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Does a QB talent evaluator get any worse than Lombardi?
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savage? H&H?
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Dwight Clark and Carmen.?
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kwhip...thanks for the read.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath at these minute by minute accounts of OTAs in shorts with no hitting.
The real football starts when the pads go on and the contact begins.
Also, once again we find our Browns in a position of learning a new scheme on offense and defense. Players are forced to think before they react and until they get enough reps to think and react simultaneously, timing will be an issue.
New guys learning a new system...young veterans learning a new position...it's going to take some time before the defense is up to speed. Hopefully the coaching staff is up to the task of "teaching".
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kwhip...thanks for the read.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath at these minute by minute accounts of OTAs in shorts with no hitting.
The real football starts when the pads go on and the contact begins.
Also, once again we find our Browns in a position of learning a new scheme on offense and defense. Players are forced to think before they react and until they get enough reps to think and react simultaneously, timing will be an issue.
New guys learning a new system...young veterans learning a new position...it's going to take some time before the defense is up to speed. Hopefully the coaching staff is up to the task of "teaching".
That's true, but if it means nothing, then why even have the OTAs? Truth is, they do mean something.
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Problem being, we hear the same positive BS every year with the same disappointing results in the end.
It's not that they mean nothing because there is some purpose to them. But to try to take away any news from them and trying to translate them to the actual season is a pipe dream.
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They do mean something, just not anything that you can take and project out to the regular season with. Heck, probably nothing that you can even project as far as training camp.
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Not picking on you Pit...I actually just read with a fine tooth comb everything that you write.
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True every year there are always high expectations. But the disappointments of many years n many regimes. With high expectations n then negative results. Just doesn't mean it will happen year after year. I mean heck even the Red Sox won a World Series again (Babe Ruth Curse). I just cannot logically have a football discussion with the vast majority of your opinion being. We Suck cause We always Suck and Always Will Suck. And that is the way it is until we Don't SUCK...lol 
For an optimist that is like Sacrilege!
Yes New Regime.
Yes New O New D new coaches.
There will be snafu's because of the new systems - no doubt in my mind.
I see a very good chance for Continuity - we never had a System here for more than 4 years.
I see for the first time where our foundation was not Overhauled regarding Players.
I sync with that I see for the first time a new regime taking over with a solid Foundation set with Drafted/UDFA players.
I see for the first time a new regime inheriting n building on a strength of the LOS w/OL n D7.
Yes there is more struggles that will occur from the "NEW" than some optimists presume.
But nowhere is this our past NEW REGIMES. Its the first time that 3 years is expected for a Finished product. I too find it hard to believe that we can win a Championship without a Super Star QB...we will see what we have n what we can get.
But I cannot agree that we cannot look at this as a positive growth process ONLY Cause in the past we thought/hoped so n it did not come to fruition.
That is like the MOTHER of ALL PROFILING.
However I understand your frustration...n just cause you are negative it does not mean us positive fans don't feel the same frustration as you!
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My assertions were more about the mini-camp articles. I don't feel a few days early on in shorts really tells you anything in regards to the season. I mean there have been years even during the pre-season where we looked good with a good record but stunk it up during the regular season. My point was trying to read anything into anything as it pertains to our teams success during the mini-camps, and to a great extent during the pre-season is quite pre-mature. But yes Tab, I believe that a team sucks in its play until it doesn't suck anymore. 
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Well, The Big Show and Reach Heckert brought in:
--A washed-up Jake Delhomme
--The cancer that was Seneca Wallace
--Noodle-armed Colt McCoy
--And Brandon Weeden, who is old, football dumb, didn't fit their offense, and the only amount of "it" he has is if you add it to a consonant blend.
I would say that is worse, wouldn't you?
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My assertions were more about the mini-camp articles. I don't feel a few days early on in shorts really tells you anything in regards to the season.
Not picking on you. A lot of people saying similar things. But, I think it's pretty darn discouraging when your first round QB is indecisive and inaccurate in freaking OTA's.
How the heck is he going to get better when he is facing live bullets? 
