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Yes,but don't the facts of the matter bother you at all? I mean let's face it,Dilfer had been around. He knew plenty about what it takes to be a winner. He knew Mo Carthon certainly wasn't the answer
Sure that bothers me,,, bothers me a lot to be honest.. What bothers me more is that many on here (I was not among them) wanted Mo gone. Some of you guys saw that (again, I didn't) and knew right away that Mo was not doing a good job... But the HC and FO didn't see that.. or at least didn't react to it if they did. That bothers me far more than the entire Dilfer thing.
None of us (well, I don't think so anyway) are professionals in the NFL.. We really aren't expected to know the deep down details of what goes on in Berea.. But the FO is made up of Professionals and they should have known or at the very least, suspected that a problem was brewing.... That bothers me a lot!
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If I wanted both of those quarterbacks to work harder that's exactly what I would have said.
Charlie's going to work harder to keep his "leg up".
Anderson will work harder for what he sees as an opportunity.
Thanks for bringing a little sense into this mess..... 
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Ask yourself why KH would accept less money to go to a new city when he was told that he was going to be the backup there and leave a city that he lived in, would have a great chance of being a starter, and make more money. *L*
If that isn't enough....did you find it kinda odd how quickly the Dilfer trade was done?
Yeah it didn't add up for me at all back then. I guess what is being referred to here is that plan B (Dilfer's arrival) was actually in place before Kelly allegedly started playing hardball.
If that was the case then if we had KH and Dilfer on the roster i guess Kelly might not have thought the competition would be as open as he'd have liked. I guess maybe KH was thinking the org. was speaking with forked tounge as to what role was being offered while already negotiating behind the scenes with another QB.
If that was the case, it was widely reported at the time that we went for Dilfer after KH played hardball. Again, that boils down to stuff that goes on which us walla walla's aren't privy too.
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I'm not asking you to believe that KH would have been a good fit here, but I am asking you to question whether KH and 4th rd. pick would have been better than Dorsey and a 7th.
Thought i already answered this. Put like that obviously it's gonna be KH and the 4th but it's the old hindsight thing again. Who knew at that time that the Dilfer story would've played out like it did.
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Is there any documented proof that Dilfer did demand a trade? Or was that speculation by the media and the members of the boards? I am not being a smart ass. I really don't know the answer. And if you...or someone else....could give me the direct quotes from either Savage or Dilfer, I would certainly appreciate it.
I'm the wrong person to ask. I get 100% of my info. from these boards and after a while facts and opinions kinda turn into an orange blur. 
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Sure that bothers me,,, bothers me a lot to be honest.. What bothers me more is that many on here (I was not among them) wanted Mo gone. Some of you guys saw that (again, I didn't) and knew right away that Mo was not doing a good job... But the HC and FO didn't see that.. or at least didn't react to it if they did. That bothers me far more than the entire Dilfer thing.
None of us (well, I don't think so anyway) are professionals in the NFL.. We really aren't expected to know the deep down details of what goes on in Berea.. But the FO is made up of Professionals and they should have known or at the very least, suspected that a problem was brewing.... That bothers me a lot!
To try to say that Dilfer knew more than Mo because of how long he has been around doesn't make much sense.
Mo has been around the league alot longer than Dilfer and Crennell alot longer than both.
You don't go firing coaches because a player has a rift with them. That's not a door you want to open.
I personally didn't like Mo's dictatorship as OC, but that's a different story.
Savage and Crennell wanted to give Mo his fair shake and maybe to an extent they might have agreed with him instead of Dilfer. We don't know what the entire truth here is, we are only speculating.
Maybe the FO saw that Mo's offense wasn't working but wanted to wait until the end of the year to make a change. The changing in mid-stream doesn't work as we saw.
