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Ugh. I can feel the excitement being sucked from this fanbase with this announcement. I certainly feel it in myself. We just can't catch a break.
What do you mean? We catch plenty of breaks. Courtney Brown's broken knees, Couch's shoulder, Winslow's body in general, Hoyer's knee... There are plenty of others over the past 14 years. 
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_browns_brian_hoyer_k.html#incart_2boxCLEVELAND, Ohio - Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer suffered a season-ending ACL injury to his right knee in Thursday night's win over Buffalo, and is out for the season, coach Rob Chudzinski said this afternoon. Hoyer will undergo surgery soon and then begin the long process of returning to the football field. "I just got word back on the MRI for Brian Hoyer. It is a torn ACL that will require surgery," Chudzinski said in a noon teleconference with reporters. "There is no other damage besides the ACL. Obviously he'll be out for the season." Torn ACLs are usually about a nine- to 12-month recovery process. "Obviously he's disappointed, but he's already thinking about coming back,'' said Chudzinski. "I think it's hard on him. But he's such a positive guy. He's going to make it back. He's already overcome a number of obstacles.'' Hoyer hurt the knee on a scramble during the first quarter of the Browns' 37-24 victory at FirstEnergy Stadium. Hoyer hobbled out of the stadium on crutches and wearing a full brace on his right leg and didn't put any weight on it. At halftime of the game, Chudzinski told Browns staff members that he feared it could be an ACL. And overnight, multiple media reports said that the Browns were fearing a torn ACL. Should the Browns sign free-agent QB Josh Freeman? Vote and offer your reason why! Chudzinski also said this afternoon that defensive lineman Desmond Bryant is fine after being taken to Cleveland Clinic on Thursday night with an irregular heartbeat and shortness of breath and is expected to play Oct. 13 against Detroit. Also, running back Chris Ogbonnaya has a concussion and will be out until he goes through the NFL's concussion protocol. The Browns put on a thrilling performance in Hoyer's absence Thursday, pulling away with Brandon Weeden at quarterback for the victory, their third straight. It improved the Browns to 3-2 and all alone in first in the AFC North. "We definitely don't want to see any teammates go down like that, especially Hoyer, man,'' Browns receiver Josh Gordon said after the game. "It was heartbreaking. He's a great guy. I hope he comes back healthy. Deflated? No, if anything it fired us up, because we had to bounce back from it. People were expecting great things from this team, and we just couldn't hold our heads down and quit from that point and let everybody down, so we had to come out here and prove something.'' Weeden, who practiced only one full day this week after recovering from his sprained thumb, put on a gutsy performance in relief after losing his starting job to Hoyer. He threw a crucial 37-yard touchdown pass to Gordon in the third quarter. Weeden finished 13-of-24 for 197 yards and the one TD pass. He was also sacked five times. But the Browns scored the final 20 points of the game, and Weeden produced 13 of them. Weeden was standing right in front Hoyer when he slid after an 11-yard scramble on the second drive, and was drilled helmet-to-helmet by rookie linebacker Kiki Alonso. Hoyer's left leg got pinned underneath him and then he apparently hyperextended the right one. He winced in pain and then was helped off. After a few minutes on the sidelines, he limped to the locker room, grimacing the whole 50 yards to the tunnel. At halftime, Weeden -- who learned Wednesday he'd be the backup -- came into the locker room to see how Hoyer was doing, and wished him luck. "I hope the best for him,'' Weeden said Thursday night. "He was playing great. He was playing outstanding, doing some great things for this offense and you hate to see it because he's a teammate and friend and he was playing really well to help this team win.'' After the game, long after Hoyer could have left the stadium and been at home resting, he was still in the locker room to cheer on his teammates. "He's a team guy,'' said Weeden. "He wanted to be there, and that says a lot about him and the character he has. I can't really put it into words. It's a tough situation.''
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Ugh. I can feel the excitement being sucked from this fanbase with this announcement. I certainly feel it in myself. We just can't catch a break.
Screw that, I say we go kick Detroit's ass for them. GO BROWNS! 
Then Chicago.
Then Green Bay
Then the Chiefs.
Then the rats.
Then see how excited you are. 
cal i hate to say it but that looks like 4 straight losses to me with weeden as qb....
