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Best DB maybe in blitzing and run stopping support, but he has a lot of room for improvement in his coverage.
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What's my opinion? The part where I questioned your use of the word "think?" The part about not knowing who would start? The part about neither of the two guys have proven a thing? Which one. Those were the things I was talking about when I addressed your post. The Haden and Ward comments were extra, although I will stand by them.
I'd respond but then you'd probably come back with a clever retort like,,,, Go away
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Best DB maybe in blitzing and run stopping support, but he has a lot of room for improvement in his coverage.
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97. T.J. Ward, S, Cleveland Browns (Unranked)
Playing in Cleveland doesn’t always lend itself to having your performances rewarded with nationwide praise. So while you don’t often hear the name of Ward mentioned among the better safeties in the league, don’t think that’s a reflection on what he did in 2012. A real force in the box, Ward is more than just adequate in coverage, allowing just 12 receptions into his coverage all year.
Best Performance: Week 12 versus Pittsburgh, +3.7
Key Stat: Missed just one tackle for every 17.5 he attempted in 2012. That was the second best number of all safeties.
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Steve,, didn't you get the memo,, you are NOT allowed to use stats if they prove someone else to be incorrect.. Come on man,, Get with the Program 
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Man, I can feel the piling on beginning.
I missed that stat being displayed before. It is surprising. I would like to know, though, how many times he was targeted as opposed to other DBs, like Haden.
Based on what I've seen, though, not any stats, I do feel like his coverage and open-field tackling need some work.
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Man, I can feel the piling on beginning.
I missed that stat being displayed before. It is surprising. I would like to know, though, how many times he was targeted as opposed to other DBs, like Haden.
Based on what I've seen, though, not any stats, I do feel like his coverage and open-field tackling need some work.
Sorry,, didn't mean to pile on,, Just joking around.. The problem with message boards is that you can't always tell if someone is serious or kidding. I did put up the LMAO thingy so I thought that would be good enough.. sorry if you took it wrong.
Point is, he's considered to be better than many people give him credit for being.
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What's my opinion? The part where I questioned your use of the word "think?" The part about not knowing who would start? The part about neither of the two guys have proven a thing? Which one. Those were the things I was talking about when I addressed your post. The Haden and Ward comments were extra, although I will stand by them.
I'd respond but then you'd probably come back with a clever retort like,,,, Go away
Yeah, I lack the cleverness that you so aptly displayed in the above reply.
Methinks you had no facts to back-up your point of view.
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Our secondary is frighteningly unproven and sketchy. I think Wynn outplayed Hughes by a country mile and I didn't think Hughes looked that good at all.
Other than that I agree, our front 7 should be the best we've had in a long time.
We are completely unproven at the #2 CB, but Haden is proven, Ward is proven. And I think that Bademosi will be fine as well. Pro Bowl Level, no,,But quality.. Yes.
We'll have to see what we have at the #2 CB spot.. that's the only real weakness and it's really not a weakness so much as it's an unknown/unproven.
At this point I can't trust Ward to stay on the field. The depth is laughable at really either safety position. I like Haden a lot but he is a bit over rated, if he weren't a first round pick guys would be all over him for his flaws. Until proven otherwise an unknown, given our history is a weakness.
On the other hand I think Skrine is under rated and we did grab another corner high in the draft.
The new staff seems unconcerned about the secondary. Their one goal is pressure on the quarterback. They believe that pressure will alleviate any downside of having a less that stellar secondary. Perhaps they are right.... we shall see come September. I do think that if you're one goal is getting to the quarterback then you better GET to the QB. If they don't, we are going to give up a lot of big plays.
I hope Taylor can transition to the Nose. But hoping doesn't make it a reality. He can say it's not much different but he's kidding himself if he really believes that. He'll be double teamed virtually every play. His job isn't to get to the QB it's to eat blockers so others can.
Casey Hamption: played in 157 regular season games, recording 350 tackles, 9.0 sacks, three pass deflected, four forced fumbles, and two recovered fumbles.
9 sacks total for his career with the Steelers. That's what a Nose does in our new defense. Will Taylor accept that role? Will he get frustrated like Shaun Rogers did?
We all hope Taylor will excel at the Nose, that Sheard will take to linebacker, that Rubin can play defensive end, that Hughes and Winn will fit in somewhere. But those things are not a certainty. If it was so easy to switch places Corey Williams would have been a good defensive end.
