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Oh come on that is total crap.
A guy is chasing you with a gun. "Wait, no, I just want to see where you're going I'm not going to hurt you."
Where is the testimony that says TM knew Z had a gun? Just asking. Not watching the trial. I just want to know where we know Z is brandishing his weapon.
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"Forcible felony" would require both force and a felony be committed. Following someone demonstrates no force, and the felony part is highly questionable as well.
"Forcible felony" is a legal term, with a specific legal definition, which I posted in part, and which can be found in full in a link that I provided.
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Wow, you guys are really hung up on that.
It doesn't matter if he knew he had a gun. The guy was chasing him, vigorously enough to sound out of breath on the phone, Martin tried to elude him and Zimmerman kept following. It was a guy he didn't know who was making a concerted attempt to track him down. He was clearly being chased by someone he didn't know. Is he supposed to think the guy wanted to sell him some car insurance or something?
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Wow, you guys are really hung up on that.
It doesn't matter if he knew he had a gun. The guy was chasing him, vigorously enough to sound out of breath on the phone, Martin tried to elude him and Zimmerman kept following. It was a guy he didn't know who was making a concerted attempt to track him down. He was clearly being chased by someone he didn't know. Is he supposed to think the guy wanted to sell him some car insurance or something?
You used that as your point. I am simply asking where we know that. I am not watching this thing.
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Take out the "carrying a gun" and it is still valid.
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Based on what evidence do you make your statement that Zimmerman continued to follow?
Are you aware he was on the phone with the police during the time you say he continued to follow? For approximately 2-3 minutes after he exits the truck? That the sounds of strenuous pursuit you cite ceased after about 30 seconds from exiting the truck? That Martin is never audible on the tape, indicating a lack of close proximity?
Did Z "walk menacingly" towards him or something for that extra minute and a half? Maybe while humming the theme from Jaws?
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Based on what evidence do you make your statement that Zimmerman continued to follow?
Are you aware he was on the phone with the police during the time you say he continued to follow? For approximately 2-3 minutes after he exits the truck? That the sounds of strenuous pursuit you cite ceased after about 30 seconds from exiting the truck? That Martin is never audible on the tape, indicating a lack of close proximity?
yes. that's what I'm basing it on. He said to the operator he was following Martin, and the operator told him not to. He continued to do so. What more evidence do you need?
Are you really trying to create a scenario where he wasn't trying to track Martin down? It seems like some folks want to cling to any sort of scenario where he might not have been following Martin/trying to track him down, even though he flat out told the 911 operator he was doing so. Why?
Didn't he say something like "I'm not going to let him get away" or "they always get away" or something like that?
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My recollection of the 911 call was Z stated, after being told not to follow: "These punks, they always get away." ........as he was going back to his vehicle.
If I'm wrong in my recollection, my bad. If I'm right, would it change your view?
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Yes, if he had actually given up chasing him and just gone home, it would change my view. My understanding of the facts were that he was chasing Martin, the 911 operator told him to not chase Martin, and he continued to do so.
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My recollection is he is told "We don't need you to do that" and he says "OK". He claims he was walking back to his truck the way he came (via a sidewalk that cuts through the buildings) and Trayvon confronts him. Maybe Trayvon did see him coming back and felt he was continuing pursuit. Maybe Zimmerman was and wanted to play Batman. No one will ever know the truth because there is only one side of the story left.
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Yes, if he had actually given up chasing him and just gone home, it would change my view. My understanding of the facts were that he was chasing Martin, the 911 operator told him to not chase Martin, and he continued to do so.
A link to the 911 call is in this link: http://thegrio.com/2012/03/17/family-of-...claim/#46771333
It also plays the neighbors 911 calls.
Yes, Z followed T..........but if you listen to Z's call.........well, go ahead and listen to it. Keep in mind the time frame, and also Z's demeanor during his call to 911.
