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I'll add one more point....
The Big Ten desperately NEEDS Ohio State in this title game...and to win it. For the past five years or so media, journalists, and the like, have been down on the Big Ten regarding talent. If OSU can win it all against a team in a perceived "better" conference, it will do wonders for changing the perception of the conference as a whole.... every team will be elevated. Quite frankly, OSU is to blame mostly IMO for the fact that the Big 10 is perceived to be weaker/overrated than other conferences. They've lost big games convincingly (Florida, LSU) as the best team the Big 10 has to offer. This is a chance to remedy that perception and I hope they do.
What will probably happen though, is that they'll get in the NC game against FSU, and the entire game will be a circus of OSU hate and Jameis Winston legal issues. If Winston is prosecuted and FSU has to use a backup, the hater's are still gonna' hate and the perception will not change whether we win or not.
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Did that just happen?
It sure did! May the Alabama/SEC Empire finally fall! 
I' d like to see how the BCS will justify keeping OSU out of the Top 2 now. 
If you listened to the Post-game show on CBS, they tried to make a case for it.
Hmmm....I wonder if that has anything to do with the contract that CBS has with the SEC? Nah, couldn't be about money.
Personally, I've love to see FSU lose next week and have a Auburn/OSU title game. OSU matches up well with them. It'd be a pure run-fest. We'd be lucky to see more than 20 passes in the game but about 700 yards rushing. I think that would be fun to watch in this era of pass-pass-pass-pass.
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Jameis Winston will play in the bowl. I doubt they'd deny him bail for sexual assault.
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Man, the absolute worst thing that could happen for OSU with regards to media perception is for them to face off with FSU in the NCG and Jameis Winston get suspended/incarcerated/whatever and be unable to play.
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Outside of Mark May there is no OSU hate in the media.
The issue is that the rest of the country see's the Big Ten as the weakest of the BSC conference's plain and simple. At this moment in time they are correct.
Should an undefeated OSU play in the title game yes! But, you can also see the other arguement that says Ohio State has played the 52 best schedule in the country. In college basketball if they were a bubble team that SOS would not look good on a resume.
Auburn on the other hand has played the 4th toughest schedule. I can see the arguement.
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Jameis Winston will play in the bowl. I doubt they'd deny him bail for sexual assault
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/18/3761229/jameis-winstons-matter-hovers.html
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Under FSU’s conduct policy, if Winston is charged with a felony he will be suspended indefinitely while his case plays out in court. With backup Jacob Coker — who pushed Winston for the starting job during the spring and summer — out for the year following surgery on his meniscus, the Seminoles would be forced to turn to redshirt freshman Sean Maguire.
From what I've heard the school could make an exception in the case of extreme circumstances, but I think they'd have a hard time saying "Because we're in the National Championship game." and still claim to have a Code of Conduct. I could be wrong about that, though.
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You can make an argument all you want, but also can make an argument that Auburn has won the last two games on "miracle" plays. One against a not that great/beaten up Georgia team and Bama.
It's not like they were drove for the winning TD or FG, it was literally back to back games of basically a hail mary pass and whatever you want to call that run back.
No hate in the media outside of Mark May? Now that's funny
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Good question. I think it is a combination of both.
Our defensive line is weak. Most RBs get through the LOS before contact. They are young and inexperienced. Our coverage is also weak. Roby is highly touted, but the guy plays w/a lot of cushion because he gets burned if he gets in their grill. Losing Bryant hurt. His back-ups are terrible.
I really like Luke Fickell, but I think he'll be gone after this year. Urban Myer gave him a job out of loyalty, but I imagine the continued poor performances by the defense is driving Urban nuts. I wish we could keep Luke on the staff in some manner, but I think a change at DC is in order. 
I also noticed our D players were out of position a lot...I know on one reverse play that went away from Spence, instead of staying wide/deep in the backfield he was running down the line....when the ball was reversed to his side, he was way out of position.
We played very undisciplined and they did a great job with all the misdirections.
I agree about wishing to keep Luke in some manner, he is one of the top recruiters for us.
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What will probably happen though, is that they'll get in the NC game against FSU, and the entire game will be a circus of OSU hate and Jameis Winston legal issues. If Winston is prosecuted and FSU has to use a backup, the hater's are still gonna' hate and the perception will not change whether we win or not.