I know it looks that way, especially through the eyes of a battered Browns fan. But believe it or now, we can compete with every team on that list. Contain Reggie Bush and pressure Stafford, and we're in that game. Pressure Cutler, contain Forte, cause Cutler to make mistakes and don't turn the ball over, we're in that game. Pressure Rogers, force some turnovers, we're in that game. Chiefs are probably our toughest opponent, IMO, so we need just about a perfect game and lots of points but they can be beat too. The rats are beatable, no doubt in my mind. I have faith in the guys and I have faith in the coaches. Honestly, Weeden scares the $#!% outta me, but he needs to pull it together or freakin' retire. So I'm looking forward to these next four games, and am not going to be surprised when we win more than our share. JMHO
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Ugh. I can feel the excitement being sucked from this fanbase with this announcement. I certainly feel it in myself. We just can't catch a break.
Screw that, I say we go kick Detroit's ass for them. GO BROWNS!
Then Chicago.
Then Green Bay
Then the Chiefs.
Then the rats.
Then see how excited you are.
cal i hate to say it but that looks like 4 straight losses to me with weeden as qb....
I know it looks that way, especially through the eyes of a battered Browns fan. But believe it or now, we can compete with every team on that list. Contain Reggie Bush and pressure Stafford, and we're in that game. Pressure Cutler, contain Forte, cause Cutler to make mistakes and don't turn the ball over, we're in that game. Pressure Rogers, force some turnovers, we're in that game. Chiefs are probably our toughest opponent, IMO, so we need just about a perfect game and lots of points but they can be beat too. The rats are beatable, no doubt in my mind. I have faith in the guys and I have faith in the coaches. Honestly, Weeden scares the $#!% outta me, but he needs to pull it together or freakin' retire. So I'm looking forward to these next four games, and am not going to be surprised when we win more than our share. JMHO
I wish i could share your optimism, but i just dont see it. Jordan cameron mind as well be a statue because with weeden in there he just doesnt have the kind of effect he does when hoyer is in there. The whole offense looks stagnant and pathetic. This sucks.......this really sucks...man i was thinking we would win at least 8 with hoyer.....this is bs.....so sick of this crap always happening to us........i just cant be cheered up about this.......
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Ugh. I can feel the excitement being sucked from this fanbase with this announcement. I certainly feel it in myself. We just can't catch a break.
Screw that, I say we go kick Detroit's ass for them. GO BROWNS!
Then Chicago.
Then Green Bay
Then the Chiefs.
Then the rats.
Then see how excited you are.
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Chudzinski also said this afternoon that defensive lineman Desmond Bryant is fine after being taken to Cleveland Clinic on Thursday night with an irregular heartbeat and shortness of breath and is expected to play Oct. 13 against Detroit.
That's the best part of this entire thread.
And the next head coach is ......
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"I hope the best for him,'' Weeden said Thursday night. "He was playing great. He was playing outstanding, doing some great things for this offense and you hate to see it because he's a teammate and friend and he was playing really well to help this team win.''
After the game, long after Hoyer could have left the stadium and been at home resting, he was still in the locker room to cheer on his teammates.
"He's a team guy,'' said Weeden. "He wanted to be there, and that says a lot about him and the character he has. I can't really put it into words. It's a tough situation.''
This sounds like a very different Brandon Weeden than was being trashed in the "don't get hurt" thread.
I guess people really are a bit more layered and complex than we sometimes credit them.
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Let's hope this maturity transfers ON to the field.
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Clem,
Let's hope this maturity transfers ON to the field.
yeah......we can only hope......but i dont see it happening
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slick, I'm willing to give him a chance. Let's remember that he came in cold last night and he if can improve with Gordon in the line up (like was suggested). 
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I'm willing to give him a chance. Let's remember that he came in cold last night and he if can improve with Gordon in the line up (like was suggested).
i dont think he will. he keeps holding onto the ball all day long......its almost like he refuses to throw it away...
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If he keeps getting hit, he'll have no choice but to learn. 
