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Let's assume that Hoyer is done for the year.
If you are the Browns brass right now, have you seen enough from Hoyer to refrain from going after one of the top-tier QBs in the draft?
Or do you think the vision is to draft a top-tier QB prospect regardless how Hoyer plays and he is just a stop gap?
My feeling is that Weeden is not a part of the long term plan.
Curious what everyone thinks.
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Hoyer is/was a Band-Aid. The Browns must go after a top QB in next year's draft.
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Hoyer is/was a Band-Aid. The Browns must go after a top QB in next year's draft.
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Let's assume that Hoyer is done for the year.
If you are the Browns brass right now, have you seen enough from Hoyer to refrain from going after one of the top-tier QBs in the draft?
Or do you think the vision is to draft a top-tier QB prospect regardless how Hoyer plays and he is just a stop gap?
My feeling is that Weeden is not a part of the long term plan.
Curious what everyone thinks.
I'm still not 100% convinced that Hoyer was the long term answer. I've loved watching him play and would love to see more. But to me, at this point, if he's out for the year, you go after a prospect in the draft and keep Hoyer (if he can come back) as your #2. You dump Campbell and Trade or Cut Weeden during the off season.
That would be my plan if I had to make that decision TODAY. But Weeden may have a shot at making me rethink that depending on how he does this season. That's assuming he starts the rest of the year.
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Who knows, we might not be in a position to draft a QB. Lombardi doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is going to take a QB just because he feels pressure to do it. He strikes me as the guy who will take one if he feels they are worth it. He could have easily taken Geno Smith or EJ Manual this past season and declined on both, twice on Smith.
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You have to keep looking for your franchise QB.
Even if you already have a franchise QB, you should always keep looking for the next one...
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I think they will draft a high QB, if only because that is the surest and most obvious way for the new FO to put their "stamp" on the organization.
Personally, I would get more pieces and take a lower-slotted QB and let him develop for a year. Another WR, a guard or two, a decent RB, and another corner would give us a team that could win with an average QB.
I have very vivid recall of how many people were so hot to sell the farm in order to draft either Mark (Butt-fumble) Sanchez, Sam (never over .500) Bradford, or even RG (blown knee) 3.
Also, I would like to see Hoyer get another shot. Even Weedon, with a better line, a good RB, a better #2 WR, and this defense with another year in scheme, IMO could get us pretty far.
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I'm not 100% on board with Freeman, because of the whispers of him having drug problems, but I would at least kick the tires.
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Hoyer is/was a Band-Aid. The Browns must go after a top QB in next year's draft.
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I'm not 100% on board with Freeman, because of the whispers of him having drug problems
Him and Josh Gordon will get along great. 
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Mariotta or McCarron as a Brown next year. You can just about bank on it. Regardless whether Hoyer got hurt or not, or is out for the season or not. We are definitely drafting a franchise QB.
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Freeman's and Gordon's drug issues aren't in the same area code. Even if you don't believe his excuse, Freeman's situation will be forgotten in a couple weeks. He has a prescription and took the wrong prescription. Gordon smokes a ton of pot. Big difference.
If Hoyer is really doneso, I say grab Freeman on a show-me contract. I don't think he will be worse than Weeden, and the change of scenery might make for a huge turnaround.
If the FO is thinking of making a push for the playoffs instead of being in full evaluation mode, I just don't see how Weeden is your guy.
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Freeman's and Gordon's drug issues aren't in the same area code. Even if you don't believe his excuse, Freeman's situation will be forgotten in a couple weeks. He has a prescription and took the wrong prescription. Gordon smokes a ton of pot. Big difference.
If Hoyer is really doneso, I say grab Freeman on a show-me contract. I don't think he will be worse than Weeden, and the change of scenery might make for a huge turnaround.
If the FO is thinking of making a push for the playoffs instead of being in full evaluation mode, I just don't see how Weeden is your guy.
hahahahahaha Josh Freemans drug problem is way worse than Josh Gordons.
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I think they will draft a high QB, if only because that is the surest and most obvious way for the new FO to put their "stamp" on the organization.