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I think it's pretty discouraging when your first round QB is indecisive and inaccurate in freaking OTA's.
How the heck is he going to get better when he is facing live bullets?
Not to argue, but, If memory serves me right, Every Qb the team drafted, since Kosar, has had very similar things said after the first week of OTA's, even before they started calling it OTA's.
And I mean specifically, Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, .. and Now Weeden.
Ok, I'm used to hearing it by now.
I am not refering to, specifically, Garcia, Dilfer, Testaverde, Delhomme, or Anderson, I don't remember them being called inaccurate and indecisive after the first week of OTA's.
It wouldn't speak well to the hopes for a 2 minute offense which the Browns haven't seemed to be able to put together for a LONG time now!
And it is discouraging!  YippEE!
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Not to argue, but, If memory serves me right, Every Qb the team drafted, since Kosar, has had very similar things said after the first week of OTA's, even before they started calling it OTA's.
And I mean specifically, Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, .. and Now Weeden.
What? I am not sure I get your point. Of course, I really never do get your points.
Couch, Frye, McCoy, and Quinn all sucked.
So, exactly what is your point?
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No one in the division has near the OL we have but we have to upgrade to be competitive? I don't get it.
I think the Bengals have a much better OL than the Browns, the last time I checked, ( a full year ago at least) , top to bottom and plus depth.
I'll admit I don't know what I'm talking about and may be wrong But! If I had to argue for the Browns having a better OL than the Bengals, I wouldn't know where to start.
I'm ignorant on the current state of the Ravens OL. I understand the Steelers are in the middle of having health troubles and attrition on their OL, over the last 2 and a half years, and don't have as good an OL as the Browns, But!
The Browns OL doesn't have success vs Pitt's D, so there's always room for an upgrade.
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I am EXTREMELY excited to see our pass rush this season. Sheard, Mingo, Kruger, Phil T, Rubin & Winn... everyone always fresh? Oh yeah... It could be very scary. Good stuff. 
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Not going to go into some big Debate thing regarding QB...its been done in the past n never comes out Rosey...lol
I'm just going to sit back n let you make the negative comments about Weeden so you can eat Crow on it later this season...And we both know you will ENJOY DOING SO 
I wouldn't however put so much faith in the assessments of BOZOs n what they think they see regarding QB. One guy said Campbell looked better n every Nation wide Bozo picked up on it n started reporting it as FACT. Now they listen to Norv's presser n they back track on their previous statements on Weeden vs Campbell.
I know he will be comfortable in this O...I know he will be light years better than last season. I know that Norv said one very important thing about Weeden...He has the arm n accuracy to connect on the deep routes but what has impressed Norv is the accuracy of the Short underneath passes. To me that means worse case scenario he is as good as DA but add in when teams play two safeties n more zone he can accurately hit the underneath short routes. I do have concerns similar to you on Does he have that "IT" factor to give us possible CHAMPIONSHIPS...not just get into the playoffs n Romo us to nowhere!
As always JMHO n looking forward to the progress of our QB.
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Anyone else concerned about TRich?
Already out with a shin injury ... had an MRI ... and likely to miss the upcoming mini camp.
Not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but he has been nothing but hurt ... banged up ... since he was drafted.
Chud is using words like "precautionary". Not buying it.
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It's nothing to worry about until it's something to worry about.
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Concerned...Yes Worried...not really.
What can you do with injuries. If you have to depend on one guy for impact regarding the RB position. You will be going nowhere as a team. We can be a good-great team with or without Trent here. It has to do with the System we need as an offense to win the Air Game we need on D to yes stop the run but need to Win the Air game.
If we have a dependable Offensive system it can be successful with Trent (our best choice) or Hardesty or even Ogb n Jackson.
Injuries are going to happen I will not be worried about it. It would be a shame...Shin splints could come from over work in his training regimen??? We'll see how it heals over time. Hopefully its gone by Camp.
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I think Lombardi is behind this. HATES Heckert picks....
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I think Lombardi is behind this. HATES Heckert picks....
Changes made for change sake, out of spite, or carrying a grudge with the previous regime, has no place on our team. I would believe (and expect) that Banner/Lombardi are above this...