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Layered? Or, was he told about how his previous comments turned people off? All I know is this. I was extremely deflated when Hoyer was injured. I was so excited for that game and it was like all the air was sucked out of me. I think the crowd and the players reacted the same way. Thank God for Benjamin's returns. It reignited the team and the crowd. Weeden wasn't awful last night and he even made some nice throws, but he doesn't excite me. I feel as our chances just went down the drain. Hope Weeden proves me wrong. On another level.........I feel just awful for Hoyer. This poor kid hasn't caught many breaks. Just when he is getting the chance to prove himself---and succeeding---he gets an injury that will knock him out for 9 to 12 months? Man, that poor kid. 
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I was bumming when he came in and while he was in I was uneasy, but, those two long passes helped win that game. It was ugly, and I admit he was cold, but he did not turn it over and he score.
The sacks are n him, he has got to get rid of the ball. It was his fault more than not on those sacks last night.
Hoyer just was so smooth, I think I got spoiled. I'm going to let Weeden have 10 days to prepare for the Lions, then make a judgement. He has had camp, and he has started. If he really wants this team to be "his", now is the time to step up.
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If he really wants this team to be "his", now is the time to step up.
No doubt.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer suffered a season-ending ACL injury to his right knee in Thursday night's win over Buffalo, and is out for the season, coach Rob Chudzinski said this afternoon.
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer suffered a season-ending ACL injury to his right knee in Thursday night's win over Buffalo, and is out for the season, coach Rob Chudzinski said this afternoon.
Who?
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If he keeps getting hit, he'll have no choice but to learn.
that's what I said after week 1. really you would think so??????
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Let's hope this maturity transfers ON to the field.
yeah......we can only hope......but i dont see it happening
It already happened. We won the game last night in case you missed it.
Deflating news for Hoyer and the Browns, but I still am astonished how incredibly overrated Hoyer is among Fans. Posters acting as if we Lost Tom Brady for the season. Fan perception is way off when it comes to QBs, Browns Bords Are Proof for that These days.
Get well Brian! I hope he is fully healthy next TC, he has value
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The unfortunate thing for Hoyer is he may not ever get a chance again to be the starter for the Browns, or a starter period. Weeden is clearly not in the plans of the FO and because of that, and Hoyer's too small of a sample size, next spring we will be looking to draft a QB. Hoyer's play for the rest of the season, if it was good enough, would have been the only way we wouldn't have used our two first rounders (and others possibly) to do what it takes to get a QB in my opinion. A long shot sure, but the best opportunity Hoyer ever had and may ever get.
Once this team drafts a QB, it will focus all the time and effort towards him- and justifiably so.
Not only does this injury effect Hoyer this year, but it may have also determined his career path only as a backup QB. This year was the best shot he would have had...it's a shame for the hometown guy.
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I don't take it as a given that this front office drafts a QB in the first round. I think that they value those picks more than to use a high one on an over-hyped or overrated QB.
If there was a QB like Andrew Luck in the draft, they might draft him if he was available, but I don't think that they would necessarily trade up to get him.
My guess is that they will identify key positions where they want to upgrade and primarily grade the prospects at them. Secondarily, they'll grade players at the other positions. Then when the draft is approaching, they'll slot the players and go from there.
I don't think that Banner & Co. will be compelled to surrender picks to get a particular player. If a player that they like falls to them, they'll take the player if he's the highest slotted player on their board.
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Layered? Or, was he told about how his previous comments turned people off?
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All I know is this. I was extremely deflated when Hoyer was injured. I was so excited for that game and it was like all the air was sucked out of me. I think the crowd and the players reacted the same way. Thank God for Benjamin's returns. It reignited the team and the crowd.
Weeden wasn't awful last night and he even made some nice throws, but he doesn't excite me. I feel as our chances just went down the drain. Hope Weeden proves me wrong.
On another level.........I feel just awful for Hoyer. This poor kid hasn't caught many breaks. Just when he is getting the chance to prove himself---and succeeding---he gets an injury that will knock him out for 9 to 12 months? Man, that poor kid.
Agreed, in full. It was the perfect scenario for a "coming out game." His personal backstory (hometown kid, perennial backup,) made the game even more compelling. Can he do it in front of the home crowd? It was almost like a movie script. My heart broke a little for him when I saw him lying there on the sidelines.... it really did.
