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I don't think AJ McCarron is going to be an effective starter in the NFL.

I am not one to say arm strength is everything, but you have to have a strong enough arm to drive the ball into tight windows. I haven't seen AJ ever do that. Yes, he can throw the bomb---almost all QBs can---but, he has never demonstrated enough arm strength to drive the ball into tight windows in the coverage.

I wanna mention two guys that have impressed me quite a bit this season.

First is Gabe Jackson, the OG from Mississippi St. He has good size, good power, very good technique, and can play in zone blocking schemes. I think he could start right away in the NFL.

The other guy is Odell Becham Jr., the WR from LSU. He is not the biggest guy, but he an excellent route runner who gets open and then makes big plays. He is very shifty and makes moves while running at full speed. He makes sensational catches. He is also an excellent return man. We could probably get him in the 2nd to 3rd round.

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He's tough to judge, because he's the kid that's had everything. Well coached, ridiculous running game, solid WR's, and a Nick Saban defense...

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I agree but then aren't most of the college QBs being considered in a similar situation? You have Bridgewater, with a weak schedule... and while he didn't have the level of NFL talent around him that McCaroon did, relative to his competition, his team almost always had far more talent than the teams they played against. I would have loved to see McCarron/Winston go up against each other in the title game.. that's about as much NFL talent on the field at one time as you are going to see...

I suppose you go back and look at the games they lost, look for the plays and situations where they were under pressure, how did they respond.. that's probably where I would start.

Watching them throw a 5 yard crossing route to a superior athlete who is wide open and then watching that guy run for 40 yards doesn't tell me much, except that the QB was smart enough to find the open guy.

I wonder if we could pluck Zane Beadles and / or Eric Decker off of Denver. They have a ton of guys to worry about resigning.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/12/31...ssel-comparison

A very good read showing the difference in recruiting of Meyer and Tress. When Tress was the coach his recruits were 60% Ohio, under Meyer its 35%. Tress built a fence around all the football talent in Ohio. Meyer is building a fence around the Elite Talent in Ohio.

Unfortunately this means a lot more under the radar stars will slip to schools like Wiscosnin and Michigan State.

I love Meyer, but I am not going to disrespect Tressel

I was coaching when he took over at Ohio State. His predecessor, John Cooper, had made the huge mistake of dissing Ohio high school football. He alienated us. Not a smart move. Many outstanding Ohio recruits ended up playing for other big time schools.

Tressel comes in and the first thing he does [after saying he will beat you know who] is say how much he respects Ohio high school football and how the coaching was so great in that state. He won us over and he was rewarded w/loyalty. Most of Ohio's best recruits ended up w/him in Columbus.

I am out of the loop now, but I suspect that Meyer won't short-change the wealth of talent that resides in the great state of Ohio.

thanks - totally forgot that was on tomorrow!

Yeah, I will be watching w/interest.

I have the game on now..

Outside of Adams and Carr, nobody on Fresno would play for USC.

I don't want to be a jerk, but how much "coaching" do college coaches do...? I give them the benefit of the doubt because of recruiting.

Carrs accuracy is all because of his footwork. His footwork is all over the freaking place which leads to erratic ball placement. Get him onto a team that can teach him to drive through his throws consistently and you're going to see a way better QB than you're seeing today. That's the whole reason why I like him for us... This is a great situation for him to come in and learn with 2 veteran QBs ahead of him on the depth chart next year.

He's been wild-high on a lot of his downfield throws. He throws off his back foot a lot. Obviously a strong arm, but accuracy is in question, I think. Jeez, I'm tired of college offenses throwing the WR screens. It looks like his coach is afraid to let him throw to the middle of the field ... everything's on the edges.

Washington State, just got Browns-d'

I thought things like that only happened here.
Burt Reynolds has made so many bad movies, if someone else makes a bad movie Burt gets a royalty.
If some other team, loses up 8 with less than 3 to go, on two fumbles, and a fumble not because of review, and a 2 pt conversion, the Browns should get " a royalty".

People can bash the Big 10 (sorry B 1 G) all they want, but how often does a Big 10 school get a bowl opponent the caliber of Fresno St. Never! Almost never, not in 30 years, Big 10 schools always play UP when they go to a bowl game; an opponent like Fresno St, is like getting a Mac, or a Wac, a Sunbelt, or a Division 2 school for an opponent.
I don't respect Clemson either. Why isn't this thread locked?

This scene broke my heart. Devon Walker was paralyzed almost exactly a year ago had to see this happen to his teammate.

right after they interviewed him in-game too.

good news is that the player is expected to be completely fine (knocked out, so protocol says cart & hospital for more testing, but by all accounts is fine).

Sooo, there's a chance Mariota comes out this year?

There has been some indication that he will return to Oregon but he has until Jan 15 to declare. Then he has some time to withdraw as long as he doesn't sign with an agent. Not sure when that deadline is.

Bishop Sankey is going to have a nice LONG career.



Look how low he gets. His shin is parallel to the ground:



These images are examples of ankle flexion. In general, more mobility (range of motion) in the ankle means less stress on the knees. This is what people call "being able to bend" = "being able to get closer to parallel with the ground."

Unfortunately a guy I really like in TJ Yeldon is going to probably have constant knee injuries because of the way he runs. Just look at his legs.

