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So, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun... is a good guy with a gun?....WRONG!!! It's not the only way. http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77097356/
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Nope. Stopping a bad guy with a gun - by using a gun, is not the only way to stop the bad guy.
It's effective if used properly. And, it's a last resort kind of thing.
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I think the more logical approach is to absolutely refuse to have any kind of discussion on guns. None. At all. That is the best way to do it.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Nope. Stopping a bad guy with a gun - by using a gun, is not the only way to stop the bad guy.
It's effective if used properly. And, it's a last resort kind of thing.
According to the leaders and followers of the NRA, it's the only way. It has now been proven, the NRA and their followers are wrong! Wow ...what a shock aye?
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I think the more logical approach is to absolutely refuse to have any kind of discussion on guns. None. At all. That is the best way to do it.
Yeah, let's stick are collective heads in the sand, good one. 
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Yeah, didn't really think I needed the purple there, but apparently I did.
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You, sir, are gullible.
So, this isn't true? This didn't happen? It's a goverment plot! ...LMAO Who's gullible?
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I'm talking about BFS79's statement.
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According to the leaders and followers of the NRA, it's the only way. It has now been proven, the NRA and their followers are wrong! Wow ...what a shock aye?
Every self defense situation is unique. Not all killers are severely depressed suicidal individuals that will respond to verbal intervention. How do you know someone didn't try this type of verbal de-escalation with the Va. Tech or Columbine killers? They might have gotten shot before uttering a word. Using this event as evidence for gun control is laughable.
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So, the point of this thread is to disprove an NRA argument? Bravo. You win. May I assume, though, that you are not also making a policy recommendation?
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI. Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out. 
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According to the leaders and followers of the NRA, it's the only way. It has now been proven, the NRA and their followers are wrong! Wow ...what a shock aye?
Every self defense situation is unique. Not all killers are severely depressed suicidal individuals that will respond to verbal intervention. How do you know someone didn't try this type of verbal de-escalation with the Va. Tech or Columbine killers? They might have gotten shot before uttering a word. Using this event as evidence for gun control is laughable.
How do you know they did? They might have? Should have, could have, maybe?
You are now making things up. That's what's laughable. But I know the NRA and the delusional gun fanatics think much the same way as you do.
No one here has mentioned gun control but you. 
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I saw the report this morning and heard bits and pieces of the 911 call. Pretty amazing and pretty darn lucky outcome,, Could have been a ton worse..
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Could I get a definition of this group you are pigeonholing please?
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI.
Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out.
Yes I know, proving once again, there is more then one way to stop a bad guy with a gun. While the NRA and delusional fanatics continue to say otherwise.
Nothing is as effective as God's gift of love for humanity.
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Could I get a definition of this group you are pigeonholing please?
Their is a group that actually believe the govt is coming to pry their guns from their cold dead hands. Or so I've heard.
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I saw the report this morning and heard bits and pieces of the 911 call. Pretty amazing and pretty darn lucky outcome,, Could have been a ton worse..
Yup.... It's pretty damn lucky that there was a true hero to stop any and all bloodshed, agreed.
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If somebody threatens a bunch of schoolchildren and ends up dead, I see that as a positive outcome.
Someone who poses a danger to a bunch of kids and walks away still sucking air, IMO that is a bad thing.
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI.
Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out.
Yes I know, proving once again, there is more then one way to stop a bad guy with a gun. While the NRA and delusional fanatics continue to say otherwise.
Nothing is as effective as God's gift of love for humanity.
Let me ask you, then, what do you think of Kimberly Munley or Mark Todd?
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If somebody threatens a bunch of schoolchildren and ends up dead, I see that as a positive outcome.
Someone who poses a danger to a bunch of kids and walks away still sucking air, IMO that is a bad thing.
Everyone has an opinion. It's a positive outcome that there was no bloodshed. IMO that's a good thing.
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI.
Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out.