Daman- It appears that you are like a chamelion sometimes. You change your opinion to match that of who you are talking to, especially the bullies on this board. Stick to your guns brother
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Dilfer was threatening to retire rather than work with Mo. If that isn't trying to force him out, then what is. He was forcing the FO to make a move. You can spin it any way you want, but the simple fact is that the FO could not allow Dilfer to dictate such things and dealt him. A smart move by Savage.
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You change your opinion to match that of who you are talking to, especially the bullies on this board. Stick to your guns brother
The irony in that statement is amazing at many levels.  
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Dilfer was threatening to retire rather than work with Mo.
Coach, I have yet to see proof of that.
You know......I keep seeing "reason" after "reason" given for all of Savage's moves. And almost everyone says he has made good moves. Yet, the Browns regressed last year. They have won 6 games and 4 games in his two years. They are 1 and 11 against the division. They have spent big money in free agency. They are once again at the top of the draft, and no one is picking them to go to the playoffs next year, other than some homers on the boards. Meanwhile, other teams have turned it around w/in the same time frame.
Some of you may want to at least consider that not all of these moves were "good moves." And I'm not saying this in a hostile way, nor am I belittling any of you guys. I'm not angry or upset. My tone is completely matter of fact.
I think Savage has made multiple mistakes. I haven't seen the genius that many do. I do think he can improve and I hope he does. I am not calling for him to fired. You have never seen me call for a coach or a FO guy to be fired, other than Collins. But, I do think the fans need to have a voice and let the organization know they know when the team makes a bad move and when they make a good move.
Coach, you of all people should understand this............Accountability is not a bad thing!
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Some of you may want to at least consider that not all of these moves were "good moves." And I'm not saying this in a hostile way, nor am I belittling any of you guys. I'm not angry or upset. My tone is completely matter of fact.
Here's where I feel you run into a wall with some..when some of us say we understand WHY Phil did some things but we don't agree with it , its not saying the move was the best one or we LUV it..U seem to take it that way..i've seen Diam reply to U about the same things over and over again yet you still feel he take up for Phil when all he's doing is explaining the reasoning behind the move..
I mean what more can be said to explain whats going going on?
I don't get what more U want from your fellow posters...
U can never say with a straight face that in any of my comments I said I love everything thats been done..I issue my thoughts positive or negative but I try to be balanced in it.
And we don't even need to mention Rac because there's only a few things I criticize him on..he's a rookie HC who has a defensive mind and it isn't geared to running a offense..
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I can only say what Attack has. I don't agree with every move Savage has made either. He has made mistakes. The Dilfer thing is one that I can only tell you was told to me. It was a him or me kind of thing. This came from someone VERY close to Dilfer in the situation.
I don't think Phil is a genius....yet. I think he has much room for improvement. I just understand some of the things done and some of the things that were mistakes he's tried to correct. As you have said on many occasions, the team needs more time.....but they cannot make major mistakes from here on out.
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Dude, you criticize my motives in every post you make to me. I haven't even been responding to you. If what I say really bothers you so much.......why even bother reading it? How about we just ignore each other? I'm tired of me trying to talk about the team and you trying to talk about me. I don't want to talk about me. Sheesh.
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Alright Coach, I'll buy that.
Let me just say this...........I find it hard to believe people when they only argue one side of an argument. For instance, as much as I bad-mouth Savage......I do acknowledge his good moves. I thought drafting Wimbley was an outstanding move. I never thought Steinbach would come here, but Savage pulled it off. I think getting a guy like Justin Hamilton was very good. Holley was a great FA pick-up. I thought bringing in Bentley last year was outstanding. You getting my drift?
I just don't hear any criticism or even doubts from the majority of posters on any of Savage's moves. It's hard for me to take people seriously when they either defend or attack one subject all the time. Does that make sense to you?
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Absolutley, it makes sense. People do tend to dismiss the bad moves because the honey moon period is still there for Savage (though not for RAC). Like I said, we can't afford too many misses from here on out and the draft will be make or break IMO.
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Dude, you criticize my motives in every post you make to me
Excuse me?
Every post?