Thanks for the RB list in the NYJ postgame thread Steve, have to watch this Muema guy, haven't seen him yet.

I also like Sankey and Andrews a lot. Though we'd have to invest our 2nd rounder to get Sankey. I'd be ok with Sankey/Andrews in the 2nd/3rd + 4th/5th

I watched a lot of ILBs and FS prospects these days and I'm not overwhelmed.

For ILB I probably like Max Bullough from Michigan St. the best. He was the only ILB I saw that took on blocks regularly. His downside is that he's not the greatest athlete and could get exposed in coverage, but he's great in the box and a natural 3-4 ILB with the ability to rush/disrupt QB timing too. That's worth something.

Others I've seen:

- Skov is a complete ILB, but like Bullough I'm not sure he has much upside left and pass coverage could be a ??.

- Smallwood was ok, but nothing special. Not sure he'd be an impact ILB.

- Ch.Jones was probably the best in coverage, but he does not like to play physical and looked and played more like a SS or cover 2 OLB. He's not a 3-4 ILB imho.

- not impressed by Perryman and he too looked more like a 4-3 MLB

- AJ Johnson has a good motor, but he struggles taking on blockers. More of a 4-3 MLB

As for FS:

- not impressed with Haha. Don't get the hype

- in fact: Terrance Brooks looked as good if not better. He was the only player I saw that looked like a potential upgrade to Gipson, but he played like a FS/SS tweener. Physical player.

- Kenny Ladler does not like to tackle. Reminds me of Baccari Rambo.

- watched some Tre Boston, but he looks more like a SS to me. Good late rounder though.

- Ty Zimmerman is an ok "not to lose" FS, who's a good tackler for the position. We already have that in Gipson.

Also watched more of Bortles and he reminded me of a smarter version of Tannehill with lesser upside (if that mkes sense?). Higher floor, lower ceiling. Still like him. He has limitations and his windup needs shortened, but his mental game is ready enough to be thrown in quite early in the NFL imho.
My biggest doubt with both him and Bridgewater is the colder weather fit. Both struggled there.

That said, I'll throw another mock out there, off of cbs rankings:

1a) WR Evans, TAMU
1b) QB Bortles, UCF
2) RB Sankey, Washington
3a) ILB Skov, Stanford
3b) CB EJ Gaines, Mizzou
4a) FS T.Brooks, FSU
4b) G G.Jackson, Miss St.
5) ILB Bullough, Michigan St.
6) RB Andrews, WKU or RB J.White, Wisconsin
7) DL G.Smith, Georgia

Good post.

I think that our ILBers are asked to do a lot in coverage. Therefore, a guy like Bullough [who I love] would probably not be a good fit.

Of the guys you mentioned, Skov would probably be the best fit, but you are right that his pass defense is a bit of a question mark.

I think Florida State played Christian Jones outside a lot more than they wanted to this year because they lost Werner and Carradine.

There are also two guys you didn't mention that I think have possibilities.

1. Yawin Smallwood from Connecticut isn't the fastest guy, but he has always racked up a lot of tackles and he did break-up 8 passes this year.

2. I think there is a possibility that CJ Mosely could play ILBer in the 3-4. He is a dynamic player who can attack the LOS and he did break-up 5 passes this year. I think he has the tools that Horton likes in an ILBer.

While we're talking about Florida State, I'd be really tempted to use our 3a on Lamarcus Joyner if he happened to still be available. The guy plays like Tyrann Mathieu, and I'm a little less concerned about getting a big corner after the way Buster was able to play this year. I think 36 might be too high to effectively upgrade our nickel corner position, but if he were somehow available in the third he would be tough for me to pass up.

I love Bishop Sankey, very good pick. He can pass block and catch. He does everything at a very good level.

He's dynamic. I just wonder about the combination of him being only 5'8" and extremely aggressive and how that will translate into penalties at the next level.

I'd say, outside of Watkins, I think ODB Jr. is probably the best WR prospect in the draft, and then Marquise Lee.

Not buying the Evans thing. Guy seems a little too much of a possession receiver to be a guy that should be drafted as high as we are likely to pick. Same with the Vandy WR, Mathews.

Now if we could get them in the 2nd round, you are speaking my language.

JC

Jadaveon Clowney got his second speeding ticket in the last month. This one was for going 84 in a 55 zone. The prior was for going 110 in a 70. Its a good thing he's probably about to lose his license or he might not live to be drafted.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/12/26/3177393/usc-football-star-javedeon-clowney.html

You should hear about his performance in classes.

Vonn Bell is starting!

Hopefully over Pitt Brown

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/24304482/vonn-bell-looks-back-at-2013-with-wrcb

j/c

Give me Bishop Sankey if at all possible please! I love his talent and skill set

Bridgewater on TV now.. what you guys think?

1st things that jump out are strong arm and quick release.

No TD's yet and he took a 4 yard sack in the end zone for a safety...

spoke too soon.. touchdown UL

And soon after you posted that, he gets a TD

Hard to fault him on the safety. Miami had great penetration and they were backed up on that play.

Great last drive for Teddy. I think that drive alone solidified his spot as the #1 over all pick.

Hopefully we'll trade up and get him. Dude looks gooooood.

I think we should do everything in our power to get this guy. He is awesome. He's so intelligent. He reads defenses and coverages. He is mobile. Who says he can't run? He is accurate. He is everything you want in an NFL QB.