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I consider myself lucky that I'll never have to deal with that. I can't imagine any one of my girls (past, present or future) dressing better than me.

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Mantis, IMO you are misunderstanding the reality of the situation.

It is not a matter of a simple solution to a simple problem, or viewing complex problems as having a simple solution. It is much more fundamental.

Women quite often are not interested in a solution of any kind, complex or simple. The "problem" they are discussing is often not even remotely related to what they are really upset about.

Neither the problem nor the solution is their concern, what they want is for whatever emotional content they are feeling to be considered valuable.

It may be, but almost never contributes anything useful to dealing with any real-world issues, solvable or not.

" To be honest with you, you're right, I don't give a crap how you FEEL about the garbage disposal being broken. If you wanted to have a discussion about that, it might have been better to do that BEFORE I have a big friggin HOLE under the sink, and also BEFORE I was scrunched into an uncomfortable space with crap dripping onto me. For now, it would be helpful if you could GTFO of the way of my five-year-old, who is HELPING ME by handing me stuff, which is something I might have expected the other friggnin ADULT in this house to do."

Never did find out how she FELT about the new unit having More Horsepower and a better warranty than the old one. Or about how throwing a few ice cubes into the disposal every now and then might keep it working longer.

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Yeah, I get that, and I think my original response indicates this. I wrote in a couple of places that the situation depicted in the video is not a fantasy. My only point is that men assume every problem a woman has can be solved, and usually the solution is characterized as being as simple and obvious as removing a nail from one's head. Maybe I should ask this of you all: do you think every problem a woman has has a logical solution?

Now, to those who think I should "lighten up," I already said I thought the video was funny. But I also tend to find critical responses just as entertaining as humorous ones. Sorry for ruining everyone's fun, but I must say I find it ironic that, after responding to the video with a coherent, logical, well-reasoned response, I get called a woman by one poster and an over-thinker by another. Amusing.

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I was not challenging the different approaches. I was challenging the notion that every time a woman is "complaining" about something, there is always a simple solution, or a solution at all, that can be arrived at logically, as simple as removing a nail from one's head. This is a man's weakness, and the video only exposes the woman's weakness, so the double critique is not clear. Which is why:

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Very good.

The only reason I assumed women wouldn't see the humor is because the nail was in the woman's head. But I guess that actually makes your point.

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And yet, men often act as though every problem has a simple solution, and they rarely hesitate to offer their opinion regardless of the actual simplicity or complexity of the matter. When a man listens to a woman complaining about a problem, he always sees the "simple solution" just like the man in this video sees a nail in the woman's head. It's a great metaphorical rendering of the oblivious, insensate man who, when confronted with a female problem, regardless of its actual simplicity or complexity, reduces the problem to something as simple as a nail in the head.



I won't speak in generalities about men and women.. but from my own personal experience I will tell you that my wife has had issues at her job for years, she works in an office with a bunch of other women and long ago and far away she started complaining about the behavior of these women.. and I listened... and I offered advice when asked... and my wife took none of my advice, she just kept on doing what she was doing.... now for years every few weeks she gets fed up and complains to me about these women... my wife hasn't done a single thing to change or address the situation, yet it still bothers her and she still comes home in a bad mood griping about these women. My wife is not the only woman that I've ever known that has acted this way. In my own little world, if something is consistently bothering you then you have 2 choices, make changes to try to fix it or learn to live with it and stop complaining about it.

See what is really ironic about this little quip is they could do a remake 6 months from now and have her complaining about the same thing with the nail still in her head... so I don't think it is about men oversimplifying the womans problems, it's about the man saying.. "Well let's try to change something and see if that fixes the problem." and the woman saying that she doesn't really want to try anything different which may or may not fix the problem.

As Einstein once said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


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Sometimes...no, I'd say almost all of the time...there is a solution. Sometimes it's simple, sometimes it's more complicated, but I certainly agree with you that there is truth in this video. What I have been pointing out, however, is the misrecognition of a more fundamental problem, one that men with their purportedly logical minds tend to not understand.

I'll offer an anecdote of my own to illustrate what I was thinking when I watched it. I had a girlfriend a while back who also had problems with her female co-workers. She would talk to me about it, and when it started to become repetitive, clearly crossing the line into the territory of unproductive complaining, I started to offer my opinion on what might improve the situation. She didn't ask for my opinion, but the constant complaining and the effect her work had on her attitude out of work was making things difficult for our relationship.

Now, I'm sure there are women out there who can get some perspective on such a problem from their male partner and impliment it successfully, but she was not one of these. At first, I viewed the situation exactly as it appears in this video. My girlfriend had a "nail in the head" and if she would listen to my sensible, logical advice, she could remove the nail. But as the problems persisted, I came to realize that it wasn't about her listening to me or how logically she thought about the problems. I realized that she was incapable of removing the nail.

When the solution to a problem is along the lines of standing up for yourself when people take advantage of you, how can you do this when you have never stood up for yourself in your whole life? When the solution involves clearly verbalizing your frustrations in a productive manner, how can you do this when you have never been able to verbalize in this manner? What do you do when you do not possess the requisite personal capabilities that could bring about a solution? This is the source of my critique of this video. Maybe there is a logical solution to every problem, but it's not really a solution if the person to whom the solution is suggested is incapable of implementing it.

The girl in this video appears to have the nail in the head for no other reason than willful ignorance or narcisism. I do not doubt that people like this exist, but I question the general representativeness of this woman with nail-in-head. In my version of this video, the woman would eventually see that there is a nail in her head. She would then struggle to pull it out, as the man suggests, but the nail would not come out because she does not possess the necessary strength.

