The problem is he needs to look in the mirror and ask himself, "What did, or didn't, I do to get to this?"... instead he seems to be saying "Why didn't I get more help, why wasn't this guy here to help me, look at all the advantages this other guy has." That's why it comes across as a bit whiney.
I dont buy the gordon excuses. He never improved on major portions of the game that was lacking. Gordon had nothing to do with that. He is an unsuccessful pitcher with a strong arm attempting to play QB. You cant throw fastballs on every pass.
We are winning. Two wins is called a streak. Hoyer was better this week skinning the Cats with work. We are better now on all sides of the ball with Hoyer than we were with the "new and improved, coached up" Weeden who did most of his talking in interviews rather than on the field.
The club plays much harder with Hoyer and for Hoyer than with Weeden. Can't see anything tthat Weeds has done or does than Hoyer to return Weeds to start over Hoyer. Is he prohibitively better at any vital part of his game? Hoyer seems to see more of the field, checks more progressions, and delivers it on time more often. I think Weedshas had his chance. I don't think Hoyer is the long-term answer, but he is getting more done than Weeden was, and who might struggle post-thumb even more. Hoyer with reps has improved. Weeds showed minimal difference from last year, and seems to have the same bad habits: lock in at snap, staare down, throw short to first person he chose before snap, hold the ball, take the sack, force it into multiple covers. Not a QB guy, but theyy play hard for Hoyer. Second coming of the Kardiac Kids, I hope. Hoyer seems like a Sipe type to me.
Just win, baby. It is the Bigs, and Weeds has had his chance. Nothing further is owed to him while Hoyer gets the coaches' best efforts for his shot. It isn't because he got hurt; it is because his crappy play was only good enough to lose. Winners: Play 'em if you've got 'em.
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He hasn't been able to play yet with the thumb injury. I'm sure that would upset a competitor. He hasn't lost his job ... officially ....... but I'm sure that he sees it slipping away. Sitting out, being helpless to do anything to save my job would definitely tick me off. Doing so when my main weapon was coming back from suspension would make me even more ticked off.
The guy is trying to get his hand back into shape to even be able to play, and it appears that he has lost his job, and someone asks "Have you learned anything from the sidelines?" Really?
I know before I say this, I am overly passionate about it. I just believe it with all my heart, with all the football I've played, watched and studied over the years I know this to be true. Snide comments like his are NEVER acceptable from a leader.
You're right, that sucks, but he is acting like he was lights out and lost his job simply because he hurt his hand. He's doing the same thing Richardson was doing, blaming everyone else. Richardson was on some "other guys need to make plays" horse crap. Well you know what T-rich, YOU certainly weren't so how can you deflect blame?
Real leader just don't act like this. You would NEVER here Dquell Jackson or Joe Thomas talk like this, never. EVER! It's immaturity and he's too old for it. Don't get hurt, HA! He was terrible last year, he's terrible this year and he's acting like injury alone is what is keeping him out.
He was an outright turnover machine last year and I don't want to hear anything about the system. You can see it in his play, the 3 turnovers in the opener had him shook in the Baltimore game, holding the ball, trying not to turn it over versus trying to win the game.
You're right, it was a bad time for him to get hurt with Gordon coming back, but he had Gordon all last season and was terrible. I don't think that can be argued really. You can argue I'm being too hard on his comments but if I see it, I KNOW his team mates can see right through his answers to these questions and I would absolutely bet his disposition in the locker room comes off the same way. No one respects the guy playing ANY sport who makes excuses and continues to play terrible.
It's everything, it's his poor play, his poor football awareness, his terrible accuracy, his propensity to hold the ball too long and take sacks in ADDITION to this kid of stuff. He's done, if Banner and Lombardi didn't already know it (which I think they did) they know it now. He'll make a decent backup somewhere like Brady Quinn.
The problem is he needs to look in the mirror and ask himself, "What did, or didn't, I do to get to this?"... instead he seems to be saying "Why didn't I get more help, why wasn't this guy here to help me, look at all the advantages this other guy has." That's why it comes across as a bit whiney.
