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I have kinda come around to the idea that we should take McLemore if we stay at #1. He's not a need, but he is probably the best player in the draft, has the best NBA body, and has skills that directly translate to the NBA. A 3 Guard rotation of Irving/Waiters/McLemore would be awfully impressive. We might be able to trade up to 13 and still be able to add a capable big, or maybe a pure scorer SF like Muhammed. He's not my first choice in many ways, but if we could move to 13, and grab him there, then he might be worth a chance.
I don't like the idea of drafting McLemore, at least not at #1, and especially not for the Cavs. He is pretty much a pure shooting guard. By that I mean he isn't a great ballhandler, and is too small to guard a lot of small forwards in the NBA. Those types of guys normally just turn out to be role players. The great SGs like Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Harden etc. could create for themselves at ease and pick up point duties as needed (Waiters is also kind of in this mold, although obviously younger/not nearly as accomplished as any of them.)
Some SGs (including Jordan and Kobe) can also play SF as needed or in small-ball lineups. This is becoming a lot more common in the league today. I just can't see any situation where Kyrie, Dion, and McLemore could really be on the court together. And neither Dion nor McLemore have the size to defend SFs.
Team needs and lineup fits aside, I just think Otto Porter is a better prospect. He is taller, younger, and better at most things (rebounding, steals, blocks, slightly higher usage but slightly worse efficiency.)
I am still leaning towards Noel, but Porter is kind of my contingency plan. I want the Cavs to pick one of those two guys, and I think the Cavs will pick one of those two guys.
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I couldn't even tell you who I thought BPA was. This draft may be the complete opposite of top heavy, but it's fascinating.
I don't want to limit this draft, but man we really need to come out of this with a big and a 3. I'm kinda with a lot of you that with #1 CG should just go with his top guy regardless of his position. Worry about a logjam later on.
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i don't think we necessarily need a SF out of the draft. seem to be alot of guys available there(trade, FA). but, we definitely need one by October.
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I would take Mclemore slightly over Olidipo. I think Ben has the highest upside, and could give you 20 a night. His intangibles are in question, he's very young guy, so who knows if he could handle so much responsability at such a young age. I love Olidipo's intangibles and athleticism. Seen him a lot in big 10 play, and the guys just seems to improve each and every time. He's not dwayne wade on offense, but given time, I think he could average 15 to 18 a game, and be a great 2 way player.
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Porter is more of a high floor, low ceiling type. He does a lot of things pretty well, but he's not great at anything. I just don't see that kind of player as a #1 overall, and if we didn't have a black hole at SF, no one would even suggest him there.
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It seems like McLemore and Oladipo are "safe" picks. When you're at #1, I don't think safe should really come that much into play. You have your choice of any eligible amateur player, don't limit yourself.
Tough call tomorrow.
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thanks for explaining your reasoning.
I worry with McLemore that he doesn't create enough for himself. I do think he can play defense and obviously, he can shoot. So, he'll definitely have a role in the NBA. I'm just a bit worried with him that his role will be a 4th or 5th best player on a team role. I could be wrong and he could shatter those doubts like Drummond started to last year.
if Oladipo was a SF, then I'd be all over him. I like SGs to be able to shoot better. He has such great athleticism and seems like a great character guy too. I'd rather have MKG (those notes that floated out last night were such a tease!), but I woudn't be upset if we took Oladipo.
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I think he has that ability. Not saying he will do it every year, but his shot and athleticism, should allow him to score on a consistent basis, if he's willing to put the time in.
I think I came off a little more argumentative than I should have, which wasn't my intention. I just wanted to point out that saying a guard can give you 20 points a night is putting him in Westbrook, Wade, Curry, Irving, Harden, Parker, Rose territory.
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I was waiting to see John Hollinger's breakdown of the NBA draft on ESPN ... but apparently he got hired by the Memphis Grizzlies a few months ago as VP of Operations! How the heck did I miss that!?!
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Has this rumor been mentioned yet and I missed it?
I saw something about the #1 pick to New Orleans for Grevis Vasquez, #6 pick and 2014 first rounder.
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Vasquez is somewhat of a combo Guard, isn't he?
