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j/c Josh Gordon: Cleveland Browns' air show will shock NFL The Cleveland Browns were a slow-motion car wreck on offense last season, but new coach Rob Chudzinski has promised to flip the script with a wide-open passing game. Second-year receiver Josh Gordon has already seen a difference. "Defenses will be shocked to say the least with how much we're running downfield," Gordon said, per the Akron Beacon Journal. "I've never ran this much as a wide receiver ever in my life, and that's a good thing. And not just me, everyone from the slot guys to running backs, everyone's got passing plays in the system." We mentioned the Browns this week as one of five teams set for wholesale changes on offense. Coordinator Norv Turner prefers an aggressive passing attack that challenges defenses with deep strikes downfield, which certainly sounds unlike anything we've seen out of Cleveland in recent days. The pressing question comes at quarterback, where second-year starter Brandon Weeden struggled to make a difference last season. Weeden obviously is a better fit for a shotgun-oriented attack than last year's precision-based West Coast outfit. Still, without better decision-making, it won't matter what Weeden's receivers are doing. Gordon's promising rookie season is a source of optimism. So is one of the NFL's better offensive lines. And it doesn't hurt that Cleveland has committed to replacing a predictable, sleep-inducing scheme with an attack-style offense, but until we see production from under center, it's all talk. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-will-shock-nfl
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Not trying to really enter the fray here, but what you can do is look at a QB's tendendcies and look at his strengths and weaknesses.
There are many areas Weeden needs to improve in. Some may be helped by the system he's in and some may not.
I don't think a change in systems solves everything. It could be his second year, with his rookie year under his belt, will help a lot in some areas that a system change simply can't. That remains to be seen.
But from what I've gathered, many posters don't believe a system change alone will make Weeden that go to QB you need in the NFL today.
To me, the evidence is still out to a great degree, but until Weeden shows he can do the job, I have a very hard time trying to justify that a system change alone will do the job.
Like most on here, I hope Weeden turns out to be a great QB for our Browns. But after watching him last year and what I saw, I'm in the "seeing is believieng crowd".
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Gordon's promising rookie season is a source of optimism. So is one of the NFL's better offensive lines. And it doesn't hurt that Cleveland has committed to replacing a predictable, sleep-inducing scheme with an attack-style offense, but until we see production from under center, it's all talk.
That's it in a nutshell.
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Weeden has everything going his way. It is just a matter of Weeden having the talent to not be a burden to what is a very promising roster.
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Weeden has everything going his way. It is just a matter of Weeden having the talent to not be a burden to what is a very promising roster.
yea. the perfect storm. FO desperate. the next draft no good QBs. the new FO saying what we going to do about QB?
I see what you mean about "It is just a matter of Weeden having the talent to not be a burden to what is a very promising roster."
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I see a top 5 maybe top 3 OL, solid stable of running backs led by Trent, dynamic group of receivers, hall of fame quality offensive coordinator and I think one of the most brilliant offensive minds in football leading the team in Chud. Now he is going to be in a vertical offensive where you are going to be in the gun or in a 5 and 7 step drop.
I mean seriously, what more does a QB need to be successful? If you answered talent, then you answered correctly lol.
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I'm going to have to go with top 3 OLINE in the NFL. We got plenty of young/old guys to try out to fulfill the guard positions with the best player and our tackles and center are solid foundations.
Norv's long range passing attack "should" give plenty of time for the play the develop and should get rid of all these 8+ man fronts our offense sees to let Trent and company run wild. You're dead-on, Weeden needs to stop choking, be consistent and show to us his talent level is ample enough to be a nfl starter. Will Brandon be riding the bench before or around midseason, or will he be tearing it up in this offense and using that so-called long range cannon to excel in Norv's schemes. Either or, it's on him.
The staff has done nothing but give the QB position the weapons it needs to tear it up. Stable oline, mix of young/veteran WR's (Bess was such a solid addition) - we will surely see.
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While I have serious concerns about Weeden's skill set, I think we need to be careful here when assessing our offensive talent.
Our OL is very, very good. Top 3? I don't know....but probably top 5 for sure.
Our WRs are questionable. Yes, Bess was a huge addition. However, Gordon and Little--while they have potential--have not really proven anything yet.
