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He whines about Kosar talking about his guys, then he throws up everything that's ever gone wrong in Kosar's life. It was like a little kid going "Oh yeah!?!? Well what about when you ....???" Kinda immature on his part too.
Did he say anything other than what was posted?
All I've read in that regard was Fisher saying, “Again, Bernie’s got his issues — they’re well documented.”
He does, and they are.
If you're going to run your mouth unprofessionally like Bernie did, you should expect someone to discredit you if they can.
If that's all Fisher said, that's actually pretty restrained.
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From the link: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-onair-commentsFisher even referenced Kosar's "well-documented issues," which include problems with finances, taxes, a divorce and the potential effects of brain trauma from his playing career.
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Fisher even referenced Kosar's "well-documented issues," which include problems with finances, taxes, a divorce and the potential effects of brain trauma from his playing career.
That would be the writer of the article bringing those specific things up, not Fisher.
Do you understand how quotation marks work?
Fisher's quote was "Again, Bernie’s got his issues — they’re well documented.".
Which, again, is pretty restrained in my book.
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Yeah that was the writer that brought them up.
Fisher saying Bernie lacks respect for the game and players ....well, he's got the physical, mental, and emotional scars that say otherwise.
It was a nice tit for tat by Fisher but it was hardly a mature response in any way. If he felt Bernie stooped to a certain level, Fisher got right down there with him in his response.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah that was the writer that brought them up.
Fisher saying Bernie lacks respect for the game and players ....well, he's got the physical, mental, and emotional scars that say otherwise.
It was a nice tit for tat by Fisher but it was hardly a mature response in any way. If he felt Bernie stooped to a certain level, Fisher got right down there with him in his response.
This is akin to having every team in little league get a trophy. 1st place all the way to last. You can't be honest and tough anymore. Everyone is so sensitive.
Fisher was pretty restrained in his comments.
An equivalent would've been if Bernie said something along the lines of "Kellen Clemens has has some well-documented struggles as a QB in this league" instead of all the immature comments he felt the need to make.
What was Fisher supposed to say? 'Bernie's a hell of a guy and a class act, but I wish he hadn't said that my players' families should be embarrassed?'
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So you think that Fisher saying Bernie lacked respect for the game and noting his personal issues showed restraint and was an approrpiate response? We'll have to agree to disagree on that. It was classic tit for tat...Fisher was just smoother about it.
And while I agree that he didn't specifically say what Bernie's issues were he opened that door for the reporter to do just that. Again, smooth.
I mean we can go back and forth all day and wordsmith what we think Fisher should have said, but here's one "I disagree with Kosar's assessment of our players. Our guys are working extremely hard and our coaches know what kind of team we have here."
That would have showed restraint and class.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Peter King chimed in with class as well ....... (his comments actually kind of remind me of how a poster on here acts towards people) http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...ksEnabled=falseSports Illustrated's Peter King also chimed in on the topic by writing the following on Twitter: "My question for Kosar after comments in Cle-StL preseason game: Were you drinking? Good guy. But waaay over the top here."
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Everything Bernie said about those players, those players needed to hear except for the embarrassed parents thing. Of course, it's Fisher's job to say those things to those players, not Bernie's.
Still, I say that after all the crap that's been said about the Browns over these losing years by the "professionals in the media" I don't really feel any empathy for Fisher, his player's who played lousy or Kellen Clemens.
Bernie did have some very good things to say about Sam Bradford and other Rams players who did well. He was just calling it as he saw it. Perhaps he should have been more politically correct in his delivery but again it didn't bother me a bit..
If the Browns don't approve they can take him of the preseason games. If they instead tell him to tone it back I'm sure Bernie will make a comment that he "would say something but I've been told to tone it back"
All-in-all I learn from his pure football comments and am entertained by the rest. It's refreshing hearing someone tell it like it is about another bad team rather than having to hear an announcer tell it like it is about a bad Browns team.
Anyone remember how Rich Gannon blasted our guys in regular season games?
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Fisher stooped as low as Bernie with his comments, no doubt about it. But Fisher doesn't represent the Browns. All I care about is the embarrassment Bernie brings to this team. If I never heard from him again, I'd have no problem with it.
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Professionalism does not equal political correctness, and "they do it too" is no excuse.
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Peter King chimed in with class as well ....... (his comments actually kind of remind me of how a poster on here acts towards people)
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...ksEnabled=false
Sports Illustrated's Peter King also chimed in on the topic by writing the following on Twitter: "My question for Kosar after comments in Cle-StL preseason game: Were you drinking? Good guy. But waaay over the top here."
Prime example of "do as I say, not as I do."
Bernie could've had more class with what he said, and how he said it, but apparently he was right? I don't see anyone disagreeing with the gist of his comments - I only see people saying "he could've said it nicer.".
Fisher returned fire, bringing up past issues of Kosar. yup, that's real class, right?