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Can someone try to explain to me why they're saying Rubin will be DE and Taylor will play NT? Rubin was an excellent NT, and Taylor would be a beast on the end.
I understand that Horton is going to have these guys moving all around the line, but to me, Rubin should be the main guy to man the nose position, as he's done that well before.
Also, what was Horton's CB situation in 'Zona? What was the talent level of the secondary there (outside of Peterson)? I'm asking because I'm looking at the roster, and I'm seeing a lot of people I've never heard of.
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Bait and switch?
I had the same thought too. And NT is a lot about want to. I know that Rubin would give 100% eating double teams. I'm a lot less certain of Taylor even if he has the superior physical make up for it.
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They believe that pressure will alleviate any downside of having a less that stellar secondary. Perhaps they are right.... we shall see come September. I do think that if you're one goal is getting to the quarterback then you better GET to the QB. If they don't, we are going to give up a lot of big plays.
Can you provide a quote from the Brown's staff that backs up this statement? I doubt it. I think it is just you hating on the new guys, yet again.
Yes, we will see come September, but are you suggesting we would have had a great team had we stayed staus quo? 14 and 34 over the last three years and you are going to judge the new guys in September?
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I really thought they would play Reubin at the nose and Taylor at DE, too. The only thing I heard is that Reubin gets sealed too easily in the middle on running plays. Perhaps Taylor will gain even more weight and plug the middle? I don't know.
Peterson is a very good corner. He's already surpassed Haden. They had William Gay at the other corner. That's the guy who used to get burned all the time when he was w/the Steelers. I think Pittsburgh re-signed him. They had Adrian Wilson at SS, who was a fixture there for years. He's getting older. Kerry Rhodes is impressive at times, but takes too many risks at FS. I didn't watch many Cardinal games last year. Sorry.
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Peterson is a very good corner. He's already surpassed Haden.
You and I are in agreement on Haden. We are probably his biggest critics on this board.
But I have to call BS on this. I think people get Peterson the Returner confused with Peterson the Corner. Peterson was awful at corner last year. He was picked on quite a bit. He has a way to go to get to Haden's level.
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You could be right about Peterson. I haven't seen Arizona play much. I was going more no other people's ratings.
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Couldn't find much on the 2012 season. Just his rookie year.
http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2012/1/...-not-in-a-good-
I did see an increase in INTs n Fumble Recoveries...if I remember correctly he had 7 INTs n 5 FR last season which is pretty good. As noted these are highlights most of his peers remember. Haden although knocks down a lot of passes just doesn't have the High Light of INTs n returned fumbles. From what I see I think Peterson plays hip to hip with the WR more consistently good than Haden. Haden plays Zone better coming up n deflecting passes or preventing YAC.
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They believe that pressure will alleviate any downside of having a less that stellar secondary. Perhaps they are right.... we shall see come September. I do think that if you're one goal is getting to the quarterback then you better GET to the QB. If they don't, we are going to give up a lot of big plays.
Can you provide a quote from the Brown's staff that backs up this statement? I doubt it. I think it is just you hating on the new guys, yet again.
You are a funny man at times. When the new FO spends its two top FA signings and a top 10 pick on the front 7 and neglects to put any "high investment" in the secondary, the evidence is abundant.
I have been taught that actions speak louder than words. And that people invest in what they believe in. It's obvious to anyone looking at the investment this team made, that they concentrated mainly on the front 7. It's also been widely reported they want an attacking style of D. As much as you may wish not to admit it, 2+2=4.
I don't really see where anyone is "hating" on anybody. Of course that's how you label anyone and everyone who questions this FO. I call it your "one size fits all policy".
For "this year", the statement made about "They better get to the QB" is true. The fact they neglected to make a major investment in the secondary and focused all of their major investments in the front 7 is true.
Will they try to repair the secondary next off season? I would hope so but none of us really know. You keep talking about people having an agenda? Well my friend I believe yours is obvious.
I feel that a lot of us simply feel the D is not a finished product. While the front 7 is strong, the weaknesses in the secondary will have to be addressed before it is a finished product. I don't feel the O is nearly a finished product but I tipped my hat to this FO for using this coming season as an evaluation year in that respect because of having so much young talent.
Other than Bess and Nelson signing, the vast majority of their $$$ eggs were invested in one basket. That's a basic fact of the matter. I'm not here to condemn anyone for that.