You're right. If the Buckeyes make it into the National Championship and Jameis Winston is indicted for rape and is suspended with the Buckeyes playing against the backup, it's going to be the excuse that they played against a team without their 'star QB' playing.
Frankly, I expect that it'll needlessly get dragged out until after the Championship game.
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Outside of Mark May there is no OSU hate in the media.
I totally disagree with that. All of the major sports outlets are ragging on OSU's weak schedule with nary a word about FSU's. Auburn lost to a 3 loss team and beat 'bama on a freak play yet they're all arguing that they have a case to jump the Bucks.
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Jameis Winston will play in the bowl. I doubt they'd deny him bail for sexual assault.
It isn't sexual assault allegation. It's a rape allegation. There is a difference and it isn't just semantics.
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I do not think it is hate to bring up the schedule point. There is merit in that regard. Hate would be if they said OSU simply were not as good as Auburn or FSU. If you bring up the schedule to say does a team with a schedule strength in the 50's desreves a shot at the national championship game has merit.
Example is how many people said Boise State did not desreve to be in the game a few years back. Same arguement. FSU strength of schedule right now is 42. Ten spots ahead of OSU. I think that if OSU was 1o spots ahead of FSU the media would be saying the same thing about FSU.
I do not think an undefeated OSU should be left out of the game. Although, in the future when the slection committee starts to decide which 4 teams gets into the NCAA playoffs they should hold teams accountable for their schedules just like the NCAA basketball does when they decide the 64 team field.
What this will do is force better non conference games. It would be good for college football.
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Jameis Winston will play in the bowl. I doubt they'd deny him bail for sexual assault.
It isn't sexual assault allegation. It's a rape allegation. There is a difference and it isn't just semantics.
Sorry. Last I heard was it was sexual assault. I haven't been paying much attention to his case.
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It's not the same thing...your example is comparing a Mountain West team to the Big Ten. Also, what strength of schedule are you using? And what is the standard? Sagarin's has OSU - 61 and FSU - 66. Another has OSU -53 FSU - 72. And I know a week ago OSU was ranked 10 better than FSU CFB web page
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What this will do is force better non conference games. It would be good for college football.
Aren't most of these non-conference games scheduled real far in advance though? I mean, for example. Just looking at OSU's schedule, they played San Diego State. Now Brady Hoke was a great coach for that team. He had them going in two years.
He leaves, and then they're not as good. Same can be said with Cincinatti. Brian Kelly is their coach, they're great. They're a top 10 team. You schedule some games with them in the future, and then, bam, he goes to Notre Dame, and you're stuck playing a far different team
EDIT: Another great example. UConn football. We were a decent team with Randy Edsall (now Maryland's Coach). He was great. People can say what they want, we weren't Ohio State (or top Big Ten) quality or anything, but we were competitive. He leaves. Some jerk named Paul Pasqualoni (I'm sure he's an alright guy, but he ruined my team) comes in and screws everything up. And you're stuck playing a UConn team that sucks and can't put any points on the board. Now you schedule UConn with Randy Edsall as the coach, and you're like, okay, we're facing a top 40 football team. And then Edsall leaves, and you're stuck facing a team that's more like top 100 or something........
Arkansas with Bobby Petrino being a great example too
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The SDSU game was scheduled this year, I believe it was the game they had to scramble to get because Vanderbilt backed out.
The Cal game was scheduled 10 years ago when they had Rodgers and DeSean. They were a solid program. Top 25ish. Would have been a nice resume builder.
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All but one of the computer rankings have SOS on their website, and they are all different. Only Sagarin has the update as of this weekend's games so far, but I expect that will change this evening. As well, only Sagarin had OSU with a better SOS than FSU (and oddly FSU went from 76 to 66 after playing a 4-8 Florida and OSU went from 67 to 61 after playing a 7-5 Michigan).
As of last week's games (yesterday not included):
Anderson and Hester had FSU 56 OSU 61
Colley had FSU 73 OSU 87
Billingsley had FSU 67 OSU 82
Massey had FSU 49 OSU 89
No Wolfe.
I can't speak to any others as I only looked at BCS computer's SOS.
