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Is Angry Joe the same guy who is the "Angry Nintendo Nerd". That guy is hilarious. I've seen all his old NES videos.
I always use IGN as a reference point with other reviews.
The best place I have found for reviews is the Classic Game Room channel on Youtube. The guy reviews EVERYTHING. He has absolutely no bias and takes on the game by itself, doesn't factor in publisher, development team, etc...
Only problem is you don't get reviews for new games immediately, He's all over the place, he reviews old games as much as new.
Metacritic is probably the best place to find a review of something just coming out.
So I chalked up my fatty PS3 as a loss, now we have the super slim ps3 (AC3 bundle). Wow this thing is small and light.
Between that and upgrading my DirecTV box, we've gained a ton of room on the tv table.... lol
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I enjoy Chris Smoove's, they are worth checking out for pure amusement if anything.
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On the topic of which system to buy, I'm thinking of waiting for a year or so to find what kinds of issues pop up with the various systems. Now that Microsoft dropped the DRM policy, I'd have to say that my initial lean is towards the XBox One. I think that the biggest strength over PS4 will be with the revised and upgraded Kinect integration. I have younger kids, and we do use Kinect for party games.
The only physical hardware difference that I noticed from the specs is the RAM. Is that really going to make a difference graphically in the PS4? I've read that some people think so.
As long as Microsoft continues to make 360 games while the market transitions over, then I'm playing the waiting game.
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The RAM (GDDR5 vs DDR3) and the CPU is rumored to be 50% more powerful. 1.2 Teraflops (rumored XBO) vs 1.8 Teraflops (known PS4) Will probably make a difference but will only be noticeable if you are running the same game side by side.
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The only physical hardware difference that I noticed from the specs is the RAM. Is that really going to make a difference graphically in the PS4? I've read that some people think so.
You will see a smoother frame rate, probably most noticeable in multiplayer.
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So, I was out of town last week... is it safe to turn on my ps3? I have a replacement hard drive.
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There was an update to fix what ever the issue was on Thursday so you should be good, you will have a System Update though.
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The RAM (GDDR5 vs DDR3) and the CPU is rumored to be 50% more powerful. 1.2 Teraflops (rumored XBO) vs 1.8 Teraflops (known PS4) Will probably make a difference but will only be noticeable if you are running the same game side by side.
What've I read from some of the geekier corners of the internet is that the PS4 has more shaders and will look better. However, the difference will be lessened because the Xbox is using eSRAM and cloud computing (which is really nebulous and no one really knows how it's going to be used until develops starting using it, catch 22)
Another thing I read is that the X1 is using 3 operating systems which will use 3 GBs of RAM while the PS4 OS will only use 1 GB, however, those are so far only rumors and no one can definitively say huge advantage to be gained by either.
For me so far the best looking game was Watch dogs with Titanfall being the best lookign exclusive. I am really excited to see what Naughty Dog (Last of Us and Uncharted) and Sony Santa Monica (God of War) are working on.
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I'm on chapter 7 of The Last of Us and I can say it is the best game I have ever played. Any Naughty Dog game is a day one purchase for me. They are the best in the industry right now, IMO.
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I'm on chapter 7 of The Last of Us and I can say it is the best game I have ever played. Any Naughty Dog game is a day one purchase for me. They are the best in the industry right now, IMO.
Yeah I'm playing it right now Location Spoiler I'm in Pittsburg, . It is really well done and probably the best video game I have played this year, with Bioshock infinite being a close second.
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I'm on chapter 7 of The Last of Us and I can say it is the best game I have ever played. Any Naughty Dog game is a day one purchase for me. They are the best in the industry right now, IMO.
What is the structure of that game like? It's not a complete open-world, correct? How much freedom do you have?
I haven't picked it up yet. I may wait a bit since I just picked up a brand new console which came with Assassin's Creed 3 (which is a lot of fun right now)
Sadly, my cousin lost his job at EA so I will no longer get games for dirt cheap, I will now have to pick and choose what games I want, I may wait and read reviews and only upgrade when the game gets cheapened.
Right now I still have NCAA 12 which is a near flawless game outside of a bit of slowness at times. I love the entire recruiting set-up. I will buy 2014 later on in the year when it's 20-30 bucks. Sometimes Amazon runs a special during the football season.
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It not open world. Each map after you move a bit you won't be able do go back becaus a wall will fall or a horde of infected was chasing you and you had to block a door or something.
