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While I'd agree that Free Republic is very politically slanted, the article does cite an op-ed from the Wall Street Journal ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260113149028331.htmlWSJ is a credible source, IMO.
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Just an aside.... if you are involved in politics in any way, you should not be allowed to have a tax exempt status, period. JMO. The "social welfare" angle should be voided the moment politics comes into it in any way.
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Just an aside.... if you are involved in politics in any way, you should not be allowed to have a tax exempt status, period. JMO. The "social welfare" angle should be voided the moment politics comes into it in any way.
That would eliminate most of Obama's voting blocks.
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Just an aside.... if you are involved in politics in any way, you should not be allowed to have a tax exempt status, period. JMO. The "social welfare" angle should be voided the moment politics comes into it in any way.
Agreed.
Don't get me wrong - this stuff is actually very troubling, and very serious.
But the whole time this has gone on, I can't help but think, 'why do these groups even have tax exempt status?'
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That would eliminate most of Obama's voting blocks.
Not just his!
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While I'd agree that Free Republic is very politically slanted, the article does cite an op-ed from the Wall Street Journal ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260113149028331.html
WSJ is a credible source, IMO.
WSJ is a credible source, But you aren't talking news story, your talking Op Ed. a bit of a difference there.
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What if this was the IRS under he Bush admin going after Media Mattesr, Center for American Progress, and MoveOn.org, MSNBC, or any other left wing orgnaization? What would people like Mantis be saying then? Hmmm. . .
The exact same thing I'm saying now. I base my comments on reason, not on political party affiliation.
But since you brought it up, my political views tend to be conservative, but in the traditional sense, not in the anarchy2day, libertarian-conservative fusionist, Obama-liberal-Democrat hating, Ayn-Rand-worshipping sense.
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IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER - May. 10 11:32 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.
Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.
In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.
"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.
"The IRS would like to apologize for that," she added.
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice. She did not say when they found out.
Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.
The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.
Certain tax-exempt charitable groups can conduct political activities but it cannot be their primary activity.
IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress in March 2012 that the IRS was not targeting groups based on their political views.
"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman told a House Ways and Means subcommittee.
Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in November. President Barack Obama has yet to nominate a successor. The agency is now being run by acting Commissioner Steven Miller.
Well considering the ties between the Tea Party The KKK,Skinheads, and other Nazi sympathizing groups I can understand. You don't thing that liberal groups with ties to any Muslim groups get extra scrutiny?
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I'm asking earnestly... I have no 'gotcha!' in my back pocket.
I know. You are the last person I would expect a "gotcha!" from.
The difference is in degree, not kind. It's true, you can "conspire" with another person(s) to achieve some end. The end can even be secret and nefarious. At its most trivial, a conspiracy could involve something like a plot between you and your friend to break a curfew law. Is this the same as the 9/11 conspiracy? It would seem there has to be a difference between these two conspiracies and that we must make the distinction in language.
Now, I don't know how generally accepted this is, but I think "conspiracy theory" designates conspiracies on the 9/11 end of the spectrum, probably because of the general association of that term with that "conspiracy."
Notice also that a conspiracy has the connotation of being a fact whereas a conspiracy theory is something yet to be proved. In this case, there is technically conspiracy here in that some government employees conspired to target conservative groups. Notice that this is a fact, established by the story. So, this in itself should be the disqualification for a "conspiracy theory" type of story. The 9/11 conspiracy people think that is all fact, too, but the "facts" of that conspiracy lack credibility.
If "conspiracy theory" applies in this case, then what would the theory be? That there are government employees who dislike conservative groups and who abuse their power to give these conservative groups a hard time? Rather underwhelming, no? Even though two or more employees can "conspire" to achieve this end, it hardly amounts to much. Not unimportant, but no reason for paranoia.
Now, some people seem to be expecting it to amount to more. Government officials sometimes lie, this is true. But where we cross over from a conspiracy to a conspiracy theory is when we assume that, because sometimes government officials lie, therefore the government official in this specific case is lying and for the purpose of covering up a more significant plot. What that plot might be goes beyond the facts of the case, and so speculation is necessary to complete the theory.