But in all honesty, if you come to town and decide to completely change your style of D, a lot of investment is needed. They began that job. I don't feel anyone is hating on them about that.
Would I have like to have seen maybe one major FA signing in the secondary rather than have only concentrated them all on the front 7? Yes I would have. Does that mean I too hate them because I would have done something slightly different?
In your world it does.........
In mine it doesn't. But what it does mean is if we don't get consistant pressure on the opposing QB's, we will get burnt long. You know that as well as anyone.
Does that make you're a hater too?
Just askin'.......
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But in all honesty, if you come to town and decide to completely change your style of D, a lot of investment is needed. They began that job. I don't feel anyone is hating on them about that.
just me... I am probably the only person who was upset that we wasted so much $ and talent just to go to a different style of D. We should have been able to focus our efforts this year on our two pieces in the secondary and we would have been set- maybe a OLB.
after that- we should have been able to go focus on O like crazy.
That didn't happen and it is water after the bridge
Now, it's time to retool for the next few years- hopefully we won't do the same thing again in 3 years. I don't think I can stand another rebuild/retool.
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I've said that about the last 7 rebuilds.. yet here I am. 
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
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who wasn't saying we needed a CB2 and a FS? that was right up there with OG, TE, FB, and, yes, edge rusher. We ended up signing/drafting 3 edge rushers (Kruger, Mingo, Groves) and bolstered the interior line (Bryant).
we may have addressed CB2, but I would feel a whole lot better if we had gotten a veteran for that slot. FS apparently is being taken care of in-house, which scares many of us. Same with OG, TE, and FB.
all while sitting on $30mil in cap room. I really hope we get the extensions done with our young corps because otherwise it is going to be really annoying when these positions are struggling and most of us on the board knew it was an issue.
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From my perspective, next year during draft/free agency time we will say we desperately need a 2nd CB, FS, and TE ... and most likely will be drafting a QB with our 1st round pick.
We better front load extensions to Mack/Haden/etc this year so they aren't a concern next year
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Revisionist? It was pretty unanimous that we needed a high pick or vet to plug in at CB2 in addition to a FS. I like what they're doing at FS, but am worried about CB2
Overall, I'm kind of torn on how they approached the defense this off-season. I like that they decided they were going to fix specific things, and then fixed the you-know-what out of it (all the FAs and draft picks poured into the front 7). I don't like that they created new holes because of the scheme change, but we knew that was a possibility when Shurmer got canned.
You can argue that they didn't address the correct area (front 7 instead of the DBs), but I like their attitude. They're only going to do a couple things, but those things will be done right.
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
Just about everyone on this board was talking about it.. It was the topic of discussion on just about any draft thread. It came up in at least a couple of hundred posts from just about everyone that posts regularly..
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They believe that pressure will alleviate any downside of having a less that stellar secondary. Perhaps they are right.... we shall see come September. I do think that if you're one goal is getting to the quarterback then you better GET to the QB. If they don't, we are going to give up a lot of big plays.
Can you provide a quote from the Brown's staff that backs up this statement? I doubt it. I think it is just you hating on the new guys, yet again.
Yes, we will see come September, but are you suggesting we would have had a great team had we stayed staus quo? 14 and 34 over the last three years and you are going to judge the new guys in September?
Vers, you jumped on Shurmur after GAME ONE. Forgive me if I don't take your advice on how long I should give them. You're hardly in a position to talk...
You crack me up man. Complaining about the record when 5-11 of that was under your hero boy. Two 5-11 seasons, and one HORRIFIC draft and Mangini was a god. The greatest coach that ever lived. But put a record like that on Shurmur, while going from the oldest team in the league to one of the youngest.... They're all idiots and pig faces. *snicker*
Who needs a quote. When you concentrate on the front seven in the draft and FA it doesn't take a genius to understand the plan. Plus every pundit has been writing since day ONE that the plan is ATTACK and they feel the secondary is of lesser concern. They may be right. If we get 50+ sacks this year our secondary may be fine as is....
That's another one of those wait for September issues....
Heckert says, "We are going to build through the draft" you say he's an idiot.
Banner says, "We are going to build through the draft" and he's a genius.
For years you've been pimping taking linemen in the draft. Heckert does and he sucks. Perhaps you should make up your mind dude....