It has healing aspects like Resident Evil(original ones) where you combine ingredients to make health kits.
It has stealth aspects like Metal Gear Solid where at time you will need to sneak or stealth kill across a room. Run & Gun and you will run out of ammo.
Puzzle aspects like Uncharted where you will need to figure out how to get through the map.
There are Suppliments to find which are used to purchase character upgrades like better health.
There are parts to find which are used to purchase upgrades for your weapons.
Other items used to make health kits, nail bombs, smoke bombs, shivs (shivs also are needed to get in some locked doors that contains a lot of items).
Many collectables like Firefly Pendants, comic books and sheets of paper which help tell background stories.
On top of that the post zombie apocalypse story has been 10x better than the Walkin Dead.
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It not open world. Each map after you move a bit you won't be able do go back becaus a wall will fall or a horde of infected was chasing you and you had to block a door or something.
It has healing aspects like Resident Evil(original ones) where you combine ingredients to make health kits.
It has stealth aspects like Metal Gear Solid where at time you will need to sneak or stealth kill across a room. Run & Gun and you will run out of ammo.
Puzzle aspects like Uncharted where you will need to figure out how to get through the map.
There are Suppliments to find which are used to purchase character upgrades like better health.
There are parts to find which are used to purchase upgrades for your weapons.
Other items used to make health kits, nail bombs, smoke bombs, shivs (shivs also are needed to get in some locked doors that contains a lot of items).
Many collectables like Firefly Pendants, comic books and sheets of paper which help tell background stories.
On top of that the post zombie apocalypse story has been 10x better than the Walkin Dead.
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Awesome, thanks for the input. Sounds pretty fun regardless.
I'm hoping for a game similar to that which has a complete open world type feel to it. With some of the components of a game like Saints Row.
Dead Island was kind of like that (although it was FPS) but I'd like to see something like but just done way better.
I'm still going to buy this though because you aren't the only one to tell me how good the story is.
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I love the Last of Us. I'm probably about 6 or 7 hours in and can't get enough of it. I haven't played it for a couple of weeks, but I look forward to getting back into it. For the dude above me, State of Decay is a very good open world zombie game on PSN and Xbox Live. It reminds me a lot of the Walking Dead show.
I was going to get the XBONE, then wondered why I felt the need to. Other than Forza 5, not much about it makes me want it. The previous transition between console generations saw the introduction of HD and was well worth it. But, for this transition, there doesn't seem to be much new that I care to experience between the two consoles. Graphics that are a bit better is about all I can think of. Even still, it will probably take a couple of years before developers start to take full advantage of the graphics cards. By that time, I'm hoping prices will drop a bit and make them more affordable. For now, I'm happy enough with my PS3 and 360 and still have a lot of games to get through before I spend $600 on a new console and 1 game for it.
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I love the Last of Us. I'm probably about 6 or 7 hours in and can't get enough of it. I haven't played it for a couple of weeks, but I look forward to getting back into it. For the dude above me, State of Decay is a very good open world zombie game on PSN and Xbox Live. It reminds me a lot of the Walking Dead show.
I was going to get the XBONE, then wondered why I felt the need to. Other than Forza 5, not much about it makes me want it. The previous transition between console generations saw the introduction of HD and was well worth it. But, for this transition, there doesn't seem to be much new that I care to experience between the two consoles. Graphics that are a bit better is about all I can think of. Even still, it will probably take a couple of years before developers start to take full advantage of the graphics cards. By that time, I'm hoping prices will drop a bit and make them more affordable. For now, I'm happy enough with my PS3 and 360 and still have a lot of games to get through before I spend $600 on a new console and 1 game for it.
nice, thanks. I may have to download that one.
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I watched a few videos of State of Decay, and wow, that game looks awesome. The graphics look pretty so/so with some obvious flaws, but the gameplay and story look so good. I'm gonna buy that over the weekend.
Anyone see the GTA V gameplay trailer? Holy crap.
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I watched a few videos of State of Decay, and wow, that game looks awesome. The graphics look pretty so/so with some obvious flaws, but the gameplay and story look so good. I'm gonna buy that over the weekend.
Anyone see the GTA V gameplay trailer? Holy crap.
Yeah, the graphics aren't great in State of Decay, but you'll usually get that with games you get from PSN and Xbox Live. It's only $15, if I remember correctly, and well worth it. You'll find some small bugs that pop up here and there, but nothing major enough to detract from the experience.