I see a lot of guys saying Hoyer isnt the long term answer. Why? I know its only 2 games, but he looks better than a lot of guys. What is it that makes folks think he cant grow into the "long term" guy?
I see a lot of guys saying Hoyer isnt the long term answer. Why? I know its only 2 games, but he looks better than a lot of guys. What is it that makes folks think he cant grow into the "long term" guy?
Physical tools, but he has basically an entire season to audition. I'm not counting him out of the discussion.
I see a lot of guys saying Hoyer isnt the long term answer. Why? I know its only 2 games, but he looks better than a lot of guys. What is it that makes folks think he cant grow into the "long term" guy?
You know Arps, I think it's mostly being Gun Shy. I really would love for Hoyer to be the man. That would be IDEAL. He leads the team for the next 5 to 8 years.
We'd have two 1st round picks next season and 8 more to boot. So we could really beef up the team. We wouldn't have to to stretch to get the next Andrew Luck (and I am not convinced there is one in this next draft). We could go get another top receiver to go along with Gordon and maybe even a RB with skills.
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'Theres alot for him to overcome to convince people he could be the answer. But honestly there's only one BIG question mark about him guys... he was a UDFA coming into the league. But he sat behind a future HOF QB for a few years. He sat on his couch most of last year. He was only with pittsburgh for a short time and same with arizona. I bet whisenhunt just took a flyer on the kid because pittsburgh signed him. Hoyer was signed DEC 10th and started for arizona later that month. While his stats during that time weren't awesome how much do you expect to do less than 3 weeks into a system youve never seen before?
Alot want to believe he's the answer, but theres not enough tape on Hoyer to suggest much, other than the two recent victories. Lets see what our record is by week 8 and how he's looking.
What I don't get is how posters seem to suggest that Hoyer proved that Weeden is a dud? Huh? Why has Hoyer's play proved that? What has his play to do with Weeden's? Weeden got 2 starts in this system (and he too showed improvement from his first to second start) and 16 overall and you close the book on him as a NFL QB? That's ridiculous...I understand and am ok that Hoyer is the man now, he deserves it, but to pile on on Weeden like this is again proving my point that he was hated the moment he got drafted by the majority of the fan base. The resentment towards him was bordering ugly...it was evident when he was trashed and TRich still called a "superstar" and now the same with Hoyer, who is talked bigger than he is.
That said, I expect Weedem to get cut or traded for a late rounder, be it during this season or soon after it. I expect him to have a Henne-like backup/spot start career and Hoyer to eventually come down as Tim Rattay/Shaun Hill
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That be worth at least a discussion, but people say that Hoyer's play proved Weeden to be a dud.
and again, the dude was simply hated: he was 14/18 in the first half vs BAL which was a carbon copy of Hoyer's first half vs Cincy, yet one looked "impressive" and the other was still criticized for only putting up 6p (Hoyer had 7p btw) and then had like 8 or 9 incompletions the second half, half of them drops on very good NFL throws...and all people biotched about was the throw to Obi, completely throwing out the rest of his game. That's all I need to know, when people just want to have a scapegoat...and that's what Weeden is at this point, since he DOES NOT PLAY.
What nobody says it that the D won the last game by shutting out the Bengals. Would they have shutted out the Ravens too in that dominating fashion, then all the tale would be about Weeden "looking improved", playing from in front all game with some 4th Qtr runs instead of 15 straight pass calls and boy he was 14/18 in the first half and didn't turn the ball over...and nobody would talk about the Obi-pass, just like nobody talks about the handful of Hoyer throws he got lucky with or got bailed out by Gordon (that underthrown deep pass vs Pacman ie)...sound familiar? Fickle fans, that's their nature, I guess. Guess what, a QB looks better throwng a jump ball to Gordon than Benji, unbelievable, I know
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I might buy that if the guy had showed anything in his time as a starter, but he never did.
The only thing he showed positively was that he had a cannon for an arm.
He never displayed poise, accuracy, leadership, pocket presence, football intelligence, etc., etc. to a degree where he could lead one to believe that he's a franchise or even competent QB.
