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Instead of just being a man and toeing the company line, he has to throw out every cry baby line and excuse in the book.
A good example of what I said a couple of weeks ago when I commented that he talks too much. He talks too much and some of his comments are out of whack and sound stupid...
"I think the worst part is, you go out in public and people want to shake your hand,'' he said. "That's probably the most painful thing." Really, that's the worst part?
He has been that way from Day 1 here...he really needs to talk less...a lot less. Not to mention that he tries to talk as if he's an experienced player who has accomplished something in the league. It's very annoying.
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It amazes me how many people love Weeden on this board. 
The guy is a loser. The sooner he is gone, the better.
I think I was one of about 3-4 people that were beyond livid on this board when we drafted Weeden. I personally wanted to go beat up the FO or puke. He had so many negatives against him that had nothing to do with his age that it wasn't even funny.
I believe that Weeden has actually gotten worse from last year to this year His accuracy is sub par, he looks more like a deer in headlights, he has very poor live football game understanding, he leaves his WR's out to dry and he gets sacked from holding on to the ball forever. His footwork has improved and that was just about the only thing I saw that improved.
I've gotten into signature bets with people that think Weeden is the next best thing. He was a bum, he is a bum and he will always be a bum. and he won't be starting next year.
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I don't think he's our qb, but outside of maybe the "don't get hurt crack", I don't see where he was out of line or whining with his comments. Some serious hate going on here.
As I was reading the thread, I was waiting to see who might be first to say what I was thinking.
That said, I just finished reading the TRich interview before coming here.... and I have to say, I think the absolute worst part of the job must be interviews for some of these guys. They are potential minefields.... especially like the ones we're talking about. We all know them, we've all heard them: within 3 questions, you can already smell the interviewer's agenda, and just know where this piece is heading. There's almost no personal/professional upside to being part of an interview like this.
Let's face it- there's a "company line" for a reason... and it ain't just because players have to be good soldiers. I think many, many players actually embrace the "company line," because it's the smartest, safest, and easiest way to get through one of these agendafests.
When Trent said he was hurt by the FO's decision and the way they handled it, he sounded honest, to me. I know I would feel hurt, too- nobody likes rejection. And Brandon sounded the same way to me in his answers.
It's an issue that I'm glad I don't have to grapple with in my job. I've been interviewed a handful of times, and they've all been the same: the interviewer is always "on your side," and nobody's trying to "make news" for themselves based on the things you've said. Pretty benign stuff, compared to the kinds of questions these guys get asked. Even so- I never forget to stay close to "company line"... because I'm still a representative of the organization that pays me. I never ever allow myself to forget that. To me, an interview is another type of performance, and you always 'put your best foot forward' when you're out in public. It's an extension of the way My Parents raised me (Pops was a local 'public figure').
I can't imagine what it would be like to have a microphone shoved in my face after a performance, and and asked:
[Interviewer]: "Clemmy, tell us- how did you feel when you miscounted those 30 bars of rest, and came in a bar too early? All by yourself?"
[Clemmy]: "Uh...... I guess I felt like the world's most unwelcome soloist-"
[Int]: "So... after that major blunder, how did you get your head back in the game, and play such a focused second half?"
[C]: "Well.... I just had this mental picture of me, sitting on Jefferson & 17th, with an open cello case filled with nickels and a couple of 'ones'... it was 42 degrees out-"
[Int]: "Let's switch gears a little. Your team was just asked to take a paycut in the last contract negotiations. What were you feeling, while those talks were ongoing?"
[Clemmy] "Uh-"
[Insert personal dilemma here]
Do I drop the filter, and say- honestly- what I felt?
Do I "punt".... and take the "all hands pulling together" company line?
Do I try to 'play the minefield,' and give them a little of both? That can be a very dicey game.
You see my point by now, I'm sure.
Sometimes the tone of these interviews are being set by the way the questions are framed... and I kind of hate to see the players put in those types of situations. In a way, it seems rather mean and cynical- in that the player gets used so the writer/interviewer can get a career boost. It's just got a scent of 'sleaze' to it, as far as I'm concerned.