I was tremendously entertained with last night's game, both before and after Hoyer's injury. You saw the air get sucked out of 70K+ people- all at once. You saw the team absorb the body blow and stagger. Then, you saw individuals simply make the choice to not lose... and started stepping up like men. Real men. The "odd man out QB" with no practice comes in, and helps in the cause; they players all help each other as a team... and the game gets iced with a D exclamation point! In the end, fans got to see touchdowns by all three squads, some tough, spirited play everywhere, and a game that was won by a total team effort.
More drama and entertainment than you can almost stand. That game had it ALL!
Vers: here's my biggest takeaway from last night's game: this team showed me what it was made of. These are not the same Browns that Cleveland fans are used to seeing. Adversity revealed their character last night... and I couldn't have been prouder of them all.
Having said that, I'll add this: we fans can play point/counterpoint about individual players, talent levels, strength-of-schedule etc all we want, but we can't measure or quantify a person's will to win. After what I saw last night, I don't give an automatic "W" to any team the Browns play. And I'm confident I'll be watching some entertaining, competitive games against each of them. It stinks that Hoyer's out- it really does, but the best and only way this team can honor his contributions is to keep making the season worthwhile.
These Browns are actually WORTH cheering for... and they're still writing their story. I'm having a blast watching all this play out, no matter how it all ends. How long has it been since we've all been able to say that? I mean really: It's October, and the Browns are in first place! Who's writing this script? 
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I think that the difference between this year and other years is that this coaching staff expects them to go out and give their all, and to win. They do everything they can to help the players on the team win. They try to put them in the best position to win.
I have had the feeling, with some previous coaching staffs, (like Shurmur) that they hoped to win. They played it safe ... hoping that they would get a break here or there, never realizing that winner make their own breaks. This coaching staff seems to know that you make your own breaks. This staff never lets the players think that they can't win. That was obvious in the Vikings game. I truly believe that this same team would have laid down to die if Shurmur was still the head coach. He just didn;t understand how to motivate players, and how to develop leaders among the team. Does anyone think that DQ would have felt like he could stand up before the team and "peel the paint off the walls" like he reportedly did if Shurmur was still the head coach? Shurmur was more of a cold and analytical coach. Chud is more emotional and passionate. I love seeing him on the sidelines working the crowd while still coaching his team.
I do think that emotion has a place in the pro game. I think that players can play above their levels, but they have to be physically, mentally and emotionally peaked to do so. I think that Chud knows how to do this well.
I think it;s funny that people have this vision of Chud as this nice guy who is this nice, quiet guy ..... but I have read articles that have said that he can really lay into the players when they deserve it. Whatever he does seems to be working.
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The unfortunate thing for Hoyer is he may not ever get a chance again to be the starter for the Browns, or a starter period. Weeden is clearly not in the plans of the FO and because of that, and Hoyer's too small of a sample size, next spring we will be looking to draft a QB. Hoyer's play for the rest of the season, if it was good enough, would have been the only way we wouldn't have used our two first rounders (and others possibly) to do what it takes to get a QB in my opinion. A long shot sure, but the best opportunity Hoyer ever had and may ever get.
Once this team drafts a QB, it will focus all the time and effort towards him- and justifiably so.
Not only does this injury effect Hoyer this year, but it may have also determined his career path only as a backup QB. This year was the best shot he would have had...it's a shame for the hometown guy.
sad but true. if we draft a rookie qb, which we will...they may want the kid to start right out the gate....
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Well said Clem. I was embarrassed and angry at the same time when I heard the boos. Now the same guys who did this say on here that they have a right to do it, if they play bad and would cheer if they win, but despite this claim they still continue the hate on Weeden. Basically, After he DID what they wanted him to do, they're complaining that he didnt Look Good doing it. Somehow they expect perfection from him. The comment after taking the lead with a FG in the chat really summed all of this up: when was the last time the Browns scored back to back TDs. Hilarious. Anyway, I found a nugget in an article that I found a little discomforting regarding the QB position: "Chudzinski said at his Friday press conference that he has not spoken to CEO Joe Banner about how the team will address the quarterback position. Jason Campbell also is on the roster." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-seasonWhy should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
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Well said Clem. I was embarrassed and angry at the same time when I heard the boos. Now the same guys who did this say on here that they have a right to do it, if they play bad and would cheer if they win, but despite this claim they still continue the hate on Weeden. Basically, After he DID what they wanted him to do, they're complaining that he didnt Look Good doing it. Somehow they expect perfection from him. The comment after taking the lead with a FG in the chat really summed all of this up: when was the last time the Browns scored back to back TDs. Hilarious.
