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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Quarterback. It's the most important position in football. Without one, it makes it very difficult to be a perennial contender. If you need evidence of just how critical the position is then look at the Green Bay Packers. With Aaron Rodgers running the show, Green Bay was a playoff contender. Without him, they are falling out of the playoff picture. The same goes for the college level. Just imagine Louisville without Teddy Bridgewater or Florida State without Jameis Winston.
It's not always easy to project quarterbacks, but that is what we're trying to do here. Winston isn't eligible for the draft in 2014 so he's not on the list. If he were, he'd probably top it. As for others like Georgia's Aaron Murray, Ohio State's Braxton Miller or Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo, there's a case to be made for each. But there's only room for 10 players.
Some of the excitement over the class has fizzled thanks to struggles of a few prospects (Tajh Boyd and Brett Hundley), but it still appears to be promising. There are a few different options that appear destined to lead an NFL franchise back to relevance, perhaps even the Browns. As the season has gone on, it has become clear that the Browns need one of these players.
Note: You can't always trust kids when it comes to what they're saying about the NFL, but Baylor's Bryce Petty said he is going back to Waco for another season. That's why he has been removed from the list.
1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
6-3, 196 lbs., Junior
Yearly stats: 245-345 (71%), 3268 yards, 25 TDs, 3 INTs.
Most recent game: Win vs. Memphis, 24-17. Passing - 26-36 (72.2%), 220 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INTs. Had a bye this past weekend.
Analysis: He hasn't been putting up the gaudy numbers that he did at the beginning of the year. But who cares? It's not about stats or wins at the college level. It's about the skill-set and Bridgewater has the best one of any quarterback at the college level. He is smart, showing off his football IQ by running a pro-style offense and making checks at the line of scrimmage. He has the arm strength while at the same time displaying good touch. He is effective throwing to every level of the field. He has tremendous presence in the pocket and is not afraid to deliver the ball in the face of the rush. The biggest issue is he wears a glove all the time. Does he do that because he has small hands? That may not be a factor now, but it could be at the next level trying to grip a different football. He's not in the class of Andrew Luck when he came from college, but then again, who really is?
Last week's ranking: No. 1
2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Marcus MariotaView full sizeOregon quarterback Marcus Mariota is struggling lately, but there is too much talent to ignore.Associated Press
6-4, 211 lbs., RS Sophomore
Yearly stats: Passing - 227-360 (63.1%), 3412 yards, 30 TDs, 4 INTs.
Rushing – 81 attempts, 582 yards, 9 TDs.
Most recent game: Win vs. Oregon State, 36-35. Passing – 17-34 (50%), 285 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs.
Rushing – 7 carries, 53 yards, 0 TDs.
Analysis: It was a thrilling win for Oregon this past weekend. Mariota wasn't at his best on Saturday. He completed just 50 percent of his throws and tossed two picks. However, when the Ducks needed him to rally the team in the fourth quarter, that's exactly what the 20 year old did. It's been the issue with Mariota this year. He has been hit or miss. Saturday he started by hitting his first six throws. Then he followed with missing the next six. He's been a mix of inaccuracy and poor pocket presence along with tantalizing ability, size and pure arm strength. He has the potential to be a game changer in the NFL. But he's far from a finished product.
Last week's ranking: No. 2
3. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
6-1, 210 lbs., RS Sophomore
Yearly stats: Passing – 270-391 (69.1%), 3732 yards, 33 TDs, 13 INTs.
Rushing – 133 carries, 686 yards, 8 TDs.
Most recent game: Loss at Missouri, 28-21. Passing – 24-35 (68.6%), 195 yards, 1 TDs, 0 INTs.
Rushing – 11 carries, 21 yards, 0 TDs.