I try to take these interviews for what they are, and not give them too much importance in the way I judge the players. People are more layered and complex than the 2-dimensional portraits of them we get to see on TV.
I've only walked a few yards in their shoes, and they've been pretty easy yards. A mile? With these kinds of interviews all the time? Think I'll pass.
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With all due respect, Clem...let me submit this scenario:
Reporter: A few notes were off tonight...was that your fault? Or the guy next to you? Or the conductor?
Clem: The conductor. He didn't conduct well. He screwed us all up.
That's Weeden. Since he got here. If it wasn't the conductor, it was the guy to the left of him, or the right of him, but it was never Weeden.
Never. Weeden's. Fault.
You make your judgments from there.
But the kid is timid and his NFL career is close to ending.
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Instead of just being a man and toeing the company line, he has to throw out every cry baby line and excuse in the book.
A good example of what I said a couple of weeks ago when I commented that he talks too much. He talks too much and some of his comments are out of whack and sound stupid...
"I think the worst part is, you go out in public and people want to shake your hand,'' he said. "That's probably the most painful thing." Really, that's the worst part?
He has been that way from Day 1 here...he really needs to talk less...a lot less. Not to mention that he tries to talk as if he's an experienced player who has accomplished something in the league. It's very annoying.
+ 1, extremely annoying. If he cares about this team's success, he should be happy he's on the sideline. We actually get first downs when he's not playing. We get sacked less. We get the ball out quicker. Hell, we even WIN when he's not playing.
I agree, shut your stupid mouth with your cry baby comments Weeden and prepare yourself for the next step in your career, and that is maybe Payless Shoe Source of Macy's or somewhere other than here. A bust and dud QB you are. 
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I don't believe there is any "love for Weeden".
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So I believe what most are trying to convey is that Hoyer isn't as great or accurate as some media and fans claim he is.
Who is saying that Hoyer played great? I sure as heck am not. I have said that two of the picks were all on him and that he seemed to lose some confidence after the picks. I have also said that the qb of the future is not on this roster.
I will say that Hoyer looked way better in that game than Weeden has. I don't think we win that game if Weeden was the qb. Thinking that Hoyer isn't as putrid as Weeden is not the same as thinking Hoyer is great.
And did you read the article? Seriously man, is that how you want your franchise qb to come across? Really?
What about the way he looked on the sideline? What was up w/that? He looks--and sounds---like a loser.
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I don't get all the Hoyer bashing. He's a 3rd stringer that stepped up and won a game. He made it VERY fun to watch. What I (and many others) would like to see is more of that FUN TO WATCH football. Period.
I have not seen any post declaring Hoyer the second coming.
As for Weeden, I hope he gets another shot, but not until Hoyer goes down or stinks it up BAD. Let the QB that gives us the best chance to win play. I want to win, even if it's only a few games, I still want to win.
If Hoyer goes out and KILLS it every Sunday for the rest of the year, then we can have the go with Hoyer vs. Draft a new QB debate.
Heck who knows, sitting for a few games of good ball might be exactly what Weeden needs to turn it around.
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Yes I did read it and am simply not sure what everyone sees that's so bad in the interview.
And I also don't see people making excuses for Weeden's play.
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What he should have learned from the sideline: That he just plain SUCKS and will never start another game even in the CFL. He will go down as one of the worst draft picks our Browns have ever made...and that's saying something. The game is just WAY to fast for him.
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I wouldn't use the exact wording you did, but I do agree with your overall thought process. 
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Yes I did read it and am simply not sure what everyone sees that's so bad in the interview.
When he was asked what he learned from the sidelines maybe he could have actually said something positive about what you see from there as opposed to being pressured on the field. Did he, in fact, spend any of that sideline time trying to learn anything that could help him be a better QB for the team? Or did he simply stand there thinking, "It sucks to be hurt"?
