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Right. Once upon a time, an internship was a chance to spend time with the "pros" and gain exposure to actual industry, in exchange for doing some of the undesirable grunt work so that they wouldn't have to.
Now it seems like companies expect you to come out of the internship being the pro.
The internship is the new entry-level position, just as the masters degree is the new bachelors.
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thats odd cause i don't see them. maybe where you live. but i'm stationed in Ft. sill, and in a military town of all places, there are barely any jobs, unless you have a degree of some sort. hell, back before i joined the military, there wasn't much to choose from in cleveland back in 2006.
i don't have a problem with old people working. i'll say this again, i have a problem with old people working typical jobs that normally teenagers work in, for various reasons including college and such. you can work in an office still, or hell even Wal-Wart. plenty of adults and seniors work there. and theres plenty of other places.
but sorry, i get annoyed when i see a 61 year old guy working at foot locker, who doesn't know the hottest brands out and gets annoyed when theres teenagers running around. places like that, and entry level fast food positions are for teens and early 20's to get some job experience.
so yes, i have a problem with seniors working THOSE type of jobs.
So you are saying that I would not be able to find a job by going to a few fast food joints? I find that hard to believe. All I see around Columbus and Roanoke, VA (the two cities I know the most) are help wanted signs at McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, you name it. I agree that these jobs should be for high school/college kids but I don't think that minimum wage jobs are that hard to come by. Maybe I am wrong, as I haven't looked for one in 25 years, but there sure are a lot of help wanted signs around for these types of jobs.
i'm only 26, been in service since i was 18. that wasn't that long ago that in cleveland, ohio, especially where i lived, it was hard to find those fast food jobs, cause everybody was looking for employment as well.
in ft sill oklahoma, a significantly smaller town than cleveland, its damn near impossible. so yes, i'm saying you wouldn't find but a few fast food openings.
and please, don't bother looking it up at pizza hut and trying to link it, because most teenagers don't have cars.
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sort of, but at the end of the day, i still think i rather young kids, including my own daughters when they get to working age, to work at occupy jobs like that, rather than some old guy who already is getting a retirement check, just so he/she can be young.
so sorry if i offend you, but i rather have teenagers to work at fast food joints paying their way through college or just earning experience than senior citizens who've already made their mark on the world working at these jobs just to feel young again...or how it usually is in my observations, stare at young women like old perverts.
you're retired, time to let the young bucks earn their keep.
REALLY?
Go to any McDonald Franchise owner or to a store manager at Wal-mart.. They'll tell you without any reservation, the most reliable people that work for them are the retirees. The ones that come back either out of need money or need to feel alive and stay in contact with people.
Go ask them..
and? that isn't going to change my opinion.
of course a manager would RATHER hire somebody older over some rebel ass teenager. jesus, you act like thats some sort of secret coding in a painting only the smartest can figure out.
but it doesn't change the issue that those jobs are usually for teens to get job experience and pay for schooling. so once again, i rather teens work those jobs than seniors.
if you want to work so bad, why retire in the first place. you had your glory days. its over. time to let the young bucks have a shot.
when i hit 20 years in the military(13 left to go!!!) i'm not gonna linger around like some old guy peeking in victoria secret. i'm going to chuck the deuces, and let the young guns take over from there.
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but it doesn't change the issue that those jobs are usually for teens to get job experience and pay for schooling. so once again, i rather teens work those jobs than seniors.
Re-read that, in the context of the thread: people striking for $15 an hour.
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This is true. Kids don't want to work at McDonalds. I once worked at McDonalds with my girlfriend and a few friends. Took me about 2 weeks to quit. I absolutely hated it. Everyone I ever knew who worked in fast food could only last a few months at most.
I think it's because parents and teachers always told us to never work flipping burgers. We've linked being dumb = flipping burgers, and no one wants to be dumb.
I forget who posted it but I would imagine that the two scenarios above about cross town McD's is probably pretty close. You have one McDs with primarily HS and College students who know (or think) this is not their future and the service is friendly and nice... across town you have 20 somethings who don't have that same optimistic view of their future and the service and food aren't nearly as good...
