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On a somewhat related musing... When was the last time we had zero rookie starters? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Moffitt beats out Gilkey, isn't that the case?
Have we even had that since The Return??
Even under Mangini and Crennel we had rookies starting.
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So in your opinion, the fact that they will "roll with what we have" is equal to being "sold on what we have"?
I don't know if that's what DC meant, but isn't it always, "we'll roll with what have, until we get the next big thing"
I mean, that's the nature of the business isn't it.
Payton Manning comes to mind. Has there really been a much better QB for the last 13 or so years? Yet, money got in the way, and at that moment, the Colts had the 1st pick and look who was there, Andrew Luck? Literally, the 1 can't miss QB in the draft last season.
You have to ask, if Luck weren't there or if the Colts had the 10th pick and no chance of moving up to get him if he was, would they have let's Manning leave? I doubt it.
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And to Damon......
I hope to see Weeden play to a level that I'm sold on him long term. But as I've posted, I feel the jury is far from out on that at this point in time.
Like I said, I'm not sold on anything I see in Preseason. I've been fooled too many times. But that doesn't mean I can't feel encouraged with what I've seen. And for the moment, that's where I'm at.
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So in your opinion, the fact that they will "roll with what we have" is equal to being "sold on what we have"? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.
That's what you got out of what I said? Because what I was trying to say is pretty much the exact opposite of that.
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On a somewhat related musing... When was the last time we had zero rookie starters? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Moffitt beats out Gilkey, isn't that the case?
Potentially McFadden and Slaughter.
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So in your opinion, the fact that they will "roll with what we have" is equal to being "sold on what we have"? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.
That's what you got out of what I said? Because what I was trying to say is pretty much the exact opposite of that.
Will you please try to be clear? LOL (did that for you PDR)
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My first post on this thread addressed how full of crap the author of the original article was.
Here are some givens:
--I don't think there hasn't been any doubt since May who the starting QB was going to be.
--Why should anyone be "sold" on Weeden after his performance this year?
--Weeden is getting this year to prove himself. What is wrong w/that and why should the team commit to him as our long-term starter?
A lot of people making something out of nothing.
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I am thinking this thread is now moot and should probably be locked. 
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I am thinking this thread is now moot and should probably be locked.
As should the other multitude of Weeden threads, keeping only one open...
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I'm surprised at the number of posts that have been added since the announcement... but yey, here I am... adding to the thread length.... 
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Pick your choice
Weeden is not the quarterback, until he is.
Weeden is the quarterback, until he is not.
Play and time will determine if the first or second statement applies.
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I am thinking this thread is now moot and should probably be locked.
As should the other multitude of Weeden threads, keeping only one open...
Same with all the Trent threads. How many threads need to be open to discuss how injury prone he is, and isn't? Mods should wake up and deplete the redundancy.
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It's not 'doom and gloom' to say that Weeden doesn't look like an NFL starting QB.
PDR...I'm only on page 3 so possibly there has been some different direction going on since Norv pretty much endorsed Weeden's work n seems rather pleased with him as the starter.
But It was definitely DOOM n GLOOM to say that Weeden doesn't look like an NFL starting QB. When atcually he most certainly has looked like one these first couple of preseason games.
Caution in praise??? Definitely there you are correct in that but its the Doom n Gloom slant in reading between the lines that I do object to a little bit. We didn't know...They as coaches didn't know.
It has been brought out that Weeden didn't have a good season last year. His mechanics where not good in many areas. But I don't wish to do one of those I TOLD YOU SO POSTS...lol but I will.
I said almost ALL of his mechanic problems would be cured if he got Comfortable in his position. I also stated it just so happens that Norv n Chud excel in that. Sure enough Weeden has gotten comfortable in this new system. The more he does the better he is he most definitely is very accurate with his throws compared with last year. And unlike Campbell many of his throws are on routes of more than 10 yards. Where Campbell mostly hits the short passes, accurately I might add so that we do get decent YAC out of the plays.
But nothing Norv or Chud "DID" not say showed that they did not think Weeden could become an NFL starter. I hear you on the you think he will start but it doesn't mean he's a real NFL Starting QB. But it is not "Clearly" as you claim. I think he is a starting NFL QB in this system and will be. Now is that my HOMERISM or my Good Football eye...probably a combo of both. I think right now he will be a "GOOD" QB. But you need a GREAT QB on most occasions for a Championship run. Will he be a great one? We will see - right now he is good enough to win more games than we will lose - Good enough to get us in the playoffs. Will he be great to get us deep in the playoffs and compete for the Championship? That is in my eyes a still wait n see. What to look for?
For me its the "IT" factor when its late in the game and we need that Drive and score n he consistently comes through. When I see that then I will know if he's GREAT.
Also what I do know regardless of Good or Great...we need to invest in the near future. If a QB falls into our laps...we will jump on that opportunity to get him. We might not have urgency but if its there we have to simply because of the age factor of Weeden.
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For me its the "IT" factor when its late in the game and we need that Drive and score n he consistently comes through. When I see that then I will know if he's GREAT.
This is it.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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...regardless of Good or Great...we need to invest in the near future... we have to simply because of the age factor of Weeden. JMHO
I'm on the same page as you, eo (as likely many more are also). I'd say within the next 2 years, 3 at most, we must procure (draft?) our next QB of the future...
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Also what I do know regardless of Good or Great...we need to invest in the near future. If a QB falls into our laps...we will jump on that opportunity to get him. We might not have urgency but if its there we have to simply because of the age factor of Weeden.
