should start his own church similar to what Joel Osteen did. He'd probably make more money doing that rather than playing football.

NOT ONCE have I ever heard anyone say "I hate Tim Tebow because of his faith."

About ONE MILLION times I've heard people say "Other people hate Tim Tebow because of his faith."

It's just not true. The guy can't throw the ball at an NFL level. It's plain an simple. Is he a football player? heck yeah. Just the fact that he willed himself to a playoff victory not being able to do the main thing his position calls for is amazing.

He's also tough as nails and I (as do most) respect that. I just don't see how religion applies even one ounce to football other than those that LIKE his faith rallying around him.

And that includes me. Toughness + dedication usually makes a great football player. The problem is any team he's on his fans clamor for him to start and it's a media circus. I'd love to see him as a Wildcat QB somewhere, the Jets hardly used him, but due to his celebrity he's either all or nothing it seems. Maybe in a couple years if it dies down?