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Sorry, I'm not going to buy it. All of the below job listings are from the corporate websites: McDonalds openings in Cleveland proper (many more in suburbs as well) McDonalds in Lawton (Ft Sill) Oklahoma job openingsThe other restaurants don't have as nice of a search feature, but a Google of <company name> + jobs + <city, state> returns quite a bit as well. Pizza delivery seems like a bad idea in general with the price of gas. I know I always tip well, and in cash (no IRS reporting if played correctly), when I get a pizza delivered because of the fuel costs. My girlfriend has no college education (she is going to school now) and has never had trouble finding some sort of job somewhere. Not the greatest jobs - waiting tables for the most part - but at least it was something. This is in Roanoke, VA. She used to have the same attitude as you until I convinced her otherwise. It is all about asking and then presenting yourself as reliable and courteous - these are bottom rung, entry level jobs; not much to them other than showing up, working with a good attitude and listening to management. If you do that, odds are a promotion could be something achieved, or at least a raise. Businesses want good employees, and they are very hard to find. She got a job at a high end (as high end as you can get in Roanoke at least) sushi restaurant by us eating there a few times and then asking the manager if there were any openings. After she interviewed I basically forced her to write a thank you note to the manager and personally deliver it. She thought it was the stupidest idea ever conceived. Guess what - she got the job. The manager said she was the first person to ever give them a thank you note for and interview and how appreciative he was of it.
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Pizza delivery seems like a bad idea in general with the price of gas. I know I always tip well, and in cash (no IRS reporting if played correctly), when I get a pizza delivered because of the fuel costs.
I delivered pizzas for a while in grad school and tipping in cash doesn't matter (at least it didn't). They start you off with a bag of cash for making change, you work all night, collecting cash, checks, coupons, credit card slips, whatever.... then at the end of the night they hand you your delivery tickets, let's say it ads us to $500, then you count out everything in your bag, the intial amount you had for change, coupons first, credit card slips next, checks next, then cash.. once you had enough to cover your delivery tickets, whatever cash you had left over was yours to keep.... so it didn't matter how you gave them the tip.
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When you hire a retiree, you get someone that is already seasoned, understands the value of the service they provide and they show up and do a good job
And they are slow as hell. The older the woman working the register at Wal-Mart, the longer it takes me to get through the line. When it's time to checkout, I make my choice of register based on who looks the youngest.
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Sorry, I'm not going to buy it. All of the below job listings are from the corporate websites:
McDonalds openings in Cleveland proper (many more in suburbs as well)
McDonalds in Lawton (Ft Sill) Oklahoma job openings
The other restaurants don't have as nice of a search feature, but a Google of <company name> + jobs + <city, state> returns quite a bit as well.
Pizza delivery seems like a bad idea in general with the price of gas. I know I always tip well, and in cash (no IRS reporting if played correctly), when I get a pizza delivered because of the fuel costs.
My girlfriend has no college education (she is going to school now) and has never had trouble finding some sort of job somewhere. Not the greatest jobs - waiting tables for the most part - but at least it was something. This is in Roanoke, VA.
She used to have the same attitude as you until I convinced her otherwise. It is all about asking and then presenting yourself as reliable and courteous - these are bottom rung, entry level jobs; not much to them other than showing up, working with a good attitude and listening to management. If you do that, odds are a promotion could be something achieved, or at least a raise. Businesses want good employees, and they are very hard to find.
She got a job at a high end (as high end as you can get in Roanoke at least) sushi restaurant by us eating there a few times and then asking the manager if there were any openings. After she interviewed I basically forced her to write a thank you note to the manager and personally deliver it. She thought it was the stupidest idea ever conceived. Guess what - she got the job. The manager said she was the first person to ever give them a thank you note for and interview and how appreciative he was of it.
why are you posting listings in cleveland? that was back in 2006 and earlier, please read my post again. it might help.
and thats good for you. stand up guy, ultra citizen.
now for the rest of us that live in normal american societies where managers can give 2 craps if you write them a letter or not, we all know that those same listings you posted are NEVER always opened.
ESPECIALLY at McDonalds. they hire and fire, and people quit and get re-hired every damn day there. so yes it says its open NOW. a day, maybe 2 from now? negative, sir.
so yet again, i think those jobs should be for teenagers. thats just how i feel. it won't change.
if you defend seniors getting these jobs so much, answer this: if they wanna feel alive and work and feel young, why come out of retirement in the first place?
i don't know about you and others, but in my experience, seniors are always getting pissed off at us younger people every time we step up in foot locker or kfc, or hell the mall. ya know, wheÏe teens are suppose to hang out and work there.
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sort of, but at the end of the day, i still think i rather young kids, including my own daughters when they get to working age, to work at occupy jobs like that, rather than some old guy who already is getting a retirement check, just so he/she can be young.
so sorry if i offend you, but i rather have teenagers to work at fast food joints paying their way through college or just earning experience than senior citizens who've already made their mark on the world working at these jobs just to feel young again...or how it usually is in my observations, stare at young women like old perverts.
you're retired, time to let the young bucks earn their keep.