Nelson, I agree with your premise, but if they think Hoyer can be/is the guy, then he IS their stamp on the organization. Lombardi touted him before he was a Brown and the Browns brought him in, moved him from #3 to starter. If it works out, that's a good stamp, in my opinion.
All that being said, I still look for them to take a QB high in the draft. Perhaps they allow the rookie to sit for a year under Hoyer. If Hoyer shows for a whole year, what he showed flashes of this year, then we have a Brees/Rivers situation. Of course, knowing the Browns, we'll end up with a Bad/Worse situation!
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Let's assume that Hoyer is done for the year.
If you are the Browns brass right now, have you seen enough from Hoyer to refrain from going after one of the top-tier QBs in the draft?
Or do you think the vision is to draft a top-tier QB prospect regardless how Hoyer plays and he is just a stop gap?
My feeling is that Weeden is not a part of the long term plan.
Curious what everyone thinks.
Are you REALLY asking us what we think or are you indirectly asking us what you think the Browns FO will do?
If it's the former, I think we draft a QB somewhere. As I'm not sure what the total number of picks and where they will all be is at this time, I don't know what I might consider at this point.
If it's the latter, I think they're going to see how Hoyer's recovery goes. They like the kid and they'll probably look at bringing him back, if for no other reason to push for the starting QB spot. They may take a look at a QB somewhere in the draft but I really don't think it'll be in the first round. Plus, it seems that they'll be signing another QB sometime in the very near future.
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Hoyer is/was a Band-Aid. The Browns must go after a top QB in next year's draft.
I agree - even with how well he was playing I'd figure we'd take a qb in the first....still do
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Here's to Brandon Weeden lighting it up the rest of the way, Maybe he does just enough to get this team in the playoff hunt. We all know what this front office thinks of him anyway. Then our FO can trade him while he's at his peak value.  We get another middle round pick and let Hoyer and our QB of the future become our depth at the position in the years to come. I don't know, I just don't know. Trying to make lemonade out of lemons I guess.
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Weeden now officially has 11 games to take some major, and I mean MAJOR, strides... In fact, I'm not sure there is much, short of a Flacco like performance late in the postseason that he could do to save his job...
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1. Hoyer needs to heal, he's our back-up or Starter next year.
2. Draft a Franchise QB next year, if he can start right away great if not we have Hoyer.
3. Postion ourself in the draft we have two first round picks use them to pick a franchise QB or use them to move up and get a franchise QB.
4. Trade Weeden..
5. DO NOT SIGN FREEMAN.....
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1. Hoyer needs to heal, he's our back-up or Starter next year.
2. Draft a Franchise QB next year, if he can start right away great if not we have Hoyer.
3. Postion ourself in the draft we have two first round picks use them to pick a franchise QB or use them to move up and get a franchise QB.
4. Trade Weeden..
5. DO NOT SIGN FREEMAN.....
That's ideal Clay.. I agree with every word...
In a perfect world, it goes like this for me... in the offseason we trade Weeden for a mid-late round pick or a ham sandwich, whatever we can get, then we move up to pick our QB of choice.. we go into next year and Hoyer gets the start and lights it up and we end up with a Drew Brees/Philip Rivers situation... Yes, I just compared Hoyer to Drew Brees...
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I think he'll be a free agent, no?
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I think he'll be a free agent, no?
After 2 seasons? I'm pretty sure Weeden got more than a 2 year deal.
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You have to keep looking for your franchise QB.
Even if you already have a franchise QB, you should always keep looking for the next one...
My feeling as well. If you have 2 franchise guys, then you have tremendous assets. Heck, if you have a franchise guy and another guy who is just perceived to be a franchise guy, then you have a tremendous asset. QBs who are seen as potential franchise guys always have massive value. They can always be traded for value. Teams will always give up "too much" for such a guy. Plus, if you "have to" go through a season with 2 such guys, you are covered if the worst happens and you lose the starter to injury.
I'd love to have a pair of franchise QBs and have to decide which one to keep. Man that would be a great change.
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He's talking about the sandwich, not the QB.
Actually, I am pretty sure that the ORIGINAL ham sandwich actually IS a free agent right now.
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You have to keep looking for your franchise QB.
