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Ohio State scores 60 and wins by 25 and it's called a mundane and uninspiring performance. Alabama scores 20 and wins by 14 and not one negative word is uttered by the national media. Miss. St. is the same team that S. Carolina destroyed a couple of weeks ago and other teams have beaten up.
Double standards.
It sends a bad message.
Like, yeah, if you think Alabama, and FSU are better, than just say you like them better, but to judge them on what Illinois did when they were down 3 or 4 touchdowns is really stupid.
This year would be such an awesome setup with the playoff though.
You have Baylor @ Alabama and Ohio State @ FSU. Winners meet up some time after that. Ratings would be through the roof.
I bet next year you get one undefeated and 4 or 5 one lossers, and a whole giant mess.
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Yeah, Dave and I were talking about this earlier. Assuming they all go undefeated, that four team playoff would have been incredible.
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I bet next year you get one undefeated and 4 or 5 one lossers, and a whole giant mess.
Probably. But it's more acceptable to pick 4 of 5 to get into a playoff than picking 2 of 4. The chance of missing a deserving team drops.
I have a feeling Bama and FSU won't lose the rest of the way.
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Probably. But it's more acceptable to pick 4 of 5 to get into a playoff than picking 2 of 4. The chance of missing a deserving team drops.
I have a feeling Bama and FSU won't lose the rest of the way.
Yeah, I can't see it. Auburn may give Bama a good game, but I don't think they have the offense to score with Bama.
And FSU could play Duke in the mighty ACC title game. DUKE.
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I don't like the BCS or committee system. Too much bias involved. Take the major conferences - sec, big10, big12 pac12, acc (that is 5, thought there were 6. am I missing anybody?) and their champions get in. Then use whatever system you want BCS formula, committee whatever and pick the next top teams to round it out to 8. I would make one of those be the top team not in an automatic bid then the next 2 top teams regarless of conference affiliation.
That gives you:
4 games on NY day. What a wonderful football day. (I haven't watched NY day football in year's. The games are so meaninglessI can't tolerate them.) Then 2 games the next Saturday a t least a full week later, then the championship either the next week or the Saturday before superbowl Sunday. Only extends the the season 2-3 wks and only adds 2 additional games for the championship participants.
Increases the number of meaningful regular season games.
Brings back the importance of rivalries. My two favorite teams used to be Ohio St and whoever was playing Michigan. Now I have to root for Michigan so that when we beat them we get more computer points.
Eliminates (or at least minimizes) conference bias in the selection process as each conferences champion gets in. If you are in a really tough conference you could end up with 2 losses and have no chance of getting in, whereas a team from a lesser conference could be undefeated and not get in. Not under my system.
Tremendously cuts down on controversy. Didn't get in but thought you should have? Hey, all you had to do was win your conference and you would have been in. Sorry about your luck. Then the champion is really decided on the field
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I bet next year you get one undefeated and 4 or 5 one lossers, and a whole giant mess.
Probably. But it's more acceptable to pick 4 of 5 to get into a playoff than picking 2 of 4. The chance of missing a deserving team drops.
I have a feeling Bama and FSU won't lose the rest of the way.
Yeah, I can't see it. Auburn may give Bama a good game, but I don't think they have the offense to score with Bama.
And FSU could play Duke in the mighty ACC title game. DUKE.
Auburn has the firepower to score with anyone. their defense is suspect. But they run out of that crazy spread. They don't throw it a whole lot, but can if needed. It's incredible what a job malzhan has done. If it wasn't for former arkansas qb mitch mustain, gus may never got a chance. This guy was coaching high school ball in 05.
But I agree with you on that committee. Keep the computers, but keep the politics, and the human element out.
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J/c... I'm watching Louisville/Houston. Bridgewater finished the first quarter 7/8 for 66 yards, but he only completed one pass to a moving target beyond the line of scrimmage. It was a seven yard slant and the receiver (Parker) had to jump to catch it.