I guess the difference in how we view this video is my fundamental pessimism about human nature. I am much less optimistic about an individual's power to change his or her life. The problem, then, is not so much what the woman is dealing with at work. The real problem is her own self, and blindness to her intractable limitations is the man's weakness.

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Interesting analysis.

Freud once said: "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar."


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It's a thing called exaggeration.

The nail only is a visual representation of her problem for demonstration purposes and is an extreme exaggeration of the general concept so that even the most over-thinking person on the planet could come to the conclusion that removing the nail would make the pain go way. Thereby eliminating the gray area of the viewer not having enough information to conclude the simple solution to the problem in which the women in the video refuses to acknowledge.


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If you don't think guys do the same exact thing then you're very ignorant.

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I don't think that I've ever seen so much over-thinking of a joke before.
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When the solution to a problem is along the lines of standing up for yourself when people take advantage of you, how can you do this when you have never stood up for yourself in your whole life? When the solution involves clearly verbalizing your frustrations in a productive manner, how can you do this when you have never been able to verbalize in this manner? What do you do when you do not possess the requisite personal capabilities that could bring about a solution? This is the source of my critique of this video. Maybe there is a logical solution to every problem, but it's not really a solution if the person to whom the solution is suggested is incapable of implementing it.

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In my version of this video, the woman would eventually see that there is a nail in her head. She would then struggle to pull it out, as the man suggests, but the nail would not come out because she does not possess the necessary strength.



These are the two parts of your post that I would like to comment on... You have clearly defined the difference between EFFORT and RESULTS... I would have no issue if my wife made the effort to solve the problem and did not achieve the desired results... at least she tried and I would respect that.... now try something else.

The woman in the video won't even accept the premise that there is a solution to the problem, never mind that it might be a fairly obvious, easily correctable solution.


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I was just thinking about something ....... wouldn;t a screw have been more appropriate than a nail? She obviously has a screw loose ...... lol


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I was just thinking about something ....... wouldn;t a screw have been more appropriate than a nail? She obviously has a screw loose ...... lol




No, because any man that has been going through this would finally just lose it and tighten the screw in further and said "There, you no longer have a screw loose.".


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Unfortunately, it seems like every time you tighten one up, another comes loose ..........


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I was just thinking about something ....... wouldn;t a screw have been more appropriate than a nail? She obviously has a screw loose ...... lol




Are you kidding?
A man is stuck listening to his girlfriend/wife as she just wants to talk about what's bothering her, without getting to the point .... NOTHING is getting screwed.


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Well, if nothing else, this thread is an interesting look at what men think of women.

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Mostly done tongue-in-cheek, yes.


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Well, if nothing else, this thread is an interesting look at what men think of women.




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Mostly done tongue-in-cheek, yes.




Entirely sarcastic in nature.

Of course, the best sarcasm has a strong basis in truth ......

Women could do the same thing with men, because I realize that we must have some annoying habits and foibles ..... somewhere.


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imho, there is an equivalence here, and it's seen on TV every day. About 15 years ago, I noticed a trend- in sitcoms, commercials... pretty much everywhere. The Dad figure stopped being portrayed in the "Ozzie & Harriet" Steven Douglas or "Father Knows Best" mold, and instead began being portrayed as the stupidest member of the family..

He's either some hapless buffoon, clueless dolt or brain-dead ATM for a surly, cynical family that has absolutely no respect for him. Even the family dog occupies a higher rung on the family totem pole. After I started taking notice of this phenomenon, it seemed to explode.

For my money, it began with "Married: With Children," and other shows began copying the formula. The main difference was this: even though Al Bundy was often the butt of the joke, he was still an 'everyman' whom you could root for. A 'lovable loser, so to speak. In the copycat shows, the father role was dumbed-down to the point of not being worthy of even the audience's respect. That single, subtle difference is why I enjoyed "M:WC" and not the others.

All misogyny taken into account, there's plenty of precedent for the "Dumb Dude" archetype, too.

Just thought I'd toss that in, since it hadn't been previously mentioned in this thread (as far as I can recall).


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I was not challenging the different approaches. I was challenging the notion that every time a woman is "complaining" about something, there is always a simple solution, or a solution at all, that can be arrived at logically, as simple as removing a nail from one's head. This is a man's weakness, and the video only exposes the woman's weakness, so the double critique is not clear. Which is why:

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I doubt women see much humor in it.









Very good.

The only reason I assumed women wouldn't see the humor is because the nail was in the woman's head. But I guess that actually makes your point.

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My wife and her two friends laughed their asses off. Not sure what the big deal is. It's humor..


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I'm sure that there is a similar one out there somewhere where the guy is sitting around in his underwear, farting, burping, and scratching himself, and saying "uh huh" while the woman talks about something important.


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Isn't that the one that made you famous?

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I'm sure that there is a similar one out there somewhere where the guy is sitting around in his underwear, farting, burping, and scratching himself, and saying "uh huh" while the woman talks about something important.




Yeah, my wife has it on her cell phone LOL


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Isn't that the one that made you famous?




I used that one to get dates.



It worked once. She was blind and deaf.


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Isn't that the one that made you famous?




I used that one to get dates.



It worked once. She was blind and deaf.






Unfortunately, her olfactory system was still working, and that was the end of that romance.

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Isn't that the one that made you famous?




I used that one to get dates.



It worked once. She was blind and deaf.






Unfortunately, her olfactory system was still working, and that was the end of that romance.




Strange, usually it's that my dates have taste that does me in.


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