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To my understanding his problems w/college was STRIKE ONE COMING IN...not some failed drug test after he became a member of the NFLPA. This put him on the NFL drug abuse program. So to my understanding because of this he has to pee in his cup every month and get tested.
Agree..it is my understanding that if a college player has documented evidence of drug problems in college, they enter the NFL with 1 strike against them.
If that is correct, Gordon entered the NFL's drug program last year as a rookie.
Now comes news of Gordon taking a "doctor prescribed" medication that contained a banned substance that resulted in a strike 2 for Gordon. The fact that Gordon's most recent offense only resulted in a 2 game suspension, rather than the usual 4 game suspension, leads me to believe Gordon's story about not knowing he was ingesting a banned substance when he took the prescribed cold medication is believable.
Does that mean Gordon has only one strike left before being banned from the NFL for a year???...No way for use fans to know !
If Gordon stays clean, it's not a problem...
If I were Gordon, I would only take what the team doctor prescribes or OKs..
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The one he was just suspended two games for was his second failed test.
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and if you are saying that they let the first one slide, then tell me about Joe Haden. he must have failed 2 also then right?
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Updated: Digging Deeper Into Josh Gordon's Suspension & NFL Drug Testing By Mike Krupka on Jun 14 2013, 6:46a  @MikeKrupka 329 "Gordon's two-game suspension and four-game fine for the codeine -- which he said was contained in cough syrup prescribed for strep throat -- means he was already in Stage Two of the NFL's substance abuse program. For a player to be suspended, he must have violated the policy at least one other time. That means that Gordon -- who failed three marijuana tests in college and was dismissed from Baylor and Utah -- has tested positive at least five times since October, 2010." "According to a recent article written by ex-NFL player Ryan Riddle, "An Insider's Perspective on NFL Drug Tests", the only time a player is tested for street drugs is before training camp, unless he's already in the NFL drug program: Each year before the start of training camp every player on the roster is tested for both performance enhancing drugs and street drugs. For guys not in the NFL drug program, this surprisingly is the only time the entire year that an NFL player is tested for illegal street drugs. This means athletes in the NFL can partake freely in whatever illegal drugs they choose as long as they don’t show up on the banned substance list. This is why we never hear about guys getting suspended for illegal street drugs in the NFL. However, if a player enters the NFL with a confirmed history of drug or alcohol issues, he is then implemented into the NFL’s anonymous substance abuse program. While in the program, that player can be tested at random at any given point throughout the year no matter where they are in the country." "Let's look at some substance abuse type infractions, Joel Thorman over at SBN's Arrowhead Pride explains how ProFootballTalk's source came to believe Chiefs' Linebacker Tamba Hall tested positive for marijuana based on Commissioner Goodell's past handling of four separate athlete's suspensions - all allegedly for marijuana use: "That source could simply be Roger Goodell's past history of player suspensions. Earlier this year, Jaguars' Nate Collins was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana. Saints' Lawrence Wilson was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana. Seahawks' Leroy Hill was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana. Falcons' Jonathan Babineaux was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana." Then there's always Mikel Leshoure's double arrest for marijuana which resulted in almost an identical punishment to that of our very own Josh Gordon: "The NFL announced Wednesday that it has suspended Leshoure for the first two games of the upcoming season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, following his two marijuana-related arrests this offseason. Leshoure also will be docked two additional game checks, bringing his total salary forfeiture to $109,412 of his $465,000 base salary." PED's are treated with 4 game suspensions; and there's lots of examples of players failing for marijuana and getting 2 game suspensions, http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/6/14/4428588/thoughts-on-josh-gordon-and-his-suspensionnot sure how right this guy is but a lot of stuff he say makes sence.
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Some interesting stuff in here... cliffs notes version of the substance abuse policy and some other stuff, including mac's favorite safety device. Every player is randomly tested sometime between April 20 and August 7 every year. http://www.nflevolution.com/wordpress/wp...-19-11-5081.pdf
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I wonder, with the growing movement that is making marijuana legal in so many States, how is that going to affect those in the NFL who smoke it? I know it's still technically illegal from the federal standpoint (but I will point out that Washington D.C. it is legal). But some States have made it totally legal (Denver is in one, Seattle in another).
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There are a lot of "LEGAL" drugs on the banned substance list. For those with Alcohol related abuse don't they test for that as well? I remember William Green on the Substance Abuse program was seen several times sitting in a bar reading the paper with a cigarette n drinking a beer n the discussion in the papers was that Green was in total violation of his Strike thing Probation???