What I find interesting is... OSU out of conference opponents are 16-20 in BCS and 19-29 overall (incl Fla A&M) and FSU's out of conference opponents are 9-27 in BCS and 19-30 overall (incl Bethune Cookman). As well, OSU overall BCS opponents have a 62-70 record and FSUs overall BCS opponents have a 61-71 record...It seems that removing Div 2 (or whatever they're called today), OSU has had a much tougher out of conference schedule and overall they are pretty much equal, but they're the ones picked on for the weak schedule. Why no national talk of FSU not being in the NCG?
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All but one of the computer rankings have SOS on their website, and they are all different. Only Sagarin has the update as of this weekend's games so far, but I expect that will change this evening. As well, only Sagarin had OSU with a better SOS than FSU (and oddly FSU went from 76 to 66 after playing a 4-8 Florida and OSU went from 67 to 61 after playing a 7-5 Michigan).
As of last week's games (yesterday not included):
Anderson and Hester had FSU 56 OSU 61
Colley had FSU 73 OSU 87
Billingsley had FSU 67 OSU 82
Massey had FSU 49 OSU 89
No Wolfe.
I can't speak to any others as I only looked at BCS computer's SOS.
What I find interesting is... OSU out of conference opponents are 16-20 in BCS and 19-29 overall (incl Fla A&M) and FSU's out of conference opponents are 9-27 in BCS and 19-30 overall (incl Bethune Cookman). As well, OSU overall BCS opponents have a 62-70 record and FSUs overall BCS opponents have a 61-71 record...It seems that removing Div 2 (or whatever they're called today), OSU has had a much tougher out of conference schedule and overall they are pretty much equal, but they're the ones picked on for the weak schedule. Why no national talk of FSU not being in the NCG?
Because the media hates Ohio State. Could you imagine if it was their QB who had a rape allegation? All the major outlets would be running with that as the lead story 5 out of the 7 days of the week.
If people don't believe that, then they need to go back and read the facts of the post that I quoted here.
Sorry, but SOS >> having more impressive blowouts.
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What if OSU, Auburn and FSU lose next week? Mizzu and Bama in the NCG?
No. I don't see any chance that Bama, without winning the SEC Championship, makes it into the Championship.
They have before
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No. I don't see any chance that Bama, without winning the SEC Championship, makes it into the Championship.
They have before
I know. It was fraudulent then too. That decision was ridiculed at the time and rightfully so.
Why have a national championship game? Just let the SEC championship stand as the national championship and call it a day.
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It's a total joke. I still can't believe this is even an issue.
Auburn lost by double digits to a 3 loss team. Putting them above any unbeaten AQ team, let alone one that opened the year #2 is a joke. Whatever happened to every week being crucial?. Now they would get in based on reputation?
I'm not sure what's shadier, that, or Auburn's last championship.
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Ohio State comes in at #2, and is .027 in front of Auburn.
I think that puts them in decent shape. If they take care of business, they should be ok.
Remember, 2 weeks ago Baylor was .001 behind OSU.
I still think it would beneficial to win convincingly, even though that shouldn't matter.
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Just need to win - I don't think the human voters will drop them so it comes down to the computers... and the computers don't take into account style points (at least I don't think). Right now we are ahead of Auburn in every computer except for one...
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Right, if an undefeated #2 beats the #10 team in a conference championship, they stay #2, especially if the #3 is a 1-loss team (even though they have a better opponent in their conference championship game - #5). I left the school names off on purpose. Not that you all don't already know them, but just read that again and pretend you don't know the schools. It makes sense. I have a feeling we'll be in for a bumpy ride next week. It won't be so simple. There is at least one more curveball coming. Maybe it's Duke beating FSU, maybe Mizzu beats Auburn or...well, I won't say the other one. 
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The SEC Championship winner passing and undefeated OSU will be fun for the taling heads to stir up controversy for ratings but it will not happen.
I think we are all in for another great Saturday of Football next week.
Michigan State will be a very tough game for Ohio State.
Auburn will have to find away to get back up for another big game and that will not be easy. The emotions they went thru to beat Bama will be hard to match in 1 weeek.
Who knows what will happen if Winston gets charged this week. If he is playing I don't give Duke much of a chance.
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I really hope that Winston didn't do what he's been accused of doing. He is such a fun player to watch, it wuld be a real shame if he turned out to be a rapist.
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The great thing about rivalry week….