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I think Lombardi is behind this. HATES Heckert picks....
Changes made for change sake, out of spite, or carrying a grudge with the previous regime, has no place on our team. I would believe (and expect) that Banner/Lombardi are above this...
I think for the most part, they are above that, 32. Personally, Banner more than Lombardi. I really think Lombardi wants to try and make his mark BACK INTO the NFL no matter the cost, because if he doesn't make it this time around, he'll never get another chance...so there is that to consider. Whatever transpires to make that "stamp" is still in its infantile stages. But I still think, largely, the "stamp" is the Banner stamp. I'm sure most in the NFL see it that way too.
Besides, so many of those early draft picks are still under relatively long-tern contracts and, right now, not worth releasing until the FO/coaches see how they perform in the 3-4 and new offense.
It's far too early to see how they truly feel about Heckert picks (at least the early ones) and I expect we would know more next offseason. Of the earliest Heckert picks, I would hope they re-up Haden and Ward. Much time is still left with the other guys. Not sure how they feel about Lava Man yet.....
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Anyone else concerned about TRich?
Already out with a shin injury ... had an MRI ... and likely to miss the upcoming mini camp.
Not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but he has been nothing but hurt ... banged up ... since he was drafted.
Chud is using words like "precautionary". Not buying it.
so what exactly are you saying? That he tore something?
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Not to argue, but, If memory serves me right, Every Qb the team drafted, since Kosar, has had very similar things said after the first week of OTA's, even before they started calling it OTA's.
And I mean specifically, Couch, Frye, McCoy, Quinn, .. and Now Weeden.
What? I am not sure I get your point. Of course, I really never do get your points.
Couch, Frye, McCoy, and Quinn all sucked.
So, exactly what is your point?
vers, let me ask you something....lets say haden makes the probowl and is the corner we think he can be. Trich also becomes a probowler, Gordan becomes a deep threat, which he already is really. Little becomes a excellent number 2, guys like gipson and billy winn and john hughes are all productive memebrs of this team, Mitchel Schwartz becomes a dam good rRTlike i think he will. If all these things happen...will you give heckert some credit....or keep hating him because you fired your beloved mangini????
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Any New news from OTA's? I thought they were going on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/05/cleveland_browns_trent_richard_25.htmlCleveland Browns' Trent Richardson may miss June minicamp: OTAs news and notes BEREA, Ohio - Trent Richardson sat out organized team activities today with a pulled muscle in his shin and might also miss the Browns' mandatory minicamp June 4-6, coach Rob Chudzinski said. "It's precautionary,'' Chudzinski said. "We're holding him out. We've got minicamp in a week and a half. He may miss that. I'm not sure. We'll take it day-by-day.'' The Browns are being extra cautious with their second-year running back because of the injuries he battled through last season. He initially underwent a arthroscopic procedure on his left knee in February of 2012, a few months before the draft. He then had a second scope on the same knee a few weeks into training camp, on Aug. 9, to remove a loose piece of cartilage and sat out all four preseason games. Richardson worked to be ready for the opener Sept. 9 against the Eagles, but wasn't 100 percent at the start of the season. Then, he broke two or three ribs in Week 6 against the Bengals, and was limited the following week to eight yards on eight carries in Indianapolis. After the season, he revealed that he played much of the year in excruciating pain and had difficulty breathing and sleeping. Chudzinski recently said that Richardson has looked faster in practice than he did on tape. Problem is, he practices so hard that the risk for injury is high. The Browns want to get him to the season healthy, so they'll err on the side of caution. Other key players around the league already have been lost to major injuries in organized team activities this preseason such as 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree with a torn Achilles; and Chargers linebacker Melvin Ingram with a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Currently, the Browns have running backs Montario Hardesty, Chris Ogbonnaya, Dion Lewis, Brandon Jackson and Miguel Maysonet, who was awarded off waivers this week from Philadelphia. Hardesty took the first-team reps today in Richardson's absence and Lewis also saw plenty of action. • Tight end Jordan Cameron also sat out the session, with a groin injury. "Same thing,'' said Chudzinski. "We're being more