I just looked him up, and he averaged 13.9 PPG, 9 APG, and 4.3 RPG in his 3rd season. Why would New Orleans give him up? He's also big enough, at 6'6" to be a good defender.
Trading the #1 pick in this draft for Vasquez, the #6 pick, and a 2014 1st rounder would seem to me to be a no brainer. I just don't know why New Orleans would do that ...... unless they love Burke to the point that they are completely unwilling to take the chance that he makes t to 6. (which seems to me to be at least a 50/50 proposition .... if not better)
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Trading the #1 pick in this draft for Vasquez, the #6 pick, and a 2014 1st rounder would seem to me to be a no brainer. I just don't know why New Orleans would do that ...... unless they love Burke to the point that they are completely unwilling to take the chance that he makes t to 6. (which seems to me to be at least a 50/50 proposition .... if not better)
Would they try to recreate the Twin Towers (Duncan and Robinson) in Noel and Davis?
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Maybe .... but there is a huge difference between Robinson and Noel.
That could well be their thought process but man that leaves a gaping hole at PG. They already have a decent, if not spectacular, twosome at C, that gives them almost 20 PPG.
The Pelicans already have a massive hole at SF. They really have nothing there at all. Creating a hole at PG to go along with a hole at SF would seem to make no sense to me. (But then again, I don't know much more about their team than what I read online)
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I never understood why vasquez went so late in the draft. He was a terrific player at maryland, was a clutch player, and he had size for a point guard. I would do that deal in a heartbeat.
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The NBA TV Mock Draft has us taking Ben McLemore with the 1st overall pick, and Steven Adams, C, from Pitt with #19.
I think I could live with that if we stay at 1 and 19 ...... but I don't think we'll stay at 19. Frankly, I'm not sure that we'll stay at #1 either. In fact, I don't think that the Cavaliers will make any of their 4 picks for themselves. I think that all 4 picks will be traded. I think that we will be, by far, the most active team moving around in the draft, and maybe even finding a veteran or 2.
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The NBA TV Mock Draft has us taking Ben McLemore with the 1st overall pick, and Steven Adams, C, from Pitt with #19.
I think I could live with that if we stay at 1 and 19 ...... but I don't think we'll stay at 19. Frankly, I'm not sure that we'll stay at #1 either. In fact, I don't think that the Cavaliers will make any of their 4 picks for themselves. I think that all 4 picks will be traded. I think that we will be, by far, the most active team moving around in the draft, and maybe even finding a veteran or 2.
that would be one heck of a draft day.. fans might go bonkers... especially since they are getting antsy for a good solid team. I personally think Grant's seat is starting to heat up a little bit. Especially since the tribe seem to be turning the corner and the same with the Browns. He probably needs to get some really good talent this year that will develop for Lebron's return or he needs to trade for some vets and get a lot of wins. Personally, I'd rather see good quality young talent over old vets like Jamison and we end up with a mediocre team.
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I'm nervous about Nerlins and the other bigs look slow. Hope we get this one right.
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Noel is amazingly fast (and quick) for a PF/C. The question is, can he maintain that quickness, and avoid injury, while adding 20-35# so that he can actually be a factor under the basket. Noel is currently something like 206#. That's at 7' tall. He looks scrawny. Last year we saw Zeller get shoved around far too often, and he was at 230#.
Len is 7' and 255#. He has a better developed offensive game. He also has the dreaded stress fracture in his foot. Ugh. He's got decent quickness for a big, but he's not as fast as Noel.
I am almost coming back around to actually being OK if we take Otto Porter the more I watch on him. He's not your normal #1 overall ...... but who is in this draft? He is a quality player though, at a position of dire need.
Man, this draft is really rough to figure. There is talent, but not #1 overall talent. Almost every player has major question marks. No matter who we take, there will be things to worry about. Porter and McLemore are probably 2 of the safer picks. (along with Burke, but no way do we take a PG that high)
I really don't envy Chris Grant. There are potential pitfalls everywhere.
I still think that we'll see a lot of trades from Grant ..... and probably a surprise when we do pick.
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Has this rumor been mentioned yet and I missed it?
I saw something about the #1 pick to New Orleans for Grevis Vasquez, #6 pick and 2014 first rounder.
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