Analysis: After the worst game of his college career two weeks ago – first road loss and first time completing less than 50 percent of his throws in 2013 – Manziel was hoping to bounce back on another big stage. It didn't happen. Saturday was another underwhelming statistical game for Manziel. The Manziel detractors were given more ammunition. It only means he might have ruined his chances at another Heisman Trophy. But the last two performances don't change my opinion about him much when it comes to the NFL. He's a dynamic winner that can make plays with his arms or his legs. Is he smaller than some teams would prefer? Yes. Does he have a slight frame? Sure he does. But he also has tools that can't be taught and makes everyone around him better. With the ability to make all the throw, Manziel has learned to stay in the pocket after some good work with QB guru George Whitfield. He also has an innate ability to feel the rush coming when it looks like he's about to be sacked.
Last week's ranking: No. 3
4. Derek Carr, Fresno State
6-3, 218 lbs., RS Senior
Yearly stats: 388-552 (70.3%), 4462 yards, 45 TDs, 5 INTs.
Most recent game: Loss at San Jose State, 62-52. 38-50 (76%), 519 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INTs.
Analysis: What an incredible show he and David Fales put on last week. Well, unless you enjoy defensive struggles. Carr and Fales traded punches and burned out the scoreboard. Even though his team didn't win – Fresno State's defense is a disaster – he showed those special traits that make him a possible Top 10 pick. Healthy after playing last season with a sports hernia, Carr spins it as well as anyone in college. He can get sloppy with his footwork and his mechanics, throwing off his back foot and relying on his arm too much, and the level of competition he has played against will continue to be a point of contention, but I like him more and more every time I watch him. There are very few QBs in college that push the ball downfield the way he can.
Last week's ranking: No. 5
5. Brett Hundley, UCLA
6-3 222 lbs., RS Sophomore
Yearly stats: Passing - 232-342 (67.8%), 2845 yards, 22 TDs, 9 INTs.
Rushing – 150 carries, 587 yards, 9 TDs.
Most recent game: Win at USC, 35-14. Passing – 18-27 (66.7%), 208 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs
Rushing – 13 carries, 80 yards, 2 TDs.
Analysis: Hundley's underwhelming season continued. His feet helped beat USC, but he still needs a lot of work as a passer. His pocket presence, feel and decision-making all need to get better. Hundley also has a nasty habit of dropping his eyes. The youngster has the potential and I'm excited about what he can become in the future. But he's not consistent enough and would be best served going back to UCLA for his junior year. If he continues to correct his flaws, Hundley has a chance to become an elite quarterback.
Last week's ranking: No. 4
6. Zach Mettenberger, LSU
6-5, 230 lbs., RS Senior
Yearly stats: 192-296 (64.9%), 3082 yards, 22 TDs, 8 INTs.
Most recent game: Win vs. Arkansas, 31-27. 14-22 (63.6%), 156 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.
Analysis: Even though he got injured in the win against Arkansas, Mettenberger looks like a completely different quarterback under new offensive coordinator Cam Cameron. He is a classic drop-back passer with a cannon for an arm. I still can't advocate drafting him in round one, but he would make a very intriguing second rounder in May.
Last week's ranking: No. 6
7. AJ McCarron, Alabama
AJ McCarronView full sizeWill winning translate to the next level for Alabama quarterback AJ McCarron?Associated Press
6-4, 214 lbs., RS Senior
Yearly stats: 207-306 (67.6%), 2676 yards, 26 TDs, 5 INTs
Most recent game: Loss at Auburn, 34-28. 17-29 (58.6%), 277 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
Analysis: McCarron will be the hardest quarterback in the class to evaluate. Coaches and GM's will probably fall in love with him because he is a winner, he is smart, he's been a starter for the last three years, he doesn't make careless throws and he interviews well. The two-time National Champion relies on timing, anticipation and ball placement. But he isn't as physically gifted as others in the class. Even his 99-yard TD toss to Amari Cooper in the loss against Auburn was underthrown. The ball lost velocity, causing his receiver to slow down. In the NFL - with tighter windows as well as faster and more athletic defensive backs - that's probably an interception. Tremendous talent at Alabama, including a great offensive line, which often gives him a clean pocket to throw from, has surrounded him but how will he deal with a crowded pocket? With the right supporting cast, McCarron can be successful in the NFL. But he can't carry a team and he won't be able to mask any weaknesses on the roster. He's nothing more than solid. With him on your team, you will always have one eye on the next draft class.
