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Well well since you ignoired my post I see you slide back in without responding..typical.. Really, because we've heard rumors about Green, Schaub, Carr, Bledsoe, Testevarde, etc. But which of these guys is currently on the Browns and which of these guys did the Browns make a LEGIT offer for? I believe the answer is, zero.
And which of them did Phil say he was going to make up a contract for to get them to come in? Dang when the guys say they're going to bring someone in , some of you act blinder than a shrew.. 
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Perhaps it's me Tenn,, I must not be making any sense.
Ok, let me try this from another angle..
If a guy can stand in practice and throw a ball accuratly 60 yards down field,,, does he have an arm strength problem?
No, he does not!
Of course doing that in a game is quite different than doing it in practice...
What bugs the bejebbers out of me is when people say that Frye doesn't have good arm strength.,,, to me that's a crock of bull.. I've witnessed with my own eyes the exact example I just gave you,,,
He has the arm strength needed to compete in the NFL,, The question(s) I have about Charlie have nothing to do with arm strength, hand size etc etc... they center around the mental part of the game...
That is also why I'm not 100% convinced that Charlie is the guy yet. But that's also why I want to see him get another chance.. Sometimes guys get it on the mental side,,, sometimes the light just goes on one day,,, and Boom, you get a very good player..
I'm thinking that it will happen to Charlie. He works too darn hard between games and in the off season (that's if you chose to believe the reports) not to eventually get it..
But that's just me! and that's JMO..
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Attack,, which QB did the Browns make a legit offer too,,, did I miss something again 
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Did you not read where they said they were going to make up a contract to get Green in Berea?
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OH,, your talking about Green,... Yeah, I read a Mary Kay Cabot article just today that said they were working on a contract that would hopefully convince Green to come in for a VISIT.... The idea of which (again, according to the article) was that if he can get Green's foot in the door, his arm and the rest of him might follow. Kind of a funny way to put it, but that's what the article said.. Oh,, here's the link if you want to see for yourself.. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1175848812321660.xml&coll=2 Quote:
Browns gearing to lure Green
Friday, April 06, 2007Mary Kay CabotPlain Dealer Reporter
The Browns are apparently ready to step up their pursuit of Chiefs quarterback Trent Green.
Browns General Manager Phil Savage told WTAM AM/1100 on Thursday morning that the next step is to negotiate a "ballpark contract" for Green that would prompt him to want to come to Cleveland for a visit.
Green's agent, Jim Steiner, declined to comment Thursday night on possible negotiations - but also didn't deny that they've begun.
So far, Green, 36, has said he only wants to be traded to the Dolphins, who are also in the hunt. But Savage seems to think that if he can get Green's foot in the door, his arm and the rest of him might follow.
"The attraction for us would be we're gonna run a similar offense to where he has been," Savage said.
Green, who's under contract next season for $7.2 million, wants to be reunited in Miami with new head coach Cam Cameron, who coached him in Washington. But new Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski worked under Cameron the past two seasons in San Diego and will install a similar offense. What's more, the Dolphins are offering only a 7th-round pick and the Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick.
Savage also told WTAM that he's talked to quarterbacks Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson about his interest in Green and that a trade might not take place until draft day, April 28. Green worked out in the Chiefs' off-season program Thursday, but was mum on his situation.
Meanwhile, the Browns hosted two other hot quarterback prospects this week in LSU's JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame's Brady Quinn. Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson also visited the Browns facility. The three are being strongly considered by the Browns with their No. 3 overall pick in the draft.
Russell and Peterson were here on Wednesday, and Quinn arrived Wednesday evening and spent part of Thursday here as well.
If the Browns hope to land one of the quarterbacks, they might have to trade up to do so. It's widely believed that Russell, who's been attending Savage's football camps in their shared hometown of Mobile, Ala., since he was 14, will be picked No. 1 by the Oakland Raiders.
Adding intrigue to the situation is that Russell and Frye share the same agent, Eric Metz.