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Yes, that is correct.
The part about Haden is most likely not correct. Adderall is part of the policy on anabolic steroids and related substances (as amphetamines should be), and that is almost always a 4 game suspension on the first offense, minus some huge mitigating factor.
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Ahhhh, I see.
So Adderall is/was considered a PED.
That makes more sense that he got his suspension on his first strike (other than the fact that it was in the middle of the off-season and he was taking it while partying). It doesn't seem like he got a competitive edge.
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What I don't understand (among the many things I don't understand) is how we know what some of these guys were suspended for but for whatever reason, not a peep about Gordon.
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pretty sure the others had police report? gorden did not?
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Just guessing, but it might be because of HIPAA privacy laws, since it was allegedly prescribed by his doctor.
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By Mike Krupka on Jun 14 2013, 6:46a  @MikeKrupka 329
"Gordon's two-game suspension and four-game fine for the codeine -- which he said was contained in cough syrup prescribed for strep throat -- means he was already in Stage Two of the NFL's substance abuse program.
For a player to be suspended, he must have violated the policy at least one other time. That means that Gordon -- who failed three marijuana tests in college and was dismissed from Baylor and Utah -- has tested positive at least five times since October, 2010."
"According to a recent article written by ex-NFL player Ryan Riddle, "An Insider's Perspective on NFL Drug Tests", the only time a player is tested for street drugs is before training camp, unless he's already in the NFL drug program:
Each year before the start of training camp every player on the roster is tested for both performance enhancing drugs and street drugs. For guys not in the NFL drug program, this surprisingly is the only time the entire year that an NFL player is tested for illegal street drugs.
This means athletes in the NFL can partake freely in whatever illegal drugs they choose as long as they don’t show up on the banned substance list. This is why we never hear about guys getting suspended for illegal street drugs in the NFL.
However, if a player enters the NFL with a confirmed history of drug or alcohol issues, he is then implemented into the NFL’s anonymous substance abuse program. While in the program, that player can be tested at random at any given point throughout the year no matter where they are in the country."
"Let's look at some substance abuse type infractions, Joel Thorman over at SBN's Arrowhead Pride explains how ProFootballTalk's source came to believe Chiefs' Linebacker Tamba Hall tested positive for marijuana based on Commissioner Goodell's past handling of four separate athlete's suspensions - all allegedly for marijuana use:
"That source could simply be Roger Goodell's past history of player suspensions.
Earlier this year, Jaguars' Nate Collins was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Saints' Lawrence Wilson was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Seahawks' Leroy Hill was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Falcons' Jonathan Babineaux was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana."
Then there's always Mikel Leshoure's double arrest for marijuana which resulted in almost an identical punishment to that of our very own Josh Gordon:
"The NFL announced Wednesday that it has suspended Leshoure for the first two games of the upcoming season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, following his two marijuana-related arrests this offseason.
Leshoure also will be docked two additional game checks, bringing his total salary forfeiture to $109,412 of his $465,000 base salary."
PED's are treated with 4 game suspensions; and there's lots of examples of players failing for marijuana and getting 2 game suspensions,
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/6/14/4428588/thoughts-on-josh-gordon-and-his-suspension
not sure how right this guy is but a lot of stuff he say makes sence.
I am sure how right this guy is, and it is 0%.
We excoriated this guy on the OBR, because his basic premise, that Codeine is not on the banned substance list, is flat wrong, which leads his conclusions to be wrong.
Some other things I've seen on here that I'd like to address.
1. With Haden's suspension, it WAS his first offense, however, he was busted for violating the PED policy, not the substance abuse policy. There is a major difference, look it up.
2. Because of his college stuff, Gordon came into the league with one strike against him. That is what caused him to be suspended this time, it was his second strike.
3. The fact that the suspension was reduced should speak LOUDLY to everyone. This pretty heavily implies Gordon was stupid but not malicious and had a scrip. He still violated the policy, but apparently had evidence to back up his story.
4. Gordon better get his stuff together and not let something like this happen again, because next time the NFL won't be so lenient.
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By Mike Krupka on Jun 14 2013, 6:46a  @MikeKrupka 329
"Gordon's two-game suspension and four-game fine for the codeine -- which he said was contained in cough syrup prescribed for strep throat -- means he was already in Stage Two of the NFL's substance abuse program.