Not everyone goes this far. Some people take the stance that, because government officials sometimes lie, skepticism is appropriate in all cases where the facts of a conspiracy have been uncovered. That's a reasonable position to take, but the line between skepticism and cynicism is fuzzy, and sometimes the skeptic takes up this position while giving a wink to the cynics. I think this describes some posters here, but that's just my opinion.
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Well considering the ties between the Tea Party The KKK,Skinheads, and other Nazi sympathizing groups I can understand. You don't thing that liberal groups with ties to any Muslim groups get extra scrutiny?
I believe the liberal/Muslim groups are safe under Obama's watch.
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From the Free Republic in 2009.
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That is strange for someone who expresses the same opinion as the ladies of the "View".
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Well considering the ties between the Tea Party The KKK,Skinheads, and other Nazi sympathizing groups I can understand. You don't thing that liberal groups with ties to any Muslim groups get extra scrutiny?
I believe the liberal/Muslim groups are safe under Obama's watch.
That's propaganda BS. As a government worker I receive an updated list every year of people and groups with suspected terrorist ties that as a state worker I must avoid. Probably 90% of them are Muslim sounding names or Muslin affiliated groups.
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Well considering the ties between the Tea Party The KKK,Skinheads, and other Nazi sympathizing groups I can understand.
This is BS. You can't provide one credible source linking the Tea Party to the KKK, Skinheads, or Nazi sympathizers. Think what you want, but stop making things up.
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Well considering the ties between the Tea Party The KKK,Skinheads, and other Nazi sympathizing groups I can understand. You don't thing that liberal groups with ties to any Muslim groups get extra scrutiny?
I believe the liberal/Muslim groups are safe under Obama's watch.
That's propaganda BS. As a government worker I receive an updated list every year of people and groups with suspected terrorist ties that as a state worker I must avoid. Probably 90% of them are Muslim sounding names or Muslin affiliated groups.
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Isn't that racial profiling? But then again, weren't our streets safer back when police did that? I don't remember picking up the paper and reading shots fired every morning back when police were allowed to stop anyone to keep the city safe.
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This is BS. You can't provide one credible source linking the Tea Party to the KKK, Skinheads, or Nazi sympathizers. Think what you want, but stop making things up.
Yes, you can.
But I'm hesitant to do so, as I don't really want to back King's point. I think it's a cheap shot, a narrow argument, and not indicative of the whole.
Why some of these groups have allowed these people to speak at their events is beyond me. One can only hope they were unaware at the time.
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But I'm hesitant to do so, as I don't really want to back King's point. I think it's a cheap shot, a narrow argument, and not indicative of the whole.
Why some of these groups have allowed these people to speak at their events is beyond me. One can only hope they were unaware at the time.
I appreciate your integrity, but feel free to post what you know. Your reply indicates that any link that you know of is "not indicative of the whole" ... nor could it, because the Tea Party is not particularly idealogical or partisan, although I believe it trends center-right politically. T-e-a stands for Taxed Enough Already, and that is their focus - not some wing-nut forum for racism or bigotry of any kind. Its unfortunate if someone like that got access to a microphone at one of their events, but any fair-minded, informed person knows that is not what the Tea Party is about.
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This is BS. You can't provide one credible source linking the Tea Party to the KKK, Skinheads, or Nazi sympathizers. Think what you want, but stop making things up.
I don't have to make things up. I was told by the Grand Dragon Wizard or whatever the hell he is called of the Ohio KKK the same exact thing at a Tea Party Rally in Ravenna, Ohio. I heard the president of the USA called the N word many times that day. Not by people in KK robes, or Nazi boots, but regular old every day looking small town folks with TEA party shirts and pins on. No, they don't represent the whole, but they sure seem to represent a sizable chunk of the TEA party.
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Why wasn't any IRS employee terminated?
When has government ever gotten smaller?
I have another question about this that could directly effect the Browns. That question is: Was Jimmy Haslam targeted because his brother is the Republican governor of Tennessee?
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From the Free Republic in 2009.
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Of course you didn't go to the link to the WSJ article, did you? Nevermind that the author is a professor of law at the University of Tennessee.
Here, I'll post it directly.
Tax Audits Are No Laughing Matter
May 18, 2009
A president shouldn't even joke about abusing IRS power.
By GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS
Barack Obama owes his presidency in no small part to the power of rhetoric. It's too bad he doesn't appreciate the damage that loose talk can do to America's tax system, even as exploding federal deficits make revenues more important than ever.
At his Arizona State University commencement speech last Wednesday, Mr. Obama noted that ASU had refused to grant him an honorary degree, citing his lack of experience, and the controversy this had caused. He then demonstrated ASU's point by remarking, "I really thought this was much ado about nothing, but I do think we all learned an important lesson. I learned never again to pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA brackets. . . . President [Michael] Crowe and the Board of Regents will soon learn all about being audited by the IRS."
Just a joke about the power of the presidency. Made by Jay Leno it might have been funny. But as told by Mr. Obama, the actual president of the United States, it's hard to see the humor. Surely he's aware that other presidents, most notably Richard Nixon, have abused the power of the Internal Revenue Service to harass their political opponents. But that abuse generated a powerful backlash and with good reason. Should the IRS come to be seen as just a bunch of enforcers for whoever is in political power, the result would be an enormous loss of legitimacy for the tax system.
Our income-tax system is based on voluntary compliance and honest reporting by citizens. It couldn't possibly function if most people decided to cheat. Sure, the system is backed up by the dreaded IRS audit. But the threat is, while not exactly hollow, limited: The IRS can't audit more than a tiny fraction of taxpayers. If Americans started acting like Italians, who famously see tax evasion as a national pastime, the system would collapse.
One reason why Americans don't act like Italians is that they see the income-tax system as basically fair in execution. A tax audit or a tax-fraud prosecution is still seen, usually, as evidence that someone has done something wrong. If it comes instead to be seen as "just politics" then the moral component of the system will be gone. For the system to work, people have to believe that it is fundamentally fair.
This is why the IRS is so strict with its own employees. Paul Caron, a professor at the University of Cincinnati who writes the TaxProf blog, noted in response to Mr. Obama's remarks that the law calls for the termination of IRS employees who make audit threats for illegitimate reasons. He suggested that Mr. Obama's "joke" might be grounds for firing if he were an IRS employee.
He's not, of course, but as the president his words carry much more weight and he should be much more careful. That's particularly true given that people still haven't forgotten about the Obama administration's other tax issues -- the appointment of Tim Geithner as Treasury secretary despite an inexcusable failure to pay $34,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes while working for the International Monetary Fund, and the scandals involving Tom Daschle and others whose appointments failed. (When the Geithner issue came up, news reports indicated that IRS employees were very upset. They can be fired over a simple late filing or a failure to report a mere $500 in income, making Mr. Geithner's "pass" on much more serious questions quite demoralizing.)
The notion that people who are audited are probably just "enemies of the regime," coupled with the idea that big shots get a pass -- that, as Leona Helmsley is reputed to have said, "taxes are for the little people" -- is a recipe for widespread tax evasion. That's how things work in Italy, and in many other countries around the world. But do we want things to work that way here?
Mr. Obama has been accused of not appreciating the importance of financial capital to the proper functioning of the economy. But ill-chosen remarks like his ASU audit threat suggest that he also doesn't appreciate the role of moral capital. That, too, is essential to the proper functioning of a modern economy. As he looks for ways to pay for the spending campaign he's already embarked upon, he'd be well-advised to avoid comments that undercut the very tax system he'll be depending on.
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That is strange for someone who expresses the same opinion as the ladies of the "View".
What the hell are you talking about?
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Probably referring to you jumping to Obama's defense at every opportunity. They do the same thing.
