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We may have to use our Indy pick when all is said and done.




If he comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if we need to use our own pick to get him. For the record, I would without hesitation.


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"I don't see them drafting a QB named Mariota or Manziel under any circumstances. "

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I can see that there maybe some reasons why the front office would have some questions about Manziel.

However, if they had a shot at Mariota I believe there is no way on God's green earth that they would pass on him.

Mariota long term is the best quarterback in this coming draft. He is not as polished as Bridgewater but that is because of the offense run by Oregon.

Mariota has every skill that NFL evaluators covet. If you look around at scouting reports it is a verifiable fact.

But you do not have to read what other write just look. This guy threw 285 attempts without a pick. He has the size, the arm, the accuracy, and speed that is rare in combination. There is no throw he can not make. He has displayed great character and leadership. He runs the offense. The only thing that will need to happen is for him to learn the NFL game and the offense of his new team. For a rookie that is the case for all of them although some may come from a program that is closer to what is run in the NFL.

Getting Mariota would be the best thing that could happen for the Browns since getting Bernie.

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"Blake Bortles UCF. 6' 4" 230lbs.

Everyone is catching on to this guy. We may have to use our Indy pick when all is said and done. I don't even care about his competition. This guy has alot going for him."
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Bortles caught my attention when I watched the Louisville game. I tuned in to watch Bridgewater and had never heard of him.

He was very impressive. He is a very interesting prospect. He will be one these guys who rise up the charts as the draft process moves along. Good guy to keep a close eye on.

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I can see that there maybe some reasons why the front office would have some questions about Manziel.

However, if they had a shot at Mariota I believe there is no way on God's green earth that they would pass on him.

Mariota long term is the best quarterback in this coming draft. He is not as polished as Bridgewater but that is because of the offense run by Oregon.

Mariota has every skill that NFL evaluators covet. If you look around at scouting reports it is a verifiable fact.

But you do not have to read what other write just look. This guy threw 285 attempts without a pick. He has the size, the arm, the accuracy, and speed that is rare in combination. There is no throw he can not make. He has displayed great character and leadership. He runs the offense. The only thing that will need to happen is for him to learn the NFL game and the offense of his new team. For a rookie that is the case for all of them although some may come from a program that is closer to what is run in the NFL.

Getting Mariota would be the best thing that could happen for the Browns since getting Bernie.




This is pretty much how I feel about Mariota as well.....at least at this point.

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I hear that Derek Anderson is available....


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All this talk about drafting a QB. With all of the picks available to us next year, how about drafting 2 QB's next year? Washington did it after giving up the farm for RGIII and then drafting Kirk Cousins. That would leave us with Hoyer and two rookie QB's.

There's no way I see this front office keeping Weeden here. Campbell is probably a concussion away from retirement.

Potential QB Free Agents next year include Cutler, Schaub, Bradford, Ponder, Gabbert and Vick. None of these would be long term solutions, IMO.

I see that as potentially happening as we have a lot of picks and may have the need, everyone knows you need viable backup and QB depth.


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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.


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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.




Wow! How pumped is St. Louis right now!?


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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.




We just need ATL to win the race to the 1st overall, then there will be no excuses. Looking at their remaining schedule:

@ BUF
@ GB
vs WAS
@ SF
vs CAR

…I see only one win maybe at home vs the Redskins, they have a good shot at 3-13 and should pick top 3. They are our trade partner for a QB


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I live in Atlanta and have posted numerous times that Atlanta would certainly entertain trade offers.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/atlanta-falco...line-draft-pro/

Best case scenario is the Falcons slot at number one or two. The Browns land at five. The Falcons would love to get Clowney, Barr or Jake Matthews. So it becomes important that our pick is close enough to insure that.

Mariota is the guy I want, but I would still be happy guy if we got Bridgewater.

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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.





Top 10 pick - again. My how this seasons has turned out to be so very.... ordinary for us.


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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.




Wow! How pumped is St. Louis right now!?




FWIW.

Greg Schiano sees Mike Glennon as Bucs' QB of future

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...cs-qb-of-future

Also, this all goes out the window if/when Schiano gets canned in the offseason.


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Also, this all goes out the window if/when Schiano gets canned in the offseason.




Looking to be more so "when" and less so "if" - hahaha... it's questionable Schiano will even make it till the offseason.