For a player to be suspended, he must have violated the policy at least one other time. That means that Gordon -- who failed three marijuana tests in college and was dismissed from Baylor and Utah -- has tested positive at least five times since October, 2010."
"According to a recent article written by ex-NFL player Ryan Riddle, "An Insider's Perspective on NFL Drug Tests", the only time a player is tested for street drugs is before training camp, unless he's already in the NFL drug program:
Each year before the start of training camp every player on the roster is tested for both performance enhancing drugs and street drugs. For guys not in the NFL drug program, this surprisingly is the only time the entire year that an NFL player is tested for illegal street drugs.
This means athletes in the NFL can partake freely in whatever illegal drugs they choose as long as they don’t show up on the banned substance list. This is why we never hear about guys getting suspended for illegal street drugs in the NFL.
However, if a player enters the NFL with a confirmed history of drug or alcohol issues, he is then implemented into the NFL’s anonymous substance abuse program. While in the program, that player can be tested at random at any given point throughout the year no matter where they are in the country."
"Let's look at some substance abuse type infractions, Joel Thorman over at SBN's Arrowhead Pride explains how ProFootballTalk's source came to believe Chiefs' Linebacker Tamba Hall tested positive for marijuana based on Commissioner Goodell's past handling of four separate athlete's suspensions - all allegedly for marijuana use:
"That source could simply be Roger Goodell's past history of player suspensions.
Earlier this year, Jaguars' Nate Collins was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Saints' Lawrence Wilson was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Seahawks' Leroy Hill was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Falcons' Jonathan Babineaux was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana."
Then there's always Mikel Leshoure's double arrest for marijuana which resulted in almost an identical punishment to that of our very own Josh Gordon:
"The NFL announced Wednesday that it has suspended Leshoure for the first two games of the upcoming season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, following his two marijuana-related arrests this offseason.
Leshoure also will be docked two additional game checks, bringing his total salary forfeiture to $109,412 of his $465,000 base salary."
PED's are treated with 4 game suspensions; and there's lots of examples of players failing for marijuana and getting 2 game suspensions,
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/6/14/4428588/thoughts-on-josh-gordon-and-his-suspension
not sure how right this guy is but a lot of stuff he say makes sence.
I am sure how right this guy is, and it is 0%.
We excoriated this guy on the OBR, because his basic premise, that Codeine is not on the banned substance list, is flat wrong, which leads his conclusions to be wrong.
Some other things I've seen on here that I'd like to address.
1. With Haden's suspension, it WAS his first offense, however, he was busted for violating the PED policy, not the substance abuse policy. There is a major difference, look it up.
and the guy that you said I 0% right brought that up
2. Because of his college stuff, Gordon came into the league with one strike against him. That is what caused him to be suspended this time, it was his second strike.
and again the brought that up.
3. The fact that the suspension was reduced should speak LOUDLY to everyone. This pretty heavily implies Gordon was stupid but not malicious and had a scrip. He still violated the policy, but apparently had evidence to back up his story.
nothing I have read said that it was reduced. matter of fact it is exactly what a second time offender for a rec drug gets.
4. Gordon better get his stuff together and not let something like this happen again, because next time the NFL won't be so lenient.
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This just puts all the more pressure on him to do well. If he has a bad season, heads will go down and he'll start getting classified as worthless, bust, drug head, etc etc...
People were calling it when the suspension rumors started that it was Gordon... low and behold. Doctor excuse or not, I'm not thrilled about this. Kid has got to learn to be an adult and cover his own butt.
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In that Cliff note recap of the Substance abuse policy
WHAT SUBSTANCES OF ABUSE ARE PROHIBITED? Cocaine, Marijuana, Amphetamines Opioids and Opiates, PCP and MDMA (Ecstasy) and any other substances required by the Medical Director.
I saw no reference where Marijuana carried less weight than others as a given thing.
These were the penalties...Gordon received a 4/17th fine but only 2 game suspension.
Stage Two: If not dismissed in Stage One, the Medical Director will notify you of
your advancement to Stage Two. In Stage Two you must comply with your Treatment Plan, if you have one. Also you are subject to unannounced testing up to 10 times per month. You also will be subject to further medical evaluation.
The penalties from a Stage Two Violation of which I believe Gordon was guilty of.