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Like, yeah, if you think Alabama, and FSU are better, than just say you like them better, but to judge them on what Illinois did when they were down 3 or 4 touchdowns is really stupid.
It was an 11-point game with 9 minutes left in the fourth. That's why people don't give OSU as much respect as other teams. Illinois is a horrible team. There's no reason it should've been a two-score game in the fourth quarter. It shouldn't have ever been a two-score game once OSU was up by three scores.
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Interesting tidbit, as this is the second Houston game in a row I've seen. Their last three QBs have been Kolb, Case (Keenum), and O'Korn. Is somebody playing a joke?
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Ok, I think that went over my head. How does Case fit in with corn on the cob?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It doesn't... I just couldn't ignore him so I was picturing a case of Kolbs o' Korn.
Bridgewater's second complete pass to a moving target beyond the line of scrimmage occurred with 6:10 left in the second quarter. It was for a four yard gain to a receiver going out of bounds on 3rd and 12.
One player that has caught my eye in these two Houston games (vs UCF and Louisville) is their FS #23. He plays centerfield most of the time but also covers well in the slot. He's tough and he anticipates well. He had an INT on a slant on the goal line vs UCF and forced/recovered a fumble on a punt vs. Louisville.
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I looked at it 3 ways:
Kolb Case. (Cold case)
Case O'Korn (Case of corn)
O'Korn Kolb (Corn cob)
Or ... in the produce department of your favorite grocery store ..... a Kolb Case O'Korn. (Cold case of corn)
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OK my guy (Trayvon Stewart) just got burned by devonte Parker on a corner route lol.
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Like, yeah, if you think Alabama, and FSU are better, than just say you like them better, but to judge them on what Illinois did when they were down 3 or 4 touchdowns is really stupid.
It was an 11-point game with 9 minutes left in the fourth. That's why people don't give OSU as much respect as other teams. Illinois is a horrible team. There's no reason it should've been a two-score game in the fourth quarter. It shouldn't have ever been a two-score game once OSU was up by three scores.
As mentioned before, Alabama sleep walked through a 4-6 Miss St. team. It was 10-0 at half. Finished up 13.
Baylor spotted Texas Tech 3 touchdowns in the first quarter.
Ohio State took Illinois out of the game right away. Illinois did put some points up, but if you watched that game, it was never in doubt.
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It's not a question of whether the game was in doubt, to me at least. It's that, like I said before, OSU is prone to letting bad teams put up way more points than they should. They've pitched two shutouts and are still giving up 19 a game.
Being able to roll up tons of points on offense against bad teams is only half of the equation. Alabama, by comparison, has given up 108 points this season, and 42 of those were to a legit Texas A&M team in week two. Beyond that, they've given up 17 points once and held every other opponent to 10 or fewer. Giving up 42 to Manziel is understandable. Giving up 35 to Scheelhaase is not.
Wisconsin just rolled Indiana 51-3. I expect a similar performance by the Buckeyes this weekend.
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It was 28 to Scheelhasse (they gave up a punt return TD) but I understand what you're saying.
So why is there no knock on Alabama's offense in that game? I mean, nobody is giving credit to defensive teams anymore, especially with an MSU team that lost very early in the season and boasts the nation's best defense.
I truly believe the Big Ten takes a ton of flack because of the lack of great offenses in the conference.
It just seems like the media has it out for OSU a little bit.
Nobody mentioned Baylor spotting 3 TD's to Texas Tech over the weekend. Ohio State hasn't spotted anyone that many points in 2 years. I think the most they have been down was 10 to Nebraska last year.
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Yeah, my mistake re: punt return for touchdown.
I haven't been paying enough attention to media to know whether or not Alabama is taking anything for only scoring 20. If they're not, they should. Likewise with Baylor, though they put the clamps down in the second half.