"The worst part is when people want to shake your hand". So that's the worst part of having an injured hand and can't play for your team? When you go to a movie and people want to shake your hand and you can't do it, that's the worst part?
Very telling what's on his mind and it ain't football.
He reminds me of too many people I've known over the years who talk too much and subsequently, unavoidably say stupid things. I want my QB to be smarter than that.
I'd like to hear him answer football questions from a football standpoint and less from an attempt to be cute.
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I just feel the things people are pointing out are very nit pick and really don't amount to much. I'd say we could pick a part many interviews line by line and "hope" someone may have answered the questions differently, but I'm still not seeing anything worthy of so much grief and critique.
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It's only because he does it all the time. Every interview. He's asked a question, he begins to answer it and then elaborates ad nausium until he says dumb things. His interview about his off season workouts come to mind. You could tell by the detail he was giving that he was trying to convince himself that he learned something.
I don't hate Weeden. I don't like his play but don't hate him either. What I do hate about him is talks too much until he sounds stupid. He comes across to me as one who doesn't have any depth of understanding of where he's at, what he's suppose to be doing or how critically important it is to treat each game with an urgency to succeed.
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It's only because he does it all the time. Every interview. He's asked a question, he begins to answer it and then elaborates ad nausium until he says dumb things. His interview about his off season workouts come to mind. You could tell by the detail he was giving that he was trying to convince himself that he learned something.
I don't hate Weeden. I don't like his play but don't hate him either. What I do hate about him is talks too much until he sounds stupid. He comes across to me as one who doesn't have any depth of understanding of where he's at, what he's suppose to be doing or how critically important it is to treat each game with an urgency to succeed.
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It amazes me how many people love Weeden on this board.
It would have been nice if Weeden learned the value of throwing the ball on time and accurately. Of course, those things do not matter. 
He talks about how Gordon and the other guys making Hoyer look good. Why didn't Weeden look good last year?
The guy is a loser. The sooner he is gone, the better.
Hoyer didnt have trich.
Hoyer has timing and placement.
Hoyer can read the coverage and knows where he's going with the ball pre-snap. Something Weeden has never done.
I have always said Weeden has an ego and smug. He has horrible footwork, doesnt read and recognize, has no touch, poor ball placement, lost at times, every pass from him is a fastball, cant throw the screen pass, and has a great arm.
Many on this board has every excuse in the world for him. But you tell me in 17 starts which of those traits has he improved on? And he's almost 30.
What made me so upset about the Trich trade was that I believe this team is close, real close. All we need is consistent QB play. Doesnt has to be great, just functionable. Our front seven on defense is something special. Depth and talent. Little has been disappointing but offensively we did have enough talent to score.
When is hardesty coming back? And I wish Lewis could play this year.
Thank God the Weeden experiment is over.
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With this win I don't think Weeden will take another snap for the Browns unless it's because of some kind of an injury to Hoyer. The intangibles, reading of the defense faster, and being able to lead the team are all on Hoyer's side at this point. At least to me it's pretty obvious. It Was an odd/bad pick made by Holmgren to begin with and he will be gone after this year.
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Jags are drafting bridgewater lets not kid ourselves....
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As each week goes on, we're seeing what a bumbling, arrogant and lazy incompetent Holmgren was. Everything he did here is turning out or has turned out to be a failure.
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About the opposite of what I hoped when he was hired back then... :-(
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Jags are drafting bridgewater lets not kid ourselves....
I don't know if it is Bridgewater, but the Jaguars are taking the best QB.
If Hoyer continues playing like a combination of Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady can we just trade up and take Clowney?
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If Hoyer continues playing like a combination of Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady can we just trade up and take Clowney?
What did I just say about kidding ourselves? 
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With all due respect, Clem...let me submit this scenario:
Reporter: A few notes were off tonight...was that your fault? Or the guy next to you? Or the conductor?
Clem: The conductor. He didn't conduct well. He screwed us all up.
That's Weeden. Since he got here. If it wasn't the conductor, it was the guy to the left of him, or the right of him, but it was never Weeden.
