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VD, you are spot on......if Browns have any leaders, somebody should be on a plane, go get this fool and help him......isn't Jim Brown suppose to help with this stuff....if our owner is a gazillionare, sure'll he can hire someone to get the "kid's attention"......sad to see some of these guys get more money than "common man" makes in a lifetime and waste it....WOW, get someone around him he respects and give him a clue.......GO Browns!!!!! Old saying....if much is given.....much is expected.......doesn't apply today, I guess!!!!
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The Browns are probably trying to help him. It's tough in the off-season.
I have been thinking about this a lot. There is a saying: the only person who can help a drunk is the drunk himself.
I think that applies here. No, I am not saying he is a drunk. LOL....
The Browns, the NFL, his family, etc can do all kinds of things for him, but until Gordon is willing to admit he has a problem, decides to fight that problem, and actually seeks help........everything everyone else is doing is for naught.
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Old saying....if much is given.....much is expected.......doesn't apply today, I guess!!!!
It's called "entitlement". Applicable to far too many pro athletes IMO...
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AA uses that approach.. and yeah,, first step, accept who and what you are. (I'm paraphrasing of course). then set about fixing you.
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Well I see a lot of members wishing us Browns Chat posters to leave. In numbers you will have disagreements. Sorry to ruin your board EZ n Toad. I will try not to post much.
As for some here are acting as if he is banished for life n cost us a 2nd round pick.
No 2 games is not good at all. A 22 year old or whatever his age is with several Mil in his pocket. Posting n Tweeting like he's THE MAN hey...hope he is the role model of not taking the route of crime to get those big bucks. Is he acting the way I or I would expect my son? Heck no...not anywhere close. But I can imagine his mental state being the guy around his circle of acquaintances and friends so he puffing out that chest and boasting some. Hopefully mature enough to not blow his career in smoke. I didn't expect him to become freakin Amish.
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Neither did I.
I did, however, expect him to not fail drug tests.
He's done that twice since he's been here.
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C-word? Do you mean controversy? Sorry, I am a little slow, sometimes.
Character.
Glad you cleared that up. The first "c word" that came to my mind was:
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Well I see a lot of members wishing us Browns Chat posters to leave.
Outside of the very occasional 'shot', I haven't seen any ground swell requesting us to pack our bags. Where did this come from, eo, or have I missed something? 
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Well I see a lot of members wishing us Browns Chat posters to leave.
Outside of the very occasional 'shot', I haven't seen any ground swell requesting us to pack our bags. Where did this come from, eo, or have I missed something?
You haven't missed anything at all. There's only been a couple of people that took shots like that, and it hasn't happened for a while now (can't make everyone happy).
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I have been thinking about this a lot. There is a saying: the only person who can help a drunk is the drunk himself.
There is also another saying: They don't seek to change until they hurt themselves enough. A person may want to change but too often it doesn't happen until they feel the hurt themselves.
They can hurt their family, their friends, their significant other, their job and anyone who believes in them or invests in them. However, it's not until the person hurts their own self does he seek to change.
I know, I was one of them. In denial and numb to the the pain I inflicted on others. When I finally hurt myself enough through my decisions and actions I made changes. Only after making changes did I realize how much I hurt my family and friends, my wife (who by then had left me) and my employer (who by then was no longer my employer).
It's like a child who will keep doing wrong because there are no consequences. Once they understand the consequences and pay the price the behavior changes. That's why parents have to have rules and consequences for breaking them.
So far, the consequences Gordon has paid, and he's paid a lot already, did not impact him enough. Sooner or later he'll hit his wall.
It's also said: The journey is like an elevator from the top floor. One can get off anytime they want. Hopefully someone can get through to him so he'll want to get off before his elevator crashes into the basement.
I'm all about second chances and giving the benefit of the doubt. But Josh Gordon has had second changes before. Several of them in fact. Likely even more of them that we don't know about. At this point it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt because he's shown he hasn't stood up to his end of the bargain.
Why the heck do ultra talented wide receivers have to be so damn goofy?
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You'd better keep posting. The longer-winded the better. I learn a lot from some of the old "Browns Chat" members. The more the merrier. It all shakes out.
I hadn't posted much at all for the past year. I find myself posting more recently because there's some better football talk recently. Yeah, still a ton of bickering over insignificant non-football stuff. Maybe more than before, but that's to be expected with more members logging on.