Stage Two: 1st violation: 4/17 of the amount in Paragraph 5 of your NFL Player
Contract (or a 4-game suspension if you did not successfully complete Stage One).
2nd violation: 4-game suspension (or a 6-game suspension if you were suspended for your first violation in Stage Two)
This was his first violation in stage two. Again why the 2 game suspension if it is not what Gordon has claimed it to be.
Sure hope he has matured n this is it.
But in this the next move is a 6 game suspension...Stage Three its banishment.
According to this there is no 1 year suspension in the Intervention program. That might be for behavior violations???
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My question would be.. If Gordon has a script, why is he getting a longer suspension for a legal drug with no PED potential than people literally arrested for possession of marijuana? As a side note, many weightlifters I know use marijuana as a PED in the same way you would use Adderall for it. It enhances lifting focus and increases your ability to eat. And what is the deal with 2 game suspension but 4 games pay? That sort of rubs me the wrong way. Not that I take too much pity on millionaires. Sadly Gordon is my favorite player on the team going into this season. I hope we never lose him for a year and this was genuinely a medical oops-ident. Since codeine filled cough syrups are only available with a prescription in the US I am pretty annoyed with his doctor if this is a genuine story. At least he'll be missing fewer games due to strep than the mighty Peyton Hillis 
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Just guessing, but it might be because of HIPAA privacy laws, since it was allegedly prescribed by his doctor.
Well, it can't be HIPAA if it isn't prescribed by a Doctor, so either HIPAA related which to me, puts him in the clear, or it wasn't.
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My question would be.. If Gordon has a script, why is he getting a longer suspension for a legal drug with no PED potential than people literally arrested for possession of marijuana?
My question would be... why are people so willing to believe this story about prescription codeine?
The guy got kicked out of Baylor for failing two drug tests.
He goes to Utah, gets kicked out there for failing another, and then gets caught lying about it.
In his very short time in the spotlight, he's given ample, black-and-white evidence that he's both a user and a liar.
Then he hits the NFL, fails a drug test, fails another, and we're supposed to believe that the second failed test was an honest mistake due to prescribed cough medicine?
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League has been dishing out the full four game suspension. Gordon "did" only get two game suspension and docked four game pay. They didn't carry out the usually full punishment.
Just saying... not sure if I buy what I just said either, but it is a fact to be taken into consideration.
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I assume everyone has this thought....But it is really annoying we don't know whether he came into the league with 1 strike or has failed two drug tests. Heck we don't even know what drug he was taking. The anonymity is obnoxious.
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League has been dishing out the full four game suspension. Gordon "did" only get two game suspension and docked four game pay. They didn't carry out the usually full punishment.
Just saying... not sure if I buy what I just said either, but it is a fact to be taken into consideration.
However, if a player enters the NFL with a confirmed history of drug or alcohol issues, he is then implemented into the NFL’s anonymous substance abuse program. While in the program, that player can be tested at random at any given point throughout the year no matter where they are in the country."
"Let's look at some substance abuse type infractions, Joel Thorman over at SBN's Arrowhead Pride explains how ProFootballTalk's source came to believe Chiefs' Linebacker Tamba Hall tested positive for marijuana based on Commissioner Goodell's past handling of four separate athlete's suspensions - all allegedly for marijuana use:
"That source could simply be Roger Goodell's past history of player suspensions.
Earlier this year, Jaguars' Nate Collins was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Saints' Lawrence Wilson was suspended one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Seahawks' Leroy Hill was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana.
Falcons' Jonathan Babineaux was suspended for one game without pay and fined an additional game check for possession of marijuana."
Then there's always Mikel Leshoure's double arrest for marijuana which resulted in almost an identical punishment to that of our very own Josh Gordon:
"The NFL announced Wednesday that it has suspended Leshoure for the first two games of the upcoming season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, following his two marijuana-related arrests this offseason.
Leshoure also will be docked two additional game checks, bringing his total salary forfeiture to $109,412 of his $465,000 base salary."
PED's are treated with 4 game suspensions; and there's lots of examples of players failing for marijuana and getting 2 game suspensions,
this is what Goodell has been doing. kind of hard to argue with it.
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What makes you all think he came in w/one strike?
Too many excuses are being made for the guy. No wonder he could care less about his teammates at three different locations.
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Too many excuses are being made for the guy. No wonder he could care less about his teammates at three different locations.
It's never Josh's fault.
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Shows that Josh has not grown up or will never grow up for that matter. If he keeps heading towards this destructive path.
