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I wonder if at some point mr. obama will weigh in about his "son?" *smh* He along with the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Jamie Foxx, as well as the good folks at pMSNBC played the race card, plain and simple.
He addressed those remarks to Martin's parents.
What specifically was wrong with what he said?
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I wonder if at some point mr. obama will weigh in about his "son?" *smh* He along with the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Jamie Foxx, as well as the good folks at pMSNBC played the race card, plain and simple.
He addressed those remarks to Martin's parents.
What specifically was wrong with what he said?
Would he have been as compassionate if this happened to Zimmerman? Probably not.
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There is only one side of this story known, (Zimmerman's side), but the fact remains that a 17 year old kid was walking down the sidewalk minding his own business. He was first followed and then approached by Zimmerman and ended up getting shot to death.
We'll never know the verbal exchange between the two of them. We'll never know exactly how the fight got started. But we do know that Zimmerman approached the kid, who was doing nothing wrong, and then murdered him and got away with it.
Given the scenario, it smells rotten to me.
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I was not aware that Martin was ever "approached" by Zimmerman, just followed briefly. My understanding is that the confrontation was initiated by Martin after Zimmerman had disengaged and retreated to his vehicle. Who approached whom?
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There is only one side of this story known, (Zimmerman's side), but the fact remains that a 17 year old kid was walking down the sidewalk minding his own business. He was first followed and then approached by Zimmerman and ended up getting shot to death.
We'll never know the verbal exchange between the two of them. We'll never know exactly how the fight got started. But we do know that Zimmerman approached the kid, who was doing nothing wrong, and then murdered him and got away with it.
Given the scenario, it smells rotten to me.
That might not be entirely accurate though. (If I heard the defense correctly) They said that Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman. In that case, which the jury has to have believed, then Martin was the aggressor. Did he have reason to be worried about a man following him? Definitely. Should he have circled back instead of heading straight home? Almost certainly not.
If events occurred as the defense says, then Martin would have had 4 minutes to get home, (a point driven home by the defense) about 100 yards or so from where Zimmerman got out of his car. I could make that even in my current condition. Instead, Martin circled back to jump out of the shadows to confront Zimmerman. The testimony that Zimmerman seemed confused as to who Martin was when he confronted Zimmerman would indicate that Zimmerman had lost sight of Martin entirely.
There were a lot of mistakes made that night, by both people involved. Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car. Martin should never have circled back to confront, and by the reports, attack Zimmerman. If Zimmerman stays in his car, or Martin runs home to get away from a potentially dangerous situation, instead of moving to confront the person following him, then we never even know the names George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin. That is what I wish had happened. Unfortunately, wishes won't change anything.
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Here is what is going to happen.......Nothing.
There may be a few demonstrations, here and there. But there won't be any rioting.
Bet on it.
PM me. I'll bet on it.
You guys end up making that bet? 
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Actually, I never saw the post or I would have bet on it. I'm not on here as much as I used to be so I must have just missed it.
As I said back then I just didn't see the actual outrage that would lead to the mass mayhem that some of the guys on here seemed to not only expect but actually relish.
I don't watch as much TV news as I used to so I don't know if anything violent has happened today. But I'm betting it was minimal at worst.
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As I said back then I just didn't see the actual outrage that would lead to the mass mayhem that some of the guys on here seemed to not only expect but actually relish.
Neither did I.
But I don't think it was outrage so much as location. Riots generally don't happen simply because people are mad about something. It's usually rooted in socioeconomic issues, with whatever instance (or verdict) just serving as a spark.
If this case was being tried in the Miami-Dade County Courthouse on Flagler, I might not have been so assured.
And I think for the most part, conversation here was pretty respectable. There was some coded racism, but relative to other discussions you can find online, it was quite tame.
I think jfanent provided some great thoughtful insight throughout the trial, as well.
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If this the roles were reversed do you think there's any doubt Martin would already have served a year in prison? 
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People have been saying stupid things for as long as language exists. I don't think this is a sign of the apocalypse. 
You're right. The sign of the apocalypse for this country has passed long ago. If you're looking for it now, you'll never see it coming. We have, I think, already passed the point of no return.
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Plus, they're upset, which is a valid reaction to have after something like this. Twitter just made it able for us to hear them (which many have deleted or rephrased).
