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Chudzinski also gave Chris Ogbonnaya the nod as the team’s No. 1 fullback.
With Dion Lewis (fractured fibula) expected to be out for the season and Montario Hardesty (arthroscopic knee surgery) set to miss the beginning of the regular season, Ogbonnaya will also play some tailback to spell starter Trent Richardson.
“From a fullback standpoint, a tailback standpoint, we put Chris on the depth chart as a first teamer,” Chudzinski said. “I think he’s a role player that is a first teamer in many situations.”
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Guess he doesnt have to worry he is no fullback
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Good for him. Hope to see him in the Pro Bowl (well, not that I'd watch the Pro Bowl ever).
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Chudzinski also gave Chris Ogbonnaya the nod as the team’s No. 1 fullback.
With Dion Lewis (fractured fibula) expected to be out for the season and Montario Hardesty (arthroscopic knee surgery) set to miss the beginning of the regular season, Ogbonnaya will also play some tailback to spell starter Trent Richardson.
“From a fullback standpoint, a tailback standpoint, we put Chris on the depth chart as a first teamer,” Chudzinski said. “I think he’s a role player that is a first teamer in many situations.”
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I would expect Marecic to be cut. Teams don't usually carry two fullbacks.
Especially when the 2nd FB can't do anything very well.
Man I hated the Marecic pick from the second his name was announced, and it hasn't improved one bit since as far as I'm concerned. People kept telling me how wonderful he was, and how he could do everything .... run, catch, and block ..... and even play some LB if we needed ..... .
I would almost be content to see him run, catch, OR block at this point. He's really done nothing well in Cleveland.
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Exactly the same feelings.thoughts. Everything that people told me about him was false and opposite from what I saw on the field.
Oby blocked pretty good when I saw him in there at FB. It's an added dimension given he can run, catch, pass protect and run block. Good for Oby to find such an important and versatile role in this offense.
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Guess he doesnt have to worry he is no fullback
Daaaang.... harsh much?
But..... 
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Ive been saying that for like a year!
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Man I hated the Marecic pick from the second his name was announced, and it hasn't improved one bit since as far as I'm concerned. People kept telling me how wonderful he was, and how he could do everything .... run, catch, and block ..... and even play some LB if we needed ..... .
Who?
He has been the most-reviled Brown since... I can't remember when. A lot of people didn't like Braylon, but at least some people did. I can't remember much support for Marecic, pretty much ever.
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When Marecic was drafted, people gushed over how he was smart and how being a two-way player at Stanford meant that he was tough.
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The day if the draft I lambasted the pick, and people kept telling me that he was a good pick, and that I would learn to love the kid because if the way he plays the game. There were numerous people telling me that he was a great pick, even as a FB taken in the 4th. (which I hated to start with)
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Ogb...has played excellent FB...we might have to keep Marecic until Hardesty comes back. A lot depends on the kid Maysonnet. If he is able to fill Lewis shoes. We might pick up an RB who will get cut...all if done Marecic would go.
But a lot of his fate would be if he becomes a ST extraordinaire...as of yet that has not happened.
Yeah I had high expectations as we did draft a position normally reserved for 6th, 7th or UDFA...I was thinking MAN O MAN this kid will be great. What a let down. Heck even Shurmur benched him early year two.
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yeah I just don't remember that. Wish I could look it up  [prp]
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The day if the draft I lambasted the pick, and people kept telling me that he was a good pick, and that I would learn to love the kid because if the way he plays the game. There were numerous people telling me that he was a great pick, even as a FB taken in the 4th. (which I hated to start with)
I was peeved big time because we got rid of Vickers for this kid. People can be all "well, where's Vickers now?" all they want.... he was still 10 times the player that Marecic ever was. The entire exercise was a complete waste.
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Man I hated the Marecic pick from the second his name was announced, and it hasn't improved one bit since as far as I'm concerned. People kept telling me how wonderful he was, and how he could do everything .... run, catch, and block ..... and even play some LB if we needed ..... .
Who?