Last week's ranking: No. 9
8. Tajh Boyd, Clemson
6-1, 225 lbs., RS Senior
Yearly stats: Passing – 252-373 (67.6%), 3473 yards, 29 TDs, 9 INTs.
Rushing – 134 carries, 273 yards, 9 TDs.
Most recent game: Loss at South Carolina, 31-17. Passing – 19-27 (70.4%), 225 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.
Rushing – 15 carries, 16 yards, 1 TDs.
Analysis: After a rough start to the season, Boyd was turning things around. Then he ran into South Carolina this past week and his flaws showed up again. It often makes sense to take a quarterback's worst game and figure out whether his flaws displayed in that are correctable. That's the biggest question with Boyd. His size will continue to be a point of contention and this year he has been inaccurate. Combine those issues with sloppy footwork and a propensity to lock onto receivers and Boyd turns into a prospect that needs a lot of work before he can become a starter.
Last week's ranking: No. 7
9. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
6-4, 230 lbs., Junior
Yearly stats: 215-316 (68%), 3038 yards, 22 TDs, 7 INTs.
Most recent game: Win vs. South Florida, 23-20. 17-26 (65.4%), 219 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs.
Analysis: It wasn't pretty for UCF this past week, including Bortles. They struggled against South Florida. But when he needed to put his team on his shoulders, he did just that and threw the game-winning touchdown. Bortles is big, strong and moves well for a player his size. Every time I have seen him I've come away impressed as he completes passes to every level of the field.
Last week's ranking: 9
10. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech
6-6, 257 lbs., Senior
Yearly stats: Passing – 224-391 (57.3%), 2861 yards, 16 TDs, 13 INTs.
Rushing – 159 carries, 295 yards, 4 TDs.
Most recent game: Win at Virginia, 16-6. Passing – 13-29 (44.8%), 229 yards, 1 TDs, 1 INTs.
Rushing – 15 carries, -26 yards, 0 TDs.
Analysis: Someone needed to come back on the list after Petty mentioned his desire to go back to Baylor. Thomas gets the nod for me. Far from a finished product, Thomas wanted to play tight end at Virginia Tech before making the switch to QB. He misses open receivers. He makes baffling decisions. He also isn't at his best going through progressions yet. But Thomas is a gifted athlete with tremendous size and a cannon for an arm. If a smart coach gets their hands on his talent and finds a way to bring out his enormous potential, he could become a threat at the next level. Think about what Thomas could become with some polish as opposed to what he currently is.
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Mettenberger it is. Coached by Cam Cameron, who worked for Norv in San Diego. The kid should be able to step right in and play.
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Honestly, I don't care who they pick.
Just pick two of them. One with our first, and another before round 4.
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Mettenberger it is. Coached by Cam Cameron, who worked for Norv in San Diego. The kid should be able to step right in and play.
He was who I wanted (without trading up) until that knee injury. I don't want to take a chance on damaged goods.
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then you guys would probably like Bortles. he's pretty much the same guy as Mettenberger except that he didn't have nearly as talented WRs and he was never kicked off a team for committing sexual battery on a girl (to which he pled guilty).
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Agreed. I'll take Bortles all day long. He isn't a day one starter (but neither is ZM), but let him sit a year and he could be special.
Obviously Bridgewater is who I want, but we will have to have some luck to get him. We will most likely have a top 5 pick, but I do not see us getting #1. Therefore, we would need the Falcons to lose out and then hope the Texans start to win. The more likely scenario is drafting a guy like Bortles or Carr with one of our 1st rounders.
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I'd prefer Carr with the 2nd first round pick that we got from Indy. I'd love to wait for the 2nd round, but don't think he would last that long.
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if Carr lasts until the 10th pick, then I will be surprised.
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Scratch Mariota, an article on NFL.com says he is returning to Oregon in '14.
Browns is the Browns
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The kid should be able to step right in and play.
