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Only to you because of the stance you have..
My stance is you can get a QB and work on the line at the same time. 
Seems to me you and some others might be overlooking the fact that Thomas might not be there when we select..that is a possibility.
So if that happens what will you think?
The draft isn't over if that happens..there are other linemen...
This year.. even though I want Thomas I'm open to other options..
If Thomas is gone,as I think we've covered a few times before,I would go Quinn. You can't pick someone who isn't there. I don't see this draft like last year at LT. That's why I was SO gun ho about McNeill last year. VERY unusual to get a legit LT that's not highly rated. If anything,some mid round 1st,to mid round 2nd guys are highly overrated more often than underrated.
So I think we missed a very rare and unusual oppertunity last year. And I don't see any legit. LT's in the second and beyond this year. I'd leave LT alone if we dont get Thomas and look again next year. I don't want to see us reach for a position when there are so many positions that need filled.
I think you'll see a LOT higher caliber talent at the G position there at the top of round 2. And possibly CB and DL. You never know exactly how the "run" on certain positions will go exactly untill it happens. But I'd rather get BPA at any of those positions than a marginal guy at the LT position.
*On a side note; I'm wondering if the 80 mil. contract will make the CB run a little earlier than usual this year?*
But,if we can nab a top rated G and bring Quinn along holding a clip board,we will have another oppertunity next year to address LT and with that top second round draft pick at G having a year under his belt,at least Quinn would have a running game to help him. So if we go Quinn this year,I look for RB and LT to be focuses next year.
JMHO
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I tend to agree with you except for a few things..
The McNeil thing annoyed me because he was just what we needed instead of Shaffer..IMO his play as a rookie was more stellar than the vet..
I think you'll see a LOT higher caliber talent at the G position there at the top of round 2. And possibly CB and DL.
This is the critical round IMO..this is the starter spot..
I refer to last year when Phil had most postions set up expect LB..
This year seems to be CB/RG.
Where he has these guys rated in unknown..but I can say with a good bit of logic he will approach similar to last year when he felt he had to move up to get DQ.
Picking this high in the second he shouldn't have to move up to get anyone unless he wants Ross..
You never know exactly how the "run" on certain positions will go exactly untill it happens. But I'd rather get BPA at any of those positions than a marginal guy at the LT position.
*On a side note; I'm wondering if the 80 mil. contract will make the CB run a little earlier than usual this year?*
With as many CB's as there are I expect that run to start in the second..
Oh BTW they are looking at several OT's outside of Thomas..3 ..
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Well,I'm not saying they aren't "looking at them". But if they're "looking at them" to be starting NFL LT's,they're looking at some long odds. Now if they're "looking at them" to be a RT or a G,their looks might be more practical.
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No, Holcomb! No Holcomb! etc. Call the ASPCA. this horse is being flogged in Berea . . . LOLetc. Those were the days! Browns time to get some soon!   
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I tend to agree with you except for a few things..
The McNeil thing annoyed me because he was just what we needed instead of Shaffer..IMO his play as a rookie was more stellar than the vet..
Oh,it annoyed the living HELL out of me! That's the guy I pimped and said he could play right away! Of course I got given some grief over it,but hey,I just cal them like I see them.
I like DQ and he may be a fine LB. But a franchise LT and we could have sat STILL to get him? He's not in the elite category,but IMO,he rates as a pretty good second tier LT now and is improving consistantly. GOOD kid!
But in the end,he doesn't hold the skill set of a Thomas. But yes,I would have been VERY happy with McNeill. He's more of a "throwback LT" style LT. Where as Thomas is far more athletic and I could go on with the differences. Thomas can be "elite" while McNeill will be good. To some extent you get what you pay for. But we could have invested that money we paid Shaffer in other departments. And it would have us in much better position today.
I'm trying to think but there were a few guys out there that I wanted,but can't remember who was out there when we signed Shafer? At any rate,we could have filled another need with far more quality with the same or less money than Shaffer and had a far better LT now,with only upside in his future. So I was rather upset to say the least. Even more upset when my feelings on the matter turned out to be correct. Kinda wish I would have been wrong now that you mention it.
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This is the critical round IMO..this is the starter spot..
I refer to last year when Phil had most postions set up expect LB..
This year seems to be CB/RG.
Where he has these guys rated in unknown..but I can say with a good bit of logic he will approach similar to last year when he felt he had to move up to get DQ.
Picking this high in the second he shouldn't have to move up to get anyone unless he wants Ross..
I could see the possibilty of him trading up to get Ross. But there will be a lot of talent in positions of need for us without having to move up as you pretty much stated.. But,if we do get a trade down with extra second or more round pick,I could see that trade up as a far more likely possibility to get Ross if Phil really wants him.
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With as many CB's as there are I expect that run to start in the second..
Well,we're pretty close there. I just think it may slide up just a tad because of the outlandish prices of signing CB's in the FA market this year. I mean when you look at the cost of quality CB's verses your cap in regards to the Clements contract,it may make that run move up just a tad to the late first is my fear. If so,there may not be a lot of value there at our position in round 2.
But the way I see it,one of the top G's in the league,Stenbach got a little over 40 mil.......Clements got 80 mil. Now given that,if you had good quality at both positions on the draft board,which would be your priority first out of those two positions from a business standpoint? I mean if you have to leave a hole on your team given those two options,wouldn't it be the one you can fill in FA next year at almost half the cost? JMHO So that's my reasoning as to why G's will fall before CB's. Purely financial.
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Oh BTW they are looking at several OT's outside of Thomas..3 ..
Oh I'm quite sure they are. I don't claim to say that the Browns are focused on Thomas,hell,how would I know that?  And even if they are,whose to say Thomas won't go to Detroit. Honestly,I feel he's good enough that somebody may want to trade up to get Thomas.
But you have to have plans A,B,and C before draft day. And even a second or third round LT could likeley be better than Shaffer before the end of this year. But there are no Marcus McNeills in this draft. So I don't see it being worth the investment before rounds 3 or later. A project with athletic ability,good feet and decent technique,you've got a legitimate shot at a long term back up of decent quality at least,who may eventualy be a legit LT,but you know the odds there. However,worst case scenario,if you get a guy with athletic ability,the chances are,he can develop into quality depth at the G position.
Not my perfect scenario by any means,but we have a lot of needs and they can't all be addressed in one draft.
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But the way I see it,one of the top G's in the league,Stenbach got a little over 40 mil.......Clements got 80 mil. Now given that,if you had good quality at both positions on the draft board,which would be your priority first out of those two positions from a business standpoint? I mean if you have to leave a hole on your team given those two options,wouldn't it be the one you can fill in FA next year at almost half the cost? JMHO So that's my reasoning as to why G's will fall before CB's. Purely financial.
That's a GREAT piont that I never would have thought of.
man, you are pretty smart ain't ya
and I am not joking about the statement, it is a real good one.
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