Now U are exaggerating Vers..and the posts are there to plainly see.
It was U who first came at me about my comments on Frye...I think U forgot that..
Thats the ONLY thing that started this...nothing else.
"If what I say really bothers you so much.......why even bother reading it? ]How about we just ignore each other?
Lol..You use that tatic every time U have a riff with someone..
Thats on U not me..
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Dilfer was threatening to retire rather than work with Mo. If that isn't trying to force him out, then what is. He was forcing the FO to make a move. You can spin it any way you want, but the simple fact is that the FO could not allow Dilfer to dictate such things and dealt him. A smart move by Savage.
Do you mean that Dilfer prefered to leave than work with Mo? Sure. That's not forcing anything accept Dilfer wanted out of that situation.
But you're twisting it into him trying to "force Mo out" Two different things.
If the FO was smart,it would have been obvious Mo wasn't the answer. Now we are starting over anyway with a new OC and no veteran QB. Spin away. The results speak for themselves.
Had Savage taken a realistic look at Mo's performance,he would have cannned him then and kept Dilfer rather than wait yet another 9 games and made last year a lame duck season.
Are you saying you're promoting throwing last season away sticking with Mo,resulting in yet putting us ANOTHER year behind and starting all over again on O NOW,is smarter than doing it a year ago?
Wasting another year was smarter than keeping Dilfer and dealing with Mo last year?
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I'm not twisting anything. Dilfer said that either Mo was gone or he was. That is trying to force the FO to get rid of Mo. Yes, I'm saying that there is no way Savage should have caved to those demans to get rid of Mo.
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Savage made his choice. Now we have neither and last year was wasted on the O side of the ball. Now we're starting over yet again with a new offensive system AND lost our veteran QB. That's the outcome of his decision. Dilfer was right and the choice Savage made cost us another year. If you call that "smart business decisions"? I worry about you. 
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And if you call allowing a player to dictate who is on the coaching staff, I worry about you. It doesn't matter whether or not Dilfer was right. What matters is that he is not the head coach or GM, but tried to force them to make decisions. The jury was out on Mo. There were no foregone conclusions at that point. You're looking at it with hindsight and it's always 20/20...but it does you as much good as telling me the day after the Mega Millions drawing what numbers I should have picked.
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And if you call allowing a player to dictate who is on the coaching staff, I worry about you.
A veteran player comes to me and says,"look,I've been around. This guy doesn't have a clue. You can't and won't win with him. And I'm not going to play for him. He's bad for this team and I want no part of it!"
So considering what he's saying and looking at it objectively is a bad thing? Annylizing your OC and looking at what a long time veteran QB is telling you is wrong?
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It doesn't matter whether or not Dilfer was right. What matters is that he is not the head coach or GM, but tried to force them to make decisions. The jury was out on Mo.
So long time veteran have no input? You don't consider what they say about a man who has NEVER been an OC? And how was "the jury still out"? You mean 16 weeks of the same innept playcalling needed to be seen for nine MORE weeks first? Costing us yet another year on the O side of the ball was the right decision. Let pride get in the way of listenning is smart?
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There were no foregone conclusions at that point. You're looking at it with hindsight and it's always 20/20...but it does you as much good as telling me the day after the Mega Millions drawing what numbers I should have picked.
Not at all. We had plenty of evidence Mo was in over his head. And THE most experienced person in Cleveland at running NFL offenses was Dilfer.
Being on some power trip and ignoring veteran players and their concerns cost us a year on the O side of the ball and our veteran QB. Phil made a bad decision here plain and simple. He makes good ones,he makes bad ones. This is one of hids bad ones and the evidence and out come of that decision is proof positive of it.
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And if you call allowing a player to dictate who is on the coaching staff, I worry about you.
A veteran player comes to me and says,"look,I've been around. This guy doesn't have a clue. You can't and won't win with him. And I'm not going to play for him. He's bad for this team and I want no part of it!"