He has been the most-reviled Brown since... I can't remember when. A lot of people didn't like Braylon, but at least some people did. I can't remember much support for Marecic, pretty much ever.
A lot of us tend to sell ourselves on things in order to stay sane.
There was a huge outcry when we hadn't signed Vickers, and drafting Marecic was the final bell there, so many were angry. But the optimists kept pointing out our shift to the WCO, citing Marecic's ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.
That never materialized, and only the true diehard homers were in his corner (even then pretty half-heartedly).
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Good for Ogbonnaya, he definitely earned it. He's one of those guys who seems like he'd do anything for the team. I like him and am glad to see him earn his recognition as a starter. It's well deserved.
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Good for Ogbonnaya, he definitely earned it. He's one of those guys who seems like he'd do anything for the team. I like him and am glad to see him earn his recognition as a starter. It's well deserved.
Above all, I'm completely loving the versatility in having Obi and Trent in there together all the time. If done right, and I think Norv is the guy to do that, this is going to make defensive coordinators sick to their stomachs because this is potentially a disgusting 1-2 Combo that can give you a different look on every play.
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versatility is the word that comes to my mind as well. defenses will need to account for him because of his athleticism out of the backfield. If he can block effectively this could be a great move.
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Man I hated the Marecic pick from the second his name was announced, and it hasn't improved one bit since as far as I'm concerned. People kept telling me how wonderful he was, and how he could do everything .... run, catch, and block ..... and even play some LB if we needed ..... .
j/c
there is no way that everyone all of a sudden hated OM back then. I got into heated discussions with people because they said he was going to be a beast. blah blah blah Everyone was talking about how he was going to be a pro bowler etc. He could even play st and backup LB.
I call bull on people having selective memory.
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The only thing I remember was Jim Harbaugh raving about him right after the draft. He was saying he'd be the steal for us and everyone would instantly fall in love with him. Not so much.
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would be nice if we could search the draft forum instead of relying on people's memory. [prp]
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I'd be game.
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There were numerous people telling me that he was a great pick, even as a FB taken in the 4th
How much do you want to bet I wasn't one of them? 
Fullback is pretty much a useless position in my book...at least the way they seem to be played since the days Jim Brown was a Fullback.
Obie isn't a fullback. He is a 2nd running back. Was Byner the FB or was Mack....either way, I approve of that as well.
I have no problem lining up a back who is primairly a lead blocker, but they need to run and catch when asked. Screw a stone handed Vickers back there. If the guy can't do anything but block, he leads defenders to the ball.
If you are going to do that, put a real blocker back there and groom some guard to be the lead blocker...or...Phil Taylor would make a pretty decent fullback on the goal line.
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Why haven't you talked about this before?
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I would expect Marecic to be cut. Teams don't usually carry two fullbacks.
Guess he doesnt have to worry he is no fullback
Daaaang.... harsh much?
But.....
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IF fullback is such a useless position, why to ALL the leading RBs int the league have them???
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Why haven't you talked about this before?
LOL.
God as my witness, I was talking about scrapping the FB and playing a OL or DL player at FB a few seasons before Ditka played Perry in the position.
I know you don't know me or know if what I say is true, but I was and did.
Why play a half ass when you can play a full player?
Fullbacks like Vickers, who many loved, are half assed players. They are half as good at blocking and half as good at being a offensive weapon.
You want a blocker, put a real blocker in there. You want a weapon, put in a real weapon.
As always....JMO
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O M G !!! You knew I was a sucker for wordplay, didn't you? Marecic in a nutshell. 
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The day if the draft I lambasted the pick, and people kept telling me that he was a good pick, and that I would learn to love the kid because if the way he plays the game. There were numerous people telling me that he was a great pick, even as a FB taken in the 4th. (which I hated to start with)
I was peeved big time because we got rid of Vickers for this kid. People can be all "well, where's Vickers now?" all they want.... he was still 10 times the player that Marecic ever was. The entire exercise was a complete waste.
Those would be my exact thoughts as well.
