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Oh lord, help those who can not find their way !
PDR...the original quote from Vers is below for your reference.
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There are a multitude of threads on here where you are bashing "the bean counter" for not bringing in older players.
PDR... I wasn't criticizing the beancounter because he wasn't bringing in older players...I was criticizing Banner for his idiotic "30 and out rule" and not resigning our own players who are near 30 yrs or older....guys like Phil Dawson and Cribbs.
The examples concerning the Ravens was to show how crazy Banner's thinking is and had Ozzie Newsome used the same logic, not retaining the Ravens older players, it's very likely, they would never have won the Super Bowl.
Every example you show is related to Banner's idiotic thinking related to his "30 and out rule"...that goes back to his days in Philly.
The reference to D‹mervil...Banner didn't even try to sign Dumervil. Again, my criticizing of Banner was to show how dumb his "30 and out" rule is. I didn't see anything that claimed the Browns were trying to sign Dumervil, so how can I criticize Banner for not signing him?
PDR...nice try, but you are off the subject with these examples.
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PDR...the original quote from Vers is below for your reference.
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There are a multitude of threads on here where you are bashing "the bean counter" for not bringing in older players.
PDR... I wasn't criticizing the beancounter because he wasn't bringing in older players...I was criticizing Banner for his idiotic "30 and out rule" and not resigning our own players who are near 30 yrs or older....guys like Phil Dawson and Cribbs.
The examples concerning the Ravens was to show how crazy Banner's thinking is and had Ozzie Newsome used the same logic, not retaining the Ravens older players, it's very likely, they would never have won the Super Bowl.
Every example you show is related to Banner's idiotic thinking related to his "30 and out rule"...that goes back to his days in Philly.
The reference to Dumervil...Banner didn't even try to sign Dumervil. Again, my criticizing of Banner was to show how dumb his "30 and out" rule is. I didn't see anything that claimed the Browns were trying to sign Dumervil, so how can I criticize Banner for not signing him?
PDR...nice try, but you are off the subject with these examples.
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I saw a bunch of words, but all I read was "I was wrong". Why don't we have that popcorn eating smiley to use yet? 
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PDR...took me 30 seconds to post that... 
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Why oh why do we have so many posters at each other's throats lately? While it can be entertaining, it is counter-productive to sane football discussions...
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Why oh why do we have so many posters at each other's throats lately? While it can be entertaining, it is counter-productive to sane football discussions...
seems to be something that happens in the off season.
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It's probably because we have been losing so long. We get a group of guys who support one regime vs. a group of guys who dislike that regime. They argue. That regime is replaced and the regime bashing/defending groups switch. LOL......it's pretty funny if you think about it.
It's all fueled by consistent losing, though. There will always be arguing, but things won't be so ugly around here if we become consistent winners.
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Why oh why do we have so many posters at each other's throats lately? While it can be entertaining, it is counter-productive to sane football discussions...
32...in my case, my viewpoint is not in step with some of the other "more vocal" members of the board and that can lead to conflict..I'm not a follower of anyone....
I try to research those subjects I respond to...which, in many cases, leads me to support a different viewpoint than some of our more vocal board members.
Usually, I'm not the one starting with the insults, but I can give just as good as I get...if I choose to engage.
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Not talking about you, just following up your comment.
There seem to be some posters that are not happy with ANY regime and seem to enjoy bashing anyone and everyone. I would swear that some on this board have never made a positive comment about the Browns.
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To be fair, we have yet to have a regime that was able set up an organization that could consistently play anything approaching .500 football (much less contend for the playoffs). What exactly do Browns fans have to hang their hats on here? If/when we get a FO that successfully gets us past our expansion team status, THEN more people will be "happy" with the incumbent regime. As has been said many, many times on here: winning cures all. I just hope it happens before I'm planted. 