He wasn't very good. Actually, he was bad. And when you're bad after 17 games, chances are the fan base isn't going to care for you. I wouldn't necessarily call that hate.
Frankly, I didn't understand the love he got coming into this year. People thought new weapons would make him perform better, but his problems weren't rooted in his weapons so much as his head. He can't read a defense. He's not good under pressure.
And I don't buy the 'you can't judge a guy on 17 games' line. I've heard that line in regards to Couch, Holcomb, Frye, DA, Quinn. McCoy, etc.
And I'd take any one of those guys over Weeden, with the exception of Quinn.
You can see if a guy's special but he's just being held back or still blooming.
You don't see that with Brandon Weeden, unless you're seriously bending over backwards to cut the guy a break.
Quote: What I don't get is how posters seem to suggest that Hoyer proved that Weeden is a dud? Huh? Why has Hoyer's play proved that? What has his play to do with Weeden's?
It's simple, really.
At almost 30 years of age, which is nearing the end of the line for an NFL QB, Weeden is now in his so-called '"growth year" where they make their big strides, and it's painfully obvious that he holds onto the ball way too long and doesn't throw his receivers open, he waits for them to get open.
If Hoyer, who has been an unwanted man by most of the league, gets what it means to know how to get the ball out on time but Weeden doesn't, it gives all the fans who are paying attention a side-by-side, apples-to-apples comparison which shows all the flaws in the old man's game.
Regardless of what Hoyer does the rest of the way, he shows some very basic fundamentals that the 30-year old still doesn't have.
Time for the fans to rubber-stamp Weeds. The organization already has.
Quote: That said, I expect Weedem to get cut or traded for a late rounder, be it during this season or soon after it.
So you get it.
If he were actually any good he'd be gone for something much higher. At THE most critical position in professional sports, if you're even viewed as a stop-gap player you'll be traded for something of value. Alex Smith showed that a good-but-not-elite starter at the age as Weeden goes for draft-pick gold. You stating Weeds is only worth a late-round pick is very, very telling.
What's really gonna stick in some people's craw is that Lombardi was right.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Quote: I see a lot of guys saying Hoyer isnt the long term answer. Why? I know its only 2 games, but he looks better than a lot of guys. What is it that makes folks think he cant grow into the "long term" guy?
It's not that it can't happen, it's just that the odds are stacked against it..... History tells us that the odds are significantly greater that he will have some good games, maybe even a good season and then soon he will fade away ala Derek Anderson, Scott Mitchell, Matt Cassel, etc... there are far more examples of that than there are of Tom Brady and Kurt Warner.....
As I said before, I'm hoping beyond hope that he can be the guy.. the diamond in the rough that nobody saw coming... heaven knows it hasn't happened here in a long time and we deserve it.... I'm just thinking we ought to have a plan B...
Two game winning drives in the first two starts with a new team says a lot. Weeden didn't come out with the poise and confidence that Hoyer has displayed.
Lombardi WAS right and if we get even a late round pick for him I will be stunned. He'll be released. I got ragged on pretty hard in my social circle for "giving up" on Weeden at the end of last year and telling them he wasn't the answer.
Yes, in today's NFL it can be evaluated THAT quick. This isn't the 70's where guys are allowed to be out and out horrible for 4 years. You get a year, maybe two to show us something, absolutely anything we can hold onto with hope. Weeden has shown me nothing that I can say "you know what, that's how an NFL QB does it", he can't even interview properly.
Another further question (and not the only one, by a far cry) is upside. Are you seeing Weeds develop? His "upside" is that his level of required play is so low for what we need, there is oodles of upside. Hoyer has age and has shown more character and improvement in three starts than I have seen in Weeds.
Not christening Hoyer (gotta get him a nickname!) as the Answer, but we probably wouldn't have managed to win these two with Weeds IMO. Hoyer has earned loyalty until injured or he plays miserably. HoyAir?
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Just clicking, bard. Dunno if Hoyer is the long-term fix, but I do know one thing after watching a few games last season and the first two of 2013: Weeden sucks.
Thanks, Lampdogg. Not out to trash Weeds as much as to give hoyer a fair shake. Winning forgives a lot. I don't care who wins us games; just win, baby!