The week before, I thought hell OSU will kill Michigan theres no chance……once the game came on for kickoff…and saw the stadium scenery and heard the crowd….i thought, wow this will be a battle.
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I did looked at the stats (yeah I know stats are for losers) and here how both Auburn and Ohio State stacked up
Rush Offense: Auburn 5th (318.25) Ohio State 2nd (321.25)
Pass Offense: Auburn 107th (172.8) Ohio State 85th (209.3)
Total Offense: Auburn 15th (491) Ohio State 6th (530.5)
Scoring Offense: Auburn 17th (38.6) Ohio State 3rd (48.2)
Rush Defense: Auburn 57th (158.58) Ohio State 5th (100)
Pass Defense: Auburn 100th (255.7) Ohio State 101st (255.8)
Total Defense: Auburn 76th (414.3) Ohio State 30th (355.8)
Scoring Defense: Auburn 31st (22.5) Ohio State 18th (20.3)
Ohio State's offense is 40 yards and 10 points better, and the defense is 60 yards and 2 points better.
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Auburn had some close wins against some mediocre teams. only beat washington state by 7, mississippi state by 4, ole miss by 8, Georgia by 5. I just don't get what the argument is. I could see if Ohio State lost a game, but they didn't. The sec pundits need to lay off the pipe. This Auburn team is far from perfect.
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all that, and: They're a fluke play away from being a 2 loss team. The loss was double digits to a 3 loss team. Their AD is lobbying big time to bump OSU.
I hope Missouri blisters them on Saturday. They have a d very good team and I think they're up to the task.
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Man, I went from going to a game Saturday that had some meaning to going to a game that will be the center of the college football universe.
The SEC will already be decided and they will be watching and rooting for MSU. Gameday will be down there in the morning.
Glad I booked my room already, haha. What a wild scene it will be.
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one thing that I haven't seen the national media mentioning (at all!!!).
the Iron Bowl is using the "greatest ending ever" alot in terms of it's spectacular finish AND what it meant to Bama's dynasty.
however, if the playoff system was in place this year instead of next year, then it would have meant nothing for Bama (other than bragging rights). they are slotted in #4 and even if they had dropped to #5, they would get bumped up by whoever loses the SEC championship game regardless.
so, that game meant EVERYTHING for Bama this year. under next year's rules, it would have meant a lower seed in the playoff.
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all that, and: They're a fluke play away from being a 2 loss team. The loss was double digits to a 3 loss team.
And a just-as-flukey play away from being a 3-loss team.
But in the end, they still had to catch that tip and run it in, they still had to return that field goal for a touchdown.
They're a 1-loss team. That's not as good as being an undefeated team. But still, have to give credit where credit is due and they should be ranked in the top 5. (I think Missouri is better and will beat them).
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Does Mizzou jump Alabama and get in?
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Does Mizzou jump Alabama and get in?
In that scenario, I believe Missouri jumps all the way up to #2 and plays Florida State for all the marbles.
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Does Mizzou jump Alabama and get in?
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one thing that I haven't seen the national media mentioning (at all!!!).
the Iron Bowl is using the "greatest ending ever" alot in terms of it's spectacular finish AND what it meant to Bama's dynasty.
however, if the playoff system was in place this year instead of next year, then it would have meant nothing for Bama (other than bragging rights). they are slotted in #4 and even if they had dropped to #5, they would get bumped up by whoever loses the SEC championship game regardless.
so, that game meant EVERYTHING for Bama this year. under next year's rules, it would have meant a lower seed in the playoff.
Very good point.
However, a 4-team playoff is a better system and while it might have made that ending less important, I think it's for the best.
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Does Mizzou jump Alabama and get in?
Yes. They at least should.
If people are making the argument that Auburn should jump OSU, then you can't turn around and put Bama in, if that scenario (OSU losing) were to happen.
But if you look at the BCS numbers, Mizzou is .011 behind with a game against Auburn, and Alabama does not have game. I'd give the edge to Mizzou.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Mizzou won. I'm not that big on Auburn, and I think Alabama would destroy them on a neutral field, despite losing. They should have won Saturday. Coulda woulda shoulda, I know, but Alabama was the better team that day if you ask me. It was a fluke play where Bama didn't have their best players on the field. Auburn deserved to win because of some poor coaching mistakes by Saban though.
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