There are no doubt members of the media who have it out for OSU, but I think that those that aren't biased see what I see: a good team that beats up on poor competition and has a suspect defense. I've also personally been pretty vocal about not being a fan of Braxton Miller.
FWIW, OSU trailed Northwestern by 10 this year.
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yeah, forgot about that game too.
It just seems like there is always a yeah-but with Ohio State and the media. I watched the BCS show on ESPN yesterday and they focused on Ohio State "struggling" with Illinois, but made no mention of Baylor's struggles early in their game, or Alabama just not playing that great of a game in which they were 3+ touchdowns favored in.
I'm in no way saying OSU should be ahead of Alabama, or FSU for that matter. I think both are better teams right now.
It just seems like they want to nitpick Ohio State a little bit.
I understand the higher standard they are held to when compared to Baylor who has been a doormat their entire existence, and are now turning into a national power.
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the only real question that matters is if Ohio State will hold off Baylor for the next spot in the national title game if either Bama or FSU loses down the stretch.
I have to think that if Michigan State comes into the Big10 nat'l title game w/ only 1 loss, then the answer will be yes. Their schedules will have been very similar, but Ohio State would have played the better team last. That last impressions is usually enough to sway voters.
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Wins vs. BCS Top 25
Alabama : @ #12 Texas A&M, #22 LSU, vs. #22 Ole Miss
Remaining @ #6 Auburn
Baylor : vs. #20 Oklahoma
Remaining -- @ #10 Oklahoma State
Florida State : @ #7 Clemson
Remaining -- None
Ohio State : vs. #20 Wisconsin
Remaining -- None
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the only real question that matters is if Ohio State will hold off Baylor for the next spot in the national title game if either Bama or FSU loses down the stretch.
I have to think that if Michigan State comes into the Big10 nat'l title game w/ only 1 loss, then the answer will be yes. Their schedules will have been very similar, but Ohio State would have played the better team last. That last impressions is usually enough to sway voters.
Baylor and Ohio State are so close.
Assuming both finish out unbeaten, Baylor will have beaten probably 2 teams in the top 25 (OU, OSU) and Ohio State will have Wisconsin and Michigan State. Although isn't there an emphasis on top 40 wins? If so, Baylor beating Texas may swing it in Baylor's favor.
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I have to think that if Michigan State comes into the Big10 nat'l title game w/ only 1 loss, then the answer will be yes. Their schedules will have been very similar, but Ohio State would have played the better team last.
Not if Baylor beats Oklahoma State, then turns around and beats them again in a Big 12 title game.
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I have to think that if Michigan State comes into the Big10 nat'l title game w/ only 1 loss, then the answer will be yes. Their schedules will have been very similar, but Ohio State would have played the better team last.
Not if Baylor beats Oklahoma State, then turns around and beats them again in a Big 12 title game.
There is no Big 12 title game.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.
Even then, OSU would fall behind MSU after losing to Baylor.
Ohio State will give voters the last look.
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Which school will pull in more viewers tOSU or Baylor?
The answer to that question would be the school the voters put in the game if it ends up being 3 teams undefeated and both schools are one of them.
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obviously, Ohio State pulls in more eyeballs. both teams have video game offenses, but the cachet of the Buckeyes and Urban Meyer would drive more casual viewers.
but, it doesn't matter as much. the AP poll isn't part of the BCS. I don't know why the coaches poll would be affected by viewership. the Harris poll could but the computers would take away from some of that if it was warranted.
of course, OkieState could beat Baylor and Duke could shock the world against Florida State to render these discussion points moot.
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Which is why the pollsters and ESPN's constant bashing of them is designed to keep tOSU out of the title game. Why? That title game will already draw a huge crowd and adding tOSU won't make a tremendous difference. However, it you put tOSU in a BCS game that might have had a so-so ratings with other schools, those ratings suddenly sky-rocket. More money for everyone all around. And let's be honest...that's what this is really all about.
