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It's also a LOT easier to get everyone in on time these days with the new rookie wage scale, so it's not like this is some major accomplishment.
True.
I may be sensitive about this issue, but there are a lot of posters who seemingly are looking for reasons to bad-mouth the FO--as we noticed in earlier in this thread. However, they don't have anything good to say when we have all our guys in.
It IS a good thing that we have all our guys in....done.
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It's also a LOT easier to get everyone in on time these days with the new rookie wage scale, so it's not like this is some major accomplishment.
True.
I may be sensitive about this issue, but there are a lot of posters who seemingly are looking for reasons to bad-mouth the FO--as we noticed in earlier in this thread. However, they don't have anything good to say when we have all our guys in.
It IS a good thing that we have all our guys in....done.
Agreed, always a good thing... but it's only a big deal these days if they DON'T get it done.
Applauding a front office these days for getting the players all in before camp is akin to a regular Joe having a checking account full of cash and him expecting pats on the back for paying his rent and utilities on time. It's not an accomplishment, it's an expectation.
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So, the Browns paid Mingo to accept the offset language, which is a win for both sides, though I seriously doubt the language was needed.
Let's hope that Banner and Lombardi gain more confidence in their ability to draft first round talent, so the offset language doesn't become a potential stumbling block in the future.
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nolo...you claiming the Browns didn't pay Mingo to accept the offset language?
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nolo...you claiming the Browns didn't pay Mingo to accept the offset language?
did what Miami did. big deal.
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nolo...you claiming the Browns didn't pay Mingo to accept the offset language?
He was probably talking about you subjectively adding the thinking that they aren't confident in Mingo into the discussion.
Any number of things can happen to where the Browns would have to suddenly cut Mingo. It's not about their faith in his talent, it's about flexibility and safeguards.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand that, your agenda has warped you into believing they don't like Mingo, as well as many other opinions that you try to desperately peddle off as facts.
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...in some, it is a mental sickness that would require professional help...some are beyond help.
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With the name Barkevious Mingo how did he get the nickname of a housecat?
I always really liked Marcus Benards King Kong nickname and sack celebration.
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With the name Barkevious Mingo how did he get the nickname of a housecat?
I always really liked Marcus Benards King Kong nickname and sack celebration.
Great nickname. Not much else.
They can call the guy Kitty Cat, Rosemary, or Tiki Doll if he gets 10 sacks/year, and causes terror for opposing QBs.
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Applauding a front office these days for getting the players all in before camp is akin to a regular Joe having a checking account full of cash and him expecting pats on the back for paying his rent and utilities on time. It's not an accomplishment, it's an expectation.
I haven't been following it, but apparently just about every other team has all their picks signed?
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...in some, it is a mental sickness that would require professional help...some are beyond help.
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Cardinals, Cooper not talking, yet When addressing the offset-language status of the players taken in the top 10 of the 2013 draft, we didn’t include Cardinals guard Jonathan Cooper, the seventh overall pick. Cooper was omitted because it’s not known whether offset language will be an issue. And it’s not known whether offset language will be an issue because no substantive talks have occurred between the two sides. Per a source with knowledge of the talks, there has been only limited engagement between the team and the player, with nothing happening right now. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/21/cardinals-cooper-not-talking-yet/
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So, the Browns paid Mingo to accept the offset language, which is a win for both sides, though I seriously doubt the language was needed.
Let's hope that Banner and Lombardi gain more confidence in their ability to draft first round talent, so the offset language doesn't become a potential stumbling block in the future.
So, what is your opinion of the Dolphin's front office? They made sure offset language was in Jordan's contract, and he was picked at #3.
I mean, those guys traded up to pick someone that they don't have much confidence in ... what level of mental instability is that?
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cap...don't know anything about the fish...
I do agree with Mike Florio's take on the issue of off set language...
In 2011, the only player in the top 10 who avoided offset language was Panthers quarterback Cam Newton. Last year, the first seven players taken (Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Trent Richardson, Matt Kalil, Justin Blackmon, Morris Claiborne, and Mark Barron) avoided offset language. The Dolphins insisted on, and obtained, offset language for quarterback Ryan Tannehill, the eighth overall selection. The Panthers agreed to remove offset language from linebacker Luke Kuechly’s deal at No. 9.
