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Not as much as every beat reporter and wannabee tweeting about a play that happens in training camp. Awful.
You just have to be selective in who you follow.. for example, I like following Mark Schlereth because he tweets out some interesting stuff... but every 3rd one is him retweeting some other guys tweet about how good his green chili sauce is... 
Oh and the best follow I've found, bar none, is Jay Bilas.
I follow Jay too, I wish he'd tweet more, what a sharp freakin guy.
Deadspin is by far the best sports follow there is.
The funny thing is, I follow a few beat reporters for the Browns but I feel like I don't even really need to because they're all horrible and usually report news by retweting national reporters who break Browns news first. Kinda sad.
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Twitter is incredible. A great platform for getting news quicker, and getting a plethora of information.
If you could be sure it was accurate and factual, then yeah, it would be terrific. but you can't. so what's it worth? Nothing.
What is likely to be more accurate, Trent Richardson tweeting about Trent Richardson or Mary Kay writing about Trent Richardson? What Mary Kay says in a column about Trent is allowable, what Trent says about himself is not...
Daman, imagine if the only way you were allowed to post on DawgTalkers was by me asking you questions and you sending me PM answers.. and I took those PMs and interpreted them, broke out what I wanted to use and wrote my own post on what is going on with Daman and what he thinks... but if you wanted to make a little one line response for yourself, you were not allowed.. it had to go through me because by some standard, I'm more "official" and more "trustworthy" to say what you think than you are.... That is kind of how I view it.
Should we allow tweets from every Tom, Dick, and Harry to be used as a source in here? Not hardly... but a first person tweet like TJWard tweeting, "Looks like I'm in the lineup for Thursday" or Mingo tweeting "Got my contract signed"... I mean why do we need a reporter to confirm those things in an article before we can discuss them?
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If you're going to judge a source like twitter on being factual and accurate, then I guess you shouldn't watch the news (FOX, CNN) or listen to anyone or anything.
Yeah, people on twitter get it wrong. Sometimes things get mixed up or sometimes (like the Chip Kelly situation) people get duped. It happens. Just like I have said for years' with DT's stance against twitter, who cares? What harm is it? If you hear a false rumor does that signal the end of the world? Rumors are what make the sports world fun.
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plus it gives you something to do while driving.
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I'm very very much on the side of those NOT in favor of allowing Tweeter as part of Dawgtalkers.
Comparing Tweeter with Fox, NBC or any other legitimate news organization is just plain not even close to on point.
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Comparing Tweeter with Fox, NBC or any other legitimate newsMorganization is just plain not even close to on point.
Don't those news organizations use Twitter as a source?
(The answer is yes.)
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I'm very very much on the side of those NOT in favor of allowing Tweeter as part of Dawgtalkers.
Comparing Tweeter with Fox, NBC or any other legitimate news organization is just plain not even close to on point.
CNN's accuracy over the last 12 months thinks that statement is cute.
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I think you are wrong on your interpretation. And calling people liars is completely wrong. Did you ACTUALLY listen to him, or did you just read the transcript? You know, Bernie acts like a jerk and you guys turn around and blame Fisher, the players, King, and posters. 
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Listened to the entire game. Have heard Bernie on the radio 50-100 times.
He SAID "I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED". Numerous people heard this, and have so stated. There is a transcript. It is in BOTH black and white, and orange and black. He was also clearly and obviously as clearly-spoken and crisp as he has ever been, no indication of inebriation compared to a few other interviews.
There is no way anyone could POSSIBLY be confused. He did NOT SAY "Those parents should be embarrassed".
AFTER this was explained, verified, and confirmed, people CONTINUED to state that he spoke of the parents. That is either "lying", or some sort of mental defect. Combine this with the other claims made, the obvious conclusion is that they are aware that what they are saying is not the truth, yet they continue to say it. I call that lying. I call those who do that liars.
Speaking in particularly of those who called him stupid, drunk, mentally unstable, and brought his daughter's choice of work into the discussion, I think they should be ashamed of their actions, I think their parents should be ashamed of their actions, and I don't give a rat's patoot if that offends anyone's delicate sensibilities.
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There is no way anyone could POSSIBLY be confused. He did NOT SAY "Those parents should be embarrassed".
AFTER this was explained, verified, and confirmed, people CONTINUED to state that he spoke of the parents. That is either "lying", or some sort of mental defect. Combine this with the other claims made, the obvious conclusion is that they are aware that what they are saying is not the truth, yet they continue to say it. I call that lying. I call those who do that liars.
Can't believe I'm going to make another response to this thread, but you've sucked me back in.
I'm not sure why you are so hung up on this one statement when this one statement does not constitute the entirety of the controversy. But I do understand where you are coming from on this one particular statement, and I'm going to meet you half way on this one. Hopefully, you can do the same.
So, first, you are correct. He did not say, "those parents should be embarrassed." This we can agree on. However, your claim that he "did not speak of the parents" is misleading because you assume that the word "parents" constitutes the only possible reference to parents. You are ignoring the implication of his comments. He was asked what the parents would think, yes? And he specifically said, according to you, "I would be embarrassed." Do you really want to argue that this statement has nothing to do with the parents?