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Also, this all goes out the window if/when Schiano gets canned in the offseason.




Looking to be more so "when" and less so "if" - hahaha... it's questionable Schiano will even make it till the offseason.




He's also had a 3 win streak and some are talking one more year with Glennon and Schiano.

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Also, this all goes out the window if/when Schiano gets canned in the offseason.




Looking to be more so "when" and less so "if" - hahaha... it's questionable Schiano will even make it till the offseason.




He's also had a 3 win streak and some are talking one more year with Glennon and Schiano.




It's very obvious that Josh Freeman was a problem in TB.

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Seasons not quite over - not using my HOMER persona I think we have at least two more wins. Then we got the Murphy's Law factor to win like 3 in the row at the end to assure us NO WAY we get in the top 10. 6-10 or 7-9 is most likely in our future. Even when we lose QBs we don't drop to the top 3 of a draft any more.

So we now have a kid who will entertain the fans who come in training camp...his accuracy is pretty amazing Now we know what he can do without a pass rush and without pads... We'll see how much Norv can teach him.

I would be surprised and then not if he sticks with the team next year...Alex Tanney that is.

There really are a lot of good QBs coming out - so many that nobody really knows of...one of them is a stud in waiting...trick is to figure out which one

Hey in Lombardi/Chud/Norv/Farmer I trust...do I have a choice


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Also, this all goes out the window if/when Schiano gets canned in the offseason.




Looking to be more so "when" and less so "if" - hahaha... it's questionable Schiano will even make it till the offseason.




He's also had a 3 win streak and some are talking one more year with Glennon and Schiano.




This is Mangini all over again, lol


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As it stands right now, we're drafting 7th. With the following in front of us:

1. Jax - QB
2. Hou - QB
3. ATL
4. MIN - QB
5. TB - Potential QB
6. STL - (From Wash)
7. CLEV

As of right now that's possibly 4 QBs off the board at the time we pick.




Tampa Bay won't be selecting a QB in the first round. I don't know how many of the others will be either.

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It's very obvious that Josh Freeman was a problem in TB.




I don't want to remind you of how many people on this very board wanted the Browns to sign Freeman.

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Potential QB Free Agents next year include Cutler, Schaub, Bradford, Ponder, Gabbert and Vick. None of these would be long term solutions, IMO.




If Sam Bradford is available this offseason (If the Rams are dumb enough to get rid of him) The Browns should be on the phone with him ASAP to sign him to a longterm deal.

I would take Sam Bradford over ANY QB coming out of this draft....infact, I would rate Bradford right up there with Luck...Bradford has just been on a horrible team, and yet he has still put up good numbers.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13197/sam-bradford

Bradford has gotten better every year he has been in the league, on a team that has been terrible....this year he has 90.0 QB rating over 7 games throwing 14 TD to only 4 INTS and averaging nearly 7 yards per pass and throwing over 1600 yards...those are Peyton Manning type of numbers on a team as bad as the Rams....your kidding me that Bradford wouldn't be a solution, Bradford would be the answer.

in 2012 the dude threw 21 Td to only 13 INT's again he was pretty much 60% completion percentage, he threw for over 3,700 hundred yards, he averaged nearly 7 yards per completion.

Bradford isn't the problem in Ram town, its his surronding cast.

As i said i very highly doubt Bradford will be available...i don't think the Rams are that dumb, if they are dumb enough to get rid of Bradford, the Browns better be on the phone ASAP...

If Bradford is available via FA or trade, he will be the next Drew Brees...mark my words....and if he becomes available...I would like Bradford here with Hoyer and a Rookie backing him up

I doubt the Rams would be dumb enough to get rid of him though....

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...I would like Bradford here with Hoyer and a Rookie backing him up...




I believe that would solidify our QB position for the next 10-15 years. Just do it...


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I'm a big time believer of Bradford.

I dislike Fisher but he's no dummy. 2012 We offered what we did to move up to be either or meaning if Rams wanted RG3 we would have given up the same for Bradford. They didn't even sniff that thought now they would trade Bradford for who to take his Place?

Only way they trade him is if he is physically damaged.

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Pipe dream.

Do not think there is anyway the Rams let him walk.

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Versatile Dawg. Watch as much game film as you can on this kid.

Blake Bortles UCF. 6' 4" 230lbs.