And King? Same thing. Why do we "demand" class out of one person and attack them for not having it, yet let Fisher and King go for their classless remarks?
Bernie could've done better. It is what it is. Fisher could've done better, it is what it is. King comes across as a smarmy little arm chair reporter. He could've done better.
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What's wrong with what King said?
I think it's perfectly legitimate to question whether or not Kosar was drunk when he made those statements, whether seriously or in jest.
Drunk or incredibly dumb are the two most likely reasons for his comments.
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Bernie could've done better. It is what it is.
At what point do you hold Bernie accountable for his lack of professionalism?
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IMO, the most likely reason for Kosar's comments is that he was doing what he thought he was hired to do - offer his opinions on the game going on in front of him. I don't think he was drunk and I know he's not dumb.
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Peter King chimed in with class as well ....... (his comments actually kind of remind me of how a poster on here acts towards people)
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Sports Illustrated's Peter King also chimed in on the topic by writing the following on Twitter: "My question for Kosar after comments in Cle-StL preseason game: Were you drinking? Good guy. But waaay over the top here."
Prime example of "do as I say, not as I do."
Bernie could've had more class with what he said, and how he said it, but apparently he was right? I don't see anyone disagreeing with the gist of his comments - I only see people saying "he could've said it nicer.".
Fisher returned fire, bringing up past issues of Kosar. yup, that's real class, right?
And King? Same thing. Why do we "demand" class out of one person and attack them for not having it, yet let Fisher and King go for their classless remarks?
Bernie could've done better. It is what it is. Fisher could've done better, it is what it is. King comes across as a smarmy little arm chair reporter. He could've done better.
I don't think anyone is letting Fisher or King go for their classless remarks. But the difference is those two don't represent the Browns. The focus is on Bernie because he does represent the Browns. And during the time he was paid to do his JOB, he did it in a very unprofessional way. IMO he deserves to get scolded.
And don't get me started on King. He's always classless. Follow his twitter feed and you'll soon realize it. He gets baited by people all the time and says some pretty stupid stuff. I'm not a fan.
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At what point do you hold Bernie accountable for his lack of professionalism?
I hold him accountable (like I can.......) to the exact same level I hold Fisher and King accountable for their responses. It's fairly simple.
But, I realize we live in a world where "you wronged me, so I'm going to wrong you." is the mantra. They old "hey, joe blow picked on my kid, so I'm going to pick on his kid, AND his wife."
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I don't see any scenario whatsoever where someone would knock Bernie for acting professional. Not sure where you came up with that.
I wish I believed that. But I don't.
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I don't.
Guy's not the sharpest crayon in the box.
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Okay, Bernie represents the Browns.
So, by the same token, Fisher represents his team. Classless remark by him, not?
And King represents S.I., (and mmqb). Classless on his part, right?
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I don't see any scenario whatsoever where someone would knock Bernie for acting professional. Not sure where you came up with that.
I wish I believed that. But I don't.
Could you provide one example of a similar situation?
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I'm not sure what the classless remark by Fisher was. And as someone said above, asking if Kosar was drunk was a legit question. Link
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I don't.
Guy's not the sharpest crayon in the box.
Typical.
Bernie knows football 10 times above what you or I do. Or, 10 times what you and I combined know.
You may disagree with HOW he said what he said, but that doesn't make WHAT he said wrong, does it?
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What I mean is, is there anything he could say that would make you want him replaced? I think his lack of professionalism has gone far enough already, and by "far enough" I mean I actually want something done about it. At what point do we stop saying "It's just Bernie being Bernie" and remove him as a visible representative of this team?
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I don't see any scenario whatsoever where someone would knock Bernie for acting professional. Not sure where you came up with that.
I wish I believed that. But I don't.
Could you provide one example of a similar situation?
Are you kidding? 
It happens on here all the time. Not the media I'm talking about the fans on this site and others.
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Bernie knows football 10 times above what you or I do. Or, 10 times what you and I combined know.
You may disagree with HOW he said what he said, but that doesn't make WHAT he said wrong, does it?
What does his football knowledge have to do with his intelligence?
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Well, he did finish college with a double major in 3 years. I think you can question his allowing his emotions to influence his judgement in personal and financial affairs, but thats not really the same as having an inferior intellect. The guys a freaking savant when it comes to football.
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The guys a freaking savant when it comes to football.
He does remind me of Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.
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Wow, you're digging way back here. Odd. We should be able to discuss this topic without digging up the past, not? So, I "insinuated" I wanted to fight you? My deepest apologies to you. If you dig back further, there was a thread about who we'd like to sit down and have a discussion, in person, with. I named Pit, and you, and someone else.
Shall I go back to pm's you've sent me and re-hash those? The name calling, the insinuations? No, I won't.
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Well, he did finish college with a double major in 3 years. I think you can question his allowing his emotions to influence his judgement in personal and financial affairs, but thats not really the same as having an inferior intellect. The guys a freaking savant when it comes to football.