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Police Statement Not looking good for the state. George Zimmerman told investigators he “screamed ‘Help me!’ maybe 50 times” after Trayvon Martin ambushed him in the dark, beating the neighborhood watch volunteer and telling him, “You're going to die tonight.” Jurors on Monday heard Zimmerman's first recorded statement to Sanford police the night of Feb. 26, 2012, minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon, 17, of Miami Gardens, who was visiting his father. Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder, claims he acted in self-defense. “He jumped out from the bushes. He said, ‘What the f---'s your problem, homie?’” Zimmerman, under Miranda warning, said to Officer Doris Singleton in the recording played in court Monday during Zimmerman’s trial. “I said, ‘I don't have a problem.’ He said, ‘Now you have a problem,’ and he punched me in the nose. He just started punching me in the face. I started yelling for help.” Zimmerman went on to tell Singleton that Trayvon mounted Zimmerman on the sidewalk, grabbed his head and banged it into the concrete. Zimmerman said he slid onto grass to try to get out from underneath Trayvon. “I'm still yelling for help. ‘Help me, help me, he's killing me,’” Zimmerman said in the police station. “He says, ‘You're going to die tonight.’ ... “I felt his hand go down my side, and I thought he was going for my firearm, so I grabbed it immediately, and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him."
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George Zimmerman told investigators he “screamed ‘Help me!’ maybe 50 times” after Trayvon Martin ambushed him in the dark, beating the neighborhood watch volunteer and telling him, “You're going to die tonight.”
Jurors on Monday heard Zimmerman's first recorded statement to Sanford police the night of Feb. 26, 2012, minutes after he shot and killed Trayvon, 17, of Miami Gardens, who was visiting his father. Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder, claims he acted in self-defense.
“He jumped out from the bushes. He said, ‘What the f---'s your problem, homie?’” Zimmerman, under Miranda warning, said to Officer Doris Singleton in the recording played in court Monday during Zimmerman’s trial. “I said, ‘I don't have a problem.’ He said, ‘Now you have a problem,’ and he punched me in the nose. He just started punching me in the face. I started yelling for help.”
Zimmerman went on to tell Singleton that Trayvon mounted Zimmerman on the sidewalk, grabbed his head and banged it into the concrete. Zimmerman said he slid onto grass to try to get out from underneath Trayvon.
“I'm still yelling for help. ‘Help me, help me, he's killing me,’” Zimmerman said in the police station. “He says, ‘You're going to die tonight.’ ...
“I felt his hand go down my side, and I thought he was going for my firearm, so I grabbed it immediately, and as he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him."
The unfortunate thing for Zimmerman is that he contradicted himself on many occasions during this entire process. He also said he was straddling Trayvon at one point in time. I believe he also said he didn't feel threatened when he shot his gun. Zimmerman doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he goes on the stand.
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The unfortunate thing for Zimmerman is that he contradicted himself on many occasions during this entire process. He also said he was straddling Trayvon at one point in time. I believe he also said he didn't feel threatened when he shot his gun. Zimmerman doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he goes on the stand.
If that is the case wouldn't the Prosecuter brought that up with the Police Officers on the stand or did I miss that?
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The unfortunate thing for Zimmerman is that he contradicted himself on many occasions during this entire process. He also said he was straddling Trayvon at one point in time. I believe he also said he didn't feel threatened when he shot his gun. Zimmerman doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he goes on the stand.
If that is the case wouldn't the Prosecuter brought that up with the Police Officers on the stand or did I miss that?
I believe some of this stuff was covered today with Serino. He'll be back on the stand tomorrow, but he did a good job for the prosecution. My guess is they're hoping to goad the defense into putting Zimmerman on the stand through and hoping to blitz him. But like everyone else has said, this is the defense's case to lose. The lack of evidence and the fact that only one person knows how most of it went down is the real key to this and if he avoids the stand then it's a slam dunk.
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IMO Zimmerman did commit a crime, but it wasn't murder. It was involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide.....a young man died because Zimmerman recklessly pursued him while carrying a firearm. Only law enforcement personnel can do that. I think the prosecution was goaded into going for a murder conviction by activists and the media. They won't be able to prove that the death resulted from the commission of an assault (which is required for 2nd degree murder), and they should have known that. I agree that their only hope is for Zimmerman to take the stand and screw up his testimony.
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CNN Broadcasts Zimmerman Social Security Number
by Ben Shapiro
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On Monday, CNN showed George Zimmerman’s Social Security number and other personal information live over the air, including address, date of birth, and phone number.
Officer Doris Singleton was testifying when the prosecutors showed a narrative report including Zimmerman’s information.
That immediately launched a round of tweets by Zimmerman haters celebrating knowledge of that information.