And show me one post I made that has "hated" on the coaching staff.... I've said all along, I'll wait to see how we play come September. Unlike you that insists they've already accomplished so much.... Our Draft was perfect, and our free agents are all studs. Before ONE game is played. Well, forgive me if I wait to see this awesomeness on the field before I claim it to be true.
We were told that this new staff would gear their schemes to our present players. So that means our players will play BETTER in the new schemes. Sheard will improve at his new position. Taylor will play BETTER at the nose. Rubin will excel at DE. Etc. So come September I do actually expect to see improvement over last year. Had we NOT changed schemes these players would have improved.
I do hope the new guys continue to build this team as the former regime has. Through the draft. And yes, I wish we had stuck with the 4-3 and WCO. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the systems we will be running. But switching every couple years seems counter-productive.
Norv runs a PROVEN system. Horton runs a PROVEN system. That's all I really care about. I know you don't care for proven schemes. You much prefer first year coordinators running schemes they draw out of a hat.... but happily the new guys didn't go that way.
I am fine with this staff so far. We shall see how good they really are once September arrives. If we win, if we show improvement then I'm behind them all the way. If we lose, and look bad doing so.... well then all bets are off. But until we actually play some games no one really knows how this will play out.
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
We did need an edge rusher/linebacker. Can't play this defense without them. Steelers have gotten along with a less than stellar secondary for years while playing this same defense. If we can play like them, we should be alright. But we do need to GET that kind of pressure. We drafted Bark, they took Jarvis Jones. Both play the same position. So that's another thing to look at once the season starts. A tale of two linebackers.....
The fact is by switching TO this new D we created certain holes that needed filling. And by looking to fill those holes we passed on upgrading the secondary to a certain extent. We drafted a rookie DB and we signed a couple second tier FA's and that seems to be good enough for the new regime. I wasn't knocking them for that, just pointing it out. If it works like it does with the Steelers then off we go. If not then we'll probably give up a lot of big plays and it will be a long season. It is what it is. They are running it their way. Only time will tell if it's right or not.
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Outside of this statement I agree 1000% with what your saying here Spirit.... 
Now for those among you that don't know Spirit and I rarely agree, and I will say the concerns that are being expressed are valid.......
But it's accurate to point out that Pitt never did have a great secondary and they still don't and yet they field one of the top defenses year after year because they pressure, and that is what we are going to do and we have the horses to get it done...
Sure we are missing pieces or maybe were not but this defense will bring pressure to me there just isn't any doubt about that, and we have a lot of ways of doing that so the backend is of concern sure it is but the way will play the backend isn't going to be asked to hang with WR's for long and after the oppositions QB has been smacked down a few times he will be more concerned about his survival then he will with completing passes.
The front end we will see this year is going to be unlike anything we have EVER seen in Cleveland before, the table is set for us to do great things and we have the horses. Gone are the days when we counted on 4-5 guys on defense stepping up and playing beyond anything they have ever done before. The ONLY thing we need now is for guys to play to their potential and will be good real good...
The offense still has the QB thingy hanging over it for sure it does but with a great D and an OK offense will get it done regardless of how well Weedon works out. For all the fault there is to find in Weedons game I tell myself these things.
Good solid OL's always give your offense a chance. If teams stack the LOS like they did last year I think Weedon can burn them over the top. The guy had a life time to throw last year..
The thing I see Turner doing with Weedon is he is speeding up practice and in doing that he is setting the table for the actual game to slow down for Weedon, its so simple its genius.
If Weedon fails we have Campbell who isn't great but he doesn't totally suck either, so I see Weedon getting the nod for NOW with Campbell for insurance. So while our QB play may not be great it will be adequate, we can win with less then great QB play because we are strong on defense and will have a running game to complement the defense and the passing game...
Now to repeat we will always be able to poke holes in the team in some area or another but we have most of the areas of this team well covered...
I think we will win more games then anyone believes possible for 2 reasons we have the coaching and we have the talent to do just that....
This season is going to be a absolute blast............... 
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
Just about everyone on this board was talking about it.. It was the topic of discussion on just about any draft thread. It came up in at least a couple of hundred posts from just about everyone that posts regularly..
Wanna tell me to "go away" again..
How freaking old are you? I told you to go away when you were doing nothing but insulting me. I would have rather told you something else, but I can't get away w/the things you do.