Yep, a double major in Finance and Economics ...... so he didn't take an easy path through school. He is generally recognized as one of the smartest QBs of his era. He worked the NFL Draft system so he could play where he wanted to play, on his favorite team.
Yep ..... you have to admit that these other guys are right, and he's a moron. I wonder how he can match up his socks in the morning. 
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Okay, all jokes aside, there are many different types of intelligence (Howard Gardner, if interested). Calling Bernie "dumb" is not accurate. He can be intelligent in many different areas, but lack the particular type of intelligence that governs social behavior. People vary in their awareness of socially acceptable behavior. I think Bernie ranks low on this scale, but that doesn't mean he's not high on the football and economics IQ scale. Problem is, as a public representative of an NFL team, you kinda need to be good with the social intelligence.
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Thanks for posting that link. I've heard about that interview but never actually heard it. while I understand that could be construed as him being drunk I also understand that it could have been the symptoms of his concussion issues for which he sought treatment. CLEVELAND —
Former Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar’s glowing assessment of a doctor’s work to ease Kosar’s slurred speech, insomnia and headaches has created a buzz amid rising interest in sports concussions...
Kosar found Sponaugle after doing research on the Internet and arrived at the clinic within days of Kosar’s widely publicized radio interview in which his speech was badly slurred and rambling. canton repository You can find a ton of stuff on that doctor, both good and bad, by doing a search. Kosar claims that his symptoms are 90-95% gone and raves about feeling so much healthier since his treatment. Did he just quit drinking and all the rest is just so much hooey? Who knows. Those who want to just think he's often drunk will think that. But there could be something to his concussion issues and maybe he did finally find a treatment that has helped him.
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Yes a double major in three years while dedicating so much time to the football program.
Some people make comments without even trying to be logical. The proof is in the pudding and his education record speaks for itself. He is very intelligent and I'd bet money the person who made that comment couldn't accomplish what Bernie did in college.
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If I can acknowledge that he stepped over the line with his comments about parents, can you acknowledge that he was trying to be interesting and provocative in what he understood his role to be as commentator for a football broadcast?. Jeez, at least he didn't call Benjamin a little monkey on his punt return (Cosell did that once, if you're too young to know that). In other words, better broadcasters have said much worse things.
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Here is my take on things: There is a kind of language and approach to being negative that Bernie misused. His mistake was mentioning the players ( and especially their families) should be embarassed. Gannon was brutal with Weeden but never got personal about it. That is the key to being critical of someone is you don't question their character for play on the field (exceptions being laziness etc.). I hope we continue to get coverage from Bernie but he learns to keep things impersonal and polite.
You can say a guy stinks, but suggesting he should be embarassed is crossing the line. I'll take Bernie ocassionally slipping up over some fluff color guy any day. Makes me dread the non-critical schlock we get during the season.
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If I can acknowledge that he stepped over the line with his comments about parents, can you acknowledge that he was trying to be interesting and provocative in what he understood his role to be as commentator for a football broadcast?
Yes, I can acknowledge that. Trust me, I like interesting and provocative commentary; but to be provocative while maintaining professionalism is an art, one that Bernie lacks. I think we can all agree the Browns would be better off with a preseason announcer who is capable of being both interesting and provocative while maintaining a professional approach to the commentary. Seems to be the bottom line here.
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There is a reason he does pre-season and not regular season.
His comments about the parents were in response to a question, he didn't duck the question but he didn't go out of his way to bring it up.
I am not in agreement that his conduct was "un-professional". If you just insist that Nobody should Ever say Anything that makes Anybody feel bad, then that's fine. I'm not part of the Barney generation.
Bernie is an EXCELLENT football mind. His insights are useful and informative.
There have also been some Very Exceptionally low-class attempts at character assassination here. There are some people here who should be ashamed of themselves, but they won't be.
What is going to happen is that because he didn't sugar-coat it, we will all lose valuable insight and gain more namby-pamby commentary by people who barely know the game compared to Kosar.
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So, you think him saying the parents should be embarrassed was okay? Really? Most of the parents probably did watch the game on TV. They come in very proud of their sons. Just to have an opportunity to play in a NFL game is probably a thrill to them and something they hold very dear to their heart. Then, the announcer rips them unmercifully. When asked by the other announcer what if the parents are watching and he comes back w/them being embarrassed! Are you kidding me. That's not calling it like you see it. Sorry man, that was low-rent garbage. 
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That's a fair assessment.
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I would bet that a significant number of those parents, whose sons are world-class athletes in a very competitive professional sport, not only agree with what Bernie said but have used those words to their children directly.
You do not achieve excellence, especially at this level, by accepting poor performance.
Now, I never said that the parents comment was okay and must point out that you are making crap up. I would've maybe softened it a bit, maybe "they wouldn't be happy", or something. What he said was less than ideal. It was also the opinion of an expert.
He was a bit harsh, but he wasn't putting babies on spikes.
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