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I guess I'm guilty there, because I KNOW that it was the correct verdict.
That doesn't speak to the events of that night; the prosecution simply did not have a case for the charges they brought against Zimmerman.
I KNOW that Zimmerman is an unreliable witness.
I doubt his version of the events, but I can't say with any certainty if my doubts are founded.
I don't know what happened that night. I never will.
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Agreed, and I'll go so far as to say that the prosecution, the government, the activists and the media all KNEW that the evidence wasn't there, and they KNEW the verdict would be "not guilty". Every entity mentioned had something to gain from this planned verdict, and that's why they didn't pursue charges that could be proven and won.
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pretty much.
not to be immature, but i'm staying away from florida.
welcome to florida: where it's easy to get away with killing kids.
Signed; GZ, and Casey Anthony.
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I guess I'm guilty there, because I KNOW that it was the correct verdict.
That doesn't speak to the events of that night; the prosecution simply did not have a case for the charges they brought against Zimmerman.
I KNOW that Zimmerman is an unreliable witness.
I doubt his version of the events, but I can't say with any certainty if my doubts are founded.
I don't know what happened that night. I never will.
I don't think it was a prosecution so much as a persecution! Zimmerman was targeted by black race mongers. I AM not saying he did nothing wrong. He killed a kid, but it was justified. I also think Trayvon Martin did nothing wrong, he just lost a battle he chose to fight. He could have run, but he didn't.
I do think calling Trayvon a thug is unjustified, however he did have some VERY thug-ish actions. And I think the influence of Hip-Hop's "Gangsta" culture bears a large portion of the guilt with this tragedy as well as many others that play out daily in black neighborhoods around the country.
Glamorizing crime, the thug lifestyle and getting rich at any price is what much of the early Hip-Hop culture was about... Rap has taken some turns and become more legit but much of it still peddles this insanity to the youth.
I personally love another form of music with roots in black culture and that is the Blues... Now you might hear a lot of blues songs talking about killing or cheating or other "sinful ways" BUT it does not promote crime, violence and greed.
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Not for nothing, but I just popped out of this website to check my facebook page. What I read made me want to immediately come return to this particular thread... and share what I saw.
The first- the very first post that popped up was from a friend I met through my wife(They were college mates together... she was my Sis-In-Law's room mate).
Her post read:
"I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Travon Martin a ride to get him out of the rain that night."
I believe this says about all I have to say regarding this 'story.'
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Being as how TM and his gf thought GZ was a homo rapist, I doubt he would have gotten in the car.
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RIP Trayvon.... Quote:
"I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Travon Martin a ride to get him out of the rain that night."
I believe this says about all I have to say regarding this 'story.'
thats powerful..
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"I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Travon Martin a ride to get him out of the rain that night."
I believe this says about all I have to say regarding this 'story.'
thats powerful..
It's awesome!!!
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I swore I heard Ted Nugent say he'd ethier be in jail or dead if Obama was voted in for a second term. Teddy boy is so far over the edge it's not even funny anymore.
What a tool he turned out to be. He should have stuck with peace, love, and music. But he went to the dark side with race, politics, and weapons of mass destruction.
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I swore I heard Ted Nugent say he'd ethier be in jail or dead if Obama was voted in for a second term. Teddy boy is so far over the edge it's not even funny anymore.
Ted is Ted...I'm a big Hunter so of cource I'm gonna side with Uncle Ted ...I hear him alot and ya he said those things but everybody says something along those lines now days, Teds not over the edge....but I guess it depends who's ledge your standing on...If people actullay listen to what Ted is saying he makes alot of valed points, ya sometimes how he express them are outragious, but thats how he gets peoples attention,he's a heavy metal rock & roller soft spoken Air Supply types get lost in the shuffel, Ted's a smart guy, he knows how to play the games, who hasnt said things, it's what media thrieves on....but remember because were all not standing on your edge dosent mean were wrong....just means were diffrent
What a tool he turned out to be. He should have stuck with peace, love, and music. But he went to the dark side with race, politics, and weapons of mass destruction.