Never. Weeden's. Fault.
You make your judgments from there.
But the kid is timid and his NFL career is close to ending.
It's all good, PDR.
...And about that conductor getting thrown under the bus....
Q: What's the difference between a bull and a symphony orchestra?
A: The bull has the horns up front, and the ass in the back.
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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A: The bull has the horns up front, and the ass in the back.
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Hahaha! Good stuff Clem.
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Umm, they're not excuses. They're facts. The Vikings D is HORRIBLE, and Gordon did make the O. It is also fact that Weeden didn't have Gordon.
Then it is also facts that Cincy's D is NOT horrible.... and DQ and others have complimented Hoyer in a way that was indirectly criticizing of Weeden... Hoyer does some things that Weeden does not, specifically get the ball out quick... and everybody from the OL to the defense has noticed ..... and like it or not, he has provided a spark that Weeden never did...
When DQ said, “It’s just poise, man,” Jackson said of Hoyer. “And he gets rid of that ball. Just let the ball go. Trust yourself. It also helps the O-line. O-line doesn’t block a Terrell Suggs all day when the guy’s back there running for his life. He does a great job. He gets rid of that ball. He makes his mind up quick. He’s poised.
“He’s surprised me. I didn’t know much about him before he came to Cleveland.”
I wonder what/who he was talking about?
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FWIW, We are winning without Weeden and Trich. Replacing them is Hoyer and Gordon.. Whatever anyone wants to say about it, those are the facts.
Can't say that Hoyer is the answer yet. I want to say that, but I can't after only 2 games. If he continues to start and we continue to be fun to watch and win a few games, then I might have to say he's the answer. But I prefer to take a wait and see view of things.
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Just sounds childish.
And the next head coach is ......
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We can argue the whys of it all day long, but the fact is we look better now then we did 2 weeks ago.
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Exactly.. it is out there on the very periphery of my imagination that I allow myself to believe that we finally found this diamond in the rough that falls into our lap and is the long term solution to our biggest problem.. I will admit I have had that little dream a time or two over the last couple weeks.. but in no way am I counting on that to be the case.
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WEEDEN himself is making excuses, I can't see how you don't see that from that article. That interview sounded like a horribly sore loser, making excuses, implying Gordon was the cause for Hoyers success. He stinks of jealousy. Leaders don't blame their shortcomings on anything, they TAKE the blame for things that aren't their fault, not CAST blame. Just look at Tom brady right now, you think he is out there "ooh well if I had welker", no he says "These guys have a lot of talent and we're just going to get better every week". None of this is news to me, I knew from watching his demeanor in the first game at home from the stands he wasn't a leader. I gave him a pass on being garbage last year because I thought maybe Norv could mold him, but he just plain isn't good, isn't a leader and is really crying like a baby at this point. You want the leader of our football team to say things like.... Quote:
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For real dude? Be a man, you had to have learned something else. He’s crying because he knows he lost his job.
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Right because Gordon would have helped him NOT miss Oby when he was wide open, or made him NOT throw interceptions. Or made him not be terribly inaccurate? More crying, more whining IT’S JUST NOT FAIR!!! If anything Gordons TERRIBLE route running that was on display yesterday would have caused MORE interceptions. You rally think he was going to hit Gordon in stride on that 50 yard TD in Minnesota? I don't, he would have missed him and if Gordon did catch it, it wouldn't have been in stride.
Then again mentioning Gordon, he just can’t stop making excuses and it’s embarrassing. Do I think that Brian Hoyer would be making excuses like this? I can’t see that happening.
You can continue to give him a pass. He and Richardson are busts. The sooner we can all come to terms with it, the better and more thoroughly we can move on. I don’t know about you guys, but I do not want the leader of my football teamšcoming off as a spoiled cry baby when things don’t go his way. You can have Weeden, I am done with him.
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I think you responded to the wrong person.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Oh brother.