I know exactly what was going on. Almost everyone was talking about the need for an edge rusher, first and foremost. When we signed Kruger and Bryant there were a lot of posts about how we were going to dump Taylor. Dump Sheard. Dump Reubin.
I made multiple posts that I didn't believe we would dump any of those guys and if guys wanted to complain, they should start looking at the secondary. I did this multiple times. Once a few got on the bandwagon, it took off. But don't tell me that people were yelling for secondary help BEFORE they were clamoring for an edge rusher. That is not true!!!!!!!
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Tired of hashing it out w/you. No problem. Slam them after game one.Heck, keep slamming them now. I really don't care. Enjoy yourself.
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
Umm, really?
I remember you trashing me and everyone else for criticizing this FO for not signing one of the many good no2 CBs and FS who were available in FA. You defended it by saying that Heckert did nothing there too...and now you're the one acting like saying it all along? Priceless
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
Maybe I'm missing something......
An edge rusher would equal one OLB. Many, myself included, felt Sheard would do just fine on the other side.
We were told the talent we had fit this scheme better than the 4-3, at least many felt we were fine on the DL considering the previous scheme actually had one more starter on the DL than the new one.
So how did it end up? Both our top draft pick and our highest FA dollars were spent on OLB.
And if you seriously feel most of the posters on this board felt our top three investments would be on the front seven and we had Buster Skrine to start at CB, or a third round draft pick?
I just don't see that adding up here.
It may work out well. I'm not predicting failure. But it is and has been a huge concern by many. It wasn't some revelation to anyone that I can think of. Actually I think many underestimated how well Sheldon Brown played and wanted an upgrade from him.
And that was from last season going into this season. So knowing our secondary needed addressed isn't new to most anyone here that I know of. And it was easy to figure that when Brown was let go, that one of our major investments would be at CB.
I don't dispute that everyone was calling for "an edge rusher", but that's a far cry from using your three top investments in the front seven.
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like others...I too thought it would be Rubin at NT as he played it pretty darn good w/RAC n Mangini.
From what I do understand on reading interviews with Horton n Chud. Taylor fits in their attack mode n it all stems from getting pressure on the QB. Not sure what kind of Gap Discipline they will be running but what I THINK is coming we will not play 2 gap very much n instead will attack certain gaps with NT n LB blitz.???
As for Rubin he worked with the new Strength n conditioning coach. He dropped around 20-30 pounds and is said to be around 300 now. He did so to play DE and it looks like the D coaching staff like what they see from his film. A leaner faster 300 DE on the left side who has an incredible motor and if Butch Davis was here would describe him as a "BUZZ SAW". I'm looking forward to see what he brings this year!
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IMO, My concern with Taylor isn't his ability to play NT but rather his mindset playing the position. Taylor comes across to me as the guy that wants to make the big plays inside, the guy to squash the QB or tackle the RB for the loss...essentially, to be the highlight guy. As NT, that won't be his role unless the Browns move him outside at some point. Can Taylor move aside the desire to be that guy and settle for eating blocks and allowing others to have the glory? Time will tell.
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As Eo said, and i agree. I don't see as much 2 gap that require to hold your position. I think we will attack more gaps and Taylor will do a fine job of that.
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I agree we needed help in the secondary. The problem I have is that not too many people were talking about that. All I heard is that we needed an edge rusher. Now, people are acting like it wasn't an issue.
Umm, really?
I remember you trashing me and everyone else for criticizing this FO for not signing one of the many good no2 CBs and FS who were available in FA. You defended it by saying that Heckert did nothing there too...and now you're the one acting like saying it all along? Priceless
Sure, here is a post I made over 3 months ago. It's on page 6 or 7. It's about not trading Sheard or Taylor. Here is what I said:
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If you wanna complain, perhaps you should switch your argument to this. You really expose your secondary when you attack so much. You better have corners who can cover and a FS who can roam the field. Yes, quick pressure will hide some problems in the secondary. However, there are going to be plenty of times the pressure won't get there. Our secondary is a huge weakness.
Haden is pretty good, but overrated by most. There are WRs who run away from him when they run crossing routes. Yes, those plays take time to develop, but he gives up those plays. I am not saying he is weak, but he is not quite as great as almost everyone says he is.
Our other corner is a huge question mark? It better not be Skrine or we are in trouble. We need a corner. BAD!
Ward is good in the run game. He will probably blitz a lot under Horton. He will make big plays. But, he is terrible in pass coverage. Some of the worst hips I have ever seen. Doesn't read well. Gets lost in space.