LOL....There all Tools...thats how they get to be media stars...if they werent tool the media wouldnt talk about them, Ted is nuts in front of the camera...thats how he makes his $$$$$$...shock factor...we could talk for days of media stars who live off the shock factor. But get Ted away from the camera as I have seen him at small Archery shops and you find a rather funny, mellow (ok maybe not mellow) passionate guy. Get Ted in a circle of 8 - 10 hunters telling stories and you'll soon forget it's Unlce Ted Wango Tango Nugent, he's a regular guy who has a love & passion for hunting, just like us, He gets excited telling stories of failed hunts & missed shots...not as many misses as the rest of us but it does happen, Ted also realizes he is the pipeline to the media the rest of us hunters dont have, I could talk all day or month or year about Gun laws and hunters rights or polities and nobody would listen and no artical would be written about my views, but if Ted twitters one sentences about this or that we have a full page 6:00 o'clock new story..Ted knows he's the mouth for all us hunters..he understand his responcibility to hunting and hunters, ya he always dosent do it in a way some agree with but we still appricate him having on our side.
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I swore I heard Ted Nugent say he'd ethier be in jail or dead if Obama was voted in for a second term. Teddy boy is so far over the edge it's not even funny anymore.
As recently as 2010 Obama was against gay marriage... sometimes people say things they don't really mean... Unfortunately an aging rock star can get away with that, a President shouldn't be able to.
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Ted knows he's the mouth for all us hunters..he understand his responcibility to hunting and hunters, ya he always dosent do it in a way some agree with but we still appricate him having on our side.
clay...how much do you know about Ted's record as a hunter?
There is another side to the story...IMO, Ted is a "unethical slob hunter" who has been busted twice in the last few years, breaking game laws...the summary from wiki...
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In September 2009, Nugent embarked on a hunt near Somerset, El Dorado County, California. He was accompanied by a guide and a cameraman, filming for his Outdoor Channel show "Spirit of the Wild." The video taken appeared in an episode of the show first broadcast on February 9, 2010. California Fish and Game wardens who watched the broadcast noticed that it showed Nugent killing a very young buck which had been attracted by commercial bait. Both the killing of such a young deer and the use of bait are crimes under California state law. On August 13, 2010, he pled no contest in Yuba County to two misdemeanors: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill. He was fined USD $1,750 by the court and was banned from hunting in California until June 2012. In April 2012 Nugent signed a plea bargaining agreement to plead guilty to two misdemeanors for illegally taking a bear after shooting one earlier at a bait station. He will be fined $10,000, banned from hunting in Alaska and on Federal land for one year and must complete two years on federal probation.[44]
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These are just the known incidents where Nugent has been busted for breaking game laws.
I also question Nugent's patriotism and his personal morality...
...Nugent did everything he could to avoid the draft during Viet Nam, resorting to showing up for his draft physical wearing pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment.
Ted is no different than those who burned the draft cards or the cowards who left the United States to avoid military service. Want to read about the "real" Ted Nugent?... Ted Nugent Befouled Himself to Avoid Vietnam Draft web page
Nugent bragged of doing drugs before his draft physical...I believe it crystal meth...yet today the rocker who admitted to doing drugs as a teen claims he is clean and doesn't do drugs. IMO, all you have to do is listen to Nugent speak...he talks like he is still on meth.
The real Ted Nugent is an unpatriotic, un American, cowardly scum, who likes to wrap himself in the flag that I defended during the Viet Nam era.
Then there is Nugent's personal morality...having 8 kids with 4 different women (some reports, 8 kids by 5 different woman)..5 of those kids illegitimate. I laugh at Nugent when he sits in judgement of minorities and questions their morality.
Nugent's own personal morality is worse than any of those he sits in judgement of.
Nugent the hunter, the patriot, the moral man...he does not meet my standards.
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I swore I heard Ted Nugent say he'd ethier be in jail or dead if Obama was voted in for a second term. Teddy boy is so far over the edge it's not even funny anymore.
As recently as 2010 Obama was against gay marriage... sometimes people say things they don't really mean... Unfortunately an aging rock star can get away with that, a President shouldn't be able to.
LOL go ahead, focus on the president... Typical
Ted Nugent is the wasted and washed up rocker scumbag, that dodged the draft. For christ sake, he has admitted to exposing himsef to nuns! Yet it's ok and he can get away with those things. Then throws out threats and rips on the U.S. president.  The guy is way over the edge. His actions has proved he's been over the edge for decades. His aging rock star status is revolked. Rolling Stone magazine will probably feature him soon to prove my point.