BTW...Why no love for an undefeated Northern Illinois team? They finish out and they'll be your BCS-busting school this year. They are gonna keep a very talented SEC team out of a big time bowl.
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i disagree. part of what pulls more eyeballs in for the Buckeyes is the sports-hate. it lends to more discussion, more casual fans know about the team, etc.
noone is keeping the Buckeyes out of the title game so they can make more $$ on the Rose Bowl (it's silly really, the Rose Bowl is going to do just fine).
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NoIll has to somehow fight above Fresno to get a BCS-buster slot. I don't think it's going to happen as it seems the voters think the Huskies had their chance last year (the computers favor them to Fresno, but they are way behind in the polls).
so, if you want to see NoIll in a BCS game, then root for San Jose State to upend Fresno.
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JC... I find this thread partially insightful and partially humorous....
I think the top 3 teams, in order are FSU, Alabama, OSU.. but that's just me since I know there is no way anybody is going to knock Bama out of the top spot without them losing... and even then they would probably still get first place votes.
I do agree that OSU gets too much crap for their schedule, weak as it is, but looking at the justification in some of these posts is pretty funny.. I saw the FSU win over Boston College used as an example.. Boston College is as good as Iowa, who Ohio State was tied with going into the 4th quarter... Boston College is a tough, physical, good running team.. they are probably middle of the pack if they were in the Big 10, there with Penn State, Iowa, Michigan.... Heck, Duke is a pretty good team, probably better than those I just listed, and would be middle to upper middle of the pack team in the Big 10 yet a win over them is still seen nationally as just beating Duke in football, ho hum...
Ohio State suffers from the trickle down effect, they haven't beaten any teams even sniffing the top 10 and the teams they have beat are ranked but haven't really beaten anybody either...
they beat Buffalo, who hasn't beaten anybody...
they beat San Diego State, whose best game was an OT loss to a ranked Fresno State team...
they beat Cal, who is 1-10...
they beat Florida A&M, who is 3-8...
they beat Wisconsin, whose best win is what? Northwestern who has lost 6 in a row... Iowa maybe...
they beat Northwestern... who beat nobody to get ranked and has lost 6 in a row...
they beat Iowa, whose best win is, Minnesota I guess, or Northwestern again...
they beat Penn State, whose best win is probably Michigan...
they beat Purdue, who is 1-9...
they beat Illinois, who is 3-7...
The only out of conference games of any consequence from the entire Big 10 are Michigan State against Notre Dame, which they lost, Nebraska against UCLA, which they lost, Wisconsin against Arizona State, which they lost, Penn State against Central Florida, which they lost, Illinois against Washington, which they lost... and Michigan beat Notre Dame.. that is the one out of conference win for the whole conference that seems to have any significance what-so-ever...
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I saw the FSU win over Boston College used as an example.. Boston College is as good as Iowa, who Ohio State was tied with going into the 4th quarter... Boston College is a tough, physical, good running team.. they are probably middle of the pack if they were in the Big 10, there with Penn State, Iowa, Michigan....
You're missing the point though. You are right on that BC and Iowa are probably at the same level of crappiness, however nobody in the national media mentions their struggles. Instead they slobber all over Winston and the team.
OSU takes crap for being tied going into that game, just like they did for giving up a few too many points to Illinois.
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well, at least we are adding a powerhouse like Maryland next year  note: I agree with much of what you wrote and is a big reason why I hate how the Buckeyes schedule so far in advance. 10yrs ago when the Cal deal was signed they were expected to be our "marquee" OOC game. not to mention that the Buckeyes should always have at least 2 major OOC games and I would prefer we have 3 (along with a rotating smaller conference Ohio game as our 4th).
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You could also play the schedule game with FSU.
They beat Clemson, but who has Clemson beaten? unranked Georgia?
Miami?
I mean really, even some of Alabama's bigger wins have no wins against great teams.