Anyway, I found a nugget in an article that I found a little discomforting regarding the QB position:
"Chudzinski said at his Friday press conference that he has not spoken to CEO Joe Banner about how the team will address the quarterback position. Jason Campbell also is on the roster."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-season
Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
Address can mean "Who are we going to look to bring in as the 3rd QB?"
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Anyway, I found a nugget in an article that I found a little discomforting regarding the QB position:
"Chudzinski said at his Friday press conference that he has not spoken to CEO Joe Banner about how the team will address the quarterback position. Jason Campbell also is on the roster."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-season
Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
Since there are now only two QBs' on the roster, I am sure that they feel the need to fill that void.. The coach and FO would need to be on the same page for that.. and if another player is brought in, the FO would need to be the one to negotiate his contract.. or do you think that Chud should do that as well?
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Well said Clem. I was embarrassed and angry at the same time when I heard the boos. Now the same guys who did this say on here that they have a right to do it, if they play bad and would cheer if they win, but despite this claim they still continue the hate on Weeden. Basically, After he DID what they wanted him to do, they're complaining that he didnt Look Good doing it. Somehow they expect perfection from him. The comment after taking the lead with a FG in the chat really summed all of this up: when was the last time the Browns scored back to back TDs. Hilarious.
Anyway, I found a nugget in an article that I found a little discomforting regarding the QB position:
"Chudzinski said at his Friday press conference that he has not spoken to CEO Joe Banner about how the team will address the quarterback position. Jason Campbell also is on the roster."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...f-browns-season
Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
Address can mean "Who are we going to look to bring in as the 3rd QB?"
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... he has not spoken to CEO Joe Banner about how the team will address the quarterback position...Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
Well, according to some posters, that was always the way we used to do things...
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Not in DJ's world. If he ain't slamming the FO, he ain't breathing. 
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Great post. Silence is golden. I looked like this after third Weeden sack.
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Not in DJ's world. If he ain't slamming the FO, he ain't breathing.
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Why should the HC ask the FO who is going to play?
I doubt very much that it was regarding who would play, but rather if, and whom, they might add to the roster given Hoyer is gone for the season. They made up their minds to have three QB's on the roster and now they're down to two.
Do we add a QB? If so, who is available and of those who can we get?
It think that is what was meant by, "how the team will address the quarterback position", not asking Joe who should play.
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What an outright shame. Local kid gets his shot on his home town team, makes the most of it surprising everyone, has two very good games and then blows a knee. Thus ending his shot at anything more than a backup role here in Cleveland. It flat out sucks. And one can see why some believe there's a curse on this team. I don't believe in such things, but it's no wonder the superstitious amongst us feel that way. Unfrackingbelievable.
I was hoping that after playing the remainder of the season, Hoyer would prove himself enough we could stick with him. We could use those first round picks on other areas of need. Like a running back that we no longer have for instance...
However, we can't pass on a quarterback in next years draft based off two games. We must draft a quarterback in April. Once we do, that player(whomever it is) will be the man. Period. You don't draft a franchise QB then sit his ass waiting to see if Hoyer can be the man. Hoyer, if he's still a Brown, will be a backup. Period. ONE play and it ended his dream. Again, that really sucks.
You can argue over who's next and what's going to happen the rest of the way, but it all comes down to a kids dream dying on that one play.... and quite possibly this teams season as well.
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I think this can work out long term in a way more beneficial to cleveland than anyone imagines... It's not a lock but this is a definite reality we can see:
April: Draft QB of the future in 1st round
Sept: Let Hoyer run the team while we groom the QB
Hoyer is on a 2 year deal so at the end of the 2014 season you can quietly let him go to FA and you put the draft QB up there, free of QB controversy and a year of learning the pro game/running the team two offense under his belt.
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