*shrug* I don't have a Twitter account. I won't either. When I can get myself to the point of 'disappearing', I'll do so. For all you folks will know about it, I'll have fallen off the face of the earth. I'll leave society to implode. As far as I'm concerned, let the race riots begin.
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If this the roles were reversed do you think there's any doubt Martin would already have served a year in prison?
Who knows? Sharpton would've probably posted his bail. 
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They said that Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman. In that case, which the jury has to have believed,
We disagree here.
I don't believe that the jury "had to believe" Zimmerman at all in this case.
The prosecution had a case to present that left the jury without "a reasonable doubt" that the crime was committed.
You don't have to believe the account Zimmerman gave, you just have to have some reasonable doubt as to what he did or didn't do exactly.
I honestly feel that's where people get confused sometimes. All one needs is a reasonable doubt to find someone not guilty. There are certain guidelines that must be met to establish guilt according to law. Just because a jury finds someone not guilty, it doesn't mean they believe one story more than another, it's that a certain burden of proof has not been met.
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If this the roles were reversed do you think there's any doubt Martin would already have served a year in prison?
No doubt at all, he'd be serving 7-10 for involuntary manslaughter (as Zimmerman should be doing) because that's what the facts of the case dictated. The prosecution wouldn't have been pressured by the activists and the media to pursue an unwinnable murder charge. All of this racial BS should be directed toward those responsible for this fiasco.
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Well, maybe my statement was a bit strong ...... but it's more likely that they believed that the events occurred the way that Zimmerman's lawyers said than anything the prosecution presented.
The way that Zimmerman's lawyer presented the case, especially the way that he timed out the 4 minute head start that Martin had to get away from Zimmerman was brilliant. I have to believe that the jury was definitely swayed by that presentation.
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Aren't I though?
Coincidentally, I'm finding myself caring less and less about professional sports teams too, including the Browns and Indians. If they disappeared today, I would still miss them. Give me a year or so, I'm not sure I will care.
Don't get me wrong, I'm trying to hold on but I really find myself caring less and less.
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I'm sure we'll find out what the jurors think once the networks start doling out interview money, but an acquittal doesn't necessarily mean they believe Zimmerman's story.
Look up interviews with the Casey Anthony jurors. I'm pretty sure that every one of them that talked to the press said something along the lines of 'She was guilty as hell, and we wished we could've stuck it to her, but the evidence just wasn't there'.
You never know a jury's thought process.
If I was on that jury, I would've voted not guilty on all accounts, but it wouldn't have been because I believed Zimmerman's story.
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If this the roles were reversed do you think there's any doubt Martin would already have served a year in prison?
No doubt at all, he'd be serving 7-10 for involuntary manslaughter (as Zimmerman should be doing) because that's what the facts of the case dictated. The prosecution wouldn't have been pressured by the activists and the media to pursue an unwinnable murder charge. All of this racial BS should be directed toward those responsible for this fiasco.
Huh. Talk about racist. You're trying to say if that kid would have shot Zimmerman, he'd already be serving 10. I doubt it.
Why doesn't anyone see this case from my point of view? If martin had never punched Zimmerman in the face, no fight, no shooting. If martin had enough cahones to say to Zimmerman, "Can I help you, sir?", no fight, no shooting. That kid circled back, and put himself in a confrontation with what he thought was a pudgy "white cracker". Not to mention, martin's main witness saw nothing wrong with calling someone a cracker, which is an obvious racial slur. That 4 minutes was also a huge clue as to what actually happened. Zimmerman never changed his story.
I'm curious if anyone here that posts comments about, "he shouldn't have followed him or profiled him", ever watch someone they know doesn't belong in their neighborhood. When you identify a person to the police, do you refuse to mention their race to keep from being racist? This stupid story isn't just hitting the ridiculous wall, it's smashing right through it.
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I'm not saying that the above statements are true or accurate ... but where do you get racist?
I'll say this and let it go, because I'm not trying to debate racism today... but there's a very legitimate chance that if the shoe was on the other foot, Martin gets shot by police before he even has his day in court.
If you're black, you face a lot more danger in that regard. I'm sorry, that's just a fact. Is it racism? Maybe, maybe not. There's plenty of perspectives that while not right, are understandable.
Let's face it - if you're looking at things from a legal or law enforcement point of view... blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes. It's not because they're black, it's because what's really true is that poor, uneducated people are more likely to commit violent crimes. And blacks tend to be more likely to be poor and uneducated.