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Too many excuses are being made for the guy. No wonder he could care less about his teammates at three different locations.
It's never Josh's fault.
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That doesn't mean he has a strike against him however, just that he is in the program. I haven't seen anything that states just because a rookie is in the program he has a strike against him. I know if a veteran is in the program he does.
I'm with PDR on this one. It is hard to believe that this was just bad luck. I've had friends long ago that were the same - full of excuses and always said they would stop doing stupid things. A few did, most did not.
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IF he took cough syrup for a strep throat then ya'll need to get the hell off of his back. if he smoked pot again then he is on his last chance. Untill we all know what he did i believe everybody should get off the kids back and wait this out.
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Will we ever know the truth behind the substance? No. So everything is just speculation. If you want to think he made an honest mistake then nothing will change your mind. If you want to think it was weed then nothing will change your mind.
Personally, I would lean towards the latter ... but either way, one more mistake and he's probably done.
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Yeah. There's plenty of cause for skepticism with the guy, but without concrete facts there's not much to read into it other than, "Dude can't do it again." It's disappointing and you have to know- especially coming into a KNOWN drug test time frame- what is and is not off limits.
That said, I'm not panicking over his past of pot use still. I'm a relatively bright individual, and I held a really good job in manufacturing knowing I wasn't supposed to smoke mary jane for about a year and a half. If I had done anything wrong and had to take a test, I would've been toast. I was 22-23 at the time. Sometimes, you're just in the mindset that, "What I'm doing isn't freaking bad for me. It's better than me being a raging alcoholic or developing a coke habit." And you get kind of brash and defiant because of not just the fun you've had smoking weed, but also the introspective properties and keeping in mind that relatively harmless element to it.
That said- if he hasn't by now- he needs to come to that realization that there's a serious drop-off in standard of living if he drops dirty again than if he doesn't. The difference in millions should be glaring and enough to just hold off for a bit. There'll come a day when you can have your own private field of the stuff, Josh. In the meantime, lay off.
Like a I said. Cause for skepticism? Of course. Write the kid off? Hell no. I'd hate for him to come to maturity just in time for some team taking a cheap flyer on him.
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Once you get to the situation Gordon is in, the substance is irrelevant.
It's more of a behavioral thing at this point.
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I'm not getting off his back. I knew there would be a bunch of people defending the guy and trashing people who weren't buying his BS. That's fine if you want to live in Make Believe Land, but I won't be joining you. This quote tells me all I need to know: Quote:
For a player to be suspended, he must have violated the policy at least one other time. That means that Gordon -- who failed three marijuana tests in college and was dismissed from Baylor and Utah -- has tested positive at least five times since October, 2010."
That is a problem! Excuses do not make problems go away. In fact, making excuses for a guy like this typically compounds the problem because he never becomes accountable.
I said it when we picked the kid; I said it when people were counting him as one of our next great players; and I will say it again---Smoking marijuana is not what is so bad, it's the complete, utter lack of discipline and disregard for his teammates that is so troublesome.The guy has failed tests numerous times. He's probably received several warnings at Baylor, too. Nothing has worked. He is a talented guy, but he simply can't be counted on.
And if he is messing w/Purple Drank like I suspect he is, then we have an even greater problem.
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IF he took cough syrup for a strep throat then ya'll need to get the hell off of his back. if he smoked pot again then he is on his last chance. Untill we all know what he did i believe everybody should get off the kids back and wait this out.
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IF he took cough syrup for a strep throat then ya'll need to get the hell off of his back. if he smoked pot again then he is on his last chance. Untill we all know what he did i believe everybody should get off the kids back and wait this out.
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If it was pot it would be a 4 game suspension.
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IF he took cough syrup for a strep throat then ya'll need to get the hell off of his back. if he smoked pot again then he is on his last chance. Untill we all know what he did i believe everybody should get off the kids back and wait this out.
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If it was pot it would be a 4 game suspension.
Kids got a history, so around here, he's guilty until proven innocent. Didn't you get the memo LOL
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My question would be.. If Gordon has a script, why is he getting a longer suspension for a legal drug
1st off is he? pblack has said it several times but can you please give me some of those examples. Not calling you a liar. Just I have no recollection n is it because of Pot the drug or is it because of the limited contamination in the test so that possibly it was from Contact High Stuff???