Even if you already have a franchise QB, you should always keep looking for the next one...
My feeling as well. If you have 2 franchise guys, then you have tremendous assets. Heck, if you have a franchise guy and another guy who is just perceived to be a franchise guy, then you have a tremendous asset. QBs who are seen as potential franchise guys always have massive value. They can always be traded for value. Teams will always give up "too much" for such a guy. Plus, if you "have to" go through a season with 2 such guys, you are covered if the worst happens and you lose the starter to injury.
I'd love to have a pair of franchise QBs and have to decide which one to keep. Man that would be a great change.
I don't really understand this line of thinking as it's not consistent with any other team in the NFL. Every team in the NFL that has a franchise QB doesn't go looking for another one. That makes no sense at all. And the beauty of it is once you have that guy, you get to focus on every other area of the team.
The only time I see a team drafting a QB when they already have a franchise guy is when they think that guy's career is winding down. Why would you always be looking for a franchise guy when you already have a franchise guy?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Weeden now officially has 11 games to take some major, and I mean MAJOR, strides... In fact, I'm not sure there is much, short of a Flacco like performance late in the postseason that he could do to save his job...
He doesn't even have to save his job .... here ...... I hope that he plays well enough to create value for him in a trade.
With as many as 4-6 QB expected to come out in the 1st 2 rounds of the next draft, it's probably going to be hard to trade a QB for value ..... but if Weeden improves and leads ud to the playoffs, or to the verge of the playoffs, that may be enough to get him a shot elsewhere, and us value in a trade.
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So you are saying that if Weeds takes us to the playoffs, we should trade him and draft a rookie? Really?
Has anybody else watched us FAIL to get that franchise guy for 20 friggin' years?
People are talking like this is as easy as picking a Big Mac at McDonalds.
I think we are very, very close to having a team that is good enough, complete enough, to win with a generic, avg QB. Five picks in the first three could make this a team with a lot of strengths and no weaknesses.
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So you are saying that if Weeds takes us to the playoffs, we should trade him and draft a rookie? Really?
Has anybody else watched us FAIL to get that franchise guy for 20 friggin' years?
People are talking like this is as easy as picking a Big Mac at McDonalds.
I think we are very, very close to having a team that is good enough, complete enough, to win with a generic, avg QB. Five picks in the first three could make this a team with a lot of strengths and no weaknesses.
Weeden is worse than average, though. Hoyer was playing like an average QB, so I kind of agree with you. With an abysmal QB like Weeden, I don't think we have a chance to make the playoffs or even finish .500.
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I think he'll be a free agent, no?
After 2 seasons? I'm pretty sure Weeden got more than a 2 year deal.
I was talking about the sandwich. 
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That's assuming he can stay healthy. If he doesn't start getting rid of the ball, he WILL be hurt. Then we can look forward to Jason I-don't-feel-like-playing-this-week Campbell. Unless we get someone else :cough: Freeman :cough: in here.
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My prediction is we finish 6-10 or 7-9, bundle our two first round picks and maybe other picks to get into the #3 or #4 spot and take Taj Boyd. Boom.
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I don't know about long term, but short term this seems like a pretty good fit -- Brett Favre could play in the NFL right now, says his agent.
And Favre is still a couple years younger than Weeden.
I'd rather have Elway. Maybe Staubach.
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As I said in the gameday thread...Archie Manning. He can obviously mentor young QB's.
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I don't really understand this line of thinking as it's not consistent with any other team in the NFL. Every team in the NFL that has a franchise QB doesn't go looking for another one. That makes no sense at all. And the beauty of it is once you have that guy, you get to focus on every other area of the team.
Case in point, Alex Smith and the 49er's, right?
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Brees-Rivers
Brady-Mallett
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Freeman-Glennon (I know)
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I'm not sure what your point is, but those are not good examples of teams "looking" for a franchise QB (other than the Rivers pick).
Mallett, Jones, and Glennon were all mid to late round picks and not considered future franchise QBs.
The Chargers drafted Rivers because Brees hadn't panned out. 41 year old Doug Flutie was getting playing time over him. The year Rivers got drafted Brees blew up and became a star.
(If I am not understanding your post I apoligize.)
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