So considering what he's saying and looking at it objectively is a bad thing? Annylizing your OC and looking at what a long time veteran QB is telling you is wrong?
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It doesn't matter whether or not Dilfer was right. What matters is that he is not the head coach or GM, but tried to force them to make decisions. The jury was out on Mo.
So long time veteran have no input? You don't consider what they say about a man who has NEVER been an OC? And how was "the jury still out"? You mean 16 weeks of the same innept playcalling needed to be seen for nine MORE weeks first? Costing us yet another year on the O side of the ball was the right decision. Let pride get in the way of listenning is smart?
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There were no foregone conclusions at that point. You're looking at it with hindsight and it's always 20/20...but it does you as much good as telling me the day after the Mega Millions drawing what numbers I should have picked.
Not at all. We had plenty of evidence Mo was in over his head. And THE most experienced person in Cleveland at running NFL offenses was Dilfer.
Being on some power trip and ignoring veteran players and their concerns cost us a year on the O side of the ball and our veteran QB. Phil made a bad decision here plain and simple. He makes good ones,he makes bad ones. This is one of hids bad ones and the evidence and out come of that decision is proof positive of it.
To interject, I agree with everything you have written. The first sign should have been Dilfer saying that Mo calls the wrong protections for the plays.
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Depends on who the player is Coach..
To a degree, if I'm the HC and Payton Manning is my QB, he's gonna get listened too about the OC and his playcalling (yea, I know, manning seems to call his own plays, but you get my drift)
Bernie Kosar,, Yeah, I let him tell me what he thinks and I listen to him,, same with Elway or Marino..
I mean, say what you will about manning, but he's earned his stripes in the league..
But Dilfer,, I'm afraid that would be a NO.. Frye,, Same thing.... The same is true for a couple of other QB's as well...
So, yeah, for the most part, the players shouldn't dictate what the coaches do, but there are some instances where it's wise to listen to the player...
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Depends on who the player is Coach..
To a degree, if I'm the HC and Payton Manning is my QB, he's gonna get listened too about the OC and his playcalling (yea, I know, manning seems to call his own plays, but you get my drift)
Bernie Kosar,, Yeah, I let him tell me what he thinks and I listen to him,, same with Elway or Marino..
I mean, say what you will about manning, but he's earned his stripes in the league..
But Dilfer,, I'm afraid that would be a NO.. Frye,, Same thing.... The same is true for a couple of other QB's as well...
So, yeah, for the most part, the players shouldn't dictate what the coaches do, but there are some instances where it's wise to listen to the player...
Dilfer is a guy to always listen to. He has as many rings as Manning. Not only that, but when we signed him there were numerous articles that spoke of how whne the Rats let him go all the players called him and were ticked that he was gone. Dilfer has the smarts. To me, it was obvious from game #1 in 2005 that Mo didn't know what he was doing. I'm a big Savage believer - however, keeping Mo over Dilfer was a huge mistake, huge mistake.
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There are exceptions to the rule, Daman, but certainly not for a mediocre QB that only got a SB ring by babysitting the offense while the defense carried them to a Super Bowl. Scott Mitchell at one point was a veteran QB, but I wouldn't let him tell me who to have as a coach.
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I know coach,,, we agree,,,
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There are exceptions to the rule, Daman, but certainly not for a mediocre QB that only got a SB ring by babysitting the offense while the defense carried them to a Super Bowl.
A serious question:
It took 7 years for Dilfer to win a SuperBowl "Babysitting" an offense.
It took Manning 9 years to win a Super Bowl "leading" an offense.
Why does Manning get a free ride and Dilfer gat bashed? More importantly, doesn't this just prove that the game is way more about the team than the QB no matter how you answer the first question?
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GMAB Soup there's a world of difference from Manning to Dillpickle..
Manning didn't play here Trent did..