This is hardly the first time Zimmerman’s personal information has been distributed by those who oppose him. During the initial coverage of the Zimmerman trial, Spike Lee retweeted the home address of what he thought was Zimmerman’s home address. It turned out to be the wrong address. Roseanne Barr then tweeted Zimmerman’s parents’ home address. “If Zimmerman isn't arrested I'll rt his address again. maybe go 2 his house myself,” Barr tweeted.
This isn't the first element of media bias in the Zimmerman case, either. The Associated Press originally reported that Zimmerman was white. That falsehood was repeated for days by the media, heightening the racial aspect of the case.
The media also broadcast photographs of Zimmerman from a 2005 arrest rather than current photos, and conversely broadcast photographs of Martin as a pre-teen, not the 17-year-old he was at the time of the killing (the media's photographic choices actually impacted witness testimony during the trial).
NBC News manipulated tape of Zimmerman's 911 call to make it seem that Zimmerman had targeted Martin because he was black, rather than responding to 911 dispatcher questions. CNN also isolated audio of Zimmerman purportedly calling Martin a racial slur during the call -- an allegation that ended up being completely false.
Both ABC News and NBC News also alleged that Zimmerman's injuries did not exist, releasing badly-pixellated photographs from the night of the incident. As trial testimony has shown, Zimmerman was indeed injured during the incident with Martin.
UPDATE: CNN has now released a statement about showing Zimmerman’s personal information:
"Routinely the evidence is first given to the Court Clerk for redaction, and that didn’t happen in this instance. The Court is circling back to attorneys on both sides to make sure they give the Clerk’s office the opportunity to redact the necessary information."
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The unfortunate thing for Zimmerman is that he contradicted himself on many occasions during this entire process. He also said he was straddling Trayvon at one point in time. I believe he also said he didn't feel threatened when he shot his gun. Zimmerman doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he goes on the stand.
Do you have any links to these things Zimmerman supposedly said?
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If i could boil this case down to a nutshell.... Zimmerman got out of his car and started following Trayvon. Trayvon knew someone was following him and quickly turned the tables around on Zimmerman. I don't know who started it, but a fight broke out and Trayvon started beating Zimmerman up. Zimmerman was getting owned. Trayvon even broke his nose (see pictures, links below). http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b621/flossy666/georgezimmerman1_zpsea15b84a.jpghttp://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b621/flossy666/GeorgeZimmerman2_zps8cb0bab2.jpgThose pictures definitely tell a story. Zimmerman was getting his butt handed to him, had a gun and used it. Whether you think was a clear-cut case of murder, 2nd degree homicide, self-defense - whatever your thoughts - I will say this a zillion times over, this has been manipulated by the powers-that-be from day one. To me, it is being used as a clear-cut distraction to what is really going down in the United States here and today. We are all under surveillance. All of our emails, phone calls and Internet browsing is being recorded. Our entire economy is nothing more than a giant Ponzi scheme. Our rights are being slowly but surely systematically taken away. (Hello George Orwell.) Using Trayvon's kiddie picture instead of a recent picture of him was the first dirty trick the media used to get people worked up, especially black people. And as we all know, it's working quite well. Can you imagine what a different impact this case might have had from day one if the media would have used one of the recent pictures of Trayvon flipping off the camera (google it) instead of the main kiddie picture they used? Image makes a big difference, whether you believe it or not.
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If i could boil this case down to a nutshell....
Zimmerman got out of his car and started following Trayvon.
Trayvon knew someone was following him and quickly turned the tables around on Zimmerman. I don't know who started it, but a fight broke out and Trayvon started beating Zimmerman up. Zimmerman was getting owned. Trayvon even broke his nose (see pictures, links below).
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b621/flossy666/georgezimmerman1_zpsea15b84a.jpg
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b621/flossy666/GeorgeZimmerman2_zps8cb0bab2.jpg
Those pictures definitely tell a story.
Zimmerman was getting his butt handed to him, had a gun and used it.
Whether you think was a clear-cut case of murder, 2nd degree homicide, self-defense - whatever your thoughts - I will say this a zillion times over, this has been manipulated by the powers-that-be from day one. To me, it is being used as a clear-cut distraction to what is really going down in the United States here and today.
We are all under surveillance. All of our emails, phone calls and Internet browsing is being recorded.
Our entire economy is nothing more than a giant Ponzi scheme.