Yes I know, proving once again, there is more then one way to stop a bad guy with a gun. While the NRA and delusional fanatics continue to say otherwise.
Nothing is as effective as God's gift of love for humanity.
Let me ask you, then, what do you think of Kimberly Munley or Mark Todd?
They are heros, cops doing their job during a horrific bloodbath.
Antoinette Todd, is a bookeeper that stopped a bloodbath from happening, going above and beyond her duties to prevent bloodshed, and has been given little to no respect by the dawg talkers here in this thread.
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Antoinette Todd, is a bookeeper that stopped a bloodbath from happening, going above and beyond her duties to prevent bloodshed, and has been given little to no respect by the dawg talkers here in this thread.
So thats what you were doing ? Trying to get some respect for Antoinette Todd ? Here I thought that you were just trying to stir up an argument with gun supporters so you could tell us all again how you felt about the NRA and firearms in general.
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Essentially she was lucky he didn't just come in shooting, which is the typical method, most don't come in to those situations, stand there making threats, and waiting for someone to talk them down.
Obviously this guy had some conscience and was open to someone talking to him.
But if you want to believe that most of these scenarios start with the shooter standing there waiting for someone to talk them out of it, you go right ahead and approach them and see how that works out for you.
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Antoinette Todd, is a bookeeper that stopped a bloodbath from happening, going above and beyond her duties to prevent bloodshed, and has been given little to no respect by the dawg talkers here in this thread.
That's rich Where is anyone not respecting her? She did a great thing, no need to bring your gun control beliefs into it to stir the pot.
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI.
Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out.
Yes I know, proving once again, there is more then one way to stop a bad guy with a gun. While the NRA and delusional fanatics continue to say otherwise.
Nothing is as effective as God's gift of love for humanity.
Let me ask you, then, what do you think of Kimberly Munley or Mark Todd?
They are heros, cops doing their job during a horrific bloodbath.
Antoinette Todd, is a bookeeper that stopped a bloodbath from happening, going above and beyond her duties to prevent bloodshed, and has been given little to no respect by the dawg talkers here in this thread.
I wouldn't call them "cops" per se.
Which posters on this thread have shown little to no respect?
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That's rich Where is anyone not respecting her? She did a great thing, no need to bring your gun control beliefs into it to stir the pot.
You are the first "dawg talker" here to say that she did a great job, only after I mentioned the fact she wasn' getting the respect here. But nice back stepping.
Also you are the second to bring up the gun control issue. Which I never mentioned at all.
Just respect the hero that stopped this bloodbath. Be thankful that there are people out there that know there are other ways to stop a bad guy with a gun.
Nah, can't expect that in here....Nevermind.
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A similar situation happened a few years ago in another school. FYI.
Equally effective would have been if she blew the guys brains out.
Yes I know, proving once again, there is more then one way to stop a bad guy with a gun. While the NRA and delusional fanatics continue to say otherwise.
Nothing is as effective as God's gift of love for humanity.
Let me ask you, then, what do you think of Kimberly Munley or Mark Todd?
They are heros, cops doing their job during a horrific bloodbath.
Antoinette Todd, is a bookeeper that stopped a bloodbath from happening, going above and beyond her duties to prevent bloodshed, and has been given little to no respect by the dawg talkers here in this thread.
I wouldn't call them "cops" per se.
Which posters on this thread have shown little to no respect?
Are you kidding me! Mark and Kimberly are civilian base police officers. Yes cops...Per se.
Which posters here have shown any respect?
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You are the first "dawg talker" here to say that she did a great job, only after I mentioned the fact she wasn' getting the respect here. But nice back stepping.
You started this thread saying how a good guy with a gun is NOT the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, an obvious attempt to make this thread a gun debate thread, yet you're complaining that no one is giving her respect. For future reference, if you want a thread to be about the accomplishment of a person, start the thread that way, don't get your anti-gun agenda in, then expect everyone else to ignore it and only comment about what a great job the person did.