I haven't seen the GTA gameplay trailer, but I've heard it looks great. Is it only on PS3 and 360, or also PS4 and XBONE? If it's on PS4 and XBONE, I'm figuring the gameplay footage is from those.
On a side note, I downloaded the Gran Turismo 6 demo a couple of nights ago and was disappointed. It seemed almost exactly the same as GT5. Unfortunate. I might still get it when it comes out in November or December, though, since it will probably be the last decent racer for current gen consoles.
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I think after it is released on the PS3 & 360 they will announce a Next Gen release. They don't want to take away from sales for people who will just wait to play on the new system. They always make a PC version and from what I've read the PS4 and 360 are very close to PC and will only take a few weeks to port a game over instead of months. So I think it is safe to assume that the game will make it to the next gen platforms but probably not until next spring.
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I think after it is released on the PS3 & 360 they will announce a Next Gen release. They don't want to take away from sales for people who will just wait to play on the new system. They always make a PC version and from what I've read the PS4 and 360 are very close to PC and will only take a few weeks to port a game over instead of months. So I think it is safe to assume that the game will make it to the next gen platforms but probably not until next spring.
Good call, that makes sense.
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It's not releasing for PC in September, only on play station and xbox.
There's speculation it may release a few months later like 4 did after it's console release, but there has been no official word from Rockstar.
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I know the PC version isn't releasing in September, what I was saying is they always make a PC Version and when they do they can port that version over to the PS4 and XBO. From what I read on the next gen platforms porting between PS4, XBO and PC will take weeks to accomplish where as on current gen it takes months.
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The only physical hardware difference that I noticed from the specs is the RAM. Is that really going to make a difference graphically in the PS4? I've read that some people think so.
You will see a smoother frame rate, probably most noticeable in multiplayer.
GDDR5 is not necessarily better then DDR3. Honestly, I question Sony's decision to use GDDR5 as system RAM over DDR3 both from a design perspective and a cost perspective.
GDDR5 is a poor choice for system RAM, especially considering how Sony wishes the PS4 to be used for more then just game. DDR3 benefits from low latency (Tight Timings) at the expense of bandwidth. GDDR5 is the opposite sacrificing latency (loose timings) for bandwidth.
This makes GDDR5 RAM a poor choice for system RAM, because opening applications, using Netflix, etc will be slower then they would be on DDR3 because GDDR5 was designed for bandwidth in mind (solely for GPU Operations) at the expense of latency where as DDR3 was designed for low latency(Tight timings) at the expense of bandwidth.....Tight timings is always more important when it comes down to it....simply because it makes the most perceptible difference to the user.
Microsoft actually got it right using DDR3 with tight timings and supplementing with ESRAM. Its the best bang for your buck in terms of cost and I would say the bandwidth loss will only be around 1-2% it won't even be noticeable, but the Xbox one will be much cheaper to produce and will give similar performance.
its just my 2 cents, but I wouldn't use GDDR5 with its loose timings for system RAM...
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The main focus of the PS3 is games and that is where GDDR5 is better than DDR3. Netflix runs just fine on the PS3 with 256mb of RAM available, I think it will run just fine on the PS4 with 7GB of RAM available.
You were correct when it comes to GDDR5 . GDDR5 has much better bandwidth but worse latency than DDR3, when it comes to graphics processing, the Latency isn't much of an issue which is why modern Graphics cards use GDDR5.
There really isn't any application on Consoles that are CPU intense that would require low latency.
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The main focus of the PS4 is games and that is where GDDR5 is better than DDR3. Netflix runs just fine on the PS3 with 256mb of RAM available, I think it will run just fine on the PS4 with 7GB of RAM available.
You were correct when it comes to GDDR5 . GDDR5 has much better bandwidth but worse latency than DDR3, when it comes to graphics processing, the Latency isn't much of an issue which is why modern Graphics cards use GDDR5.
There really isn't any application on Consoles that are CPU intense that would require low latency.
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As a developer, I can tell you we love the move to x86 architecture. Bottom line is PS4 has about 33% more GPU horsepower than the XBox One which is pretty significant. Rest of the stats are extremely similar.
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Ryse did look cool, I won't be able to play it since I'll be on PS4.  It's being published by Microsoft so no hope on a timed exclusive like Titanfall is rumored to be. I hope it's very successful for you!! You are working for Crytek USA now. Since Nordic Games bought Darksiders there no hope of you guys working on Darksiders III is there? Any PS4 games coming from the Vigil group?