Our RB came in w/a lot of hype, but he seems to be injury prone and was indecisive last year. He hasn't proven much.
Our TEs are extremely unproven and are a huge question mark.
All of those units could develop into being good, but right now--the OL is the only unit that is good.
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While I have serious concerns about Weeden's skill set, I think we need to be careful here when assessing our offensive talent.
Our OL is very, very good. Top 3? I don't know....but probably top 5 for sure.
Either way the pie gets sliced on this one, the offensive line shouldn't be a concern at all.
Our WRs are questionable. Yes, Bess was a huge addition. However, Gordon and Little--while they have potential--have not really proven anything yet.
Little came on last season after his so-called "locker room speech". He threw some monsterous blocks, made some great catches, and he crossed the middle with zero fear. Gordon has a 800+ yard season being a rookie and operating in a very .-poor offensive scheme with a very, . -poor play caller. I'm not saying they "proved" to be godlike, but I think there is more credit to be given then what it seem you're willing to hand-out to those two. JMO of course.
Our RB came in w/a lot of hype, but he seems to be injury prone and was indecisive last year. He hasn't proven much.
I'll agree with you 75% on this one. Injury prone and etc. But he ran against 8 man fronts a lot, with the rib issue and blah blah. If he could get/stay healthy, and we can find a way to let defenses not stack the box so much and again operating under the no-concern about the o-line assumption - any RB including him going to have good yardage games. I am going to agree about his indecisiveness. He needs to stop the dancing, no questions.
Our TEs are extremely unproven and are a huge question mark.
No doubt. I figured the FO would be a little more active in assuring us this position. At the very least I'd have been satisifed if they retained Watson, but it is what it is. Curious how Norv is going to use Jordan and the TE position in general.
All of those units could develop into being good, but right now--the OL is the only unit that is good.
My replies in yellow. Valid points all around though.
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But man, it is in this very thread.
Obviously missed it - I don't get a chance to read everything as I don't get to a computer often enough. Thanks but if you read what I wrote it doesn't change a single point of view.
Just we are rotating the 3 a lot. Studying just what...I find it very odd only because you cannot judge OL from OTA's. Not one bit except if they understand their duties in a walk through. Footwork against GHOSTs don't help...Footwork against live action. Getting explosion off the ball...cannot be evaluated. Winning battles, etc. etc. so so much that you just cannot evaluate as in assessing a "Competition". But I know for you its GRECO is in and its the competition between Pinkston n Lava. Me Lava is in n competition is between Pinkston n Greco...I'm sure there's a dawg or two who think its Pinkston...lol
Training Camp...where the hitting Starts, will tell us a lot more!
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but until we see production from under center, it's all talk.
Very true but it doesn't mean the other way either. We Suck only till we suck in the Offense seen on the field. You cannot speculate with NEGATIVITY n state that is speculation that is REALISTIC. Then state anything POSITIVE is total False/Hope/Fantasy until we see it on the field.
Lets keep it real - Negative is no more a fact in our SPECULATIONS of what is to come. It is ALL SPECULATION. Negative n Positive alike. Just because our Sad Sack History the last 13 years have turned up NEGATIVE...it doesn't mean all NEGATIVE SPECULATION is FACT/REALISTIC. Its just SAD  not real.
JMHO n my speculation is just as REALISTIC as the NEGATRONS 
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I am not as sold on Bess as many on here but man Little really turned it on down the stretch. My harshest criticism of Weeden is because Little was beating everyone and the ball wasnt coming his way. When it did, he caught it.
Gordon was horribly out of shape and until he just wore down completely he was a hoss. I am excited to see what this kid can do now that he is looking like a freaking beast. Seriously, look at the pics of Gordon, he is looking like TO.