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If this wasn't about gun control, that you claim you "never brought up" the last sentence here wouldn't be needed. You're baiting people into a gun debate, then complaining that we're having a gun debate. In the words of Cris Carter, Come on man.
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Baited LOL. You and a few others just took it that way.
A hero stopped a bad guy with a gun, using love and compassion, instead of a gun. Proving that the NRA official statement and stance on that very issue isn't true. That's it.
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Ahh, fair enough about the two of them. I had recollected that they were part of the security forces at the base, but discussing that is really splitting hairs at this point. Be honest, though, did you have to look up who they were?
To answer your question directly, I think everyone on this thread respects this woman. For someone to show no respect inherently means to disrespect. I don't think there's one rational person on this board who disrespects this woman.
I'll be completely honest with you, and I intend no disrespect whatsoever. I think this thread exemplifies a lot of the problems many posters on this board may have with you, or perhaps just your delivery.
You tend to take polarizing stances, which is totally fine, but rather than doing so in an attempt to have a logical, constructive debate, you place your stance upon a pedestal and berate those who may disagree with you. It really doesn't help your cause, either. It made you look bad after BFS79's statement on this thread, and it made you look bad before on the "Pope" thread.
I think taking a "competitive" tone on topics like these really only hurts the point you're underscoring...unless your point is to be competitive, which it may be for all I know.
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Baited LOL. You and a few others just took it that way.
A hero stopped a bad guy with a gun, using love and compassion, instead of a gun. Proving that the NRA official statement and stance on that very issue isn't true. That's it.
Anyone who is being honest should admit you are correct about this. There are indeed other possible ways to stop a person with a gun who intends to use it to do harm, as this incident proves.
Now it's time to prove your honesty and forthrightness. If you knew you were going to be in a situation like this tomorrow, would you prefer to have a gun of your own, or would you instead rely solely on the power of empathy?
I know it will be hard to answer this question given that others in this thread who attack you would probably not be able to raise themselves to this level of intellectual honesty, and they might even see it as a concession on your part, but I believe you can do it.
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So, this isn't true? This didn't happen? It's a goverment plot! ...LMAO Who's gullible?
I'm with Top here, this is going to be good. The ironic part is that any time a gun owner posts an article about somebody who successfully defended themselves with a gun, the gun control crowd says that it's rare, that its almost irrelevant because it doesn't happen very often, etc... so you post one example of this and think it means some kind of a trend... 
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Baited LOL. You and a few others just took it that way.
A hero stopped a bad guy with a gun, using love and compassion, instead of a gun. Proving that the NRA official statement and stance on that very issue isn't true. That's it.
Anyone who is being honest should admit you are correct about this. There are indeed other possible ways to stop a person with a gun who intends to use it to do harm, as this incident proves.
Now it's time to prove your honesty and forthrightness. If you knew you were going to be in a situation like this tomorrow, would you prefer to have a gun of your own, or would you instead rely solely on the power of empathy?
I know it will be hard to answer this question given that others in this thread who attack you would probably not be able to raise themselves to this level of intellectual honesty, and they might even see it as a concession on your part, but I believe you can do it.
Why is it my time to prove anything to anyone here? Some of the dawg talker force is dark with hate and against me for calling their beloved NRA out as wrong about their offcial statements, while I praised the heroric actions of a school bookkeeper for avoiding a bloodbath with love and compassion.
I'll answer your q£estion anyway.
No, I wouldn't prefer to have a gun in a school. No way. i w¿uldn't want my firarm to fall into the wrong hands during a incident. I would rely on my negotation tactics to difuse the situation the best I could, just like this bookeeper did. It has worked. It's a proven tactic.
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Still holding your grudge I see. The force is strong with you.
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Your "negotiation tactics"?? That works on the few people that have a gun, but are unsure of if they want to use it.
Negotiation tactics with a killer? Good luck with that.
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