Everyone is catching on to this guy. We may have to use our Indy pick when all is said and done. I don't even care about his competition. This guy has alot going for him.




Yep.

I have talked about him in a handful of posts. I first saw him play against S. Carolina. I've watched him three other times. I liked what I saw and he was my sleeper in this year's draft.

I was hoping he would be a guy to last until the 3rd round or so, but predicted he would shoot up the charts. I think you are right in that he will end up being a first round pick. Not sure if I would take him in the first, but he is a very good prospect.

The one guy I feel who is very overrated is Mariota. Great physical specimen, but I am not witnessing a guy who can read defenses and coverages. That's a no-no in the NFL.

Did any of you watch RGIII the other night? Most of his completions were WR screens. He isn't reading coverages. His throws are way late. It's all about athletic ability and right now, his limited mobility is not enough.

It's really tough evaluating a lot of these collegiate QBs due to the types of offenses they are running in college. Spread QBs do not typically transition well into the NFL. The problem is that almost all of these top QBs are playing in some type of Spread offense in college.

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Man, after watching Bortles (sp) he has taken over on my gotta get this guy list...

I have been touting Peety from baylor, but I'd taken Bortles in a heartbeat with Indy's pick and never flinch.

I agree with you Vers on Mariota the more I see the less I like.


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" The one guy I feel who is very overrated is Mariota. Great physical specimen, but I am not witnessing a guy who can read defenses and coverages. That's a no-no in the NFL."

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Not sure what you base your opinion on regarding Mariota. He went 285 attempts with no int's. He is averaging 284 passing yards per game. Has thrown 27 TD's with 2 int's. He has rushed for 529 yds and another 9 TD's. In 2012: 32 TD's with 6 int's.

Not sure how you can put up those kinds of numbers and not be able to read defenses and be considered overrated.

I have turned over every stone I can find about Mariota and all I see is elite talent.

The very first time I looked at the guy what jumped out to me was the way the ball came out of his hand. Natural throwing motion with a good quick release. This guy is like Bradford with better legs.


I respect your opinion Vers but I don't know where you are coming from on Mariota.

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Jeff Fisher has already stated that he won't let Bradford walk. I simply listed him as he one of the QB's who is in a contract year.

Regarding Tanney .... Here's the (pre-draft) evaluation on him from ProfootballWeekly:

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Engaged. Father, Don, played basketball at Monmouth and was a Hall of Fame high school football coach in Illinois. Brother, Mitch, also played quarterback at Monmouth (2002-05) and was National Player of the Year runner-up before playing professionally in Europe and in the Arena League; and brother, Matt, is a recruiting compliance director at Oklahoma. Alex was a three-sport standout as a downstate Illinois prep — was a record-setting quarterback, his school’s all-time points leader on the hardwood and placed at the state track and field finals. Left high school with state records for career pass attempts (975) and completions (606), piling up 7,157 yards in three seasons. Started all 47 games of his college career. As a true freshman in 2007, completed 242-of-376 attempts (64.4 percent) for 2,678 yards with 24 touchdowns and five interceptions; totaled 318-462-3,624-50-8 (68.8) in ’08; tallied 339-484-3,856-44-7 (70.0) in ’09; finished with 25-41-224-1-2 (61.0) in ’10 when he suffered a season-ending torn A-C joint injury in his right (throwing) shoulder in Week Two; and passed 281-393-3,867-38-8 (71.5) in ’11. Won the Melberger Trophy (national player of the year) in ’09, was a Gagliardi Trophy (national player of the year) finalist in ’09 and ’11 and was the Midwest Conference Offensive Player of the Year in ’08, ’09 and ’11. Owns NCAA career record for touchdown passes (157) and the Division III record for passing yards (14,249). Three-time team captain. Graduated. Had a 39-8 record in 47 career starts.
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A coach's son bred and experienced in the spread game dating back to his sophomore high school season, Tanney is a good-sized, highly decorated Division III star who posted rare career production as a four-year starter. Orchestrated a snappy, efficient spread offense, feasting on marginal competition and displaying athletic ability, a loose arm and short-to-intermediate accuracy. Takes care of the football — had better than 5-1 TD-to-interception ratio for career. Did not compete in a top all-star game, but will get the chance to earn a practice-squad spot and could prove worth developing.


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" The one guy I feel who is very overrated is Mariota. Great physical specimen, but I am not witnessing a guy who can read defenses and coverages. That's a no-no in the NFL."

