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I don't have a dog in this race, but I find a 1/2 game suspension ridiculous. He's either guilty or not ... so he should either be fully punished or not. This wreaks of the NCAA taking the easy way out. They'll make their billions again this year ... and a lot of it because of Johnny Manziel.
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College players, arguably worth millions of dollars per year at the highest level, not being able to make a dime from their performance is ridiculous. South Park has a fun episode on it equating it to the slave trade. I don't see any semblance of logic or fairness to it aside from the NCAA making a fortune on free play from young men. It annoys me more than it should 
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Well my scholarship got me a free education ... which at my school is worth over $100,000 ... so I'm all for people taking advantage of the opportunity to use athletics to gain an education ... BUT the NCAA didn't make a penny off of me either
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Manziel thinks he is above the law. And that suspension for thirty minutes of the first game of the season. Really that is a slap on the wrist!
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Ex-OSU WR Jake Stoneburner rips Johnny Manziel suspension
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Johnny Manziel's suspension isn't sitting too well with former Ohio State WR Jake Stoneburner. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)
Johnny Manziel’s suspension isn’t sitting too well with ex-Ohio State WR Jake Stoneburner. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)
When word was received that Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel was suspended for only a half for Texas A&M’s season opening game against Rice on Saturday, it was only a matter of time before former athletes from other schools started to weigh in.
Last Wednesday night, former Ohio State wide receiver Jake Stoneburner let his feelings be known about Manziel’s suspension via social media.
“Lol manziel gets a half & My teammates, best friends, & one of the best leaders I have ever met get fired and losses (sic) multiple games,” Stoneburner tweeted.
STAPLES: NCAA was better off letting Manziel play than enforcing obscure rule
Remember, the NCAA hit Ohio State with a one-year bowl ban and additional penalties for violations that started with eight players taking a total of $14,000 in cash and tattoos in exchange for jerseys, rings and other Buckeyes memorabilia.
Former head coach Jim Tressel knew about the violations but kept quiet, and he was ultimately fired. The 2012 Buckeyes went 12-0 and sat at home for the bowl season.
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Let's clear a couple things up.. first, Manziel was suspended by Texas A&M, not the NCAA. Second, it's not an all or nothing he's either out for taking cash or he's not. He is being disciplined for breaking a lesser rule. Quote:
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NCAA bylaw 12.5.2.1, an NCAA spokesperson confirmed. The rule says student-athletes cannot permit their names or likenesses to be used for commercial purposes, including to advertise, recommend or promote sales of commercial products, or accept payment for the use of their names or likenesses.
So, by that law, aren't the colleges, the NCAA, ESPN, etc. all violating the rule (or more specifically, they are putting all the players that show up on telecasts in violation of this rule)?
Third, this rule is not unlike the NFL, MLB, etc.. they are allowed to use your likeness in commercials etc but non-approved entities are not.
I'm not saying I agree with any/all of it but there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about exactly what it is he is being disciplined for..
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It was an agreement between A&M and the NCAA. So the NCAA basically signed off on the suspension. Here's the actual bylaw: link Title:12.5.2.1 - Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete.
After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual:
(a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind; or
(b) Receives remuneration for endorsing a commercial product or service through the individual's use of such product or service. Manziel is not very smart if he thinks that the guy he's signing 100s or 1000s of items for isn't going the sell them.
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I thought that was a given. 
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Fair enough. In all my angst I must have missed where it said he was being suspended by the school and not the NCAA.
My point still stands, though. You don't hand out an official punishment without evidence. The whole thing stinks like crazy, and reeks of "let's just make this go away as quickly as possible".
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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My point still stands, though. You don't hand out an official punishment without evidence. The whole thing stinks like crazy, and reeks of "let's just make this go away as quickly as possible".
I'm pretty sure they had evidence that he had signed a large quantity of stuff, they just didn't have evidence that he had been paid for it.
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I thought that was a given.
I dunno... If he did take 35k or so to sign autographs and ended up with only half a game suspension I'd say he's pretty darn smart (or lucky)
No one sits down and signs 100-200 items for one guy without getting paid unless they are doing it for some charity event or manziel thought he was doing it for a&m since he can sign a ton of crap for the school to sell and that's fine with the NCAA
In regards to the stoneburner article I agree with him somewhat that the suspensions I thought were silly... But the OSU players were shown to intentionally sell their stuff for profit (which is a dumb rule but a rule) whereas manziel was shown to have signed stuff "without realizing it would be sold" so a little less... Though I still think manziel should have been suspended longer
Tressel got fired because he covered it up... What ever his reasons were he made a huge mistake in covering up the violations and that's why he got let go
On another note I met a new friend two weeks ago with close ties to tressel and she is saying he couldn't officially say anything but it sounds like he will be the next president of Akron... Wich I think would be a great position for him.
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kid's a donkey. you think after all the turmoil he'd play a little low key. naw, why not have your HC decide he needs to bench you for taunting the opposing players/fans.
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he's a real punk, not much else to say. Puts his team and coach in a bad spot. very selfish player.
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he's a real punk, not much else to say. Puts his team and coach in a bad spot. very selfish player.
I agree. He acted like a turd during and after the game. Really though, he is just hurting his draft.
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he's a real punk, not much else to say. Puts his team and coach in a bad spot. very selfish player.
I agree. He acted like a turd during and after the game. Really though, he is just hurting his draft.
I don't know much at all about this kid, is he even any good.. or just getting his 15 minutes of fame here?
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he's a real punk, not much else to say. Puts his team and coach in a bad spot. very selfish player.
I agree. He acted like a turd during and after the game. Really though, he is just hurting his draft.