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About the Browns... 1. Greg Little has been one of the most impressive players in the minicamps. The Browns are excited about how he has embraced the new offense and performed in downfield passing schemes. The new coaches know Little is a tough guy who likes to block, doesn't miss games and his skills will translate once they actually start tackling. 2. Little led the team with 53 catches last season. He had 11 in the first five games, along with four drops. He seemed to be falling out of favor, then finished with 42 catches in the final 11 games -- dropping two. It was a significant step forward in his second season. 3. Little did lead the team with six drops; Josh Gordon and Trent Richardson had five each. Owen Marecic dropped all four passes thrown to him. 4. Marecic is still on the roster, but offensive coordinator Norv Turner rarely uses pure fullbacks. He loves formations with two tight ends. They have been pleased with Jordan Cameron, because the former Division I basketball player can run and catch the ball. But last season, he had some minor injuries and is out with a pulled groin. Durability will be the key. 5. Gary Barnidge (signed from Carolina) is rated as a good blocking tight end. They think he can do a little more as a receiver. Kellen Davis (signed from Chicago) is another strong blocker. He had eight drops in 2012 compared to 19 receptions. Brad Smelley may find a role, because the former Alabama H-back is a good receiver. He caught 34 passes as a senior in 2011. 6. Travis Benjamin has surprised the staff with his sure hands. He may be the fastest player on the team and has been viewed as a punt returner. He did catch 18 passes last season, averaging 16.6 yards and two touchdowns. Turner is having some fun figuring out how to utilize his speed. 7. Lots of passes are being thrown to running backs. Montario Hardesty has done a good job, which is a surprise because he has dropped passes in the regular season. Newcomer Dion Lewis also looks good as a receiver. Trent Richardson caught 51 passes last season, showing good hands. 8. Richardson is out with a leg injury. Every year, Hardesty has to prove he can stay healthy. Those injury histories led the Browns to bring back Brandon Jackson. He is a good receiver, and his contract is not guaranteed. Chris Ogbonnaya also has impressed with his overall play. 9. When the Browns see veterans such as Brian Hoyer or Jackson available and the price is right, they will sign them -- especially if they are under 30. They believe some players here had a sense of entitlement, so adding a few new faces raises the level of competition. 10. While Hoyer doesn't have the strong arm that the Browns would prefer, they like his quick release, leadership skills and attitude. They view Brandon Weeden/Jason Campbell/Hoyer as an upgrade over Weeden/Colt McCoy/Thad Lewis. web page By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer Follow on Twitter on May 25, 2013 at 11:56 PM
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Wow. I mean, seriously. Wow.
Where did it say that? (or am I blind?  )
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Wow. I mean, seriously. Wow.
Where did it say that? (or am I blind? )
3. Little did lead the team with six drops; Josh Gordon and Trent Richardson had five each. Owen Marecic dropped all four passes thrown to him.
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I guess you answered my question, lol.
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Owen Marecic dropped all four passes thrown to him. Is he still a Brown??????? 
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I guess the only positive: at least we didn't throw to him a 5th time.
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Yeah, pretty bad. He was supposed to be a "complete FB" (and man I hated that pick) who could catch, run, and block. He struggles in all 3 areas. He was a decent special teams player, but that was about it.
His "improved" receiving accounted for 5 catches in 2011, (with probably 2 drops, IIRC) and then 0 catches with 4 drops last year. Pretty amazing that he probably had more drops than catches in his career.
Vickers, who we dumped for Marecic, because he "couldn't catch the ball", had 13 receptions for the Cowboys last year.
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He struggles in all 3 areas.
He really does. I saw him make a nice hit on special teams 2 years ago, but he ended up with a concussion.
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Obviously missed it - I don't get a chance to read everything as I don't get to a computer often enough. Thanks but if you read what I wrote it doesn't change a single point of view.
No problem. Just pointed it out so you don't go around repeating that quote of your over and over and people actually believe it.
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They are both ready to stud out.
Perhaps? Perhaps not?
I think in this era of The Combine and highlights on multiple channels, many fans get caught up in measurables.
There is more to playing WR than height, weight, speed, jumping ability, etc. There are things that are really important, such as running the correct route, running precise routes, finding holes in zone coverages, making hot reads, making sight adjustments, making catches in traffic, etc.
Listen, I am not saying those guys won't be good............but, they aren't good yet and it's questionable if they will actually become good WRs.
I do find it humorous though that you don't like Bess. Wow!
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you don't go around repeating that quote of your over and over and people actually believe it.
Why insult me like that??? As if that is what I do.
It was a simple mistake that HAD NOT ONE REAL BEARING ON THE POINT OF MY POST...which was OL competition in OTA's as in there isn't ONE. That is what I will say OVER n OVER again so that dawgs will actually believe it! Smh... sad.
Please debate/discuss with me. Don't insult me cause I don't agree with you.
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