But the influx of new members has made the board better. I'd hate to see quality posters back-off just because a couple of "old" members express concern.
Heck, you're one of the original "old" posters going all the way back to the original DawgTalk and of the newer DawgTalkers. Hate to see you avoid posting your opinions.
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Why the heck do ultra talented wide receivers have to be so damn goofy?
Because they're 100% dependant on another player (QB) to do anything.
I seriously think that has something to do with it.
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I work with kids that have problems the challenges facing gordon are huge i hope hope he sticks with it and becomes the next megatron.
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I made a mistake I've never made before. I quoted eotab and responded to him but somehow clicked your name as the one to whom I was replying. I'm not sure how that happened.
However, that said, and it wasn't easy, the same goes for you and all the other new members. Glad to have you, keep coming back and don't let the opinions of a few influence you to think everyone here has those opinion.
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I know, I was one of them. In denial and numb to the the pain I inflicted on others.
Wow! I would have never guessed. You seem so together. Much more than most of us, especially me. LOL
We all have issues, my friend. Some took my comments about Gordon as hateful and biting, but I intended them to be more about awareness.
Look here, bro..............I will be here for you anytime you need me. PM me and I will give you my phone number. Call day or night. It sounds like you got it handled, but if not, I will be there for you.
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You'd better keep posting. The longer-winded the better. I learn a lot from some of the old "Browns Chat" members. The more the merrier. It all shakes out.
I hadn't posted much at all for the past year. I find myself posting more recently because there's some better football talk recently. Yeah, still a ton of bickering over insignificant non-football stuff. Maybe more than before, but that's to be expected with more members logging on.
But the influx of new members has made the board better. I'd hate to see quality posters back-off just because a couple of "old" members express concern.
Heck, you're one of the original "old" posters going all the way back to the original DawgTalk and of the newer DawgTalkers. Hate to see you avoid posting your opinions.
Agreed. I don't think of eo, Vers or any of the others as coming from the "other board" because they were here way back when. And I hardly ever went to the other board so I do not really know who all came from there.
All the new/returning members have added quite a lot here and I'm glad you're here. Don't let a few dictate your contribution level.
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Geez Ddub, I read what I think you are referring to and other than who you responded to, I'm wondering why apologize. Anyway.. You are right. while some of the new folks coming in are trying to find their way here, it all self levels over time. While I found a few of the newer folks to be a bit on the rude side, I found more to be very thoughtful. I for one, am glad they are here. And to Eo,, dude, you know I missed you.. I still can't wait for your "What I saw" threads during the season.  (you do plan on doing that don't you?) Purp and I once had a conversation about this, it's hard to read the true intent of a post. You can't see body language, so many of us don't know each other personally thus we can't always see the intended humor etc. I've yet to perfect the key to this, but I'm trying every day. But tolerance and fewer "GOTCHA" attempts are probably a good way to start. JMO
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It's the main reason why some of my posts are so long, D... if an extra paragraph or two preempts a potential misunderstanding, it's worth the extra effort up-front... know what I mean?
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Didn't mean to be such a sourpuss...lol
Just I know I was in the middle of a heated discussion??? which followed by two key posters EZ n Toad on how they didn't like the new order of things. I know they like the board n simply did not wish to ruin it for them. PDR...since there was the insult stuff - I decided to put you on "IGNORE" so I am not trying to be mean if you have been posting me with Civility...lol  I just cannot read your posts. Thought it best for the board.
If you have put down the ax...simply PM me and tell me so. I just do not want conflict. I definitely like to discuss football n have strong opinions but I don't wish it to become personal.
I just hope the Hernandez thing has awoken all these young men with bad environmental backgrounds. I know it shook a lot of the rookies up who were watching the entire unfolding of his arrest as part of their Rookie Symposium. Hopefully Gordon learned from this. Forget the 2nd round investment...that has come on gone. Now its all about HIM as a Cleveland Brown and I would hate to lose the Talent of a 6th, 3rd, 2nd rounder alike. We need all the progress from our young players that we can get. But it would be a terrible waste as he could be the most talented WR for us since Paul Warfield if he stays true and works hard at becoming the best.
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Well I see a lot of members wishing us Browns Chat posters to leave. In numbers you will have disagreements. Sorry to ruin your board EZ n Toad. I will try not to post much.
