|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,319
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,319 |
 But Vers. don't you understand that people can read whats between the lines of this posts and know all the answers. 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Well, I think I have it figured out.....  If you look at the responses to this thread, you will see 6 different possibilities.. probably more, but I stopped counting at 6 because it got a little silly towards the middle  Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that we can't come to a conclusion with any degree of certainty. Thus, I think Phil and the Browns are throwing out tons of stuff, some smoke some not in an effort to confuse the situation. I'm betting that in every war room for every team in the league, there is similar stunts being pulled... Also, I think that if your for giving Frye another year and don't want us to draft a QB or Receiver in round 1 than your inclined to feel most of this stuff with Green and Quinn is smoke to cover thier real intent to draft either Thomas or Peterson or maybe even Branch. (I fall into this catagory) But on the other hand, if it is your desire to have us draft a QB or Receiver in the 1st, you will think that none of this is smoke! Odd isn't it.. Our desires dictate how we interpret action or inaction by the Browns.. Bottom line, we don't know SQUAT 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618 |
Savage: No hurry with Green talks Friday, April 6, 2007 By STEVE DOERSCHUK BEREA It may not be known until April 28 if the Browns have gone Green. "It actually could play out all the way up until draft day," General Manager Phil Savage said of a possible trade for Chiefs quarterback Trent Green. Speaking Thursday on the Browns' AM radio flagship, WTAM, Savage said his interest in Green spiked when he learned Miami - reportedly a team Green likes - hadn't made a hard trade offer. Savage won't give up the farm for Green, who turns 37 on July 9 and is coming off a season marred by a concussion. On the flip side, Green went to a Pro Bowl after passing for a Chiefs franchise record 4,591 yards in 2004. He also surpassed 4,000 yards in 2003 and 2005. "He's played a long time," Savage said. "I think he gives some credibility in terms of leadership potential." It is thought Savage would not offer a draft pick higher than Round 5. Another option might be trading places with Kansas City in the third round. Currently, the Browns have the No. 67 overall pick. The Chiefs are at No. 84. It's possible a trade wouldn't get done until hours after the Browns make their first-round pick at No. 3 overall. "I don't know that there's really a big rush on this one," Savage said. "I don't think it affects our draft strategy too much one way or the other. "If we're inclined to take a quarterback, it would probably be good to have a Trent Green on board as a mentor type of player. "If not, if you want to get Trent Green and go in a different (draft) direction - offensive line, running back, wide receiver, what have you - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now." Head Coach Romeo Crennel keeps saying Charlie Frye has "a leg up" on Derek Anderson in the race for the No. 1 QB job in 2007. Savage said he has talked about Green with Frye and Anderson. "If we get (Green), great. If we don't, great, we'll move on," Savage said. "The onus is on Charlie and Derek to prepare for next season as if one of those two is gonna be our quarterback, and that ultimately could be the way this thing shakes out." Savage said the Browns would need to entice Green with a contract before he would visit Cleveland as a prelude to a trade. Green is expendable because of his age and the fact Damon Huard went 5-3 while replacing the injured Green in 2006. Green went 4-3 after coming back from a concussion suffered in a loss to Cincinnati. Savage likes the fact Green knows the Browns offense being installed by new coordinator Rob Chudzinski. "The Kansas City offense is a little bit of a spinoff from what Cam Cameron did in Washington and San Diego," Savage said. "Of course, Rob was in San Diego (in 2005 and '06)." Savage said acquiring Green would provide "the veteran presence people have been harping on" since Trent Dilfer was traded last May. Presumably, Green would agree to Cleveland's contract terms only if he is assured he will start in 2007. After that, the question is who replaces him if he doesn't hold up. It could be Frye or Anderson. It could be JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn. Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.comhttp://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=346616&r=8&subCategoryID=
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570 |
Quote:
"If we're inclined to take a quarterback, it would probably be good to have a Trent Green on board as a mentor type of player.
"If not, if you want to get Trent Green and go in a different (draft) direction - offensive line, running back, wide receiver, what have you - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now."
Pretty much the options I laid out yesterday.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
I don't know that there's really a big rush on this one," Savage said. "I don't think it affects our draft strategy too much one way or the other.