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NRTU Collins says IRS revelations will fuel government distrustMay 12th, 2013 09:58 AM ET Posted by CNN's Kevin Liptak (CNN) – President Barack Obama should personally condemn the Internal Revenue Service for putting extra scrutiny on conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, Sen. Susan Collins said Sunday. The Maine Republican said the disclosure that a government agency would go after groups with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names would only add to a growing sense of mistrust Americans have in their government. She was one of a number of Republicans who blasted the IRS on Sunday's talk shows. "This is truly outrageous. And it contributes to the profound distrust that the American people have in government. It is absolutely chilling that the IRS was singling out conservative groups for extra review. And I think that it's very disappointing that the president hasn't personally condemned this and spoken out," Collins told CNN chief political correspondent Candy Crowley on "State of the Union." Obama spokesman Jay Carney said Saturday the president believes the government should be staffed with "the very best public servants with the highest levels of integrity" and that "based on recent media reports, (the president) is concerned that the conduct of a small number of Internal Revenue Service employees may have fallen short of that standard." That doesn't go far enough for Collins, who said "the president needs to make crystal clear that this is totally unacceptable in America." Rep. Mike Rogers, who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, called for a full investigation of the IRS' practices, something Republicans and Democrats have said is necessary after learning of the conservative targeting. "I don't care if you're a conservative, a liberal, a Democrat or a Republican, this should send a chill up your spine," Rogers said on "Fox News Sunday." A congressional investigation would probe who knew what and when, Rep. Darrell Issa told CNN Sunday. Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight. "The fact is if you're doing something and it's wrong, it's illegal, it's the kind of thing that scares the American people to their core, when Americans are being targeted for audits based on their political beliefs, that needs to change," he said. Collins questioned the IRS assertion that only a small group of its employees were responsible for the targeting of conservative groups, and wondered why a similar screening process wasn't established for groups with "progressive" in their names. And she pointed to new reports indicating senior IRS officials were aware of the targeting of conservative groups beginning in 2011, saying those officials should have taken disciplinary action against the employees involved. "You would think that the high level IRS supervisors would have rushed to make this public, fired the employees involved and apologize to the American people and informed Congress. None of that happened in a timely way," she said.
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How do you have a conspiracy about something that is fact? The government admited to auditing companies based on their political affiliation. Then they attempted to make excuses for it.
Because as has been pointed out, there are two distinctly different definitions of "conspiracy"... there is the legal definition of multiple people plotting to commit a crime.. that, by definition is a conspiracy...
Then you have the more popular, commonly used definition of conspiracy, which is that no matter what happens in government, some want to always envision that we don't have all of the information, that it goes a lot higher in the chain than we have been told, etc..
This is sure sounds like it is a conspiracy by the legal definition, how high it goes or who was involved is yet to be determined, if it is ever determined at all..
Like if I said that I think the administration knows its about to get hammered on Benghazi, so they threw this out there to eat up news as a sacrificial lamb.. heck everybody hates the IRS any way so let's say some low level people did it and detract attention (this is one that I've heard recently)... that is a "conspiracy theory"..
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Probably referring to you jumping to Obama's defense at every opportunity. They do the same thing.
Bull,, I'm for fairness in reporting. Nothing more, nothing less.
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How do you have a conspiracy about something that is fact? The government admited to auditing companies based on their political affiliation. Then they attempted to make excuses for it.
Because as has been pointed out, there are two distinctly different definitions of "conspiracy"... there is the legal definition of multiple people plotting to commit a crime.. that, by definition is a conspiracy...
Then you have the more popular, commonly used definition of conspiracy, which is that no matter what happens in government, some want to always envision that we don't have all of the information, that it goes a lot higher in the chain than we have been told, etc..
This is sure sounds like it is a conspiracy by the legal definition, how high it goes or who was involved is yet to be determined, if it is ever determined at all..
Like if I said that I think the administration knows its about to get hammered on Benghazi, so they threw this out there to eat up news as a sacrificial lamb.. heck everybody hates the IRS any way so let's say some low level people did it and detract attention (this is one that I've heard recently)... that is a "conspiracy theory"..
"Conspiracy" vs. "Conspiracy Theory"
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It all makes sense now...
Obama had the IRS investigate rich folks like Jimmy Haslam
Flying J gets raided to hurt the Browns because Obama doesnt like Condoleezza Rice and she is a Browns fan.
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Obama had the IRS investigate rich folks like Jimmy Haslam
Flying J gets raided to hurt the Browns because Obama doesnt like Condoleezza Rice and she is a Browns fan.
Dang,, thanks for connecting the dots for me..., 
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Flying J gets raided to hurt the Browns because Obama doesnt like Condoleezza Rice and she is a Browns fan.
Dang,, thanks for connecting the dots for me...,
Don't forget that Jimmy Haslam's brother is the Republican Governor of Tennessee ...... 
I don't think that the 2 events are connected ..... however, making light of one doesn't mean that the other was somehow less serious. It really is a frightening abuse of power.