That's just silly Tab. Don't be so thin skinned. While I don't speak for everyone here, I'm pretty sure if their feelings were known, if the vast majority of Dawg Talk members were asked, the overwhelming response would be that they want all of those who came here from Browns Chat to stay.
And you're not even "from" Browns Chat. You're "from" Dawg Talk. Just because you were at Browns Chat for a while doesn't mean that's where you are from.
Heck, I think you're a big time homer and spin everything in a positive light no matter how unrealistic on a regular basis and I STILL want you to stay and post often!
So do as you wish, but it's not because a bunch of us want you to leave or post less.
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j/c Some of you need to wake up and smell whatever there is to smell to know the difference from reality and fairy tale land. If there was nothing to worry about, no concerns of his actions, all is peachy - then we wouldn't be having this talk and Gordon wouldn't be in the situation he is in. It's as simple as that.  I'm still rooting for him and crossing my fingers he can pan himself out and get himself on the right track - but for those who seem to have no concern... I do not understand this.
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I am extremely concerned, if for no other reasons that:
1) This is his 2nd positive test since he entered the NFL. Next one is a big, painful suspension. (painful fr the team that took a big chance on him, if not painful for him)
2) His attitude about this doesn't seem to be one of contrition. It's excuses.
Pictures of him and Little being drunk at a Heat party really, really concerns me. If this guy has been treated for substance abuse, which he claims he has been ...... and if he has taken that treatment to heart, as he says he has, then he should not be out drinking at all. How hard is it for "Have another drink" to become "Try this"? Not too hard if you ask me. For someone without a history of drug abuse it wouldn't be as big a concern ....but liquor reduces inhibitions, and if someone gives him something when he's drunk, he's just that much more likely to just take it. That is a huge concern, because one more positive test is a big suspension.
The kid is an undeniable talent, but right now he is also a major risk. I hope that the team gets him one on one with a councilor/mentor who can help him stay away from situations that could become dangerous to his career.
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Purp and I once had a conversation about this, it's hard to read the true intent of a post. You can't see body language, so many of us don't know each other personally thus we can't always see the intended humor etc.
It's the main reason why some of my posts are so long, D... if an extra paragraph or two preempts a potential misunderstanding, it's worth the extra effort up-front... know what I mean?
No, can you explain in more detail please
Just..... had.....to..... do..... it 
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Just..... had.....to..... do..... it
Aha! So I'm not the only one...
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I think Gordon is a train wreck waiting to happen. IMO, it's not if he gets the next suspension, it's when. If I had to guess, Banner and Co. are planning their replacement plans now ... actually, I would imagine they've given a lot of thought to how they will replace Gordon ... and I think they're hope is they can replace him before something happens.
As for the Gordon / Little drunk pictures ... is that true? I could have sworn I read that Little doesn't drink.
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Some of you need to wake up and smell whatever there is to smell to know the difference from reality and fairy tale land.
this is the kinda statement that says "you think little of those that post here"!
Which in turn starts arguments, which in turn starts insults and name calling and ejections from the board..
Even the most "homerish" of us know and understand the seriousness of the situation. But there are some on here (me included) that don't want to sound the alarms and walk into a crowded room and yell "FIRE".
Really, there's not a whole lotta sense to doing that in that because the deed is done and it's going to be what it's going to be.
In case you were wondering, my point is, if you slap someone, don't expect them to lay down and take it. Generally, around here, they slap back.
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As for the Gordon / Little drunk pictures ... is that true? I could have sworn I read that Little doesn't drink.
It's a video, not pictures, and if Little doesn't drink he sure has one hell of a slurred speech impediment and a wobbly head.
I don't know about sports, but in entertainment people say that they don't drink all of the time. I've seen people spend large parts of an interview segment talking about how they don't drink and then crack a beer when they're done.
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Video is on Josh Gordon's Instagram. His user name is "kamoflash". I'll leave it up to you to figure out how to visit the page if you're interested.
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Point taken.... but
I think Gordon has "slapped" the entire city of Cleveland. False alarms? He's failed two test thus far in one season in the NFL. There is nothing false about that. The pics and video posted, there is nothing false about that.
Sure words can skewed and twisted, but what i'm seeing is cold hard factual evidence/data. There is a huge difference and sometimes the pointing of the finger, is very well deserved. It's deserved, IMO, in this case with Gordon. There is nothing good about this situation. Tell me one good fact about this? Maybe that the NFL drug/codiene tests work and are proven?