"If we're inclined to take a quarterback, it would probably be good to have a Trent Green on board as a mentor type of player.
"If not, if you want to get Trent Green and go in a different (draft) direction - offensive line, running back, wide receiver, what have you - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now."
Head Coach Romeo Crennel keeps saying Charlie Frye has "a leg up" on Derek Anderson in the race for the No. 1 QB job in 2007. Savage said he has talked about Green with Frye and Anderson.
"If we get (Green), great. If we don't, great, we'll move on," Savage said. "The onus is on Charlie and Derek to prepare for next season as if one of those two is gonna be our quarterback, and that ultimately could be the way this thing shakes out."
Theres a key sentence in there for those that feel the QB doesn't need a UPGRADE...
if you want to get Trent Green - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now." If they felt Chuck/DA was the man..he never would have said that..remember last year they didn't want Chuck looking over his shoulder..
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305 |
Savage said acquiring Green would provide "the veteran presence people have been harping on" since Trent Dilfer was traded last May. Oh no...please don't tell me Savage is going to try and bring in Green to appease fans...
Or is this all smoke and mirrors and we have no real shot/interest in Green? Savage just wants his name in the ring for the Vet so he can say, "Hey, I tried". "If we're inclined to take a quarterback, it would probably be good to have a Trent Green on board as a mentor type of player. "If not, if you want to get Trent Green and go in a different (draft) direction - offensive line, running back, wide receiver, what have you - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now." Obviously Savage is inclined to draft a QB, he mentioned that possibility first. Head Coach Romeo Crennel keeps saying Charlie Frye has "a leg up" on Derek Anderson in the race for the No. 1 QB job in 2007. Savage said he has talked about Green with Frye and Anderson. Who cares what RAC says? He's a lame duck just floating along...
[color:"white"] Go Browns [/color]
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601 |
Quote:
Oh no...please don't tell me Savage is going to try and bring in Green to appease fans...
Why would it be to appease fans? He clearly sees our current situation as short term... There are SEVERAL positions of need at this point but I am glad to see that aside from the O-Line, Savage sees that the QB position is a concern and wants to upgrade...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Oh no...please don't tell me Savage is going to try and bring in Green to appease fans
Don't you think he knew not having a vet last year really did hurt then more last year then he thought? hence the comment: " then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570 |
I agree.......it is pretty clear the Browns aren't happy with the QB situation.
That doesn't mean Frye won't be the guy or can't be the guy, but the Browns aren't going to put all of their eggs there either.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 293
1st String
|
OP
1st String
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 293 |
Quote:
I see some people are still in denial...........
Are you talking about Garcia?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305 |
Quote:
Don't you think he knew not having a vet last year really did hurt then more last year then he thought?
Very real possibility.
[color:"white"] Go Browns [/color]
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Of course I hate that remark it 's being done to appease the fans.. If thats the case APPEASE US MORE and draft Joe Thomas... 
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305 |
Quote:
Why would it be to appease fans?
Read this direct quote from Savage again: Savage said acquiring Green would provide "the veteran presence people have been harping on" since Trent Dilfer was traded last May. Who has been harping on a Vet presence since Dilfer left? Fans/Media.
IMO, it's interesting that Savage would say that, because he doesn't strike me as the type of guy to try and bring in a player to quiet the people who have been harping....or appease them, whichever... 
Quote:
He clearly sees our current situation as short term...
You shouldn't be using the adjective "clearly" to describe anything around this time of year...if you can provide a link to a quote from Savage saying, "our current QBs are only short term options," I'll be on board with ya...until then you're seeing the situation how you want to see it, but so am I.
Quote:
There are SEVERAL positions of need at this point but I am glad to see that aside from the O-Line, Savage sees that the QB position is a concern and wants to upgrade...
Savage definitely has been sniffing around QBs among the other positions, that we know for sure. What it all means? We'll know April 28th.
Happy Birthday man, hope you have a good day!
[color:"white"] Go Browns [/color]
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305 |
Quote:
Of course I hate that remark it 's being done to appease the fans.. If thats the case APPEASE US MORE and draft Joe Thomas...