If Hoyer heals - that should not be a variable in picking our QB. Luck and Bradford were about on a short list of being able to come in and play...just he had Cameron as his coach doesn't make him ready for the NFL.
I want Hoyer to start...hey if by the bye week Hoyer is not who we think he is...at least the new kid will have been prepared a lot better than having him start right away. Couch...Weeden....nah lets groom the new kid!
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For being what is supposed to be a deep QB class, why am i left so unimpressed with the potential list of QB's??? Its Teddy and then who???? I started to lean towards Manziel (no way he is 6'1) but he has really unimpressed lately on throws that he simply needs to make in the NFL.
I wish i would have seen Bortles play, have not but others seem high on him. I have no idea what people see in Carr..... yikes, he has alot to learn. Its a bummer if Mariotti is staying at Oregon. UCLA's QB is not ready either, but maybe if Mora jumps to UW that sways his decision. Boyd has some warts, are they repairable??
Its just not a slam dunk picking a QB- No Luck or RGIII.
I'm kind of leaning on the double dipping idea. Somebody early and if Murray is there in the fourth round pick him and put him on the PUP for a year. I thought he had potential pre ACL tear.
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The QB class is hard to evaluate.
Most are, mainly because you're dealing with one's mental processing abilities, which is hard to accurately gauge.
The game speeds up quicker than these guys could've ever dreamed.
It's next to impossible to gauge whether or not they'll pick it up.
I'm not the biggest fan of this QB class. But we're forced to take a swing. Whiffing isn't as bad these days in terms of money...though if we don't hit on this one, we're completely screwed.
If we go QB in the 1st, making the next one a WR is the way to go. Having Gordon and a guy like Evans or Lee makes getting thrown into the fire a bit easier.
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If Hoyer can regain form after his injury...we are in a much better spot than anyone could imagine.
In addition, if we can add Sammy Watkins to Josh Gordon...we get dangerous
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I am officially in the Colts mode of 2011, aka, lose it for Luck.
Too bad Painter is not available.
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If Hoyer can regain form after his injury...we are in a much better spot than anyone could imagine.
In addition, if we can add Sammy Watkins to Josh Gordon...we get dangerous
umm, please see Case Keenum, Matt McGloin, Josh McCown.
Hoyer was good for a small stretch. but, even if he can sustain that success when he plays, he has had 2 NFL starting opportunities and has lost both to injury in short-order. There is absolutely NO WAY we can rely on Hoyer and Hoyer alone in 2014. It'd be worse than relying on Derek Anderson in 2008.
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If Hoyer can regain form after his injury...we are in a much better spot than anyone could imagine.
In addition, if we can add Sammy Watkins to Josh Gordon...we get dangerous
umm, please see Case Keenum, Matt McGloin, Josh McCown.
Hoyer was good for a small stretch. but, even if he can sustain that success when he plays, he has had 2 NFL starting opportunities and has lost both to injury in short-order. There is absolutely NO WAY we can rely on Hoyer and Hoyer alone in 2014. It'd be worse than relying on Derek Anderson in 2008.
I agree that we cannot rely exclusively upon Hoyer, and expecting him to be the answer after 2 games is foolish at best. Can we enter training camp with him as the starter? Sure. Should we go into the year with him as the only real option? No.
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I still think the best FA will come from the Bears. Either Cutler or McCown, whoever they won't/can't re-sign.
I'd take McCown and he'd come knowing he had a shot at starting.No solution, but he might be the best FA out there.
I'd also at least think about Schaub if he becomes available. He was and is at least as good as an Alex Smith, imho much better. The Texans made him the culprit for not taking the next step (similar to 49ers and Smith) and they might be right, but for OUR next step (confidence, a winning season for the young talent etc), he'd be worth it. I think it's incredibly stupid to dump a QB over a bad 5 game stretch when he has delivererd 5 good seasons. Big problem is his contract. He'd be a 10mil dead money cap cost for them if they cut him and he has zero trade value with that contract.
Since the Texans could be picking 1st, they could go Bridgewater and decide to cut Schaub?
All I know is I would be all over either Cutler, Schaub and McCown if they hit the FA market, in that order, obviously.