REALLY?
Go to any McDonald Franchise owner or to a store manager at Wal-mart.. They'll tell you without any reservation, the most reliable people that work for them are the retirees. The ones that come back either out of need money or need to feel alive and stay in contact with people.
Go ask them..
and? that isn't going to change my opinion.
of course a manager would RATHER hire somebody older over some rebel ass teenager. jesus, you act like thats some sort of secret coding in a painting only the smartest can figure out.
but it doesn't change the issue that those jobs are usually for teens to get job experience and pay for schooling. so once again, i rather teens work those jobs than seniors.
if you want to work so bad, why retire in the first place. you had your glory days. its over. time to let the young bucks have a shot.
when i hit 20 years in the military(13 left to go!!!) i'm not gonna linger around like some old guy peeking in victoria secret. i'm going to chuck the deuces, and let the young guns take over from there.
Hey,, I don't care if it changes your opinion, if you like being wrong, so be it 
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except you haven't proved me wrong on any points.
since its relative, anyway.
which yet again, you didn't answer the question: if seniors want to work and feel young and blah blah blah, why retire in the first place?
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for what it's worth, malls weren't designed for teens to "hang out".
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except you haven't proved me wrong on any points.
since its relative, anyway.
which yet again, you didn't answer the question: if seniors want to work and feel young and blah blah blah, why retire in the first place?
Possibly to get away from the 8-5 every day grind. Or the 7-3 every day grind. Retire to have more time to do what they want.......work part time to bring in a little spending money, get them out of the house.......give them something to do so they don't get old.
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yet thats exactly what happens, which is why they have so many stores catered to young women and men.
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BTW, my comment about older workers wasn't simply meant to be funny. I feel bad for any poster under the age of 30 reading this board. Everywhere I look I see older posters putting down the younger generation in total. Nothing but a spoiled "entitlement" generation with no work ethic, right guys?  I heard from a younger poster recently via PM about this very thing. The ageism on this board is unbelievable.
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except you haven't proved me wrong on any points.
since its relative, anyway.
which yet again, you didn't answer the question: if seniors want to work and feel young and blah blah blah, why retire in the first place?
Possibly to get away from the 8-5 every day grind. Or the 7-3 every day grind. Retire to have more time to do what they want.......work part time to bring in a little spending money, get them out of the house.......give them something to do so they don't get old.
so they leave a job with good pay and benefits of which the requirements are either multiple years of experience and/or a degree, and instead take the jobs that teenagers need to have multiple years of work experience for future other jobs to pay for degrees.
makes sense.
my problem with that situation isn't the fact that they are working at McDonalds, it's that they aren't taking these Assistant Manager or Manager positions. i would hope they would take those. instead, they are taking the cashier/burger flipper/floor mopper jobs.
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so they leave a job with good pay and benefits of which the requirements are either multiple years of experience and/or a degree, and instead take the jobs that teenagers need to have multiple years of work experience for future other jobs to pay for degrees.
makes sense.
Depending on what they did for a living, it does. After many years in a high stress career, I can see somebody wanting to do something easy after they retire.
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why are you posting listings in cleveland? that was back in 2006 and earlier, please read my post again. it might help.
Well, maybe because you mentioned Cleveland AND that it was in 2006. It should be MUCH worse now. I also posted where you are currently at, any response?
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now for the rest of us that live in normal american societies where managers can give 2 craps if you write them a letter or not, we all know that those same listings you posted are NEVER always opened.
Keep thinking that way my friend. Ask Damanshot about simple things like a thank you. He is in the placement business. It does matter, but keep thinking it doesn't - it makes it easier for those that care to get a job.
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ESPECIALLY at McDonalds. they hire and fire, and people quit and get re-hired every damn day there. so yes it says its open NOW. a day, maybe 2 from now? negative, sir.
I'm not following. There were hundreds of openings listed. You are wrong, face it.
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so yet again, i think those jobs should be for teenagers. thats just how i feel. it won't change.
I certainly don't disagree with that, but I can also see where it shouldn't only be teenagers. If you are working as a crew member in your mid 30's at McDonalds something has gone horribly wrong.
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For one, stress. There is a whole lot less stress working at Wal-Mart, fast food, the mall, etc than most any job. I know I don't want to do it unless I have to, but to each their own. I'm not trying to convince to anything other than the earlier statements that you made that there were no jobs at a minimum wage level. That is simply untrue.