IDK, maybe I'm waaaaaaaaaaaay off-base...wouldn't be the first time.
That quote just jumped out at me...IDK why'd he'd mention that unless there was something to it...that's not a good look coming from a decision maker.
[color:"white"] Go Browns [/color]
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 786
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 786 |
we could be in a great position to trade down a spot or 2 and still get our guy and some extra picks too.... I like the trade down a few spots and take Hall (cb). If we trade further down say like 10-15 spot.....i would like Lynch (rb) Trading down and gaining a additional #2 in my oppinion is the smartest thing we could ever do. Still though..... you have to remember....you have to have a willing trade partner. You dont just do it like its a option.  If we stay at three....there is no wrong pick. Sorry guys.....thats just the truth. Its just all oppinions on who likes who. 
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
First, thanks for the read Vers,, if you look at the responses to this article you will see that the point I made in a post right before this one is holding up true to form.. Attack and Peen are hoping for a QB upgrade so they are looking at statements within the article that would lean more towards that thinking,, Then you have others that are probably not so much on the that wagon taking other statements from the SAME article and thinking they mean something else.. Heck, I found myself doing it as I read the piece that Vers posted.. Quote:
"I don't think it affects our draft strategy too much one way or the other.
When I read that, my first reaction is,,, Ahhh, sending up smoke,,, He's not really after Green,, just wanting to confuse the issue...LOL
I really do crack me up sometimes! Truth be known, I have no idea what the heck that means (watch, in a moment, someone will come on here and tell me LOL,,, trouble is, they don't know either,, they are just speculating)
This is really funny, I have finally come to the conclusion that we don't know squat ... By the way, that includes me,, wouldn't even think if throwing stones at someone else unless I was willing to accept them thrown back at me...
My prayers this evening will be for several things,,
1. World peace 2. Good health 3. For the Draft to finally get here so we can stop all this nonsense and talk about the guys we DO have verses the guys we WANT to have...
Please hurry draft! 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Attack and Peen are hoping for a QB upgrade so they are looking at statements within the article that would lean more towards that thinking,, I will not speak for Peen..but myself I want a upgrade everywhere.. But tell me..U satisfied with the combination of Frye/DA/Dorsey? Tell me why U are.. I luv how posters say others shouldn't comment on things cuz none of us know , yet they FREELY give their opinion on things.. 
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 04/06/07 09:40 AM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015 |
And for all we know it could mean that they still believe Charlie is the guy, but would like him to have a veteran to either play behind next year and learn, or to have on the sideline to learn from.
As always, we don't what it truly means.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 786
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 786 |
3. For the Draft to finally get here so we can stop all this nonsense and talk about the guys we DO have verses the guys we WANT to have... That would take some true closet prayer bud.  Because when the draft is over (and i know this aint your first rodeo) the majority of the posters on here will then begin to trash the site with "What was Savage thinking" and "Our FO needs replacing" ....Oh...and the "Still no OL in day1" (Hope that aint true  ) One can imagine all the threads of Gnashing of teeth and moaning. 
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
This is what I wrote: Quote:
This is really funny, I have finally come to the conclusion that we don't know squat ... By the way, that includes me,, wouldn't even think if throwing stones at someone else unless I was willing to accept them thrown back at me...
Did you see the part where I said "that includes me".... huh,,, did ya? Geez Attack,,,, your name really fits your demeanor on here. (that's a good thing by the way)
As for satisfaction,,, NO, I'm not satisfied with much on this team to be honest,, I'm just not for throwing out the baby with the bath water either.
Too often (and this is JMO so don't take it as fact) we tend to blame things on the most visible person or thing,, thus the blame gets put on Charlies shoulders,,, is it all him,, I dont think so (by the way, you don't either..you have said so) Does he have some blame,, I think so.. (the difference is that you appear to feel his mistakes are uncorrectable and I think some if not most are correctable)
Anyway, this whole converstion between us started with me disagreeing with some things that were called FACTS... when in my mind, they weren't..