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but he has really unimpressed lately on throws that he simply needs to make in the NFL.
Note the last two games he has played with a bang up thumb to the degree that leading up to game time he couldn't hold a pen. In the NFL he would have sat for a couple of weeks...but college they know they are losing him so what do they care...the emotional level to play is very high and they let them. What Shanahan did with RG3 last year was very Collegesque and desperate.
All I know is I want a super accurate QB who is coachable - having the "IT" factor sure is key as well.
Haven't seen half the guys on the list. Bridgewater 2 seasons ago I said he would be the next great QB...I assume we don't have a shot at touching him so didn't bother much like Luck 2 years ago.
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I am officially in the Colts mode of 2011, aka, lose it for Luck.
Too bad Painter is not available.
The problem is, there is no Andrew Luck in this draft....
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I'd be surprised if Schaub isn't cut. they tried to make him into more of a QB than he is. it worked for a couple games, then defenses started sitting on his routes and taking them back for TDs. I agree that he is at his best when he's in an Alex Smith type role of "not losing the game."
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Sometimes you just want to let go of a primal scream. That was how I felt when I saw Mariota's staying. Even though there were some isolated reports a few days ago I just went into the "I do not want to believe it mode."
Really I do not give a damn what others think of Mariota. I know what I see. His decision is probably the best for him. It has been proven that the more reps you get the better prepared you are. Also, today when you get drafted into the NFL in the first round more than likely you get shoved into the starters role ready or not.
I really wanted this kid bad. I thought if the Brown got him he could sit and not get rushed into the lineup. That when his time came he would be more than ready and would become what the Browns so desperately need.
Now outside of Bridgewater the rest of this years crop does not do much for me. Sure somebody could turn out but at this point none of them excite me. I want greatness. I want to see a guy and know "man this guy has it all".
When I watch guys like Luck and Wilson I see what I want. Guys who have great character. Leadership just drips of them. They work harder than everyone else on the team. And when it is time to get it done they are prepared and they deliver. They have that combination of physical tools: accuracy and mobility. They have the mental side of vision and timing. All of the skills required backed by unbending work ethic and determination to succeed.
So, Mariota goes the route of Peyton and Luck. Good for him. Bad for me and the Browns.
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Sometimes you just want to let go of a primal scream. That was how I felt when I saw Mariota's staying. Even though there were some isolated reports a few days ago I just went into the "I do not want to believe it mode."
Really I do not give a damn what others think of Mariota. I know what I see. His decision is probably the best for him. It has been proven that the more reps you get the better prepared you are. Also, today when you get drafted into the NFL in the first round more than likely you get shoved into the starters role ready or not.
I really wanted this kid bad. I thought if the Brown got him he could sit and not get rushed into the lineup. That when his time came he would be more than ready and would become what the Browns so desperately need.
Now outside of Bridgewater the rest of this years crop does not do much for me. Sure somebody could turn out but at this point none of them excite me. I want greatness. I want to see a guy and know "man this guy has it all".
When I watch guys like Luck and Wilson I see what I want. Guys who have great character. Leadership just drips of them. They work harder than everyone else on the team. And when it is time to get it done they are prepared and they deliver. They have that combination of physical tools: accuracy and mobility. They have the mental side of vision and timing. All of the skills required backed by unbending work ethic and determination to succeed.
So, Mariota goes the route of Peyton and Luck. Good for him. Bad for me and the Browns.
the thing is, there's probably QB's that aren't going to be drafted in the 1st round that probably have exactly what we are looking for. just like a Wilson.
i don't want to be a OSU homer, but there's no harm in drafting kenny guilton with a 3rd or 4th round pick. the guy has speed, accuracy, a nice arm. and he's played here in ohio, so he knows the weather.
i guess i just have a thing for having cold weather QB's. look at the 2 SB winners in the afn north. all from cold weather college teams.
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When I watch guys like Luck and Wilson I see what I want. Guys who have great character. Leadership just drips of them. They work harder than everyone else on the team. And when it is time to get it done they are prepared and they deliver. They have that combination of physical tools: accuracy and mobility. They have the mental side of vision and timing. All of the skills required backed by unbending work ethic and determination to succeed.