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Quote: What I don't get is how posters seem to suggest that Hoyer proved that Weeden is a dud? Huh? Why has Hoyer's play proved that? What has his play to do with Weeden's?
You don't get that? Really?
Before Hoyer came in, all kinds of people were ready to cut almost every offensive lineman we had. Said we had a "terrible OL." Guys were saying the play calling sucked. Guys were ready to cut our receivers. It was everyone's fault but Weeden's.
Kinda amazing to see what happens when a qb gets rid of the ball on time as opposed to one who holds it too long. It's amazing how many guys are now "open" that were never open before. Amazing to see what throwing the ball accurately will do for YAC. It's really amazing to see what happens when a guy at qb convert third downs.
I don't think too many people are saying Hoyer is great, but watching him proves how freaking pathetic Weeden was/is.
I said it for a long time, but guys like you and YTown refused to listen and instead acted like I was clueless. But here is the scoop again...........it's hard to improve when you can't read coverages and are not very accurate.
Heck, compounding matters is the guy is a loser. His body language speaks$to being a loser. Has anyone else noticed Hoyer's demeanor? How about how his teammates react to him as opposed to Weeden? It isn't even close.
And you have the nerve to ask how Hoyer's play has convinced people that Weeden stinks? Really?
I think it is time we quit debating Weeden. He is a loser. His comments are those of a loser. His body language looks like that of a loser. And his play is the play of a loser.
It's time we start concentrating more on Arps question.
Quote: What I don't get is how posters seem to suggest that Hoyer proved that Weeden is a dud? Huh? Why has Hoyer's play proved that? What has his play to do with Weeden's?
I think it's just that an undrafted career backup with only one start before he got here came in and threw the ball decisively and had two late game TD's, one for the win and the other to ice a victory.
One would expect him to struggle at least as much or more than Weeden has but no, he is poised, makes quick decisions and gets rid of the ball because of it. Weeden is slow in his decision making and holds the ball waiting for a WR to get wide open.
So you have a third string backup come in and show the 1st round pick how to play the position. It's by comparison that Hoyer proves Weeden a dud.
One would expect Weeden to be at least as efficient as Hoyer's been.
This is the biggest difference between Anderson, I mean Weeden. Weeden holds the ball too long and doesn't process the field very well. Hoyer not only gets rid of hte ball quicker, but I see communication between him and the offense pre-snap. How much pre-snap communiation have we seen with Weeden?
Interceptions and batted balls were bad with Weeden. I felt that everytime Weeden dropped back to pass that there was a pretty good chance that an INT or batted pass would take place. I don't really get that feeling from Hoyer, yet. Time will tell. Hoyer didn't throw an INT versus the Bengals but threw 3 in the Vikes game.
Another issue that Weeden has is a lack of pocket presence. Weeden couldn't feel the pressure around him but Hoyer has shown the ability to move in the pocket to create something.
It seems that the only thing Weeden has on Hoyer is a stronger arm. We've been fooled by cannons in the past.
i'm looking for weeden to be a ncaa football commentator soon. call the game Weeden.
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He hasn't been able to play yet with the thumb injury. I'm sure that would upset a competitor. He hasn't lost his job ... officially ....... but I'm sure that he sees it slipping away. Sitting out, being helpless to do anything to save my job would definitely tick me off. Doing so when my main weapon was coming back from suspension would make me even more ticked off.
The guy is trying to get his hand back into shape to even be able to play, and it appears that he has lost his job, and someone asks "Have you learned anything from the sidelines?" Really?
Correction.. his job has slipped away.
I gave him til game 5 but this is all the better.
One more good game by Brian and I do believe we won't see Weeden on the field again this year.
I have seen way too much stupid, screwy, and just plain weird stuff happen to this team to ever say never.
Hell, we lost an All Pro Center to a career ending injury in his 1st ever practice with our team, and lost Gary Baxter to injuries to both knees on the same play in something like his 3rd game for us.
I never count out the possibility that fate and the players on the team will conspire to let us down just when we start to believe ......