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LINK Justice to meet with Steelers, Browns By Matt Rybaltowski | CBSSports.com April 29, 2013 3:29 pm ET Neither the Cleveland Browns nor the Steelers did much to address their needs on the offensive line at last weekend's NFL Draft. The Browns waited until the seventh round before selecting an offensive lineman -- guard Garrett Gilkey of Chadron State -- while the Steelers avoided the position altogether. This week, both AFC North teams are scheduled to meet with Colts free-agent offensive tackle Winston Justice, Adam Schefter of ESPN reported. Justice, 28, started 12 games at right tackle for Indianapolis last season but missed four games with knee and biceps injuries. The former 2007 second-round pick was acquired by the Colts from the Eagles last March. Justice was deemed expendable by the Colts after the signing of former Lions tackle Gosder Cherilus last month. In 2012, Justice struggled in both pass protection and run blocking situations. The former USC offensive lineman ranked 32nd in pass blocking efficiency and 34th in run blocking efficiency among starting tackles, according to Pro Football Focus. Justice missed the 2011 season with a knee injury but had a strong season in 2010 when he ranked 13th in pass blocking efficiency. If signed by the Steelers, Justice would likely compete with Mike Adams for the starting right tackle spot. In 10 games last season, Adams allowed seven sacks in 497 snaps. Justice is scheduled to meet with Pittsburgh on Monday. In Cleveland, Justice would provide depth behind starting right tackle Mitchell Schwartz. In 16 starts in 2012, Schwartz allowed five sacks in 1,064 snaps. After meeting with the Steelers, Justice reportedly will visit with the Browns on Wednesday. The Browns have significant cap space available with more than $32 million under the cap, according to Spotrac.com. The Steelers, meanwhile, have only $1.745 million under the cap for the upcoming season.
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PDR...took me 30 seconds to post that...
Dude, do you really want to keep doing this? You're getting killed and you keep coming back....
Let's break it down....
You called Vers on the carpet, asking him to provide one example "where you are bashing "the bean counter" for not bringing in older players."
Several were provided. You attempted to squirm out of it with fuzzy logic. Your initial attempt to worm out of it was stating that you were talking about players re-signed, not free agents brought in. Your second claim was:
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The reference to Dumervil...Banner didn't even try to sign Dumervil. Again, my criticizing of Banner was to show how dumb his "30 and out" rule is. I didn't see anything that claimed the Browns were trying to sign Dumervil, so how can I criticize Banner for not signing him?
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Applying Banner's "30 and out" rule for signing veteran players, Dumerville at 29, was not about to be signed by Banner, the bean counter.
Now those teams that know what it takes to build a winning franchise, they have no problem going after a player of Dumerville's caliber. Ozzie Newsome is simply the best at evaluating and signing football players, regardless of their age.
Had Ozzie Newsome operated by Banner's 30 and out rule, the Ravens would have never won the Super Bowl.
You are saying in the above 'Teams that know how to build winners will go after Dumervil, but we won't, because he's older'.
If that's not an example of "bashing "the bean counter" for not bringing in older players", I don't know what is.
And, while we're at it - the '30 and out' rule that you constantly whine about isn't even a reality. It's something you made up in your head that you've convinced yourself is a reality.
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This may be one of the reasons..... Link
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Remember that time there was a 93 post discussion based on the presumed visit of Winston Justice? It was irrelevant. Quote:
Free-agent offensive tackle Winston Justice is not visiting the Browns today after all, a league source confirmed for the Beacon Journal.
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I thought it was about if mac was foolish for posting articles.
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I skip over any font color that has the color of urine so I have no clue what you are talking about.
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Winston will not be visiting Cleveland, thread/arguments can be ended: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...e-says-1.394194"Free-agent offensive tackle Winston Justice is not visiting the Browns today after all, a league source confirmed for the Beacon Journal."
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If only someone posted that exact same thing six minutes before you did! 
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Whoopsy! Nvm then, argue on! lol 
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Why?
Winston Justice plays RT...and not very good.
Oh, I see why now...he was first drafted by the Eagles...that splains it.
You don't build a roster "via the draft" by bringing in old veterans who are underperformers. Doing favors for your old players...finding a place on the roster so they can earn a paycheck...doesn't help the Browns
Develop the young guys who were DRAFTED BY THE BROWNS...