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jc I'm seeing some pics of screenshots of a few games for the new consoles. It truly looks like a movie/real characters instead of CGI. These new generation console video output quality is looking to be INSANE!
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The main focus of the PS3 is games and that is where GDDR5 is better than DDR3. Netflix runs just fine on the PS3 with 256mb of RAM available, I think it will run just fine on the PS4 with 7GB of RAM available.
You were correct when it comes to GDDR5 . GDDR5 has much better bandwidth but worse latency than DDR3, when it comes to graphics processing, the Latency isn't much of an issue which is why modern Graphics cards use GDDR5.
There really isn't any application on Consoles that are CPU intense that would require low latency.
Many game engines used such as Havoc(Skyrim for example, probably Fallout 4), Unreal Engine.Frost Bite 2 used by Dice with Battlefield is highly CPU dependent.
My reasoning behind saying GDDR5 was a poor choice is because I see the PS4 and Xbox1 both being bottlenecked by a terrible weak CPU. That AMD Jagaur 8 core CPU is pretty much a second Generation AMD Botcat CPU used in netbooks and other low power devices...in terms of IPC(Instructions Perl Clock) that thing is extremely weak. its weaker then any other AMD CPU on the Market, and even AMD Fx 8300 series Vishera (which I own one) while not as good as Intel, is way more powerful then what is currently in the new consoles.
To put things in perspective, the CPU in these new consoles is weaker then the Intel Core 2 Conroe/Wolfdale that debuted in 2006...yes this CPU is weaker then a CPU that hit the market in 2006.
Many Physics and AI operations are run on the CPU.(Unless your using Nvidia for PhysX) Of course this depends on the game engine used mind you, but i see developers are going to really have to take advantage and multi-thread theirs game big time to avoid bottle necking...and how does that bode for the future? 2 years from now, this console generation will struggle to run games just like 360 and PS3 have the past year in comparison to a mid-range gaming PC
The GPU in these new consoles is not that great....in terms of power it sits between an HD 7850 and a 7870....7850 go for 150, you can get a 7870 which is more powerful for 200.
in fact you could thtoew together a cheap AMD Trinity based Athlon, a 7870, and a board for probably less then the consoles are going to cost...and can upgrade later...the new Richland APU's (2nd generation Trinity) are probably 300% more powerful CPU cores then the new consoles have...just to put things in perspective.
from a technical standpoint, this console generation is disaapointing...the only good thing to come out of it is developers will finally start taking advantage of more then 3-4 threads so those of us 8 core users and Intel Hyper-Threading users extra features will get put to use...thats about it....these consoles could have been so much better...the last generation, "at the time of its launch", had pretty good hardware in them for 2005 or 2006...but these ones...i can't justify that price...not for that kinda hardware...no way.....
speaking of the Steam Summer Sale starts today, empty your wallet! Bioshock Infinite is only 24 bucks, Borderlands 2 is 20 i do believe, there is a ton of sales on their...Tomb Raider was under 16 bucks...check it out! 
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Please though, don't think im all down on the new consoles, because i'll be honest, some of the exclusives like Rhyse for example just look fantastic...i just wish the hardware was a bit better. but atleast we will get 8 core multi-thread optimization out of this gen!
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All of those games run on the PS3. The Cell Processor is only 3.2ghz with 256mb RAM (for games) where as the PS4's AMD 8 core Jaguar is 1.84 Teraflops with 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM (for games). I have no doubt the developers will make great games on the PS4.
Of coarse any of those games will look and run smoother on the PC, consoles will never overtake the PC in that market. For games like Skyrim to overcome the slower CPU Bethesda didn't make a graphically intense game (unless you got the HiRes mod on PC).
But everything I've heard from developers such as gage above is the PS4 CPU is more powerful and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM is awesome to work with. They have also said that the PS4 games will probably run a little smoother. But we will see over the next few years. The 360 had the smoother games this gen and the only issue I had on my PS3 was waiting 8 months for the Skyrim DLC and that was a RAM issue (or lack of RAM) than a CPU issue. I for one can't wait to see what Naughty Dog can do with the PS4. I am near the end of The Last of Us and that game is graphically great and game play is great and it's on the PS3. I think I would rather them make another original game or another Last of Us game that takes place elsewhere with a different story line than make Uncharted 4 though.