So I'm kinda done with this,, it's getting stupid now.. soon we'll be calling each other names like Pinhead or dope or idiot or some others that aren't so nice,,, I don't want to see it come to that.. (actually, I've been called all of those at one time or the other,,, maybe it's true and I am in Denial ) 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,190
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,190 |
If we get Green then I would think Frye is gone. He would be gone in the deal for Green or gone on a draft day deal which could be part of getting Green. That would most certainly lead to the thought of drafting a QB who would be groomed to start in a year or two.
Part of this maybe with a new OC(third for Frye). It is not easy as a young player to have to keep learning complete new systems. Chud will be close to Cameron which is close to what Green has run before. I believe the Browns will take Russell if he is there. If he is not it is a tough call between Thomas, Peterson or Quinn. My guess would be Peterson. Then take a BPA OL in the second and possible look at Stanton or Smith in the third. If they aren't there then look at QB next year.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
NO, I'm not satisfied with much on this team to be honest,, I'm just not for throwing out the baby with the bath water either.
Buty if you're not satisfied , then there players that should be upgraded at some point..not hard to say..if you're willing to admit it.
So I'm kinda done with this,, it's getting stupid now.. soon we'll be calling each other names like Pinhead or dope or idiot or some others that aren't so nice,,, I don't want to see it come to that.. (actually, I've been called all of those at one time or the other,,, maybe it's true and I am in Denial I don't have to resort to calling someone a name or leaving because I disagree..I've had too many debates with a lot of posters and I SEE THE debates others have..sure it gets intense..but there is a line no one should cross..I can debate you about Frye but that won't cause me to call you a name..
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Let me get this right,, you want me to say,,, Get rid of Frye,, he's a waste,, we need to get either Green or Russell or Quinn in here to take over the team..
Is that what you want me to say,,, Ok
Get rid of Frye,, he's a waste,, we need to get either Green or Russell or Quinn in here to take over the team..
There I said it,,, Now,,, if your wanting me to believe it, that's a whole other story,,,, that's not gonna happen now.., perhaps later, but not now..
Attack,, I'm gonna put this in my calender program for sometime in November... The note to self will read,, if Frye totally bombs,,, I have to get on the board, start a thread to apoligize to everyone I may have offended for having what is clearly now, the wrong opinion about the QB situation,,
I'll do it,,, I promise,, If I'm alive and the good lord willing,,, I'll do it!
But I won't gloat if I'm right... (Besides, I would never gloat well, I have so little practice at it because I'm so rarely right about these things)
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Let me get this right,, you want me to say,,, Get rid of Frye,, he's a waste,, we need to get either Green or Russell or Quinn in here to take over the team..  Ahhhh thats good..never said I wanted U to say that..but if you think the QB spot needs upgrade at some point..then I don't need to put any words in your mouth. I'll say it for myself..the QB needs a upgrade.. Now whether it comes this year or next ..it will come..
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 04/06/07 11:19 AM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Quote:
Now whether it comes this year or next ..it will come..
well of course at some point a change has to be made,,, naturally,,, Frye is what, 25 years old,, he's not gonna play until he's 80 so yeah, they will have to change at some point 
Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one,, I tried,, but could not do it 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 688
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 688 |
Browns gearing to lure Green
Friday, April 06, 2007Mary Kay CabotPlain Dealer Reporter The Browns are apparently ready to step up their pursuit of Chiefs quarterback Trent Green.
Browns General Manager Phil Savage told WTAM AM/1100 on Thursday morning that the next step is to negotiate a "ballpark contract" for Green that would prompt him to want to come to Cleveland for a visit.
Green's agent, Jim Steiner, declined to comment Thursday night on possible negotiations - but also didn't deny that they've begun.
So far, Green, 36, has said he only wants to be traded to the Dolphins, who are also in the hunt. But Savage seems to think that if he can get Green's foot in the door, his arm and the rest of him might follow.
"The attraction for us would be we're gonna run a similar offense to where he has been," Savage said.
Green, who's under contract next season for $7.2 million, wants to be reunited in Miami with new head coach Cam Cameron, who coached him in Washington. But new Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski worked under Cameron the past two seasons in San Diego and will install a similar offense. What's more, the Dolphins are offering only a 7th-round pick and the Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick.