Honestly, excluding Bridgewater (who we're not going to get a crack at) and Mariota (now that he's gone), what you're looking for sounds a lot like Derek Carr.
Supposedly he's getting rave reviews from coaches for his work ethic and preparation with a high football IQ to boot. He seems like he has his head screwed on straight and looks like both a high character winner and a leader... not to mention that he has above average athleticism and a cannon arm.
The issue with him is that his footwork is a disaster and he's going to need a lot of work because he throws from all kinds of wacky positions (he loves the back foot/sloppy stance throw) that throw his accuracy off. He's not exactly what you would think of in terms of a Top 10 QB because he's going to take a lot of time simmering under Norv (so some may consider him a "reach") but at this point? We're running out of options and IMO he's the best realistic one left.
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With each game Josh McCown plays, Jay Cutler's future in Chicago becomes more cloudy.
With the injured Cutler entering free agency, many have speculated that if the Bears don't want to commit a huge contract to the 30-year-old, the team might use the franchise tag to keep him one more year while identifying a young developmental quarterback.
However, general manager Phil Emery doesn't sound too keen on the possibility.
"With the franchise tag being so high for the quarterback position," Emery wrote during a fan Q&A on the team's official website, "to use it and not sign the individual to a long-term deal hurts the team because you lose the ability to prorate the amount of guaranteed salary over the length of the contract.
"Proration lowers the salary cap number in relation to that player's contract. Obviously the lower the number in relation to the salary cap, the more players you can sign to help your team reach its goals."
The Bears have a boatload of decisions to make this offseason, with veteran defenders Henry Melton and Charles Tillman also entering free agency. It's clear from Emery's comments that he doesn't plan on tying up a ton of cap space on a one-year tag as he tries to remake a brutal, aging defense on the fly.
Last week, Cutler said he was open to the franchise tag, which NFL Media's Albert Breer projected at $16.2 million for quarterbacks in 2014. Emery reiterated no contract talks would begin until after the season.
Potentially taking the tag off the table could also be posturing by Emery to get Cutler to lower his long-term contract demands.
The Bears currently are projected to have a mid-round selection in a quarterback-heavy 2014 NFL Draft. We could be looking at a situation where Chicago's brass identifies a young signal-caller of the future and re-signs McCown (also a free agent) as a cheaper stopgap.
It's rare that a quarterback with Cutler's talents hits the open market, especially considering how good he looked in Marc Trestman's offense early this season. Allowing Cutler to walk would speak to the Bears' confidence in their quarterback whisperer.
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With each game Josh McCown plays, Jay Cutler's future in Chicago becomes more cloudy.
With the injured Cutler entering free agency, many have speculated that if the Bears don't want to commit a huge contract to the 30-year-old, the team might use the franchise tag to keep him one more year while identifying a young developmental quarterback.
However, general manager Phil Emery doesn't sound too keen on the possibility.
"With the franchise tag being so high for the quarterback position," Emery wrote during a fan Q&A on the team's official website, "to use it and not sign the individual to a long-term deal hurts the team because you lose the ability to prorate the amount of guaranteed salary over the length of the contract.
"Proration lowers the salary cap number in relation to that player's contract. Obviously the lower the number in relation to the salary cap, the more players you can sign to help your team reach its goals."
The Bears have a boatload of decisions to make this offseason, with veteran defenders Henry Melton and Charles Tillman also entering free agency. It's clear from Emery's comments that he doesn't plan on tying up a ton of cap space on a one-year tag as he tries to remake a brutal, aging defense on the fly.
Last week, Cutler said he was open to the franchise tag, which NFL Media's Albert Breer projected at $16.2 million for quarterbacks in 2014. Emery reiterated no contract talks would begin until after the season.
Potentially taking the tag off the table could also be posturing by Emery to get Cutler to lower his long-term contract demands.