Imagine if the IRS, under a Republican, had targeted Black Churches, and were using their non-profit status s a hammer to keep them quiet during the election, while allowing others to speak freely.
What the IRS did to Conservative groups is really no different.
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Using an arm of the government to affect & influence ANY political process is completely abhorrent, and I don't mean to go all "hyperbole" here, but it is very much akin to what the Brownshirts did in late 1930's Germany. I'm NOT calling anyone Nazis', I'm just stating that this is that level of "bad" on that whole Good-Bad scale.
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Obama had the IRS investigate rich folks like Jimmy Haslam
Flying J gets raided to hurt the Browns because Obama doesnt like Condoleezza Rice and she is a Browns fan.
Dang,, thanks for connecting the dots for me...,
Don't forget that Jimmy Haslam's brother is the Republican Governor of Tennessee ......
I don't think that the 2 events are connected ..... however, making light of one doesn't mean that the other was somehow less serious. It really is a frightening abuse of power.
Imagine if the IRS, under a Republican, had targeted Black Churches, and were using their non-profit status s a hammer to keep them quiet during the election, while allowing others to speak freely.
What the IRS did to Conservative groups is really no different.
Oh you mean like trying to put roadblocks in the way of lower income people because they are more likely to be Obama supporters? and then admitting it, and laughing about it? Bet they had a good chuckle about it later at their cross burning.
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Oh you mean like trying to put roadblocks in the way of lower income people because they are more likely to be Obama supporters? and then admitting it, and laughing about it? Bet they had a good chuckle about it later at their cross burning.
Who did that? I would find that equally abhorent... the cross burning comment seems a bit out of line unless it really is part of the story, which I gather from your "I bet..." that it not, it's just you editorializing... which does nothing to further your point.
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Oh you mean like trying to put roadblocks in the way of lower income people because they are more likely to be Obama supporters? and then admitting it, and laughing about it? Bet they had a good chuckle about it later at their cross burning.
Who did that? I would find that equally abhorent... the cross burning comment seems a bit out of line unless it really is part of the story, which I gather from your "I bet..." that it not, it's just you editorializing... which does nothing to further your point.
Your right, it was not necessary and lent nothing to my point. Just me being a douche Can we get banned for calling ourselves a name??
I will have to look it up, I am pretty sure it was a guy from PA. Cant remember if it was a state legislator, or The Governor.
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Just clicking This falls under the heading of FWIW. to those that hate Obama, this will get laughed at, to those that support him, they will say, see, he didn't have any thing to do with it. Take your pick Quote:
Obama slams IRS targeting
Associated Press business staff By Associated Press business staff
on May 13, 2013 at 12:26 PM, updated May 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Barack Obama calls IRS focus on conservative groups 'outrageous,' says people 'properly concerned'
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Monday called reports that the Internal Revenue Service targeted conservative groups "outrageous" and said anyone responsible should be held accountable. He pushed back strongly against fresh Republican criticism of the administration's handling of last year's deadly Benghazi attacks, calling it a "political sideshow."
The president was dogged by the persisting political controversies as he tended to diplomatic duties during a visit with British Prime Minister David Cameron.
Obama acknowledged that people are properly concerned about acknowledgements from the IRS that conservative political groups were targeted during the 2012 campaign to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. But he angrily dismissed continued questions over September's insurgent attack in Libya that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
"There's no there there," Obama said.
"The fact that this keeps on getting churned up, frankly, has a whole lot to do with political motivations," he said.
Cameron and Obama had a meeting in the Oval Office before appearing before the media in the East Room to take questions.
The two leaders said they had discussed several pressing international issues, including the Mideast peace process, trade and preparations for a coming summit of the world's leading industrial nations in Northern Ireland. They said they were committed to working together to keep pressure on Syria's President Bashar Assad and assist the opposition in a protracted civil war. Cameron said, "There is no more urgent international task."
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This falls under the heading of FWIW. to those that hate Obama, this will get laughed at, to those that support him, they will say, see, he didn't have any thing to do with it.
Take your pick
Or people will read/hear what he says and compare that to his stance on Benghazi...and conclude that they can't believe a word he says if there is any chance that he might look bad from it.
Nixon lost all credibility through Watergate. Obama's transgression in Benghazi makes Watergate look like a typo.
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