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I supported Weeden, but only because he was the Browns QB and I am a Browns fan. I hoped, but never thought, he would be the guy. I admit loved his arm strength, just I loved Anderson's arm strength. But there is so much more to the game.
If the main thing he takes from this situation is "to not get hurt" then it says a lot about him. Not only does he have Derek's arm strength, but also his leadership.
People on here see what they want to see. And read what they want to read.
There was nothing whiney or childish about what Weeden said in this article. Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
This situation is so similar to the Holcomb/Couch debate that I'm surprised it isn't mentioned more. The gist of that time period was that, in the end, neither guy was the "one".
Which is what I think will happen in the end here.
What I don't get is the vitriol that some posters show against certain players. I think the guys that rail against Weeden (or Skrine or Hardesty, etc. and will eventually turn on Hoyer) actually think that the player is playing badly or having a bad game to ruin your day. But it really isn't about YOU. They're just having a bad game, week, month, whatever. They're not trying to screw you. We all feel the losses. So get over yourselves....LOL
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Quote: There was nothing whiney or childish about what Weeden said in this article. Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
Exactly...the problem is that he isn't Manning. So he does not deserve to say that kind of thing. Not without some backlash.
How can he say the Browns are STILL his team? When was it EVER his team? Last year? Just another in a long line of stupid comments from the guy that are spoken way before he's earned the credibility to do so.
People on here see what they want to see. And read what they want to read.
There was nothing whiney or childish about what Weeden said in this article. Put the name Manning where the name Weeden is and people are basically just getting a chuckle out of the "Don't get hurt" comment.
This situation is so similar to the Holcomb/Couch debate that I'm surprised it isn't mentioned more. The gist of that time period was that, in the end, neither guy was the "one".
Which is what I think will happen in the end here.
What I don't get is the vitriol that some posters show against certain players. I think the guys that rail against Weeden (or Skrine or Hardesty, etc. and will eventually turn on Hoyer) actually think that the player is playing badly or having a bad game to ruin your day. But it really isn't about YOU. They're just having a bad game, week, month, whatever. They're not trying to screw you. We all feel the losses. So get over yourselves....LOL
Didnt like him in college, didnt want to draft him at all, he proved he lacks nfl skills, and never corrected the issues he does have. The exact same issues ive been saying before we drafted and after. Slow footed, no touch...everythings a fastball, egocentric, smug, cant read defenses, and cant throw a screen pass. It's not hating when its factual. He was another wasted first round pick. And his play has backed up my continueing critique.
BEREA, Ohio -- Brandon Weeden, who's lost his starting job to Brian Hoyer, is proceeding as though he'll be starting again this season.
"I'd be lying if I said this was the ideal situation,'' said Weeden, who participated fully in Monday's light practice. "I want to be out there. You never draw it up that you’re going to get hurt Week 2 and stuff like this happens. But it’s life. You can’t feel sorry for yourself.
"I’m treating it like this is still my football team, I’m still involved in the offense. I’m not discouraged.''
While Weeden is recovered from his sprained thumb, coach Rob Chudzinski announced Monday that Hoyer will start Thursday night against the Bills at FirstEnergy Stadium in a NFL Network game.
With clutch drives each of the last two weeks, Hoyer has gone 2-0 in his first two starts to pull the Browns into a three-way tie for first in the AFC North with the Ravens and Bengals. He's also provided the spark Chudzinski was seeking.
"I’m not going to feel sorry for myself and start sulking and pouting,'' Weeden said. "That's just not the way I go about it. I've still got a lot of confidence in my ability and I’m not discouraged. I think I played better this year and my confidence is still high.''
Chudzinski has said he'll evaluate the quarterback situation on a week-to-week basis, and Weeden is convinced he'll be starting again at some point this season.
"That's my mindset,'' Weeden said. "I can’t approach it any other way. If I did, I’d be doing a disservice to myself and doing a disservice to this offense. I’m going to work just as hard as I did in the off-season to win the job. I’m going to keep continuing to work just as hard now as I did week one and week two and go from there.''
Weeden, who went 0-2 to start the season, said he's talked to both Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, but declined to share what they told him.