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i don't know about you and others, but in my experience, seniors are always getting pissed off at us younger people every time we step up in foot locker or kfc, or hell the mall. ya know, where teens are suppose to hang out and work there.
I haven't experienced that, but I am much older than you (41) so I'm kinda in the middle. I don't shop a whole lot other than for groceries - other than that everything is bought on-line since it is normally a lot cheaper.
Don't mean for you to think I have an attitude or anything. It is just irritating to me when people say there are no jobs at a minimum wage level. It isn't easy for anyone out there right now, but to find a minimum wage job should not be that difficult for teens and seniors alike.
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Pizza delivery seems like a bad idea in general with the price of gas. I know I always tip well, and in cash (no IRS reporting if played correctly), when I get a pizza delivered because of the fuel costs.
I delivered pizzas for a while in grad school and tipping in cash doesn't matter (at least it didn't). They start you off with a bag of cash for making change, you work all night, collecting cash, checks, coupons, credit card slips, whatever.... then at the end of the night they hand you your delivery tickets, let's say it ads us to $500, then you count out everything in your bag, the intial amount you had for change, coupons first, credit card slips next, checks next, then cash.. once you had enough to cover your delivery tickets, whatever cash you had left over was yours to keep.... so it didn't matter how you gave them the tip.
I'm going to ask the delivery person next time I order pizza. They don't put the cash I give them into the zipper bag; it normally goes in their pocket so I just made the assumption it was the same as a waiter, hair stylist, etc that they could not necessarily report all of the tips towards taxes if played correctly. Interesting; I'll report back the next time I order a pizza 
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Pizza delivery seems like a bad idea in general with the price of gas. I know I always tip well, and in cash (no IRS reporting if played correctly), when I get a pizza delivered because of the fuel costs.
I delivered pizzas for a while in grad school and tipping in cash doesn't matter (at least it didn't). They start you off with a bag of cash for making change, you work all night, collecting cash, checks, coupons, credit card slips, whatever.... then at the end of the night they hand you your delivery tickets, let's say it ads us to $500, then you count out everything in your bag, the intial amount you had for change, coupons first, credit card slips next, checks next, then cash.. once you had enough to cover your delivery tickets, whatever cash you had left over was yours to keep.... so it didn't matter how you gave them the tip.
I'm going to ask the delivery person next time I order pizza. They don't put the cash I give them into the zipper bag; it normally goes in their pocket so I just made the assumption it was the same as a waiter, hair stylist, etc that they could not necessarily report all of the tips towards taxes if played correctly. Interesting; I'll report back the next time I order a pizza
The way I've read things (DC and you), you're both saying the same thing, basically.
I delivered pizza's in college. (along with working about 15 hours a week in a wood furniture factory) I certainly didn't do both jobs every day........but delivering pizza's, it was common to put $100 in tips in my pocket each time I worked.
Throw in a 3rd job - night security at a boat manufacturing plant....once a weekend, maybe twice. hey, we made it. ("we" being my at the time wife, my son, and me) Golly, I guess you could say I had 3 jobs, a wife, a kid, and full time school, and I still graduated with a B.A. in Business Admin. in 4 years.
The security job and the wood plant job paid minimum. I made more delivering pizzas if memory serves me.
Can anyone wonder why I don't "feel" for the fast food workers? I had 3 jobs.........plus full time college, WITH a wife and kid, and we made it.
Work ethic. You have it, or you don't. I never once asked the wood place or the boat place for a raise.
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I need to add this: Not once did I think I was "owed". I did what I needed to do and never thought twice about it. I sure didn't want to be "praised" for anything. We had bills, I found jobs that allowed me the time to go to school full time, I went to school and did the jobs.......I didn't realize I had it rough.
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Hey, ask the delivery person.. like I said, it's possible that things have changed since I haven't delivered pizzas for over 20 years.... prepaid with a credit card was extremely rare when I delivered them, now it's much more the norm... that alone could have changed it.
And I waited tables too and it was the same... all of your tips get cashed out at the end of the night and you are left with a handful of cash for your tips, then you "claimed" what you wanted to. Usually you claimed the bare minimum that got you close to the current minimum wage because I was always told that is what kept the IRS from seeing red flags.
If the IRS gets red flags over waiters making $7-8 bucks an hour then that sounds like a problem with the IRS...
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I never claimed tips as a delivery person when I delivered pizzas.