But first I'd appreciate it if you can give an example or two of guys getting a 2 game suspension because it was POT n not another drug??? It has to be another reason why it was a 2 game suspension.
As for the question...again is pot less??? or are we assuming this. In this translation of the rules it is listed all together in one batch.
Vers. There is a history of Rookies coming into the league with a Strike already against them and in the Strike two Stage. Gordon's past is a classic example of entering the League with the X against you. I don't see why it is so hard to believe that??? It all comes down to was this a POT Strike or was this an Innocent transgression with a Feb. Illness. I don't think we will ever know unless it gets to the Life banishment stage.
I know I'm a Homer but also my experience with human nature is that POT SMOKING is not a tough addiction to overcome. If you are ready to quit - I have yet met a person who struggled in doing so.
Does he like it so much that he will forfeit his Football career by choice? I don't know he worked way too hard this off season for all the right reasons to willingly just smoke pot cause he prefers that TOKE to Playing Football.
Some have: Ricky Williams...also that OT from Georgia Tech...around 10 years ago...loved his pot n didn't really like football. Took the millions n is in Jamaica somewhere 
But is that Gordon. Was it his home environment during Jan./Feb with so called friends urging him to smoke with them??? Or was it exactly like he stated? Yes I do give him the benefit of the doubt. Until other wise as it is the only reported "FACT" out there.
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Not sure if this has been flesh out yet in other comments, so I apologize if it has, but players HAVE been suspended for 2 games for marijuana related incidents. But I think the ones referenced in the "Digging Deeper" article several posts up refer only to marijuana possession. Not testing positive for it. Does anyone know if there is a difference? I know there was discussion about PEDs vs. Narotics but does the suspension differ from possession vs having it in your system? Maybe I should read that NFLPA report.... 
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His history isn't all that ancient. And doesn't lend all that much credibility to his story.
He fails a drug test at Baylor.
He gets found by the police in his buddy's car passed out at a Taco Bell drive through.
He fails a second drug test at Baylor.
He fails a third drug test at Utah.
After being taken in the second by us, he lies about failing his third test.
He is suspended for two games by the NFL for failing a drug test, which probably isn't his first at the professional level.
What's the pitch count there? 6 or 7 strikes? In the last 3 years?
When you catch the cat with a canary in its mouth, the possibility does exist that the canary just flew in there. But it's not likely.
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It's hard to argue any of this. And for clear and obvious reasons...
Gordon is a half a baby-step away from being suspended for a year. If he can't shape up now, I think there is beyond enough evidence to conclude it probably just isn't going to happen, and that maybe he belongs on a team like the Bengals and etc who are more tolerable towards the troubled-players.
Ball is and has been in his court.
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I just find it incredibly hard to believe that a physician would prescribe codeine to an NFL player without entertaining the thought that it could be a banned substance.....or that Gordon didn't know the cough syrup contained codeine. Isn't it obvious that if he were on the watch list that he'd been warned to check the contents of prescription medication?
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All circumstance. All True, but not related to the incident at hand.
You are using the smoking gun method which of course has merit. But it doesn't prove he's lying about the prescription for meds for a medical issue.
But, just like Gordon said, there is zero tolerance in the NFL so he's taking his lumps. he has admitted he should have known or at least consulted with the NFL before taking said medication.
His past doesn't automatically mean he's guilty beyond what he's referenced in his comments.
But that's not fun is it. So let's just condemn him and toss him to the curb.
Personally I'm sure the truth will come out. and in the end, you and all the others that think he's a druggy may turn out to be right. I prefer to watch and see rather than condemn him without benefit of all the facts.
One point is this, Joe Banner doesn't appear to be a guy that takes this stuff lightly. (might be just my impression of him) I think/believe, that if there was more to this, we might have seen more of a punishment from either the league or the team or both. And we still may. That will tell us a lot.
The fact that he came in last season, pretty much without having played in a while and did a credible job showing signs of being a potential #1 receiver says something that for whatever reason is lost on some folks.
he did a pretty darn good job last year. I'd like to see it work out.
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Some people simply expect and assume the very worst in people. Those people will never change. I know his history is jaded, yet that only gives those who expect the worst fuel for their fire.
Rather than expect the worst, I hope for the best. And I've seen no evidence showing anything otherwise than this was a mistake. So rather than point fingers and make ASSumptions, rather than make ASSertions with nothing to back them up, I'll take this at face value and hope that going forward we see nothing like this again.
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