"I’ll keep that between us. but they made the decision and … we’re playing well right now,'' Weeden said. "I’m the ultimate team guy, I want to win games, I want to be on a team that’s winning games, it makes this business a lot more fun. And Brian’s playing well, the offense is playing well, the defense is playing outstanding. It’s fun to watch. I’m happy for this football team.''
He said he's not sure yet if he'll back up Hoyer Thursday night or if Chudzinski will go with Jason Campbell in the short week.
"That's a question for Chud,'' he said.
He declined to say if it's a worn-out adage that a player can't lose his job to injury.
"Oh, I don't know,'' he said. "This is the first time it’s ever happened. I couldn’t tell you.''
He attributed the offensive improvement to experience in the new scheme and Josh Gordon's return from his two-game suspension. Weeden threw only one touchdown pass and three picks in his two starts and Hoyer has thrown five TDs and three interceptions. But Gordon has opened things up for everyone, including Jordan Cameron, who's caught four TD passes the past two weeks.
"It takes time to get in a rhythm,'' Weeden said. "The same guys are playing. Obviously Jordan’s having a big year. Getting Josh back is good for this offense. Our offensive line is playing really well, it’s just everybody’s getting better. You expect it. That’s what you want. If it’s going the other way, you’d be a little bit discouraged, but it’s encouraging that we’re moving forward, we’re playing better all-around.''
Weeden was asked if his sprained thumb, which he banged off John Greco's helmet in Baltimore, was just a matter of bad timing.
"Yeah, I guess so,'' he said. "I'll let you put that in your own words.''
Regardless, he said, he'll continue to prepare as if he's the starter.
"One thing about being a quarterback, whether you’re a backup, starter, third string, you’re a snap away and you’ve got to keep that mindset,'' he said. "You've got to prepare like you’re going to play. So I'll come in early, watch the same amount of tape, study the same amount of time, just in case my number’s called, and go from there.''
He said he threw the ball with no restrictions Monday in the light practice with no pads.
"The ball felt good coming out,'' he said.
He said he could play Thursday if called upon, but "it’s tough, you don’t get any reps, you get the scout team reps and so we’ll see how that goes.''
Receiver Davone Bess said Weeden has handled his benching like a pro.
"His head is down (to focus) right now and that's the mindset of the team,'' said Bess. "We're focused onto the next opponent and that's the Buffalo Bills. And it'd be easy to bite the cheese and be happy and rah-rah, but we're on a mission and we're on the right track, and we want to stay on track.''
Left tackle Joe Thomas said Hoyer's installation was expected.
“Brian’s done a nice job for us coming in, providing that spark, had two nice games already making the right throws, getting the ball out on time, doing a good job with the operation, just making sure everybody’s on the same page, good command of the huddle,'' said Thomas. "We’re 2-0 with Brian right now, so it’s no surprise that he’s going to be the starter on Thursday.”
But should a player lose his job to injury?
“I don’t know,'' said Thomas. "It's more of a coaching question. It’s hard to sit a guy after he won both games he was in.”
Would he prefer Hoyer remain the starter and the issue be settled?
"Sometimes people say, ‘You’re staying with the hot hand,’ and Brian’s been doing a good job for us,'' said Thomas. I just hope Brian keeps playing well. That’s all I can say. He’s done a nice job the last two games. He’s getting more comfortable every week. So hopefully he can do a nice job on Thursday for us, and those things take care of themselves.” Chudzinski stressed that Weeden wouldn't have much time to prepare in the short week, but that Hoyer earned the next start on his own merits.
“I think he improved from the week before,'' Chudzinski said. "His decisions were very good. Just in talking him this morning, there were a few throws he would like to have made better. But you look at the drives – we had some long drives we were able to string together because some of the things he did on third down, the decisions he was making and the guys were rallying around him.”
He acknowledged that Hoyer has energized the team.
"He’s a fiery guy,'' said Chudzinski. "I think our whole team was that way about that game yesterday. The fans were awesome. It was loud. Guys were really excited about that and playing in front of them. Brian typified that.”
Weeden hopes to get another chance to prove he can do the same.
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