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JC... I find this thread partially insightful and partially humorous....
I think the top 3 teams, in order are FSU, Alabama, OSU.. but that's just me since I know there is no way anybody is going to knock Bama out of the top spot without them losing... and even then they would probably still get first place votes.
I do agree that OSU gets too much crap for their schedule, weak as it is, but looking at the justification in some of these posts is pretty funny.. I saw the FSU win over Boston College used as an example.. Boston College is as good as Iowa, who Ohio State was tied with going into the 4th quarter... Boston College is a tough, physical, good running team.. they are probably middle of the pack if they were in the Big 10, there with Penn State, Iowa, Michigan.... Heck, Duke is a pretty good team, probably better than those I just listed, and would be middle to upper middle of the pack team in the Big 10 yet a win over them is still seen nationally as just beating Duke in football, ho hum...
Ohio State suffers from the trickle down effect, they haven't beaten any teams even sniffing the top 10 and the teams they have beat are ranked but haven't really beaten anybody either...
they beat Buffalo, who hasn't beaten anybody...
they beat San Diego State, whose best game was an OT loss to a ranked Fresno State team...
they beat Cal, who is 1-10...
they beat Florida A&M, who is 3-8...
they beat Wisconsin, whose best win is what? Northwestern who has lost 6 in a row... Iowa maybe...
they beat Northwestern... who beat nobody to get ranked and has lost 6 in a row...
they beat Iowa, whose best win is, Minnesota I guess, or Northwestern again...
they beat Penn State, whose best win is probably Michigan...
they beat Purdue, who is 1-9...
they beat Illinois, who is 3-7...
The only out of conference games of any consequence from the entire Big 10 are Michigan State against Notre Dame, which they lost, Nebraska against UCLA, which they lost, Wisconsin against Arizona State, which they lost, Penn State against Central Florida, which they lost, Illinois against Washington, which they lost... and Michigan beat Notre Dame.. that is the one out of conference win for the whole conference that seems to have any significance what-so-ever...
I could say the exact same thing about the acc. Their best win is against a 4 loss Georgia team. The big 12 has one good win over notre dame(oklahoma). The big 10 is probably the 3rd best conference outside of the sec, and pac 12. Not as bad as many tend to believe.
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You can't forget about vandy backing out. they are a decent sec team right now. WE have home and homes with virgina tech, oklahoma, tcu, and north carolina in the next 5 years. PLus we play teams like navy, cincy, and tulsa. Wish they would play the sec in some home and homes. I think we had one with tennessee, but that fell through.
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FSU played BC nearly two months ago. Since then they've outscored their opponents 322-51 over six games. I wouldn't call that struggling.
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At any rate we could go 26-0 in the past 2 years, and not even get a shot to play for a title. I don't care what fanbase you're talking about, that's very frustrating. But playing Oregon won't be a bad consolation prize. I'm sure we would be a heavy underdog in that game.
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Part of that was self-inflicted, regardless of how silly you think the whole tattoo thing was (personally I think it was outrageously overblown...I'm sure most agree).
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They still struggled in that game. No mention of it was ever really made. The critics love to get all over OSU though.
As far as going 26-0 and not playing for the title, I'm not sure the sanctions would have mattered. Even though some would agree OSU was a better team last year than ND (after the fact), the Irish put forth a better resume. Ranked wins against Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan. OSU had ranked wins against Michigan and Nebraska (Final AP poll)
*I'm not sure if Alabama would have jumped them or not. I'm no expert on the formula.
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if you want to really create some angst, then think of this possibility:
AzState wins out claiming the Pac12-S after losing to UCLA (USC needs to beat UCLA), then upsets Oregon in the Pac12 title game
Then, even if the Buckeyes stomp the Sun Devils, the story will be how they got an opponent that had to basically pay off the referees just to beat Wisconsin, beat USC when Kiffin was the HC, then got 1 lucky win against Oregon.
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