Our rights are being slowly but surely systematically taken away. (Hello George Orwell.)
Using Trayvon's kiddie picture instead of a recent picture of him was the first dirty trick the media used to get people worked up, especially black people. And as we all know, it's working quite well.
Can you imagine what a different impact this case might have had from day one if the media would have used one of the recent pictures of Trayvon flipping off the camera (google it) instead of the main kiddie picture they used? Image makes a big difference, whether you believe it or not.
Very well said.
You meandered a tad, but this sums it up, in a nutshell.
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The unfortunate thing for Zimmerman is that he contradicted himself on many occasions during this entire process. He also said he was straddling Trayvon at one point in time. I believe he also said he didn't feel threatened when he shot his gun. Zimmerman doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he goes on the stand.
Do you have any links to these things Zimmerman supposedly said?
I actually got that part confused in my head. He ended up saying he straddled Trayvon after he shot him. My mistake.
He also told Hannity that Trayvon wasn't running. 6:52
http://www.youtube.com/v/kaua8aAUpOs
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...lice-department
This reports a leak at the Sanford county Police Agency said that Zimmerman said Trayvon was circling his car in the night.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01..._n_3529289.html
I was trying to find a link to the interview, but it must have not been published for the public, but Zimmerman tried to say he wasn't following Trayvon.
https://www.txantimedia.com/?p=999
There's a link to him saying he was on top of Martin, but he said it was after he shot him.
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Have you read Chapter 776 of the Florida Statutes?
"a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary ... to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony"
"“Forcible felony” means ... robbery; ... kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; ..."
So yeah, if you believe that someone is going to do one of those things, you can kill him. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to believe that such a thing could happen if you are walking down the street at night and someone gets out of a vehicle and begins to follow you.
Because the judge rejected Zimmerman's "stand your ground" defense, this discussion really isn't that pertinent, except to demonstrate that, under Florida law, confrontation should not be construed to preclude a reasonable fear of harm or death, which was my initial point.
I live in Florida and have my concealed permit so I have gone over these laws and even discussed them on a forum with a couple Florida lawyers. And trust me, your going to need a REAL good lawyer to get you out of "He was following me, and I thought he was up to no good".
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776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1 A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2 The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a)The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
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(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
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So are they considering that Trayvon Martin might have been "standing his own ground" and by shooting him Zimmerman was robbing him of his liberty to breathe? 
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"He puts his hand on my nose and my mouth, and he says 'You are going to die tonight," said Zimmerman. "As he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him… He is mounted on top of me, and I just shot him, and he falls off. And he's, like, ‘Alright you got it, you got it.’”
It's things like this that don't make any sense to me.
He's claimed multiple times that he was the one that can be heard screaming for help just before the gun was fired, but at the same time he also claims that he had a hand over his nose and his mouth when he fired.
One of many inconsistencies in his story.
And not to mention ... who talks like that? In his account, Trayvon sounds like the villain in a poorly written B-movie.
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"He puts his hand on my nose and my mouth, and he says 'You are going to die tonight," said Zimmerman. "As he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him… He is mounted on top of me, and I just shot him, and he falls off. And he's, like, ‘Alright you got it, you got it.’”
It's things like this that don't make any sense to me.
He's claimed multiple times that he was the one that can be heard screaming for help just before the gun was fired, but at the same time he also claims that he had a hand over his nose and his mouth when he fired.
One of many inconsistencies in his story.
And not to mention ... who talks like that? In his account, Trayvon sounds like the villain in a poorly written B-movie.
???? You don't think Zimmerman was fighting to get his mouth free and in times he did he would shout for help???
The Detective tried to trip him up by saying they got video of the incident and Zimmerman's reply was relief stating "Thank God I was hopeing someone would of got it on tape." In the end the Detective stated he believed Zimmerman. He wasn't arested and no charges were going to be filed until a "Special Prosecutor" with out the use of a Grand Jury decided differently.
I'm sorry but people are making his "discrepancies" to be more than what they are. A traumatic experience just happened and a guy with a broken nose and a head that was being bashed into concrete is going to tell the cops what happened and hours/days later when your head is clear and some of the emotional shock is wore off you are going to tell a story that doesn't 100% match the story you initially told. It doesn't make you guilty.