Man, that was a great job too. I made a lot of easy and fast cash every night. I would never go home with less than $30-$40 in my pocket, in addition to my pay, even on the slower nights. On the weekends, I would often make $100 in tips, plus the mileage fee I was paid for using my car. I got invites to parties after work ..... was met at doors by girls in various stages of disrobe ...... and generally had a great time. I would work a 9 or 10 hour day on the weekends, and it would go by in no time flat.
I never claimed my tips, because the IRS had no way of knowing whether I was in store, or delivering pizzas. The pay was the same for either job, and the company didn't break down the number of hours worked in the store and delivering pizzas.
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Man, that was a great job too. I made a lot of easy and fast cash every night. I would never go home with less than $30-$40 in my pocket, in addition to my pay, even on the slower nights. On the weekends, I would often make $100 in tips, plus the mileage fee I was paid for using my car. I got invites to parties after work ..... was met at doors by girls in various stages of disrobe ...... and generally had a great time. I would work a 9 or 10 hour day on the weekends, and it would go by in no time flat.
I never claimed my tips, because the IRS had no way of knowing whether I was in store, or delivering pizzas. The pay was the same for either job, and the company didn't break down the number of hours worked in the store and delivering pizzas.
Well you NEVER reported it until NOW Ytown. Or do you somehow think that dawgtalkers.net is invisible to the eyes of BIG BROTHER. Tomorrow this thread will be in Google's database via their web crawlers.
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LOL I should be more careful, huh?
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You're fine. You didn't say tea party in the thread so the IRS bots probably won't pick up this thread up at all.
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It can be very boring to be at home all the time if you are retired and a lot of people need a sense of purpose rather than sitting around.
You're a painter? Thought you were a college student!
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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except you haven't proved me wrong on any points.
since its relative, anyway.
which yet again, you didn't answer the question: if seniors want to work and feel young and blah blah blah, why retire in the first place?
Possibly to get away from the 8-5 every day grind. Or the 7-3 every day grind. Retire to have more time to do what they want.......work part time to bring in a little spending money, get them out of the house.......give them something to do so they don't get old.
so they leave a job with good pay and benefits of which the requirements are either multiple years of experience and/or a degree, and instead take the jobs that teenagers need to have multiple years of work experience for future other jobs to pay for degrees.
makes sense.
my problem with that situation isn't the fact that they are working at McDonalds, it's that they aren't taking these Assistant Manager or Manager positions. i would hope they would take those. instead, they are taking the cashier/burger flipper/floor mopper jobs.
Why would someone retire from a good paying job with benefits? Hmm, many reasons. Some are forced out as they reach retirement and replaced by a lower paid less experienced person and the cycle repeats. Others just want to cut back and enjoy life a little.
You must be real young if you can't understand why someone would retire from a full time career and then pick up part time work. Not everyone retires to jet-setting and golf, many just retire and either sit around the house or take up hobbies, volunteering or part time jobs to consume the excess of free time. For many who spent 45 years working 40-50 hrs a week, the sudden free time is hard to adjust to.
Now I will say I don't see many retirees at fast food joints down here, which this would be a prime area for it if it were the norm. They mostly are cashiers and baggers at the grocery store, walmart, work at goodwill and a lot take up the jobs at the gate houses to communities here.
As for the younger generation being lazy, poor workers. That obviously is not all of them, but sadly, those are the ones that seem to get noticed most. But I know I have made a point of telling a younger worker when the service they gave me was better than anticipated. Also sadly, I have been to many a store, restaurant where the young person doesn't even say hello, just has a blank look on their face and does their job, often at a snails pace, but I try to be patient as not everyone can be on their "A" game all the time. You never know what they have going on in their life.
I have also been assisted by old grumpy people. Grumpy and lazy are not traits owned by any one group exclusively.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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BTW, my comment about older workers wasn't simply meant to be funny. I feel bad for any poster under the age of 30 reading this board. Everywhere I look I see older posters putting down the younger generation in total. Nothing but a spoiled "entitlement" generation with no work ethic, right guys? I heard from a younger poster recently via PM about this very thing. The ageism on this board is unbelievable.
I'm only 31 and said it's about people feeling entitled to more than what they deserve. I'm not just talking about younger people, it's everyone. There is way too much of this happening and it isn't specific to a certain age group. For some reason, a ton of people think they should have more than what they earn. Whether that's a 15-year old or 50-year old. Nobody is entitled to anything more than what they earn.