In terms of Josh himself, there is nothing good here UNLESS, he has the ability to learn and finally wake up after this. What does he want more? To be a drug head, or to be a NFL player?
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Even Randy Moss avoided a year suspension. I am not personally concerned about Gordon. Drinking would only concern me if he was a heroin addict or alcoholic. When it comes to millions of dollars it isn't very difficult to give up pot. Frankly I don't think we would care if be didn't have superstar potential; which is the positive I like to focus on. Players retiring or getting year suspensions for pot is exceedingly rare. I would wager more rare than murderers.
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If you would have stopped there, I'd have believed you when you said "Point Taken'
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The more I think about this, the more concerned I am. #1, the kid has a track record of lying about his drug use, even after the fact: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2013/06/track_record_of_mistakes_casts.htmlAnd Gordon has a horrible track record when it comes to learning from failed drug tests. He flunked one for marijuana at Baylor. He was on probation, knowing if he failed another there would be no more catching passes from Robert Griffin III. His pro future could be seriously damaged. But Gordon did fail another test. Marijuana again. He was done at Baylor. The next stop was Utah, where he could practice but not play for a year. The previous Browns regime told me how Gordon was faithfully attending his counseling sessions and other activities designed to keep him straight. But he failed another test at Utah -- also for marijuana. At one point, he told The Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot: "I was in a rehabilitation program with group counseling, and I saw a psychiatrist, like, three times a week. ... I had to report back to the team while I was practicing. But I never tested positive at Utah." Turned out that he did, and he later had to admit it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, we see him drunk as a skunk at a celebration ....... and we know that he has to have failed at least 2 different drug tests as a pro in order to have been suspended. Count me among the extremely concerned.
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and I may join you there.. when it becomes critical. missing two games is not critical. Smoking dope or taking a med that has something in it that's banned again, and I'm right there with you.
Chris Carter was a screw up in college and in Philly.. He had a rep for doing drugs..
It can happen that they turn out OK...
I'll worry about it when I have to.
I don't today.
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Has it been revealed what test he failed first in the NFL? From reading here I understand they keep the first failure unannounced to the public.
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Sorry, but missing two games is extremely critical. I know nothing about what lead to the suspension...a mistake in a subscription or drugs, but no matter what truly happened, missing your most talented WR for two games is critical. Especially when one game is a team you can conceivably beat while the other is a division opponent.
In a game where every year a team misses the playoffs by one game, Gordon missing 13% of the season is nothing to sweep under the rug.
I just hope it doesn't happen again. JMO.
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And here I was upset with Banner last spring for him treating Gordon like he was a step child. Now I guess we know why. They need to keep big Phil and Little away from him. It's not good when Big Phil starts blasting Brown's fan about James. That's all we need is another Gordon. The way this is going he would be lucky make it to training camp.
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Has it been revealed what test he failed first in the NFL? From reading here I understand they keep the first failure unannounced to the public.
They announced a failed test, so it stands to reason that he failed the one the NFL did not announce. The 2 game suspension indicates that he failed the 2nd test for something other than whatever substance caused his 1st failed test. In other words, if he had failed his 1st test for steroids, and his 2nd test for steroids, then it would have been a 4 game suspension, period. If he failed his 1st test for pot, and his 2nd for codeine, then it could be reduced to a 2 game suspension. (at least if I, and damn near every writer who has written on the subject has completely misread the rules)
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Has it been revealed what test he failed first in the NFL? From reading here I understand they keep the first failure unannounced to the public.
They announced a failed test, so it stands to reason that he failed the one the NFL did not announce. The 2 game suspension indicates that he failed the 2nd test for something other than whatever substance caused his 1st failed test. In other words, if he had failed his 1st test for steroids, and his 2nd test for steroids, then it would have been a 4 game suspension, period. If he failed his 1st test for pot, and his 2nd for codeine, then it could be reduced to a 2 game suspension. (at least if I, and damn near every writer who has written on the subject has completely misread the rules)
Steroids falls under a completely different policy and the punishments are more severe and immediate (of course, an argument can be made that the tests can be beaten and gotten around, they don't even test for artificial growth hormone, etc.)
As far as the substance abuse policy, there is a narrow set of circumstances laid out where a 4 game suspension can be reduced, and it seems possible/likely that Gordon fits in that category.
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