precautionary with these type of things. Again, we'll have to wait and see.'' • Defensive end Desmond Bryant, who was arrested in March and charged with misdemeanor criminal mischief, was absent to take care of a legal matter, Chudzinski said. He participated in the first two days of OTAs this week. • Outside linebackers Paul Kruger and Jabaal Sheard swapped sides this week, with Kruger working on the right and Sheard on the left, where he started at end the past two seasons. "We're working them a little bit on both sides,'' Chudzinski said, "and you've seen that with a lot of players out here. We're working them multiple sides. It gives us a chance to work them there in case you need to down the road and just see guys from different sides.'' • Chudzinski on backup quarterback Brian Hoyer: "Having a guy who's had some experience and has been around NFL teams, it helps. It's early. He's learning. He's picked things up quickly and he has a good feel. He's had experience, he has a good arm and a good sense for playing and we'll work him here and get more of a look at it.'' • Chudzinski on the current QB depth chart: "They'll be 1, 2 and 3 (Weeden, Jason Campbell and Hoyer).'' • Chudzinski on waiving Thad Lewis: "We don't necessarily need a fourth (QB). We need reps and we need guys to get reps, and especially with a new offense right now, so three is a good number for us.''
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Yes. Paul Zimmerman who said the Dolphins should not have taken Dan Marino.
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i have a feeling jordan cameron will be hurt most of the season like he was last year if memory serves me right.......
I could easily be wrong, but thought the only time Cameron was "injured" was due to a concussion towards the final weeks of last season. Other than that, he was just behind the depth chart w/ Watson & Smith getting a few snaps here 'n there.
This is his time to shine or fail for him. I really like his athletic ability, not sure about the blocking. But then again, Aaron Hernandez never had the blocking ability either.....
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I think Lombardi is behind this. HATES Heckert picks....
Changes made for change sake, out of spite, or carrying a grudge with the previous regime, has nÇ place on our team. I would believe (and expect) that Banner/Lombardi are above this...
What are you guys even talking about? Seriously? I can't figure it out.
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vers, let me ask you something....lets say haden makes the probowl and is the corner we think he can be. Trich also becomes a probowler, Gordan becomes a deep threat, which he already is really. Little becomes a excellent number 2, guys like gipson and billy winn and john hughes are all productive memebrs of this team, Mitchel Schwartz becomes a dam good rRTlike i think he will. If all these things happen...will you give heckert some credit....or keep hating him because you fired your beloved mangini????
That is a lot of ifs, Slick.
And what will it take for you to stop bad-mouthing the new regime because they fired your beloved H and H? Heck, they haven't even played a game yet, never mind three seasons and you rip them mercilessly.
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What are you guys even talking about? Seriously? I can't figure it out.
If my memory serves me right, I believe the reference was to getting rid of Thad and bringing in Hoyer who supposedly is a favorite of Lombardi...
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Let me get this right?
You think he replaced Lewis w/Hoyer because he had a grudge against Heckert and Holmgren? You think he did it out of spite? Or, am I misreading you?
You do realize that we released guys like Vickers for Maracic and gave Haag a job after we didn't want any part of Mike Adams---who started for Denver, right? Why didn't you say anything about those moves?
Seems to me that a lot of posters on this board are the ones w/the grudge and saying things out of spite.
But, that's just me. Which leads me to contemplate just how much I disagree w/the majority on a plethora of topics. Not just this year, but every year. Timid, Leon, Brady, Butch, Big Money, Big Baby, The Big Show, Collins, Junior, etc, etc. And some still get incredulous every time I don't agree w/the majority. LOL
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Not my original post, Vers. Just answering your question...
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I think Lombardi is behind this. HATES Heckert picks....
Changds made for change sake, out of spite, or carrying a grudge with the previous regime, has no place on our team. I would believe (and expect) that Banner/Lombardi are above this...
I was joking. How could Lombardi be behind Trent's injury?
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I thought you were joking, but then things changed. I couldn't quite follow it. Thought I missed something.
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