He hasn't been able to play yet with the thumb injury. I'm sure that would upset a competitor. He hasn't lost his job ... officially ....... but I'm sure that he sees it slipping away. Sitting out, being helpless to do anything to save my job would definitely tick me off. Doing so when my main weapon was coming back from suspension would make me even more ticked off.
The guy is trying to get his hand back into shape to even be able to play, and it appears that he has lost his job, and someone asks "Have you learned anything from the sidelines?" Really?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Oh brother.
He hasn't been able to play yet with the thumb injury. I'm sure that would upset a competitor. He hasn't lost his job ... officially ....... but I'm sure that he sees it slipping away. Sitting out, being helpless to do anything to save my job would definitely tick me off. Doing so when my main weapon was coming back from suspension would make me even more ticked off.
The guy is trying to get his hand back into shape to even be able to play, and it appears that he has lost his job, and someone asks "Have you learned anything from the sidelines?" Really?
Correction.. his job has slipped away.
I gave him til game 5 but this is all the better.
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Exactly.. it is out there on the very periphery of my imagination that I allow myself to believe that we finally found this diamond in the rough that falls into our lap and is the long term solution to our biggest problem.. I will admit I have had that little dream a time or two over the last couple weeks.. but in no way am I counting on that to be the case.
Exactly,, But, wouldn't it be amazing to feel that way.. Think about it, Hoyer is the man and we have 10 picks in the draft next year, 2 in the 1st round., We could really beef up big time... wow
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I've been one of Weeds biggest supporters so far, but I gotta say Hoyer looks like Brady Jr. I don't mean throwing TDs or even faster throws. Just the way he carries himself and you can feel the excitement he brings to the huddle. Bad play? No problem, come on now lets do this. He is showing Leadership and ability. He really does remind me of a Brady in the huddle type and that's a good thing.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
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Oh brother.
He hasn't lost his job ... officially .......
he officially lost it this week.
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Oh brother.
He hasn't lost his job ... officially .......
he officially lost it this week.
I kind of meant at the time he said what he said ...... but whatever.
I just want to win. Whoever gives us the best chance of winning is good by me.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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YT- so are u officially off the Weeden bandwagon?
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I believe that Hoyer gives us the best chance to win now.
I would have liked to see how Weeden would have done with Gordon in the lineup just for my own peace of mind, but Hoyer has stepped in and settled the position, and the team overall. I don't know if Hoyer is the long term guy. It would be great if he is .... but that would mean that a lot of other teams were totally wrong about him. That doesn't happen very often.
I think that Weeden has the physical ability to play in the NFL. I don't think that he's ever going to be a speedy read type of QB. He's more like a Roethlisberger type, who takes a little longer to process what is going on around him. Can he be successful? I don't know. Obviously he lacks the escapability that Roethlisberger possesses. Regardless what I think of his or his potential, he's not going to be the guy here. It's obvious that that particular ship has sailed.
I do think that Shurmur did Weeden no favors by stuffing him into an offense that didn't fit. That happens though. I also think that Weeden can thank Gordon for helping bring his career to a screeching halt. I do think that having Gordon would have helped open things up for the rest of the guys in weeks 1 and 2 .... and would have made Weeden's job easier, and probably would have made his results wind up in better shape.Would it have been enough? I don't know. It is obvious that Hoyer processes things on the field much faster than Weeden does. He sees things before they happen, and is able to throw a pass before the receiver breaks. I don't know if Weeden will develop that level of proficiency.
A part of me would have liked to see Weeden get a chance with Gordon ..... but I want to win above all else, and we are winning with Hoyer. He played a really nice game against the Bengals so I think that we would be foolish to change. Outside of the final drive against the Vikings, I wasn't as impressed with his play in that game as some were. I was much more impressed with his play against the Bengals. Now we just have to see/hope that he can keep it up.
Weirdness .......
In 2007, under Chud (as OC) we replaced our starting QB after game 1 and went on to win 10 games. This tear, with Chud as the head coach, we replaced or starter in week 3 ..... and started off 2-0 with his replacement. Weird.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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