Savage also told WTAM that he's talked to quarterbacks Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson about his interest in Green and that a trade might not take place until draft day, April 28. Green worked out in the Chiefs' off-season program Thursday, but was mum on his situation.
Meanwhile, the Browns hosted two other hot quarterback prospects this week in LSU's JaMarcus Russell and Notre Dame's Brady Quinn. Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson also visited the Browns facility. The three are being strongly considered by the Browns with their No. 3 overall pick in the draft.
Russell and Peterson were here on Wednesday, and Quinn arrived Wednesday evening and spent part of Thursday here as well.
If the Browns hope to land one of the quarterbacks, they might have to trade up to do so. It's widely believed that Russell, who's been attending Savage's football camps in their shared hometown of Mobile, Ala., since he was 14, will be picked No. 1 by the Oakland Raiders.
Adding intrigue to the situation is that Russell and Frye share the same agent, Eric Metz.
Two other top prospects, Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas and Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson, are not believed to have visits scheduled to Cleveland yet, but that doesn't preclude the Browns from drafting them.
tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570 |
Quote:
Attack and Peen are hoping for a QB upgrade so they are looking at statements within the article that would lean more towards that thinking,,
It's not what I want....it is what the evidence supports.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Quote:
It's not what I want....it is what the evidence supports.
In your view,,, and that's my point,, we have differing points of view.. thus we interpret different statements the way see them. In light of our individual beliefs, the same comment means one thing to you and something else to me.... Doesn't mean your right and I'm wrong or the other way around,, it's just what it is.. that's all!
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Thoughts on this: Pick up Green, draft BQ and then trade Frye?? Don't believe it'll happen, just tossin' it out there!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305
All Pro
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 305 |
Quote:
Quote:
It's not what I want....it is what the evidence supports.
In your view,,, and that's my point,, we have differing points of view.. thus we interpret different statements the way see them. In light of our individual beliefs, the same comment means one thing to you and something else to me.... Doesn't mean your right and I'm wrong or the other way around,, it's just what it is.. that's all!
I gotta commend the effort you put forth with this board...I think it's an excercise in futility, but I applaud your effort.
You just gotta understand....people arent gonna get what you're saying...It's hard to convince people their opinion is an opinion...and not a fact.
[color:"white"] Go Browns [/color]
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601 |
I really don' t understand what is so hard to understand for you and many others about us needing a QB upgrade? I have not seen ONE post from ANY of us Frye detractors that place sole blame on him... It isn't fair to blame him for the woes of the team and I NEVER have...The ONLY poster I have seen on here that thinks that the WHOLE team rises and falls on a QB is Corpus...  We DO need an upgrade at the position and deny it all you want, it is going to happen sooner than you hope... There IS ALWAYS draft smoke this time of year and I will admit that alot of it is draft smoke when it comes to Rookie visits to team HQ's etc... However, when the F.O. starts to talk to a players GM and agent to get ballpark figures, DP compensations etc. there is MUCH more to it than "April Newspaper fodder." I am not saying that we will get Trent Green but I will say that we will see Phil make a hard push for him over the next few weeks... In the end, IF we draft Thomas in the 1st and grab Trent from the Chiefs, I will go as far as to claim us 8-8 this year...  If we don't grab Green, we will be looking at the QB/RB position within the top 5 of the 2008 draft... JMHO
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Quote:
You just gotta understand....people arent gonna get what you're saying...It's hard to convince people their opinion is an opinion...and not a fact.
I know,, but it's so dang much fun trying..... Most of them take it in a good natured way,, those that don't,,, tough cookies ,,,, and that's a FACT 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 449
1st String
|
1st String
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 449 |
to have on the sideline to learn from.
Thats twice I've seen a comment like this about Green. If the Browns get Green, there is no way he is a back up to anyone. Not gonna happen. The guy had his bell rung last year, but it doesn't mean his career as a starting QB is over. He threw for over 4,000 yards three seasons in a row to the likes of Kenninson, Parker, Morton, Holmes, and Gonzo. Holmes and Gonzo are the only players in that list that stand out. You guys got KW(who at 90% is better than everyone), JJ, and BE. Much better receiving crew than he had in KC.