FS? We don't have one and this is the most glaring need on our team. Mike Adams is good enough for Denver, but not us. I am not saying he is great, but he is better than what we currently have. All I know is that we really need an upgrade here. I wanted Golston from SF so bad. Detroit just got Houston's FS. I hope we address this position.
As always, you guys resort to freaking lies. I posted several posts like the one above. Stop w/your revisionist history.
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Aside from you fighting windmills yet again as others have pointed out (yeah, you were so avantgarde with wanting a FS or CB, lol)
Why did you trash posters and throw agenda accusations around when you actually agree with what they're demanding? You wanted a CB and/or FS yourself, yet you defended the new regime for not signing one at every turn. What is it? I asked that one way back and got no response then....I don't expect to get much more now because the answer has little to do with football
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like others...I too thought it would be Rubin at NT as he played it pretty darn good w/RAC n Mangini.
From what I do understand on reading interviews with Horton n Chud. Taylor fits in their attack mode n it all stems from getting pressure on the QB. Not sure what kind of Gap Discipline they will be running but what I THINK is coming we will not play 2 gap very much n instead will attack certain gaps with NT n LB blitz.???
As for Rubin he worked with the new Strength n conditioning coach. He dropped around 20-30 pounds and is said to be around 300 now. He did so to play DE and it looks like the D coaching staff like what they see from his film. A leaner faster 300 DE on the left side who has an incredible motor and if Butch Davis was here would describe him as a "BUZZ SAW". I'm looking forward to see what he brings this year!
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I wonder who that new S&C coach is? He worked with one in Texas a couple years back... My son was working with him as well. I tell you what he was a hard working SOB especially in this heat.
I got to meet him and got his john hancocok... pretty cool guy., ( and as you might expect my sons favorite Brownie)
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I wonder who that new S&C coach is?
Some former East Germany Strength coach??? He worked with Marecic n a couple of others. Pretty sure Rubin worked with him in the off season. I could be wrong.
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Why did you trash posters and throw agenda accusations around when you actually agree with what they're demanding? You wanted a CB and/or FS yourself, yet you defended the new regime for not signing one at every turn. What is it? I asked that one way back and got no response then....I don't expect to get much more now because the answer has little to do with football
I can't speak for Vers and nor do I understand some of that myself. But I can say this........
This FO decided to address the front seven mainly and see how the rest develops. Yes they did add some pieces outside of that but let's face it, the biggest three investments rested here.
I actually remember the thread you are speaking of. I'm also not attacking this FO for not signing a FA CB. I disagree with the way the put all of their eggs in one basket regarding the front seven, but I do understand it.
Much as they are doing on the O side, they're simply taking a wait and see approach and will have enough cap space to address glaring needs next year. The players who progress and grow into their positions, fine. Those in need of replacement and upgrades can be addressed in the draft and the FA market.
Where I think, at least from my perspective, is that it seems some have a need to defend every move this FO makes. That if you show cause, concern or disagree with the new FO about anything, you're labeled as hating them or loving the past regime and are blinded by that.
That's the thing that I think separates much of the debate and friction here. I mean who can honestly look at Lombadri's resume and not have questions? Who can't see that when Sheldon Brown leaves and we have a third round rookie and Buster Skrine to take his place that isn't a downgrade?
Who can't see that this new FO put the vast majority of their eggs all in one basket regarding the front seven?
I think we all can.
Ever since all of that has went down, I have been one who says I believe our D will be vastly improved "in the long run". The why to that is quite simple. While our front seven has been upgraded on paper, our secondary is also weaker on paper.
All I can say is that I have no iron in the fire. I'll be happy with anyone who gives us a winner which I think is a fairly common theme among Browns fans. If I have questions about a regime, I will bring them up.
I remember going ballistic about RAC flipping a coin over which QB to start!!!!
Everyone thought it was funny at the time. I didn't care. That's simply not how an NFL HC makes decisions privately, let alone make that public.
I couldn't stand Shurmer as our HC and thought he was in over his head. I wasn't shy about that either. So I have stated my feelings on every regime. I mean if you thought Shurmer was a terrible HC, the responsibility of that fell on the former FO.
I don't know why some feel you're all in or not in at all. Why if you disagree with some decisions you are hating on someone or have an agenda. I can't answer those questions.
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