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BTW, my comment about older workers wasn't simply meant to be funny. I feel bad for any poster under the age of 30 reading this board. Everywhere I look I see older posters putting down the younger generation in total. Nothing but a spoiled "entitlement" generation with no work ethic, right guys? I heard from a younger poster recently via PM about this very thing. The ageism on this board is unbelievable.
To be fair though, this is nothing new to this generation, my great grandfather said it his kids generation, my grandfather then said it about his, my father said it about mine... Every generation believes they were more responsible and had a greater work ethic and overcame more struggles than the next generation..... and someday, you will have a bit of that sentiment as well....
I work with a lot of great young people and don't mind admitting it...
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BTW, my comment about older workers wasn't simply meant to be funny. I feel bad for any poster under the age of 30 reading this board. Everywhere I look I see older posters putting down the younger generation in total. Nothing but a spoiled "entitlement" generation with no work ethic, right guys? I heard from a younger poster recently via PM about this very thing. The ageism on this board is unbelievable.
To be fair though, this is nothing new to this generation, my great grandfather said it his kids generation, my grandfather then said it about his, my father said it about mine... Every generation believes they were more responsible and had a greater work ethic and overcame more struggles than the next generation..... and someday, you will have a bit of that sentiment as well....
I work with a lot of great young people and don't mind admitting it...
I know, we've all heard that from every generation. It's true to an extent, based on technological advancements that make doing jobs easier. A librarian these days is completely different from a librarian 20 or 30 years ago, for example. Same job, but less actual work needs done now than back then. It's that way with a lot of positions, I just threw that one out as an example.
Personally, I just don't like the idea of people wanting more for less. If a hamburger flipper made $8.00 yesterday, but wants $15 for it today, that's dumb and a perfect display of entitlement.
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I know, we've all heard that from every generation. It's true to an extent, based on technological advancements that make doing jobs easier. A librarian these days is completely different from a librarian 20 or 30 years ago, for example. Same job, but less actual work needs done now than back then. It's that way with a lot of positions, I just threw that one out as an example.
It is kind of funny how previous generations made things like the microwave, the bigger television with remote control, the computer, the gas powered weed whacker, and a whole host of things designed to make life easier... then they whine that future generations have things too easy because they actually use them....
I do agree that there seems to be more and more people who want "something for nothing" in the form of some government hand out... and I agree that it sucks.
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I know, we've all heard that from every generation. It's true to an extent, based on technological advancements that make doing jobs easier. A librarian these days is completely different from a librarian 20 or 30 years ago, for example. Same job, but less actual work needs done now than back then. It's that way with a lot of positions, I just threw that one out as an example.
It is kind of funny how previous generations made things like the microwave, the bigger television with remote control, the computer, the gas powered weed whacker, and a whole host of things designed to make life easier... then they whine that future generations have things too easy because they actually use them....
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Very good point.
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I know, we've all heard that from every generation. It's true to an extent, based on technological advancements that make doing jobs easier. A librarian these days is completely different from a librarian 20 or 30 years ago, for example. Same job, but less actual work needs done now than back then. It's that way with a lot of positions, I just threw that one out as an example.
It is kind of funny how previous generations made things like the microwave, the bigger television with remote control, the computer, the gas powered weed whacker, and a whole host of things designed to make life easier... then they whine that future generations have things too easy because they actually use them....
I do agree that there seems to be more and more people who want "something for nothing" in the form of some government hand out... and I agree that it sucks.
The same generation also designed more government hand outs to make life easier
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Pretty much every generation since the turn of the century has continued to add more government to make things easier... that's how you buy... I mean win elections....
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ya it's those stupid millenials! I was born in 1984 so am I gen X or millenial? I go with millenial because I'm the oldest of 4 kids and the rest were born between 88 and 92 so I figure just throw the whole litter in there...
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Aristophanes' The Clouds
There is a great tendency among the children of today to rebel against restraint, not only that placed upon them by the will of the parent. But against any restraint or limitation of what they consider their rights ... this fact has filled well minded people with great apprehensions for the future.
Rev. Henry Hussmann,
The authority of parents
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The big thing I see as having changed in my life as far as "entitlement" is the litigation expectation. When I was young, my grandfather slipped on a puddle from vegetable misters in the grocery store. He was very happy to get $7,500 to help with medical bills. Now you spillÇaoffee and expect millions. I know people that were ecstatic that they were rear ended at a traffic light.
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People pay for making life easier. I do.
I don't like cutting grass and weed eating, so I don't. I pay a crew of Hispanics to do it for me.
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