In 2013, the bag in the top 10 has been more mixed. Luke Joeckel (No. 2), Ziggy Ansah (No. 5), and Tavon Austin (No. 8) have avoided offset language. Dion Jordan (No. 3), Lane Johnson (No. 4), and Barkevious Mingo (No. 6) haven’t. Eric Fisher (No. 1), Milliner, and Chance Warmack (No. 10) and their teams (the Chiefs, Jets, and Titans) are pushing and pulling on the issue.
No, it doesn’t mean much. But in an era where there’s little to debate in top-10 deals, it’s providing fuel for possible holdouts and/or acrimony at the outset of the relationship.
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cap...the Dolphins don't have anyone like Joe Banner in their front office.
I know you haven't done any research, as I'm the only one who does, but had you, you would know that Banner is a sociopath.
Where you or I may think twice about dousing a cat with lighter fluid and setting it on fire, Banner would, if he felt like it.
I don't see anyone in the Dolphins front office willing to immolate cats. Only Haslam would be foolish enough to make such a hire.
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And Haslam is probably skimming from the players retirement fund.
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mac mac...Banner is a Sociopath??? You truly believe that.
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
And there in lies the problem on why you get no respect in this argument. You believe this...your opinion is based on this. And IT IS JUST WRONG.
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I know you haven't done any research, as I'm the only one who does, but had you, you would know that Banner is a sociopath.
Where you or I may think twice about dousing a cat with lighter fluid and setting it on fire, Banner would, if he felt like it.
I don't see anyone in the Dolphins front office willing to immolate cats. Only Haslam would be foolish enough to make such a hire.
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EO...did I say that?
Show me where I said that?
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EO...did I say that?
Show me where I said that?
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Im glad he is signed and will be going to work on time. I am excited to see the team on the field this year! (as I am every year)
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EO...did I say that?
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It should probably tell you something that it's hard to tell the difference between your actual comments and parodies of them.
PDR...it tells me that some of you have no problem making crap up that is not backed by fact and many are too lazy to look up what was posted before you start making up your own set of bogus facts... 
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It seems to me that this offset language is actually to the player's benefit and there is no negative to them accepting it.
If a player does "bust", then he has his current team helping him to get a spot with another team, as anything the new team pays him goes into the current team's pocket. The current team would work hard to make him look good, and perhaps "gild the lily" a bit. Without the offset, they have no reason to offer any help or to not be totally honest with the potential new team.
The only "downside" to taking this offset clause would be acknowledging the possibility that the player might not succeed. They would be forgoing a possible "double payment" that is somewhat unethical anyway, IMO.
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Where in that post did I assert that something was a fact when it was not?
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I'm glad to see our 1st, 3rd, 6th and two 7th round picks in camp on time.
I have always felt this would be the year that the rebuild began to show results...I hope I'm not being too optimistic, but a record in the 7-9 or 8-8 range is what I expected, even before all the changes.
My greatest concern is that our young defense gets burned, giving up the big play/scores, forcing the offensive unit to play from behind.
The Browns greatest area of weakness continues to be the defensive backfield...lacking depth, IMO.
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You have to wonder, who in the Browns' front office would attempt to add such language to Mingo's contract?
...everyone knows the answer...JOE BANNER.
There are people who are not happy unless they are constantly creating some kind of turmoil or conflict. Some just thrive on using their power to screw with people...even when it isn't called for.
...in some, it is a mental sickness that would require professional help...some are beyond help.
But I digress....
Glad the FO didn't gave and got the offset language in. Doubly important for boom/bust type picks. Here's hoping Mingo BOOMS..... already planning the jersey purchase.
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If you are a guy who likes to be in style with the team, you may want to wait a year for the new uni's, especially if you plan on buying a real deal jersey for $180.
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Yeah, typically I wait at least a year. Sadly, I have more Browns jerseys of ex-players that I can't wear than I do current. Winslow, Edwards, Couch, Droughns, McCutch, etc.
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I'm glad to see our 1st, 3rd, 6th and two 7th round picks in camp on time.
I have always felt this would be the year that the rebuild began to show results...I hope I'm not being too optimistic, but a record in the 7-9 or 8-8 range is what I expected, even before all the changes.
My greatest concern is that our young defense gets burned, giving up the big play/scores, forcing the offensive unit to play from behind.