Jim Donovan asks him, "What if some of their parents are watching?" in a tone that suggests he is uncomfortable with Bernie's comments. Bernie says, "I would be embarrassed." The hidden premise of this statement is "If I were their parents, I would be embarrassed." But you don't get this if you take his comment out of context, as you have done. You must connect his comment with Donovan's question.
Now, he doesn't use the word "should." It can be plausibly argued that "should" is also implied. I'm not going to go there because it seems irrelevant, and it is precisely the thing that is giving you fits. Bernie's statement above, in its proper context, is quite sufficient to establish the meaning of this one comment and its inappropriateness.
Language is tricky business. Not all meanings reside on the surface. If you take his statement out of context, as you have done here, it loses its original meaning. If you want to be accurate in your analysis of this one comment, and I believe you do, then you should provide the entire context for the comment. But if all you are going to do is fixate on individual words, you aren't going to be able to figure out what was actually meant.
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LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think you are wrong on your interpretation. And calling people liars is completely wrong. Did you ACTUALLY listen to him, or did you just read the transcript?
You know, Bernie acts like a jerk and you guys turn around and blame Fisher, the players, King, and posters.
King also acted like a jerk .... maybe even a bigger jerk. Let's not excuse bad behavior because of another's bad behavior.
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CapCity, I am really trying to get a grasp on something here.
1. Did you know what Bernie actually said?
As far as the transcripts go. I watched the game, but don't recall his exact words. At times I tend to tune him out. But I have not quoted him, claimed he said anything at all, or offered an opinion on what he said or what I thought he said.
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No, I have not. I read a post where the poster said two phrases were different and I asked just how different they were. I did not ask anyone for any meaning Bernie put into what he said because no one here really knows what meaning Bernie was putting into his words. Anyone who tries to do so is just speculating.
I accepted the poster's explanation of his post. It's his opinion, why would I not?
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3. Did you not know the difference in meaning of the phrases "I would be" and "They should be" until it was explained.?
I understand the literal difference between the two, yes. And I did not need that explained.
When my kid does something that makes me say "I would be embarrassed if I did that" then my meaning is basically that he should be embarrassed as well. I realize I didn't say "You should be embarrassed" but the gist is the same. Same thing with "I would be pissed off if that happened to me." I am implying that I think he should be pissed off that it happened to him.
But that's me, that's how I use that kind of phrase. If you do not, that's fine. But it's just as fine if I do. That's how opinions work. It's just as OK for one person to have one as it for someone else to have a different one. You don't agree with me, that's fine. Don't. I will get along. But don't be condescending about it.
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Those who are saying "He said their parents should be embarrassed" are flat-out lying, I see no other explanation for their behavior. The same crowd is also saying he is stupid, drunk, mentally unstable, etc.
For at least some of them, I understand why they do it. It is the people who hear this, and continue to believe it in the face of contradictory facts, that concern me.
I never said he said that, or that he said anything else. I never called him drunk, stupid or anything else other than "Bernie." And I never said what I believe or don't believe about this whole thing.
Bernie said what was on his mind. Some think we went too far, some did not. Fisher then said what was on his mind. Some thought that was OK, some did not.
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"Out of Context"??? Really? I don't get, at all, how anyone could possibly be reading this thread and not understand the context completely and thoroughly, provided they have sorted through the false statements. Taking something "out of context" is not possible, IMO.
Rather than view it as "If I were their parents", I took it as "if these were my children". THIS is what I would do, what somebody else does is their business entirely.
If these kids were orphans and their parents did not exist, the statement still stands, with no "implication" of what the parents "should" do.
Somebody else suggested that his meaning was that he would be embarrassed about his comments if he were addressing the parents directly, but from the way he said it, I don't think so. The poor performance was on the field, not in the booth.
CapCity, I did not mean to suggest that you were party to the other, more despicable comments. However, you say that you did not need an explanation, yet you asked for one and seemed enlightened when you received it. Perhaps that was just a clarification of that particular poster's opinion.
The explanation given was clear; that Bernie was not suggesting in any way what someone else would or should do, he clearly stated what he would do. Saying "Here is how I would handle that" is not necessarily saying "YOU must do it this way". The "implication", to me, is that YOUR method, IMO, won't work very well. You are free to try it that way, but you might want to investigate an alternative method.
Which reminds me of something, somebody mentioned my own parents earlier. First, they've both been dead for some time, but if I had been one of those WR, I can tell you almost word for word what my own father would say - "What alternate forms of employment are you currently considering?"
I notice few comments on the other claims which have been made. If somebody doesn't like what Bernie said, that's fine and dandy. When they try to bolster their argument with false, malicious, and downright low accusations, that is just the worst kind of venal, despicable crap. I have actually been waiting for someone to claim " I have it on good authority that while in college, he MATRICULATED, and his wife is a KNOWN THESPIAN!"