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Not sure what you base your opinion on regarding Mariota. He went 285 attempts with no int's. He is averaging 284 passing yards per game. Has thrown 27 TD's with 2 int's. He has rushed for 529 yds and another 9 TD's. In 2012: 32 TD's with 6 int's.

Not sure how you can put up those kinds of numbers and not be able to read defenses and be considered overrated.

I have turned over every stone I can find about Mariota and all I see is elite talent.

The very first time I looked at the guy what jumped out to me was the way the ball came out of his hand. Natural throwing motion with a good quick release. This guy is like Bradford with better legs.


I respect your opinion Vers but I don't know where you are coming from on Mariota.




I think Mariota needs a year on the bench in the NFL. Going from that offense to an NFL offense is going to be a shock for him.

I think he has all the tools. Even though he has struggled the last few weeks, I think under Chud, he could flourish.

The more I watch Carr and Bortles though... wow, those 2 can both play.

I think Mettenburger would be a nice fit, and would continue the trend of the AFC North having big strong QB's. Other than Dalton, but I honestly seem him flaming out in the next year.

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Yeah... Bortles, Carr, and Mettenberger are the guys at the top for me right now. I wouldn't be upset about Boyd or Manziel, but I think I'd prefer one of the first three.

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Don't disagree with sitting him on the bench for a year. Truth be known I think it would be a benefit for any quarterback coming into the league. Bridgewater is ahead of Mariota at this stage because the offense he runs is much closer to the NFL.

Sitting on the bench for a year all depends on the team that drafts him and their position.

Mettenberger is one of those guys that in the end analysis you just don't know.

He lacks mobility but his 40 time is better than Brady's was( not saying much 5.00 versus 5.26). He can make the type of throws that will help his chances in the NFL. But at the end of the day it all depends on how he handles what will be expected of him in the NFL.

You can measure all kinds of things in quarterback prospects but you can never measure how bad a guy wants it.

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I don't think it's wise to spend 2(+) 1st Rd picks on ANY QB where the consensus is that he needs to sit a year or two before having a shot at being the starter.

If THAT's the guy we are looking at then he is just a "maybe" as being/becoming a franchise QB. That negates the 2(+) 1st Rd picks in my mind.

I'd trade a mid-Rd pick and swap #1s to move a spot - or several - to get "my" guy...but's that's it. There are a lot of guys who fit the "needs a year or two to be good" mold.

We need to let this draft come to us while walking away with a QB we can groom...because - outside of maybe Bridgewater - they all need to sit and learn before becoming a starter.

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Don't disagree with sitting him on the bench for a year. Truth be known I think it would be a benefit for any quarterback coming into the league. Bridgewater is ahead of Mariota at this stage because the offense he runs is much closer to the NFL.

Sitting on the bench for a year all depends on the team that drafts him and their position.

Mettenberger is one of those guys that in the end analysis you just don't know.

He lacks mobility but his 40 time is better than Brady's was( not saying much 5.00 versus 5.26). He can make the type of throws that will help his chances in the NFL. But at the end of the day it all depends on how he handles what will be expected of him in the NFL.

You can measure all kinds of things in quarterback prospects but you can never measure how bad a guy wants it.





I don't think every guy needs to sit. I bet Mettenburger could play right away. He's got a year under a former NFL OC. He's big and strong, which will help. I just don't know how well he can read a defense. Playing Alabama and playing Pittsburgh are way different.

That's why I'm glad we have Chud. I really feel like the management will let him have a say in who this new QB will be. They will put him through the meat grinders in these pre draft meetings. I have pretty good faith we will find the right guy.

Yeah, my list is starting to look like Bortles/Carr, then Mettenburger, then Mariota.

I love Bridgewater but I'm just factoring him out, because there will be at least 3 or 4 teams ahead of us in May, and maybe all but Atlanta needing a QB.

I know this isn't the Andrew Luck draft, or the Marino/Elway draft, but I feel lucky that we are going into the draft determined to get a QB, and the class is deep. Imagine if we were in this position last year. Yikes.

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I am not a Mettenberger fan. Big strong arm, questionable accuracy, poor decision making.

I like Bortels, haven't seen Carr play.