Yes he had an Oline, but the Browns are on there way to having an exceptional Oline. If you guys end up getting him you'll be happy once you see what he can do for your team.
I'm still mad that my team resigned Huard, whom I thought would have been good trade bait for this offseason, and are letting Green be shopped. Croyle would learn more from Green than Huard. Just as Charlie, or whom ever is the back up(after the draft) could learn from Green.
Last edited by ChiefsFan; 04/06/07 12:30 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601 |
Thank you for the post.. Not just because it supports my opinion but because it is from someone that knows what Trent is about rather than some people that look at his age and the concusion from last year and draw a conclusion that he is washed up...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,570 |
Quote:
In your view,,, and that's my point,, we have differing points of view..
I understand that...I am talking about taking an objective view with logic applied to the moves that have been made surrounding the qb situation.
If you want to tell me a orange isn't orange in color, that it is red....well, I guess there is nothing I can do about that. :shrugs:
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Quote:
If you want to tell me a orange isn't orange in color, that it is red....well, I guess there is nothing I can do about that. :shrugs:
That's taking it to an extreme,,, everyone knows that if you say an orange is orange,,, that it's really green.. we all know that 
I understand what your saying but, I'm not talking about the color of oranges,,, the stuff of which we speak is a bit more abstract and complicated than the color of something. The color of an orange is what it is,, it's there for all to see. But the way we view a players ability is from our own perspective,, that can differ quite a bit as we see from all these opinions...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,253
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,253 |
Does Green have any say in coming here? I know if I'm Green or Carr the last place I'd want to play QB is Cleveland. If Savage wants a Qb he may have to draft him because even the old washed up QBs would not want to play here unless offered a pile of money. I'm sure they have tape of our O-line.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,867 |
Quote:
Does Green have any say in coming here?
Duty, I know you didn't ask me, but if it's alright with you I'd like a crack at that answer..
I don't think it matters at all. If he gets traded he's gotta play for the team he's traded too,, But he could always retire I suppose,..
Also, I don't know of any team that would be willing to pay a 37 year old QB, coming off a serious head injury the kinda money his current contract calls for.. (can't remember the exact numbers, but they were pretty darn high for the next two years)
I'm guessing that any team that would trade for Green would do so only if they could structure a deal that's more team/CAP friendly than the one he currently has in place. In fact, I think that Savage eluded to that in an article,, I'd have to go back and check to be sure however.
So, outside of retiring or just flat out refusing to report, Green is stuck with whatever trade is made.... At least I think so!
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517
Dawg Talker
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,517 |
How many birthdays do you get a year?Seems to me you just had one acoupla months ago. Anyway,this one's for you comrade fry-basher, Co` latha breith sona dhuibh!
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
I don't know that there's really a big rush on this one," Savage said. "I don't think it affects our draft strategy too much one way or the other.
"If we're inclined to take a quarterback, it would probably be good to have a Trent Green on board as a mentor type of player.
"If not, if you want to get Trent Green and go in a different (draft) direction - offensive line, running back, wide receiver, what have you - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now."
Head Coach Romeo Crennel keeps saying Charlie Frye has "a leg up" on Derek Anderson in the race for the No. 1 QB job in 2007. Savage said he has talked about Green with Frye and Anderson.
"If we get (Green), great. If we don't, great, we'll move on," Savage said. "The onus is on Charlie and Derek to prepare for next season as if one of those two is gonna be our quarterback, and that ultimately could be the way this thing shakes out."
Theres a key sentence in there for those that feel the QB doesn't need a UPGRADE...
if you want to get Trent Green - then at least you're hedging your bet a little bit that the position is covered a little bit more than it is right now." If they felt Chuck/DA was the man..he never would have said that..remember last year they didn't want Chuck looking over his shoulder..
Give it up Attack. You're wasting your energy. If they don't accept by now that we're seriously looking at Green, they never will be able to. Let people believe what they wish to believe, even if it means they can't fathom the reality that we're looking at upgrading the position.
We'll just go along knowing better.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns | Team trying to have Green
visit
|
|