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I get that. However - the end result is the same. So seeing how the original thread is about Frye - isn't it more important that we build a team rather than continue to pick apart the QB who has no help? All in all, it's about winning th super bowl, anything else is a failure. My question had nothing to do with comparing their skill sets. Take it as face value. Teams were different, but both were won by teams and not one player. See what 'm saying at all?
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absolutely, and I agree 150%.
Who the QB is doesn't matter worth a damn at all until at the very least the pieces are in around that position. QB alone isn't going to win you anything if the rest of the team isn't up to snuff.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Building a SB team consitutes having a capable QB at the helm..
And since you brought up other names, if you have to keep wondering about our QB (meaning he isn't showing that he's the future) then you better upgrade that spot while you can.
Someone said in another post why the Browns can't have a QB who has all the skills and intangibles neccesarry to start with..why do we have to aquire QB's who are developmental prospects all the time and wait for them to show they aren't worth it?
It's been the same thing for the Oline which is ironic if you think about it.
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I prescribe by the "chicken and egg theory." I believe the o-line has to come before the QB. Without an o-line no QB (intangibles or not) will succeed. I'm not worried about Frye - I'm worried about the line. My whole thing is, you need a team to win a superbowl - we are 2 drafts away from having a team. So why worry about the QB? The next one would be in the same position to fail - build the environment to win and anyone can - just ask Trent Dilfer.
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I dont disagree with your thoughts here, but do you realize how rare those players are?
Even if we draft Quinn or Russell neither of those guys fit the bill - completely...they are certainly closer to filling that mold than Frye, in certain respects. How many of those players have come into the draft in recent years? Manning? Palmer? Probably both, but neither was a sure thing and both were better prospects than Russell or Quinn...
If anyone really believes drafting etither top QB will bring that type of player to Cleveland...well...they would be sadly mistaken or great guessers []. I'm not saying dont draft a QB, I'm saying what's more important than who Cleveland drafts this year - is getting a system in place that can develop talent...
...until then - no longterm success...at some point (when success comes) a shot at these "Elite" prospects doesnt happen every year...and that system becomes the most important thing...
I say grab the core pieces - get the system in place - and GO!...how Cleveland achieves that is anyone's guess...
Anywho, sorry for the off topic rambling...
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One of the keys to a few QB's is that they SAT for a year..some of those solid guys sat and watched...
Plus those teams already had established parts..don't think for a second I don't realize that.
But there were also veteran QB's running those teams before a rookie came in to take over.
I 'm not saying that the Browns can take a QB and thats it..
I have never ever said that..but I worry about is if we fix all the other parts and the QB still is a problem..
I have been as vocal as anyone about the line ..so it needs a few more parts..but all one has to do is look at the Rats and Bungals..the Rats now have a deadly QB..so do the Bengals..the Steelers do have Worthlessburger ..
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It took 7 years for Dilfer to win a SuperBowl "Babysitting" an offense.
It took Manning 9 years to win a Super Bowl "leading" an offense.
Why does Manning get a free ride and Dilfer gat bashed? More importantly, doesn't this just prove that the game is way more about the team than the QB no matter how you answer the first question?
Yup, that's what I would say.. never yet saw a QB win a Superbowl without a team seriously,, what it proves is that you can win with a stud QB, in this case Manning or you can win with an average QB, in this case Dilfer..
and yes it takes a team, otherwise, the moment that Manning stepped on the field in Indy, they would have won a SB.. that didn't happen..,
Darn near happened in Pittsburgh, but in that case, I think it was less about the QB and more about those surrounding him.. Ben had a TEAM around him for sure....
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Alright Coach, I'll buy that.
Let me just say this...........I find it hard to believe people when they only argue one side of an argument. For instance, as much as I bad-mouth Savage......I do acknowledge his good moves. I thought drafting Wimbley was an outstanding move. I never thought Steinbach would come here, but Savage pulled it off. I think getting a guy like Justin Hamilton was very good. Holley was a great FA pick-up. I thought bringing in Bentley last year was outstanding. You getting my drift?