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I don't understand the Bortles love. Does no one else see his incredibly weak arm? He doesn't even throw a spiral. You can make up arm strength in accuracy but he does not have enough arm for the NFL. Carr is probably the least accurate QB on tape this year.

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bonefish...if Bridgewater n Mariota are the clear cut ! - 2 probably it would be thought of as a clear cut Overal #1 n #2...with possibly Clowney breaking in there and separating the to as in 1, 2 n 3!

Obviously we are not going to be in the top 3. And the only one near there that will not want a QB would be the Falcons...where possibly Clowney comes in.

Do you really think we have a shot? Is it wise to break the draft bank for the Second QB in the draft. I mean RG3 was suppose to be a rare exception. Its hard to evaluate these guys correctly - for every RG3 (and many are questioning him now but thats only cause they played him hurt and now he is damaged) There are two Leafs, Mire and Akili Smiths.

It would be bad enough to bomb on a QB and lament about losing your First round pick of that year...but to LOSE 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.

As this draw nears we will probably know if it is a 1,2 punch with the two QBs of course we will see exactly where we will be slotted unless we make the playoffs

Again I see us taking a QB with our pick that will be around 10-15??? We could move up a slot or two for no major cost if we feel it necessary.

We could go for the RAW talent like Kaepernick or the short good arm and accurate QB like Brees.
Or take a shot at a prototypical NFL QB type like Tannehill?

Who ever we do take I think we sit him at least a year unless Hoyer gets hurt again are it was a fluke and he bombs.

Will we keep Weeden who would be in a YEAR 2 of the same system for the first time??? I think there would be total different regard to Weeden if he wasn't 30. But the fact is maybe he didn't get there this year but all of a sudden next year he surprises everyone???

I will be interesting.

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"Do you really think we have a shot? Is it wise to break the draft bank for the Second QB in the draft. I mean RG3 was suppose to be a rare exception. Its hard to evaluate these guys correctly - for every RG3 (and many are questioning him now but thats only cause they played him hurt and now he is damaged) There are two Leafs, Mire and Akili Smiths."
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To me I believe that you can not be afraid to fail. Each year is different. No two players are the same. If they believe the guy is really good and see him as the answer to the quarterback position then pull the trigger. Draft picks be damned.

Draft picks are only as good as the players you select. Hell TRich and Weeden were first rounders. One now gone the other probably soon to follow. Review the bombs we have drafted in the second round. Just to ugly to think about.

The Browns are much closer to being a good team than they have been for a very long time. This free agency could add a couple key parts. They may have something in Hoyer but not enough known to take to the bank. Can't assume he is the answer based upon his sample of work.

Bridgewater to me is a very safe pick if they got a shot at him. There is still some question about Mariota staying in school. Mariota to me has the highest upside. He may very well stay in school like Luck and Peyton.

The Falcons in my opinion would jump at a trade partner if they believe they could get Clowney, Barr or Jake Matthews. They need major work on both lines. So draft order is going to be important. Have no clue what the Browns will do the rest of the way.


The other quarterbacks in this draft all have some questions. Of course that does not mean there is not a gem there. If the decision makers really like one of the other guys they may well be there when we pick; if not they have the ammo to move around. Banner strikes me a very thorough person and a tough negotiator.

As we know success and failure go hand in glove when picking quarterbacks. The Browns are now and have been for a long time at the point where we have to strike gold in order to achieve greatness. It is never easy when picking quarterbacks just as gold does not come out of the ground easy. But to strike it rich you can not be afraid of risk.

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I luv ya eotab, but this team isn't winning another game, and WILL most definitely be drafting top 5. A new QB will most undoubtedly be picked with that pick (or we will trade up to if we can to get our guy if need be/we can). The good news is we have a ton of picks to maneuver and add players to the core on top of getting our new QB.

This team needs alot of help still, but getting a QB is still by far the biggest need they have. Hopefully, these guys get it right this time and not whiff like every other FO has since rebirth.


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Weeden = 2 ints, 2 fumbles in his recent game... i'd say throw in the kid Tanney and see what wonders we have to unfold with him.

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Weeden = 2 ints, 2 fumbles in his recent game... i'd say throw in the kid Tanney and see what wonders we have to unfold with him.




Id go one further and say sign some other QB's and give them shots as well. Id cut Weeden NOW. The season is over, might as well start tryouts for next year. There are diamonds somewhere out there in the rough.

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