It's not like Weeden is 40 years old. I have been making fun of Weeden's age since the day we drafted him and even I think that is silly. The guy isn't even 30 years old yet. If he is successful we shouldn't even think about drafting a QB high for at least four more years. (I don't think at least four years is the near future, but if you do then I am mistaken).
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...regardless of Good or Great...we need to invest in the near future... we have to simply because of the age factor of Weeden. JMHO
I'm on the same page as you, eo (as likely many more are also). I'd say within the next 2 years, 3 at most, we must procure (draft?) our next QB of the future...
Exactly. But at least we don't have to run around like our head's on fire looking for one. Barring any major injuries we should be at least OK at QB this year. Weeden is a one contract player because of his age so we can't be fool enough to not take a good QB when one comes along.
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Weeden is a one contract player because of his age so we can't be fool enough to not take a good QB when one comes along.
Since when do QBs start stinking at age 32?
Does this mean the Giants are going to get rid of Eli Manning at the end of the season? Ben Roethlisberger only has one year left. Russell Wilson only has eight years left, but that's better than Aaron Rodgers who only has three years left. I can't believe the Broncos, Saints, and Patriots are even considering going into the season with the age of their washed up QBs.
Like I said in an earlier post, I have been one of Weeden's biggest detractors because of his age. If he is successful we don't have to worry about drafting another QB high. QBs usually age pretty well if they don't have to run around a whole bunch.
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I heard someone say something that's true ..... (and this is not to compare the 2 directly in any other way, or to imply that Weeden will lead us to multiple Super Boel wins ....) however, Weeden is roughly the same age as Steve Young was when he took over as Niners' QB. Steve Young started 14 games for the Bucs as a 25 year old. He then rode the bench in Tampa Bay and San Francisco until he started 10 games in 1990, at age 30. He then started 16 games as a 31 year old in 1991, and lost in the Conference Championship Game. The he went on to win the Super Bowl a few years later. This is not to guarantee that Weeden will take us to a Super Bowl championship, but he could still have 6-8 years left in him to perform at a high level, if his talent allows him to get there. Heck, Kurt Warner had a 12 year career despite not making an NFL team until he was 27. I'll consider Weeden a success even if he can "only" give us 4 or 5 years of plus level starting QB play, That would be better than we've seen from any QB over the past decade and a half .... or more. 
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I'll consider Weeden a success even if he can "only" give us 4 or 5 years of plus level starting QB play, That would be better than we've seen from any QB over the past decade and a half .... or more.
He would only need to give us 2 years of plus-level play to be better than anyone we've seen here since The Return.
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As noted I said urgency is not there. But if a Good QB falls into our laps. Drops because of Injury...or not much experience or RAW like a Kaepernick type. I'm saying we can and probably will jump on it then groom him. You never know when the opportunity will come which is all I'm saying if it does you jump on it.
Lets say its 3 years from now - a kid we would want to develop him - no rush with Weeden playing like a starter should. Rivers draft over all #4 was on the bench developing for 3 years??? while Brees emerged. So that when the kid might be ready to take over Weeden would be 36 or 35 turning 36...So we could trade Weeden for a couple of first rounders??? or First n 2nd???
You can never be in a bad way with another studding QB. I'm not saying 2014, 15, etc. I'm saying whenever it just so happens one falls into our laps we will not trade out of that slot but pick the kid.
JMHO...what really happens who knows. Just my suggestion n thoughts. There is no right or wrong. Right now lets get Weeden to be actually GOOD! 
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I'm on the same page as you, eo (as likely many more are also). I'd say within the next 2 years, 3 at most, we must procure (draft?) our next QB of the future...
I'd say 3 or 4 of if a great opportunity presents itself. Weeden will soon be 30 but he doesn't have the wear and tear of a 30 year old NFL QB since this is just his second year... and he's not a running guy any way... no reason he couldn't be effective late into his 30s if he's good enough...
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Weeden is a one contract player because of his age so we can't be fool enough to not take a good QB when one comes along.
Since when do QBs start stinking at age 32?
Does this mean the Giants are going to get rid of Eli Manning at the end of the season? Ben Roethlisberger only has one year left. Russell Wilson only has eight years left, but that's better than Aaron Rodgers who only has three years left. I can't believe the Broncos, Saints, and Patriots are even considering going into the season with the age of their washed up QBs.
Like I said in an earlier post, I have been one of Weeden's biggest detractors because of his age. If he is successful we don't have to worry about drafting another QB high. QBs usually age pretty well if they don't have to run around a whole bunch.
I agree w/this. If Weeden proves to be a good QB, the age thing is not huge. He could give us a good 5-6 years.
My issue w/him is in regards to how he reads defenses, coverages, and handles pressure.
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Ron Jaworski was on mike and mike yesterday, talking about Weeden's rookie performance...
It starts at the 2:40 mark http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9587712&s=espn
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Good find thanks Mac. I've heard more people praise the Browns this preseason than ever before. I do think it is warranted at this point ... let's hope it's the same way one month from now.
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It starts at the 2:40 mark http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9587712&s=espn
It appears he thinks Weeden can be the man.. I really want him to be right.
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It starts at the 2:40 mark http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9587712&s=espn
It appears he thinks Weeden can be the man.. I really want him to be right.
It was interesting to note that Jaws said he even contacted the Browns about Weeden, giving his positive assessment after reviewing all of Weeden's passes.
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