The Bears currently are projected to have a mid-round selection in a quarterback-heavy 2014 NFL Draft. We could be looking at a situation where Chicago's brass identifies a young signal-caller of the future and re-signs McCown (also a free agent) as a cheaper stopgap.
It's rare that a quarterback with Cutler's talents hits the open market, especially considering how good he looked in Marc Trestman's offense early this season. Allowing Cutler to walk would speak to the Bears' confidence in their quarterback whisperer.
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My only concern about Cutler is the same one most people have ....... can he stay healthy?
He's a plus level, though hardly elite QB. He always seems to be banged up and/or injured. He's a guy who usually throws more TDs than INTs, but not by a huge margin.
He is kind of like an Alex Smith type. He's a guy who has a career, and year by year QB Rating in the mid 80s. He's been successful when the Bears have given him a strong running game and defense, and less successful when either or those falter.
I guess that he's a guy I would be OK if the front office decided to bring him in, but I wouldn't want to see us give him some huge 5 year deal. I think that he is, maybe, a step above Jason Campbell or Carson palmer. He's certainly not a Manning, or Brady, or Luck, or even a Russell Wilson. He's a guy who will probably throw 15-18 TD, and 12-14 INT. A good year might get us 23 TD and 18 INT.
I dunno. He's a name, but his name might be better than his play actually is. He really has been outplayed by Josh McCown this year. That really needs to sink in. Josh McCown has completed 65% of his passes for 1461 yards in 6 games, with 9 TD and 1 INT. He averages 7.94 yards/pass attempt.
Before he got hurt, Cutler played 8 games. He completed 63% of his passes for 1908 yards. He threw 13 TD and 8 INT. He averaged 7.20 yards/pass attempt.
McCown has outplayed Cutler. That's scary in an of itself.
The article makes it sound like Cutler is an elite level QB, but his play has not justified that title. He's a good QB, but I would hesitate to call him a great one. While it's true that even good QBs rarely hit the market. I think that I would rather take my chances with Campbell, Hoyer, and a rookie than spend a ton of money on Cutler.
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He's a guy who will probably throw 15-18 TD, and 12-14 INT. A good year might get us 23 TD and 18 INT.
For whatever it's worth ...
Cutler throws 1.48 TD and 1.06 INT per game.
Over a 16 game season, that's basically 24 TD and 17 INT.
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I am officially in the Colts mode of 2011, aka, lose it for Luck.
Too bad Painter is not available.
The problem is, there is no Andrew Luck in this draft....
I like Andrew Luck, but he's had some crap games and he has people watching what's going on in Indy doing  after watching some of their games.
They still have the #1 spot in the AFC South against better competition than they faced last year, but still, things don't look right in Indy. They have first round draft pick RBs and a very young team on a roller coaster ride. Losses to Miami, San Diego, St. Louis, and Arizona. Wins against San Fran, Seattle and Denver.
I actually think that Miami & Arizona are much improved teams. Miami had mid-season distraction and Arizona has a stout D and an offensive genius as their HC now.
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still better than weeden?
sign him.
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Cutler has only thrown 24 or more TD twice in his career. I just had to go look because that just didn't look right.
He has thrown 25 and 27 TD in 2 seasons, but never more than 24 other than that. He has thrown 17 or more INT only twice as well,
Your numbers work out ...... but they still just didn't look right. Weird. It has to be because of the games that Cutler has missed in his career.
However, 24 TD and 17 INT is not really elite play.
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I would pass on Cutler. He is an injury in the making when he plays and for that single reason alone - pass Go and don't collect the 200 dollars.
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... I would be all over either Cutler, Schaub and McCown if they hit the FA market...
Absolutely. Isn't Rivers going to be a FA as well?
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... I would be all over either Cutler, Schaub and McCown if they hit the FA market...
Absolutely. Isn't Rivers going to be a FA as well?
Philip Rivers would be my worst nightmare.
I hate that guy.
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... I would be all over either Cutler, Schaub and McCown if they hit the FA market...
Absolutely. Isn't Rivers going to be a FA as well?
Philip Rivers would be my worst nightmare.
I hate that guy.