Man, you are so full of it!!!
There are a multitude of threads on here where you are bashing "the bean counter" for not bringing in older players.
First of all, He's not visiting the Browns, so Yay,
Secondly, the above Quote from Mac is Spot on! We've SEEN THIS BEFORE!
Butch Davis, brought in That bad 7th round right tackle from Miami University, and counted on him, for a year+. Butch, I think also had 3rd round runningback, from Miami University, James Jackson, for 2+ years too many, to contribute.
Romeo, probably brought in some players, he was familiar with, though I'm not 100% sure these are examples, but I think there were some. A linebacker, who I want to call Ted E Brewski, but I don't think that's right, and Ted Washington, and some players around that time, including the two free agents Offensive guards, Andruzzi , or Colman.
Hey Eric Mangini, and his Gm, (I forget), pulled of the freaking draft day Trade for giving up a top pick for a whole Load of Jets backups.
So We've seen this before, and we all know how that movie plays out, it is not the right way to build a winner, so hopefully we won't have to endure too much of that from the current managers. ( Though I admit a little bit is probably unavoidable)
Great point! ... and No matter what the Browns do, I hope they keep that in mind.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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This is the Willie McWinnest post of this thread.
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If we kept track of winning post THROW LONG would be the 1927 Yankees.
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mac...not looking to beat you up. Ya know I like you
But I am a little confused. Isn't Dummerville 29? how does he fit the 30 n over rule?
Possibly it was need/vs $$$ as it is now the position for Dummervilled to play is manned by our #6 draft pick a target of ours regardless of who we get in FA. But also Grove n Sheard. The possibility it just wasn't a fit for us???
Who knows what contact we had with Dummers agent. It could be a no don't bother situation. Maybe if nobody showed any interest they would consider a one year show me offer from us...then again they would have had Denver sign him.
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Oh oh...I post in Orange...now I know why you don't discuss with me...lol 
Justice not coming here...that's fine with me. Cousins is not that big of a deal...maybe one of the kids can beat him out. But JoeT has not missed a game n although just one year Schwartz hasn't missed a start either. To utilize a quote that does apply These guys play early n play long. We got our cornerstone - not saying to ignore depth. But need on the OL even with Pinkston 100% healed I think he can easily be upgraded on. Same w/Greco except for the fact he can play RT, LG, RG n C that has importance not as a starter but as a roster depth guy.
The back up for 2 guys that will play season in n out - or a link of the chain that can get upgraded on. I really liked the kid Thorton but lets face it the early run on OL OG n OTs just didn't leave much for real answers - I think we had an opportunity on the Thorton kid but that was a guy I personally liked - for mid-late round answer for us. I could have been wrong about him.
Gilkey will compete for LG??? for Back up Depth??? he can play RT n OG position. Also we got the kid from last year...who know what progress he can make. I didn't like him but who knows how much better he is - he has the size to back up RT which I believe he was until we had the injuries on the Interior (or injury I should say) .
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Ryan Millar. I believe he was drafted as an OG, but his physique seems more suitable as an OT. He did fill in briefly at LOG last year, and was dreadfull.
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Butch Davis, brought in That bad 7th round right tackle from Miami University, and counted on him, for a year+. Butch, I think also had 3rd round runningback, from Miami University, James Jackson, for 2+ years too many, to contribute.
Just to clarify...
Miami University is in Oxford, OH, and since our return, the only player we've had from that school is Travis Prentice.
The University of Miami is what you are referring to.
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Throw Long After enjoying many of your posts I can't help but be reminded of the amusing written works of Mr. Ted L. Nancy. He wrote some "Nutty" and "Even More Nutty," letters. Keep up the tremendous work
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Miller was getting most of his reps in camp at OT - in the Preseason game or two he actually was our LT (if I recollect) when the scrubeenies came in. It was after Pinkston had his injury that we needed more numbers for the Interior n he got more reps there and some playing time late in the season.
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