The Browns greatest area of weakness continues to be the defensive backfield...lacking depth, IMO.
No doubt the top 10-ish players go "right to the wire, but yea, real glad to see all of em in TC.
Gotta be 7-9 or better. Should be. Gotta be.  We do have the best coaching staff that we've had in years and imo the best talent in years as well. How it all shakes out remains to be seen...........but............this O system is certainly not an "exact timing needed O" such as the West Coast O and it suits these guys as well. I enjoyed hearing the excitement they exuded durung/after the OTA's/mini's by the O guys(by the D guys as well). Plus, we're no gonna be starting, at times, 5 rookies on O. Gotta be a big plus there.
No doubt we could be vulnerable to the big play. Hopefully the expected pressure the "attack D" we're installing will shave fractions and/or full second(s) of the opposing QB's pocket time. Relentless pressure "can" turn some above avg DB's into ProBowlers.
Will we get burned? Imo.....no doubt.
Will we be on barely on the seat of our stadium seats/chairs/recliners/etc in anticipation as opposed to "ughhh...here we go again"? Imo.....no doubt.
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Glad to see they got him signed and that he'll be in camp on time.
I do still wonder if players who seem pushed to sign such contract language feels they're not receiving a vote of confidence from each team who demands it. I also wonder if it will make it harder and more expensive if that player is hugely successful to re-sign that player when their rookie contract ends.
I guess time will tell on those questions. I'm just happy the deal got done.
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I think so.
Is every decision made to satisfy 100% of the fans? Impossible.
Is anyone disappointed we again didn't "tear apart the team" to do a complete rebuild? Perhaps.
Is anyone really diappointed we decided to "see what/who we have" and we didn't blow a motherlode of cash and sign a bunch of FA's that maybe their teams didn't want to re-sign? Again.....perhaps.
Would I have liked to see Phil D back. Sure. Cribbs.........eh,.......? Most others.....good luck boys.
I wanted a pass rusher or a CB at #6. Got a pass rusher.
Can we acquire a CB if needed next year? Sure. By draft or cash!
DB concerns........no doubt.........but gotta see the pressure 1st.
Do we need a G? Perhaps. The line was highlighted as better than avg last year by a few publications and with another year together? Eh, perhaps not.
Is there a question mark at TE? Imo maybe not. With what Norv and Chud have done with TE's then maybe a slight question mark w/the player(s) and not the coach staff.
D concerns? Sure. Can Big Phil handle tthe dbl teams? Rubin at DE? Is Sheard quick/fast enough to cover? Did Kruger benefit from his supporting cast? There was question marks on DQ in years past 3-4's. A question mark at FS? CB opposite Joe H? Sure to all, but again.......if we bring "The Mother of All Pressures" then........well, seconds, or the lack of, do count. Also, we can't underestimate the depth we "seem to have". Ahh, depth. For us fans it's relief. For starters it's "I better kick some ass or I'm outta a job". We saw that when Rubin and Taylor came back last year after missing the 1st part of the reg season. They were playing better for 1 reason........the DEPTH that was starting whilst they were out. Can't ever underestimate what depth does to a starters play.  Just can't.
QB concerns. Yep. It's the "annual biggest concern". I just have a lot of faith in Norv and Chud and their past work with QB's. Imo they should have, just like their CD players prolly have, a "Random Repeat" button.
RB concerns? Maybe. 900 yards by a RB with no holes and broken ribs. He stays healthy and doesn't dance/hits the holes fast......maybe not. Imo Hardesty could flourish in this O. Why? History.....more notably Norv's with RB's but Chud w/an older Jamal L in 07 at 1300+. Coulda/shoulda made the Pro Bowl in 07(along w/DA, BE, KW2..........btw, if your reading this, tks Chud).
BTW, the Sporting News has TR at the 10th best Fantasy Pick in 2013 and thats on the heels of the 72nd? best outta the top 100 NFL players for 2013 by NFL.com.
Schedule concerns. Sure. Always, although they are listed as the 22nd most diff sched in 2013. So a concern by fans who have seen nothing but losing? No doubt.
Imo just like driving in a construction zone, we gotta "Let Em Work, Let Em Live" till it all shakes out this season.
Me.......I'm just way to optimistic this year to think anything less than a terrific improvement.