I don't know much at all about this kid, is he even any good.. or just getting his 15 minutes of fame here?
He's got a very good arm for his size and is extremely elusive and can extend plays (a lot like Big Ben). But his size will be a factor in the NFL ... he's very slight. As far as intangibles, he is very confident and competitive ... IMO he's a very good player, but maybe not an NFL QB
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I agree. He acted like a turd during and after the game. Really though, he is just hurting his draft.
I don't know much at all about this kid, is he even any good.. or just getting his 15 minutes of fame here?
He's a very good college QB. The type that can almost win a championship on their own a la Vince Young or Cam Newton (what he doesn't have in terms of size/speed compared to those two, he makes up for with his arm)
He's a spoiled rich kid though. He doesn't have the attitude of wanting to get through college and college football to get to the next level. I don't think he wants it as badly as Vince Young did, and he doesn't have the God-given gifts that Newton has.
Everyone makes fun of Vince Young now, but nobody was making fun of the 2005 Vince Young. That team should have lost 4 or 5 times if it wasn't for Young doing something with his arm or legs. He made the most perfect throw at OSU, he single handedly won the championship game. There was another game mid-season I believe where they got down something like 21-0 and they still came out winning.
Manziel is so much fun to watch though. Big Ben is a good comparison. He's like the mini me version of Ben, which is why I'm not a huge fan of him at the next level. Ben has the size to take hits so he can scramble and work his magic. Johnny Football would be dead by the third game.
He's an awesome college QB like I said, but I don't think he takes playing at the next level that seriously.
Much more impressed with the overall look of Boyd and Bridgewater.
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So basically, he's Colt McCoy? LOL Assume College QB (hard to argue that given his record) but wasn't the same guy in the pros.
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So basically, he's Colt McCoy? LOL Assume College QB (hard to argue that given his record) but wasn't the same guy in the pros.
McCoy was the product of a very good system. He was also a very very good college QB.
I don't know if I can say Manziel is the product of a great system. He does a lot with his legs, and a lot is not by design.
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j/c... I'm curious, what would the general opinion of Manziel be if his name was LaTroy Jackson and he was a poor black kid .... all things being equal with what he has done in college?
So many people seem to incorporate the phase "spoiled rich kid" into their dislike of him that I have to wonder if he was a black kid from the wrong side of the tracks, raised by his grandma, and had a 2 year old child and a girlfriend back home.. what would people think about his actions? His play? His ability to play at the next level?
And if the answer is that it wouldn't matter to you, your opinion would be the same... then why do people keep including that he's a spoiled rich kid?
Because Jadeveon Clowney had autograph issues as well.. and I'm pretty sure that if I included that he's "a stupid poor kid" in all of my posts as to why he did it or what his character was like, I'd get ripped up one side and down the other... (disclaimer: I don't know if Clowney is rich or poor or smart or stupid, just the best high profile example I could come up with)....
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j/c... I'm curious, what would the general opinion of Manziel be if his name was LaTroy Jackson and he was a poor black kid .... all things being equal with what he has done in college?
So many people seem to incorporate the phase "spoiled rich kid" into their dislike of him that I have to wonder if he was a black kid from the wrong side of the tracks, raised by his grandma, and had a 2 year old child and a girlfriend back home.. what would people think about his actions? His play? His ability to play at the next level?
And if the answer is that it wouldn't matter to you, your opinion would be the same... then why do people keep including that he's a spoiled rich kid?
Because Jadeveon Clowney had autograph issues as well.. and I'm pretty sure that if I included that he's "a stupid poor kid" in all of my posts as to why he did it or what his character was like, I'd get ripped up one side and down the other... (disclaimer: I don't know if Clowney is rich or poor or smart or stupid, just the best high profile example I could come up with)....
He has the attitude of a kid that doesn't really care about making the next level. I'm sure he wants to. I bet that's even his goal, but I don't think he truly cares.
When you're a college player, especially the damn quarterback, you're being watched by scouts and personnel people at the next level. Character issues are a red flag. He will already be picked apart for being small (he's listed at 6'1" 210 which is laughable). You would think a guy who wants to play in the NFL would have a better attitude about himself, his opponents and the game.
When you're another player, you get leeway to be a knucklehead, but it's a bad sign to me that after all this autograph stuff which he completely skated on (serving a half game suspension was a slap in everyone's face on top of it) and he's still out there acting like a 12 year old, that I question if this guy could ever be an NFL quarterback.
I hate to bring in color. I don't think it has a place in this conversation. An idiot is an idiot.
Guys who come from poor families act like idiots too. The spoiled rich kid tag isn't for the autograph stuff though. It's for acting like an idiot, taunting the opposition, making stupid gestures like you're in the WWE. If this were a kid from a poor family, we'd instead be talking about how this very talented guy was throwing away his chance at getting out of poverty or whatever situation they were in.
I don't dislike him though. I think he's great to watch. I just think his attitude doesn't say franchise QB. Maybe that's fine with him.
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He reminds me of Ryan Leaf. You will know for sure if he makes it in the nfl or not. That league will weed him out in a year or two if he doesn't change his behavior. Plus as you have stated, it's not a given he could play in the nfl. I know I would hate to be Kevin Sumlin. That guy is really compromised. It's not like he could discipline him for his silly behavior. Guy brings in too much money.
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Fair enough.. so he's immature and arrogant.. which has very little to do with being rich and spoiled... because college sports (heck pro sports too) is loaded with kids from all backgrounds that are immature and arrogant... some figure it out and get over it, some are just so talented that they keep getting another chance, and some get weeded out...
Thanks for the response.
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It seems to me that he got an extra helping or 5 of immaturity and arrogance.
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