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LOL go ahead, focus on the president... Typical
Ted Nugent is the wasted and washed up rocker scumbag, that dodged the draft. For christ sake, he has admitted to exposing himsef to nuns! Yet it's ok and he can get away with those things. Then throws out threats and rips on the U.S. president. The guy is way over the edge. His actions has proved he's been over the edge for decades. His aging rock star status is revolked. Rolling Stone magazine will probably feature him soon to prove my point.
So then it is very relevant that an old washed up rocker made a verbose promise and then didn't keep it... but it's not relevant that the President has flip flopped a number of times and failed to keep a bunch of promises? and you would rather not discuss the similarities... got it. 
By the way, since you would rather discuss what celebrities think of politicians than the politicians themselves, when are all of those Hollywood stars that moved to Europe or Canada when George Bush was re-elected going to return? 
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LOL go ahead, focus on the president... Typical
Ted Nugent is the wasted and washed up rocker scumbag, that dodged the draft. For christ sake, he has admitted to exposing himsef to nuns! Yet it's ok and he can get away with those things. Then throws out threats and rips on the U.S. president. The guy is way over the edge. His actions has proved he's been over the edge for decades. His aging rock star status is revolked. Rolling Stone magazine will probably feature him soon to prove my point.
So then it is very relevant that an old washed up rocker made a verbose promise and then didn't keep it... but it's not relevant that the President has flip flopped a number of times and failed to keep a bunch of promises? and you would rather not discuss the similarities... got it.
By the way, since you would rather discuss what celebrities think of politicians than the politicians themselves, when are all of those Hollywood stars that moved to Europe or Canada when George Bush was re-elected going to return?
Don't know, can you name a few of them or is this just another diversion tactic of yours, by once again, turning a thread into the typical Obama bash. 
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clay...how much do you know about Ted's record as a hunter?
Mac...Believe me Ted is no saint....I've met Ted a few times at Archery shows, has he done some unethical things in his days, sure he has, im not defending him or what he's done, not my job...but that dosent mean he's not a good voice for hunters....sometimes people have need to look at the whole picture and just not the bad...granted we've all done some things were not proud of, but Ted has done some good things but those are quickly overlooked....good news isnt fun...but thats the world we live in,
anyway not here to argue...those are just my viewpoint, right wrong I really dont care, we all see things diffrently, I've sat & talked hunting with Ted a few times, I have a general idea what he's about, how he feels about hunting, were all not perfect, and I for one ant casting the first stone.
Dont think I hold Ted up on this pedistal of perfectness, becuase I dont, I dont agree with everything he's done but do agree with some, just becuase he's a rock star dosent hold any merit for me, dont really care what he does or who they think they are, I'm not easily impressed with status or money, so dont really care. I just speak on the hunting aspect of Ted, how he feels about other things is up to him.
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LOL go ahead, focus on the president... Typical
Ted Nugent is the wasted and washed up rocker scumbag, that dodged the draft. For christ sake, he has admitted to exposing himsef to nuns! Yet it's ok and he can get away with those things. Then throws out threats and rips on the U.S. president. The guy is way over the edge. His actions has proved he's been over the edge for decades. His aging rock star status is revolked. Rolling Stone magazine will probably feature him soon to prove my point.
So then it is very relevant that an old washed up rocker made a verbose promise and then didn't keep it... but it's not relevant that the President has flip flopped a number of times and failed to keep a bunch of promises? and you would rather not discuss the similarities... got it.
By the way, since you would rather discuss what celebrities think of politicians than the politicians themselves, when are all of those Hollywood stars that moved to Europe or Canada when George Bush was re-elected going to return?
Don't know, can you name a few of them or is this just another diversion tactic of yours, by once again, turning a thread into the typical Obama bash.
Eddie Vedder - "I'm moving to a different country if little Damien II gets elected."
Alec Baldwin - was never quoted directly, but reportedly made a statement to his wife Kim Basinger, who was later quoted in Focus magazine saying that Alec "might leave the country if Bush is elected president ... and then I'd probably have to go too."
Barbara Streisand - "I don't think you'll see me around here for at least four years."
Robert Altman - "If George Bush is elected president, I'm leaving for France."
Pierre Salinger - "If Bush wins, I'm going to leave the country and spend the rest of my life in France."
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My fault. I will bow out now so you can spend 3 more pages discussing Ted Nugent's opinion of citizen patrols because.. well because that's pretty darn important.
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