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Not sure thats gonna happen, he will probably be a situational pass rusher his first season for the most part. I dont see more then 6 sacks for him
I'm hoping for a lot more out of him than that. We took him awfully high for him to be a 6 sack a year guy. Bark and Jones are going to be compared head to head. I expect Jones will get to double digits with the Squealers. If Mingo is as good as everyone says, he should have no problems getting to double digits.
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LOL............ We took TRich w/the #3 overall pick and I didn't hear you saying he should have 1,500 yards last year. You are so freaking obvious.
I don't think so. I mean unless you think we are happy with his 950 rushing yards?
I also feel if Mingo ends up playing with broken ribs for over half the season many would cut him a little#slack there as well.
If TRich doesn't improve his rushing numbers by a great bit and remain healthy, he may have bust written all over him in terms of where he was selected.
The same thing could be said for Mingo if he only gets six sacks this year. At that juncture, I feel everyone would question if he would live up to being productive and successful in terms of where he was drafted.
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Glad to see they got him signed and that he'll be in camp on time.
I do still wonder if players who seem pushed to sign such contract language feels they're not receiving a vote of confidence from each team who demands it. I also wonder if it will make it harder and more expensive if that player is hugely successful to re-sign that player when their rookie contract ends.
I guess time will tell on those questions. I'm just happy the deal got done.
I think that if their agents are any kinda smart at all, they make the players understand that a negotiation is just business, nothing personal and means nothing about what a team feels the worth of a particular player is. It's all about CYA if a player busts out or just doesn't live up to expectations.
Actually, since we are Browns fans, we should applaud any move or decision that may help keep us out of cap hell should a player not cut it.
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I didn't say he had to have 1500, but I sure as hell HOPED he would gain that. Notice that I said I HOPE for more from Mingo. You're the one that's obvious. You have already determined Banner and company are football Gods, before one snap of the ball. Why? Because of your hatred for the last group. I'm saying I HOPE Richardson gets 1500 and 15 touchdowns this season. That would take a LOT of pressure off Weeden. While you likely hope he fails or blows a knee so you can spout off about what a bust he was.... I hope we get more production out of Mingo than spot duty and a couple sacks. Because in an attack style D you need every sack you can GET. Why do I hope that? Because I HOPE this regime succeeds. I just haven't proclaimed that to be fact just yet. You seem to think that means I'm "hating" on them. I think that's ridiculous.
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The same thing could be said for Mingo if he only gets six sacks this year. At that juncture, I feel everyone would question if he would live up to being productive and successful in terms of where he was drafted.
There were 7 LBers in the entire NFL that had double digit sacks last year. None of them were rookies.
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You're the one that's obvious. You have already determined Banner and company are football Gods, before one snap of the ball. Why? Because of your hatred for the last group. I'm saying I HOPE Richardson gets 1500 and 15 touchdowns this season. That would take a LOT of pressure off Weeden. While you likely hope he fails or blows a knee so you can spout off about what a bust he was..
LOL...........I have voiced complaints about the new FO over and over. I don't think they are Gods at all. I just have more hope than I did w/The Big Show running the show. And I never wish for any Brown to fail. You just make crap up all the time.
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If TRich doesn't improve his rushing numbers by a great bit and remain healthy, he may have bust written all over him in terms of where he was selected.
The same thing could be said for Mingo if he only gets six sacks this year. At that juncture, I feel everyone would question if he would live up to being productive and successful in terms of where he was drafted.
There were 7 LBers in the entire NFL that had double digit sacks last year. None of them were rookies.
And if Mingo doesn't join them this year,. and every year after, then he's a damned bust!
Seriously though, Mingo could have 5 or 6 sacks, but create pressure and draw double teams that help a teammate be more productive .... and that would make him very useful.
Further, it seems like most "sack artists" generate sacks mainly in a few games. They might have 7 of their 10 sacks in 3 games. (as Houston of the Chefs did) Clay Matthews had 13 sacks last year, with 10 of those coming in 4 games. Does that mean that these guys were neccesarily ineffective because they didn't generate massive sack numbers in the other games? Not at all. A player may also create massive pressure that causes the QB to dump the ball early and inaccurately ...... or even causing an interception. He may cause the OC to start calling more runs to protect his QB. A pass rusher can cause problems for the opposing offense, even if he doesn't get 3 sacks per game.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Mingo, due to report Friday, still
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