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I'll stand up and be counted as a Marecic guy. I loved the pick when we did it, and still don't hold anything against the guy. A fourth rounder who is, apparently to the coaching staff, still contributing, and not costing a whole lot against the cap, and isn't an off the field issue is fine in my book.
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I also liked Marecic when we drafted him. He was known as a hard worker and a good blocker for Toby Gerhary and Stepfan Taylor. I still don't think he is as bad as everyone says he is, I just don't think he is what he was advertised to be -- a upgrade over Vickers.
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The day if the draft I lambasted the pick, and people kept telling me that he was a good pick, and that I would learn to love the kid because if the way he plays the game. There were numerous people telling me that he was a great pick, even as a FB taken in the 4th. (which I hated to start with)
I was peeved big time because we got rid of Vickers for this kid. People can be all "well, where's Vickers now?" all they want.... he was still 10 times the player that Marecic ever was. The entire exercise was a complete waste.
Those would be my exact thoughts as well.
Count me in on those sentiments.
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Why haven't you talked about this before?
LOL.
God as my witness, I was talking about scrapping the FB and playing a OL or DL player at FB a few seasons before Ditka played Perry in the position.
I know you don't know me or know if what I say is true, but I was and did.
Why play a half ass when you can play a full player?
Fullbacks like Vickers, who many loved, are half assed players. They are half as good at blocking and half as good at being a offensive weapon.
You want a blocker, put a real blocker in there. You want a weapon, put in a real weapon.
As always....JMO
How often did Ditka stick The Fridge at fullback outside the goal line area?
Why do you think he didn't have him in there at, say, midfield?
I know you love to stick to this argument because it garners so much flak, but c'mon, man...you don't really believe it, do you? I'll concede that the position is becoming more and more obsolete, but do you honestly believe that a guard is capable of hitting the hole a step ahead of Trent Richardson without impeding him?
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I know you love to stick to this argument because it garners so much flak, but c'mon, man...you don't really believe it, do you? I'll concede that the position is becoming more and more obsolete, but do you honestly believe that a guard is capable of hitting the hole a step ahead of Trent Richardson without impeding him?
Yes, I do believe it, and no, I don't think you could play a guard there all the time for the reason you mention.
That's why I want one back or play with two backs. I mean a real back. Someone else who can run and catch.
Actually, this set-up with Obie in the backfield with Trent might be pretty good. Now we have a guy who has shown he can run the ball in and out, and catch the ball.
Somewhere along the line fullbacks have turned in to chunks of meat that pretty much block, and that isn't good enough for me. As I say, if that is what you want, just put in a spare lineman.
As I see it, you play 5 linemen, so that leaves you 6 playmaker positions. I don't see the value in using one of them to play a person who can't attack a defense or isn't a real blocker...use one or the other.
It's like when I mentioned Mack and Byner earlier. Sure, if Mack is your fullback, I am all for it. Don't play some guy who leads the D to the ball every time and they don't have to really account for as a weapon.
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Chudzinski also gave Chris Ogbonnaya the nod as the team’s No. 1 fullback.
With Dion Lewis (fractured fibula) expected to be out for the season and Montario Hardesty (arthroscopic knee surgery) set to miss the beginning of the regular season, Ogbonnaya will also play some tailback to spell starter Trent Richardson.
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Everything I read on Marecic when we drafted him sounded like an interesting pick. Cerebral, athletic etc etc... So I didn't' think it was a bad or horrible pick. I probably defended it at the time.
As of now, I think his fate is sealed.. Maybe Harbaugh will pick him up in San Fran. we'll see, he was high on the kid coming out of college.
Too bad really, nice kid, no trouble, but if you can't do the job, you got to go.
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In response to the OP, good job by Ogbonnaya. He has always seems to be productive on the field.
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It's like when I mentioned Mack and Byner earlier. Sure, if Mack is your fullback, I am all for it. Don't play some guy who leads the D to the ball every time and they don't have to really account for as a weapon.
That argument I can understand.
I can't get behind 'put a guard back there', but I think I get the gist of your point.
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