The biggest think the Defense has is the Cops believed him and didn't arrest him even stating that his story remained consistent. That came right from the Lead Detectives mouth on the witness stand.
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I'm sorry but people are making his "discrepancies" to be more than what they are. A traumatic experience just happened and a guy with a broken nose and a head that was being bashed into concrete is going to tell the cops what happened and hours/days later when your head is clear and some of the emotional shock is wore off you are going to tell a story that doesn't 100% match the story you initially told. It doesn't make you guilty.
First of all, I never said he was guilty. If I was on this jury, unless there's some bombshell that comes out down the line, it's a cut-and-dried 'not guilty'.
But it's not just a few minor discrepancies that are being magnified here. Very little of the guy's story makes any logical sense.
And do you actually believe this stuff about him having his head bashed into the concrete over 25 times? You're telling me a guy gets his head slammed into the concrete over two dozen times and he comes out with no concussion and a couple of cuts on the back of his head?
He also initially claimed that the 911 dispatcher advised him to get to a place where he could observe Martin. Was that on account of emotional shock, as well?
I have a very difficult time believing Zimmerman's account of the case. Too many lies, too many inconsistencies.
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I admit, I don't follow every second of the trial, nor do I read every article, but this is the first time I'm hearing that he said his head got bashed 25 times.
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
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Here is what is going to happen.......Nothing.
There may be a few demonstrations, here and there. But there won't be any rioting.
Bet on it.
PM me. I'll bet on it.
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
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What's the over/under on property damage ? Body count ? Number of arrests ? Total cost in Dollars ? Hmmm.... could be onto something here with American fascination with watching twisted crap like this coupled with the gambling potential . Could be like fantasy football .
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
Where did you guys read this? I'm not trying to be a jerk.
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
I don't think I've ever heard that he punched him once let alone 25 to 50 times..
Would you be so kind as to point me to some form of verification on that,,, something reliable please..
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
I don't think I've ever heard that he punched him once let alone 25 to 50 times..
Would you be so kind as to point me to some form of verification on that,,, something reliable please..
I will. This is from today's testimony. It involves Z's interview with Hannity a while back. Quote: "1:48 p.m. ET: Zimmerman said Martin may have punched him a dozen times, and he became scared for his life when Martin was slamming his head into the concrete."
(note: the 1:48 pm time is from the trial today - it's what time this was spoken in court, and it comes from the interview a long time ago.)
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-7?hpt=hp_t2
Also, just before that, this was played (again, this is NOT Z testifying in court. This is from an interview last year with Hannity)
"1:43 p.m. ET: Hannity asked if Martin was running away from him, because he didn't know who he was.
"He wasn't running out of fear," said Zimmerman.
Hannity asked, "You can tell the difference?"
"He wasn't running," said Zimmerman.
Hannity makes the point that Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that he thought the teenager was running."
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First time I've heard these "25-50" claims. Also anything about MMA training.
The MMA is not real relevant, but these numeric claims are. Nothing in trial transcripts about Z changing his story. Nothing at all.
Please cite a source or link, or just admit that you made it up out of thin air, which is my guess.
Sorry, Daman, meant to click on CHS.
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That's Zimmerman's claim.
He also claims that Trayvon punched him from 25-50 times or something crazy. This is all coming from the same guy who outweighs Trayvon and used to do MMA training for 3 days a week.
Something sounds kinda fishy here.
I don't think I've ever heard that he punched him once let alone 25 to 50 times..
Would you be so kind as to point me to some form of verification on that,,, something reliable please..
Do you not have access to Google?
Not only has it been widely reported, but it's currently a point of debate in the trial. A simple search without much digging would've led you to the relevant information right away.
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In some statements, Zimmerman said his head was battered many times, perhaps 25 or more
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-resumes-tuesday-20130701,0,5154337.story
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At one point, Serino tells Zimmerman that his statements of being hit 25 to 30 times were "not quite consistent" with the level of his injuries from the confrontation with Martin.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-zimmerman-trial-20130702,0,5261421.story
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Serino told the jury on Monday that he did not believe that Martin had knocked Zimmerman to the ground with one blow, nor that he punched Zimmerman 25 to 30 times because Zimmerman did not appear to be hurt that badly.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/02/lead-detective-to-testify-again-in-zimmerman-trial
Those were the first 3 articles to come up. They were very easy to find.
Don't ask others to do your homework for you.
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