Two other top prospects, Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas and Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson, are not believed to have visits scheduled to Cleveland yet, but that doesn't preclude the Browns from drafting them.
To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:
mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
So, while they are working on a contract that will get him in for a visit, the real answer is,, they haven't signed any QB's at all,,, as of this moment! Right?
Articles like this seem to be reaching when I see stuff like this:
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Green, who's under contract next season for $7.2 million, wants to be reunited in Miami with new head coach Cam Cameron, who coached him in Washington. But new Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski worked under Cameron the past two seasons in San Diego and will install a similar offense.
That sounds a little like Mary Kay is reaching to add justification to her story,, don't know however,,,, it could end being the facts..
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Did you not read where they said they were going to make up a contract to get Green in Berea?
No.
Here's what I read
"The Browns are apparently ready to step up their pursuit of Chiefs quarterback Trent Green. Browns General Manager Phil Savage told WTAM AM/1100 on Thursday morning that the next step is to negotiate a "ballpark contract" for Green that would prompt him to want to come to Cleveland for a visit. Green's agent, Jim Steiner, declined to comment Thursday night on possible negotiations - but also didn't deny that they've begun.
Posted April 06, by Ben Maller"
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we have brought the 2 big guns at quarterback in for a private workout. We are exploring trade talks with the Chiefs for Green. D anderson has been gaining ground on Frye thats from the FO lips. We were looking into what it would take to bring Schaub here.There was also some reports that the Browns were gauging interest in trading Charlie.
Its not only looking like a duck and quacking like a duck but it has grown a large bill, sprouted feathers and grown webbed feet.
Erm..................I give up.
Is it a Cocker-Spaniel?
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Toad Toad Toad... it's perception,,, your perception vs mine... I don't perceive Chucks problems to be as severe as you... thus we have "The Great Divide"!
That's about the most sensical and honest part of our recent debates  You've taken all the other factors out and reduced it down to just Chuck. Not the line, not the system, not the team........just Chuck. You don't feel that his issues are as problematic as I do. I like the direction, hehe.
You've probably noticed that I tend to get frisky when I perceive that excuses are being made or denial is happening, hehehe. I can fully apreciate it when you say that you just don't see the same issues with Frye that I do.
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Perhaps, perhaps not,, but in either case, you aren't allowing for those deficiencies in your thinking of Frye either..
Honesty Toad,,, you are right about the whole "FAIR" thing,,, life is indeed unfair at times..
But does that mean, that we should NOT take other things into consideration when doleing out opinions on people, places and things? Of course not...
Agreed, wholeheartedly. I've gritted my teeth doing it, but I've felt the need to be fair when saying that despite my feelings on Frye, he hasn't been dealt a good hand. His offense has obviously slowed his progression rate. The line was bad and allowed him to get hurt, further forcing his growth backwards. The angle I'm coming from here (setting aside all the obvious twists and turns that are within the inherent nature of thread-talk, hehe) is that it really doesn't matter whether it's all fair or not. The reality of the situation is that while it's tougher to guage just how far Frye has come, and even tougher to predict how he'll turn out because of the circumstances, Frye's former coach is making excuses for him in the article, and that doesn't wash. If I were Frye I wouldn't want anyone making excuses for me. Then we get into all the talk about other QB's, which inevitably leads people like me  to point out that it appears the FO has cooled on Chuck, and are trying to go in a different direction if it's feasible.
I still want to see Frye play behind a good line. While I feel that he's a longshot, I see something in him that I never saw in Couch. I'd much rather build the team first and worry about the QB later, but I can't let my own personal desires influence how I perceive any given situation.
Sorry I didn't bring any witticism to this one. My humor button appears to be malfunctioning at the momen, hehe.
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I think we're on the same page. He I'm talking about great arm strength, I'm talking Brett Farve or John Elway. Teams drool over the cannon arms, buuuuuttt having the cannon arm doesn't automatically mean success ala Ryan Leaf. What it does mean is that the coach has a little less to worry about. The guy with the cannon arm has that ability to thread the needle between defenders. These are the guys you take time to develope.