But let's not pretend like justice is blind. Especially not in the streets. How often do you hear about unarmed white kids wearing J. Crew getting gunned down by police?
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Huh. Talk about racist. You're trying to say if that kid would have shot Zimmerman, he'd already be serving 10. I doubt it.
You misunderstood my post. I'm saying Martin would be in jail because he would have been convicted of involuntary manslaught....as Zimmerman should have been. There would have been no pressure on the prosecution to pursue a stiffer (though unwinnable) punishment.
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You misunderstood my post. I'm saying Martin would be in jail because he would have been convicted of involuntary manslaught....as Zimmerman should have been. There would have been no pressure on the prosecution to pursue a stiffer (though unwinnable) punishment.
You're The Man in this thread.
CNN or FOX should mic you up.
Couple hundred bucks to get yelled at by Sean Hannity?
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I'd prefer Megyn Kelley.
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I'd prefer Megyn Kelley.
Just don't say anything sexist or she'll bite your head off. 
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People have been saying stupid things for as long as language exists. I don't think this is a sign of the apocalypse.
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Plus, they're upset, which is a valid reaction to have after something like this. Twitter just made it able for us to hear them (which many have deleted or rephrased).
*shrug* I don't have a Twitter account. I won't either. When I can get myself to the point of 'disappearing', I'll do so. For all you folks will know about it, I'll have fallen off the face of the earth. I'll leave society to implode. As far as I'm concerned, let the race riots begin.
Great message. You've given up on the country and you want people to get hurt. Note to self, add to ignore list.
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And blacks tend to be more likely to be poor and uneducated.
I wonder why??
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And blacks tend to be more likely to be poor and uneducated.
I wonder why??
A couple hundred years of oppression and a lack of basic rights might have something to do with it.
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I have a question. It's a hypothetical.
However the circumstances that led to it, lets assume that someone that is physically bigger and stronger than you has you pinned down on your back, has already broken your nose with a coupla punches.. and is currently busy bashing your head on the sidewalk.
You have a loaded gun in your hand. What would you do?
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*shrug* I don't have a Twitter account. I won't either. When I can get myself to the point of 'disappearing', I'll do so. For all you folks will know about it, I'll have fallen off the face of the earth. I'll leave society to implode. As far as I'm concerned, let the race riots begin.
Will your wife be joining you?
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Great message. You've given up on the country and you want people to get hurt. Note to self, add to ignore list.
Whoopee! Add me to every ignore list. *shrug*
Now, as for me, I want nobody to get hurt but I'm realistic. People are going to get hurt. They're going to get killed. I'm sure you'd have loved King George III, wouldn't you? The Founding Fathers had had enough of their government too and formed a new country.
As for where this country is headed, it's going to be ugly and I recommend that you be prepared if you want a chance to survive.
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*shrug* I don't have a Twitter account. I won't either. When I can get myself to the point of 'disappearing', I'll do so. For all you folks will know about it, I'll have fallen off the face of the earth. I'll leave society to implode. As far as I'm concerned, let the race riots begin.
Will your wife be joining you?
Joining me where? Disappearing? As far as I can tell, she's on-board with it. We've discussed where and when and how.
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A couple hundred years of oppression and a lack of basic rights might have something to do with it.
Come on PDR that's a BS argument and you know it.....The blacks have been in the position they have been for the past few hundred years because "THEY HAVE CHOSEN THAT PATH FOR THEMSELVES"
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Did you know the Jews have been kicked out 109 countries since 250 A.D? Not to mention being enslaved, butchered, their property and wealth stolen, and treated as sub-human pices of trash not only by the Nazi's, but by countless other regimes as well before the Nazi's.
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1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LĀbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries
Now when the Blacks even come close to this kinda persecution....then they "might" have an argument to cry about....and I didn't even get into The Jews being nearly exterminated by the largest genocide in history...I don't think the blacks had to deal with that.
So please...the Blacks can shut their pipe and quit crying...the Jews succeed despite EVERYTHING stacked against them...The Black Community needs to quit "blaming Whitey" and look in the mirror and start blaming themselves...if they would quit listening to Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest of the NAACP and actually step of the plantation, they just may find out they can excel...but that's not going to happen until they quit blaming the whites, Hispanics, or whoever else and start looking in the mirror.
If the Jews can do it, so can they...the difference is the Jews actually wanted to excel and worked hard for it...the Blacks for the large majority have chosen not to....that's their own fault.
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