I hate that guy too,but he is a real QB something we haven't had in forever.
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Philip Rivers would be my worst nightmare.
I hate that guy.
I strongly dislike Rivers as a person but signing him to start is not even close to my worst nightmare. He's head and shoulders better than the options we have right now.
My worst nightmare is not addressing QB in the first 2 rounds or in FA and then watch Hoyer turn into a pumpkin like DA did.
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... I would be all over either Cutler, Schaub and McCown if they hit the FA market...
Absolutely. Isn't Rivers going to be a FA as well?
Schaub has one of the very best receivers in the game today, and a decent #2. He has a very good running back as well ....... even if he is having a down year.
Schaub has played really poorly this year. For the year he has thrown 8 TD and 9 INT ... and IIRC, 4 or 5 of those INT went back for opponents' TDs.
For comparison's sake, Weeden has thrown 9 TD and 9 INT .... but hasn't had quite as many go all the way back for opponents' TDs.
I worry that Schaub has Jake Delhomme syndrome .... and that the bottom appears to have fallen out because it has fallen out.
I would take Rivers in a heartbeat, but I see no chance that San Diego lets him go. He has had a real resurgence this year, and currently sits with 23 TD and only 9 INT through 12 games, while completing 70% of his passes. I see no chance that he is allowed to walk.
McCown ..... I'd pass on. He just has no real track record. He has looked OK for now, but i would be worried about him playing against the AFCN. Anyway. the Bears seem likely to hold onto him if they let Cutler go. They will, almost certainly, keep one of their 2 top QBs.
We are going to have to find our own guy. It is so rare to find a top flight QB in free agency.
Of the top 20 QBs in passing yards, the only ones not playing for the team that drafted them are (and I count Manning/Rivers as being with their original teams) ....... Peyton Manning, (who no one was sure would make it all the way back) Drew Brees, (and the Chargers also had Rivers at the time) Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, and Chad Henne.
I don't know too many who would have thrown a huge deal at a guy like Palmer or Henne ... or maybe even Smith. Smith is a decent QB, but not a playmaker. Palmer and Henne? Pass.
Anyway, I think that we ned to find our own guy if we want a top flight QB. Free agents rarely work out.
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Can someone please tell me why we are talking about anyone, any quarterback, who doesn't have what it takes to win a Super Bowl?
A quarterback has to have IT! It is that simple.
Cutler... please
When we start talking Mallet you guys really scare me.
Mettenberger, Murray, Boyd, Carr, etc... Please....
Ryan, Nelsen, Phipps, Couch, Holcomb, Quinn, McCoy, Weeden... Yikes
Otto, Brian, and Bernie (some may have a problem with me putting Sipe in that group, but he gave us the belief we could win). That is it! 50 years as a fan, and that is it. That's all.
Unless we can bring in someone who has the nads, who has the character, who has the leadership, who has the work ethic, who has the skill, who has the ability to stand on the podium and hold a Lombardi, then who gives a &^%$ about these sure fire continuations of the misery? REALLY.
We need to get real. Unless we have the opportunity to bring in "The Guy", then just continue building the team and be patient. We have no other choice.
Do you really see Bridgewater as being "The Guy"?
I don't, and I suspect most of you don't feel real comfortable about it. We aren't getting him even if we offer both firsts. So... move on.
Manziel....? Long shot, we might be able to get him, but is he "The Guy"? Probably another long shot at best. But, I agree with eo on him. I don't think we should spend both firsts on him, but he may be this years only possible long shot. When people went after me for saying "our top ten pick" well... how does it look now? If he's available at 7, 8, or 9 do you think we should jump?
If not, go into next year with Hoyer/Campbell, or somebody elses backup qb who has some potential.
Its time we do this right.
Schaub? Schaub?
In the words of Ozzie Guillen
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So what you're saying is... we shouldn't have a QB?
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So what you're saying is... we shouldn't have a QB?
I'm all for it,and think the team should give the "zero QB" offense a shot.They haven't had any success with a QB,so it really couldn't be any worse,and it would free up even more money for other players.
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