If they have average arm strength, like Charlie, there is less potential. The QB must be more precise with the passes. Either they have it or they don't.
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That's about the most sensical and honest part of our recent debates You've taken all the other factors out and reduced it down to just Chuck. Not the line, not the system, not the team........just Chuck. You don't feel that his issues are as problematic as I do. I like the direction, hehe.
yeah,, Ok,, but the line did suck
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Agreed, wholeheartedly. I've gritted my teeth doing it, but I've felt the need to be fair when saying that despite my feelings on Frye, he hasn't been dealt a good hand. His offense has obviously slowed his progression rate.
Oh stop, your making me blush 
either that or your making excuses for Charlie now,,
Everyone,,,,LISTEN UP,, TOAD has switched sides,,, he's now a Frye Coddler ,,,,,, YEE HAAAAAA
Toad,, you do know I'm just busting on you don't you? 
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Everyone,,,,LISTEN UP,, TOAD has switched sides,,, he's now a Frye Coddler ,,,,,, YEE HAAAAAA
You mean he's a homer!
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Yeah, up next, I'm going to do a rain-dance with my Tim Couch bobblehead doll 
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I've got an old Couch jersey you can use.
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j/c: Two threads w/hundreds of posts and what has been proven? Neither side is changing their mind. I'm in the middle and I haven't changed my mind. Do you guys really think that all this brow beating and chest thumping is going to persuade anyone of anything? One thing to think about. What's it really matter who the quarterback is? Frye, Green, Anderson? The Browns have much deeper problems and changing QBs is not going to solve a damn thing. The quarterback position is only one of many areas on the team that needs upgraded. In fact, there are positions that are much weaker. I'll leave you w/a prediction that I actually made quite some time ago. We are in stage 3 of the 5 steps. After Charlie is run out of town and the Browns are still losing, RAC will be your next target. *L* That won't fix the problem either. Happy hunting.
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Do you guys really think that all this brow beating and chest thumping is going to persuade anyone of anything?
Heallllll NO! Everyone here is as hard headed as a rock,, if they would just listen to me the first time, the solution would be in place by the 10th post,,, Mine
Honestly, I gave up trying to convince anyone of anything a couple of minutes ago From now on, I'm just in it for the fun! 
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Sound logic can be applied to almost any scenario.
Maybe we want Thomas, maybe we want a qb....maybe we want a back.
I am 100% positive, without ant doubt that on draft day we will, guaranteed, draft a player at some position to play on our NFL team. He will have also played a college sport, highly likely - football.
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I am 100% positive, without ant doubt that on draft day we will, guaranteed, draft a player at some position to play on our NFL team. He will have also played a college sport, highly likely - football.
Where is your link,,,, you know you can't post rumors on here... We need a link other wise, it's just pure speculation on your part
Sometimes I just crack me up!
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One thing to think about. What's it really matter who the quarterback is? Frye, Green, Anderson? The Browns have much deeper problems and changing QBs is not going to solve a damn thing.
Named starting QB next to the record
1999 - 2-14 Detmer
2000 - 3-13 Couch
2001 - 7-9 Couch
2002 - 9-7 Couch PLAYOFFS
2003 - 5-11 Holcomb (QB change)
2004 - 4-12 Garcia (QB change)
2005 - 6-10 Dilfer (QB change)
2006 - 4-12 Frye (QB change)
Note: This has ZERO to do with Couch/Holcomb BS - this has to do with consistancy at QB (so the players know what the hell is going on and can develop a sense of chemistry). Notice - 3 years - same starter - playoffs. We haven't even had 2 years of the same starter since.
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Hey, Vers, did you see the4 grea expert from Boise say that EVERY WR rounds off roues and runs the wrong patterns and that has nothing to do with a QB's performance? I swear there should be an IQ test to post on the board to stop some of the ignroance. There is a difference between no agreeing with someone and making things up whole cloth to support your decision or out of plain ignorance.
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