Google it. It worked then, and it still, all too often, works today.
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i've kept away from this thread out of my love for Bernie.
During Halftime, I did ask in dawgchat if anyone else thought Bernie had been drinking.
As far as his comments during the game, I thought he was overly critical and condescending. His knowledge and foresight into the play I thought was insightful and very interesting. I wish more commentators did more of that.
I also feel that he was correct in getting reprimanded for his commentary. But to his credit and I agree with him on this, He said, "they would never give him an illustrator" like they do Madden. I wish they would. Kosar is one of the most intelligent ppl to ever have been associated with this organization.
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I listened, too. My interpretation is not the same as yours. Tone of voice. The guy can't formulate a sentence to save his life.
I won't insult you like you did me.
Bernie was wrong in my opinion. You guys hating on everyone doesn't change that. Now, I am done.
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Would not hire him as a consultant to save his life. After all of the rubbing the wrong way he did on Friday!
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I loved it when Bernie said "Nadominic Suh".
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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I caught that too... and  !! Bernie... that lovable, laughable lug. No finer analytical mind in the game, either as player or post-career color man.... ...but dang... 'smooth,' he ain't. Now before anyone dumps all over me, let me say this as well: for me, it's part of his appeal. He's always been like this, and he won't ever change. Plain-spoken... and with that lurch in his delivery, his words remind me of his style of play: it's awkward, weird, and the antithesis of pretty... but he most often hits the points he was aiming for. ("Sidearm speak?") In my book, that counts for a lot. I gots nothing but affection for BeeKay... but he could mispronounce 'John Smith' if he got too excited in the booth-  p.s. I still say that if I was a Browns rook or 2nd year QB, I'd soak up anything the guy had to say... so, yesI'd be grateful to have him as a consultant- especially in the film room. (I'd take my 'mechanics coaching' from the staff, however-) .02
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I caught that too... and !!
Bernie... that lovable, laughable lug.
No finer analytical mind in the game, either as player or post-career color man....
...but dang... 'smooth,' he ain't.
Now before anyone dumps all over me, let me say this as well: for me, it's part of his appeal. He's always been like this, and he won't ever change. Plain-spoken... and with that lurch in his delivery, his words remind me of his style of play: it's awkward, weird, and the antithesis of pretty... but he most often hits the points he was aiming for. ("Sidearm speak?") In my book, that counts for a lot.
I gots nothing but affection for BeeKay... but he could mispronounce 'John Smith' if he got too excited in the booth-
p.s. I still say that if I was a Browns rook or 2nd year QB, I'd soak up anything the guy had to say... so, yesI'd be grateful to have him as a consultant- especially in the film room. (I'd take my 'mechanics coaching' from the staff, however-)
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I have read the thread and others comments on Bernie and totally agree with this ^^^
I listened to both games (thank god for Gamepass for us in the UK) and I enjoyed Kosar's commentary. He shouldn't have bitten on the parents reference but I found his Clemens quote funny. He's not for everyone and if he could restrain himself to commentating on commentating on the PLAY rather than targetting players, coaches, etc, he'd probably please everyone. However, his job is to fill in. I think he works well with Donovan although I think Donovan would prefer a less stressful gig 
I concur with LeCharles Bentley on the matter  People need to relax because in the grand scheme of things, it's small beer.
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I imagine Jim Donovan has a headache after every preseason game from all of the  induced by Bernie's commentary.
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So anyway ......... Kellen Clemens went 2-11 for 27 yards and 2 INT against the Packers Saturday night. I wonder if the announcers raved about his proficiency and amazing accuracy just to avoid being "Bernied"?   lol
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Kellen Clemens went 2-11 for 27 yards and 2 INT against the Packers Saturday night.
I wonder if the announcers raved about his proficiency and amazing accuracy just to avoid being "Bernied"? lol
Again, it's not about Kellen Clemens, his prowess as a quarterback, or lack thereof.
I understand that Bernie is a Browns legend, but I don't get how so many are being obtuse about this.
He trashed the product on the field. He basically came out and said 'This guy is terrible, and shouldn't be on the field'. Forget how juvenile he was when he did it...Business 101 tells anyone with half of a brain that this isn't a great idea.
As a commentator, I'd say the three biggest parts of your job are to describe the action on the field, give insight into what is described, and promote the product. If you're failing to do any one of those three, you probably won't have a job very long.
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OK I watched the game again yesterday. All this fuss about Bernie and the parents is a total waste of time. When Bernie was asked about "What if the parents were watching" His comment of "I would be embarrassed" Was directed at himself, not the player or the parents.
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OK I watched the game again yesterday. All this fuss about Bernie and the parents is a total waste of time. When Bernie was asked about "What if the parents were watching" His comment of "I would be embarrassed" Was directed at himself, not the player or the parents.
You are stretching that one. Bernie was out of line, but it's over. He knows he messed up and was more on line in his second broadcast.
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I heard it the same way, GM.
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I bet those players hear far worse in practice ...... especially Clemens, who I bet got an earful after going 2-11 with 2 INT.
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