I just don't hear any criticism or even doubts from the majority of posters on any of Savage's moves. It's hard for me to take people seriously when they either defend or attack one subject all the time. Does that make sense to you?
Here's some criticism from the pro-Savage camp.
I thought the Droughns trade was stupid. Any back coming from Denver has me nervous.
Jason Fisk made zero sense to me, even if we were "taking our salary cap medication" in '05, he was downright horrible. I'd never seen someone get pushed backward so easily.
I still don't understand the Matt Stewart pickup, the guy's done jack squat, then we went out and signed Willie McGinest to replace Stewart, then Peek to replace McGinest. Meh.
I hated the Dilfer trade. Hated it.
I wasn't sold on the Braylon pick until a few days before the draft, but comparing how he's performed compared to the other players in the top 10, he's produced. As critical as we all are of him, when you put his numbers next to anyone else in the top 10 he's been at or near the top in production.
Hated the Travis Wilson pick. I was thinking offensive line for sure in that round and to see a receiver taken made me almost throw my beer at the wall (then I remembered it was my friend's dorm and not mine).
That being said, I can't argue with the Baxter signing, mainly because it would have cost that much to keep Henry and Henry wasn't gonna stay regardless. We had to do something or else we'd be screwed at corner (kind of like how we are this year...).
Baxter and Bentley have just been bad luck. Hopefully Steinbach doesn't continue this trend.
I see light at the end of the tunnel, but we need to fix the lines and the QB, IMO.
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I have been as vocal as anyone about the line ..so it needs a few more parts..but all one has to do is look at the Rats and Bungals..the Rats now have a deadly QB..so do the Bengals..the Steelers do have Worthlessburger ..
And BOTH of your examples had solid OL's and major investments at LT BEFORE they invested in their QB's.
Sounds like a great formula for success doesn't it?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I have been as vocal as anyone about the line ..so it needs a few more parts..but all one has to do is look at the Rats and Bungals..the Rats now have a deadly QB..so do the Bengals..the Steelers do have Worthlessburger ..
And BOTH of your examples had solid OL's and major investments at LT BEFORE they invested in their QB's.
Sounds like a great formula for success doesn't it?
Just playing Devil's Advocate...don't mind me too much. I've already established I'm in the Thomas or QB w/ round 2 O-line camp.
Marvel Smith was a round 2 tackle, don't forget.
And as far as QB's go, the Steelers offense was completely different with Maddox in the game vs. Worthlessberger.
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Gotta ask if you read all of my post but decided it SOUNDED better when you said the very same thing I mentioned.
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decided it SOUNDED better when you said the very same thing .
But of course it does!
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Only to you because of the stance you have.. My stance is you can get a QB and work on the line at the same time. Seems to me you and some others might be overlooking the fact that Thomas might not be there when we select..that is a possibility. So if that happens what will you think? The draft isn't over if that happens..there are other linemen... This year.. even though I want Thomas I'm open to other options..
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Passing wasnt that much of an issue though.. it was protecting the QB and rushing...
So its my belief that Frye stays, and we get Peterson in the 1st, and get additional o-linemen in the other rounds... Frye having both Lewis and Peterson to hand the ball off to is a good thing.. better yet.. a GREAT thing..
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Only to you because of the stance you have..
My stance is you can get a QB and work on the line at the same time.
Seems to me you and some others might be overlooking the fact that Thomas might not be there when we select..that is a possibility.
So if that happens what will you think?
The draft isn't over if that happens..there are other linemen...
This year.. even though I want Thomas I'm open to other options..
If Thomas is gone and you are stuck at #3 you take Peterson. He'd make a great #2 as a rookie - give us talent and speed. People rip on his upright running style, but he runs like Walter Payton - he sees the defender, then lowers his shoulder so he doesn't take many hits upright. He's fast to the hole and they said (in his pro-day) that you can tell he's been working on his hands and he can catch. You get your all-purpose threat. Then pray that Grubbs is available in round 2.
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