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Ryse did look cool, I won't be able to play it since I'll be on PS4.
It's being published by Microsoft so no hope on a timed exclusive like Titanfall is rumored to be.
I hope it's very successful for you!!
You are working for Crytek USA now. Since Nordic Games bought Darksiders there no hope of you guys working on Darksiders III is there?
Any PS4 games coming from the Vigil group?
Vigil is no more. Vigil was liquidated along with the rest of THQ when the bankruptcy auction completed back in January. However Crytek decided to take half of the people left and make a new studio in Austin, so I'm really working with the same guys
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Many game engines used such as Havoc(Skyrim for example, probably Fallout 4), Unreal Engine.Frost Bite 2 used by Dice with Battlefield is highly CPU dependent.
My reasoning behind saying GDDR5 was a poor choice is because I see the PS4 and Xbox1 both being bottlenecked by a terrible weak CPU. That AMD Jagaur 8 core CPU is pretty much a second Generation AMD Botcat CPU used in netbooks and other low power devices...in terms of IPC(Instructions Perl Clock) that thing is extremely weak. its weaker then any other AMD CPU on the Market, and even AMD Fx 8300 series Vishera (which I own one) while not as good as Intel, is way more powerful then what is currently in the new consoles.
To put things in perspective, the CPU in these new consoles is weaker then the Intel Core 2 Conroe/Wolfdale that debuted in 2006...yes this CPU is weaker then a CPU that hit the market in 2006.
Many Physics and AI operations are run on the CPU.(Unless your using Nvidia for PhysX) Of course this depends on the game engine used mind you, but i see developers are going to really have to take advantage and multi-thread theirs game big time to avoid bottle necking...and how does that bode for the future? 2 years from now, this console generation will struggle to run games just like 360 and PS3 have the past year in comparison to a mid-range gaming PC
The GPU in these new consoles is not that great....in terms of power it sits between an HD 7850 and a 7870....7850 go for 150, you can get a 7870 which is more powerful for 200.
in fact you could thtoew together a cheap AMD Trinity based Athlon, a 7870, and a board for probably less then the consoles are going to cost...and can upgrade later...the new Richland APU's (2nd generation Trinity) are probably 300% more powerful CPU cores then the new consoles have...just to put things in perspective.
from a technical standpoint, this console generation is disaapointing...the only good thing to come out of it is developers will finally start taking advantage of more then 3-4 threads so those of us 8 core users and Intel Hyper-Threading users extra features will get put to use...thats about it....these consoles could have been so much better...the last generation, "at the time of its launch", had pretty good hardware in them for 2005 or 2006...but these ones...i can't justify that price...not for that kinda hardware...no way.....
speaking of the Steam Summer Sale starts today, empty your wallet! Bioshock Infinite is only 24 bucks, Borderlands 2 is 20 i do believe, there is a ton of sales on their...Tomb Raider was under 16 bucks...check it out!
You are really overstating the RAM importance. On xbox the ram ran at 700mhz (vs. CPU 3.2Ghz) and PS3 ram on the main bus side was 3.2Ghz same as CPU. never once during our developments did we complain about the slow xbox ram. We complained that the ps3 ram was banked sure (xbox you could commit 500MB to video, ps3 banked it) but never speed or ram performance. All developers are very happy we have gigabytes of ram now.
What are your metrics that say the Jaguar is weaker than the Core 2 Duo? To be blunt you're wrong though. The IPC is similar and the XB1/PS4 have many more cores to distribute tasks, so it would smear a c2d no problem. Consoles always come out with less power than a PC you can build because they want to sell it for $500 or less.
To wit, take the Cell processors in the PS3 and Xbox360. Their IPC was beyond pitiful due to deep pipelining. They had to run their cores at 3.2Ghz just to feel somewhat quick. Two great examples:
LoadHitStore: Cell processors took 40 cycles or so to store a value. This really isn't a big deal as long as you don't want to read from it right away, then you take a hit trying to load it back up. Both Sony and Microsoft built special tools so we can figure these out.
Branch Prediction: Alot of times in code you want to skip past code if a condition is met (is the player dead? then dont run his movement code etc). The Jaguar has branch prediction, the Cell processors didn't. Branch Prediction has existed in mainstream consumer processors since the Pentium
Seriously, bottom line is PS4 has 33% better GPU horsepower, consider the rest splitting hairs between the two
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