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I am of the opinion that Campbell does seem to be developing under Norv and Chud, and that his rib injury hurt him more than anyone let on.
I've suspected that but won't play that card. There's no proof. There was one shot from the cameras a couple of weeks ago where he was on the bench trying to adjust his extra rib-protection pads and grimacing like he was in pain, but that doesn't prove anything.
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I am of the opinion that Campbell does seem to be developing under Norv and Chud, and that his rib injury hurt him more than anyone let on.
I've suspected that but won't play that card. There's no proof. There was one shot from the cameras a couple of weeks ago where he was on the bench trying to adjust his extra rib-protection pads and grimacing like he was in pain, but that doesn't prove anything.
if it was the case, than i would love to see campbell back to 100 percent, cause if he played a game like that with busted ribs yesterday, i love for him to stay on our team next year while he teaches our rookie QB.
he had a very good game. and really deserved to be the winning QB yesterday.
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To me, it's Bridgewater or nothing in the 1st round of this draft.
Bridgewater is who I would want all along. But I don't see the Texans not taking him. Our biggest hope in getting him is Atlanta or Washington tanking the season better than the Texans (see current draft order) as I believe that Atlanta or St. Louis could be suitable trade partners.
I would take Carr in the 2nd. But there are so many QB starved teams, I don't see him being there.
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1 Houston Texans
2 St. Louis Rams (WAS)
3 Atlanta Falcons
4 Minnesota Vikings
5 Oakland Raiders
6 Jacksonville Jaguars
7 Cleveland Browns
8 Buffalo Bills
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10 Pittsburgh Steelers
Atlanta's remaining schedule is:
Redskins @ home
49ers' @ SF
Panthers @ home
Texans remaining schedule is:
Colts @ Indy
Broncos @ home
Titans @ Tenn.
Redskins remaining schedule:
@ Atlanta
Cowboys @ Wash
@ NYG
I certainly don't want to see both first round picks going to any trade partner, unless we can recoup another draft pick. Like our two firsts, for the number 1 (Bridgewater) and a high 4th round for that type of jump to number 1 overall (depending on where we end up).
But I digress.
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Agree for the most part with that, especially about Manziel.
What about Bortles though? I have to watch more, but he seems like a viable wildcard
Yeah, I forgot to mention Bortles. I might misconstrue what you mean when you say "wildcard" but if you mean an outside guy who isn't getting alot of press, yeah, he's another of these guys who can sneak into the 1st round conversation but what I've seen doesn't back that up and represents one of the 2nd or 3rd round guys that are developmental.
(But I might want to draft the guy just to get a constant look at his girlfriend, Lyndsey Duke.  )
When Bortles gets to the NFL, he's going to have arguably the slowest release in the league. He really has to gather himself to get power into the throw. That's a concern. He also seems to lose his accuracy as he goes downfield. On the plus side, he's got a great feel in the pocket for escaping, similar to Romo. I love how he keeps his eyes downfield when scrambling around. That's something you can't really teach, it's innate. But Bortles as a 1st rounder? I would have to find more than the 3 games on him I've rewatched, but I don't see a 1st round guy. He's right there with guys like Locker and Ponder. Would be interested to see what you and Vers have to say about him.
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But I digress.
Hardly.  That was useful info. You saved people from having to go digging up data.
Digress more often. 
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Perhaps. But if things go right/wrong, we may end up with the first overall pick anyway. 
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too many of the QBs are going back to school that could have come out and 2 of the guys that have to come out are injured. there goes QB depth.
Exactly.
I'm not a fan of Mettenberger. He looks like a Glass Joe to me who doesn't read defenses all that well.
Manziel is a boom or bust QB, and to me when he gets to the NFL his arm and backyard scrambling are going to expose him.
I've said my peace on Carr.
McCarron is Ken Dorsey with a stronger arm.
Hundley has all the talent in the world and could follow the exact path of AJ Manual, but he's a far from a sure thing. Hundley is just the kind of guy that could be great...but gets over-drafted on. Think Jake Locker.
Now you're getting into the reacher guys who probably aren't first rounders. I'm a fan of Tajh Boyd, but only as a developmental guy.
To me, it's Bridgewater or nothing in the 1st round of this draft.
I agree with most of this. I would add that Mettenberger is a horrible decision maker. I do not see any success for him in the NFL.
And I have not seen enough of Carr to agree or dispute you. The rest I would say is spot on.
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"Hundley has all the talent in the world and could follow the exact path of AJ Manual, but he's a far from a sure thing. Hundley is just the kind of guy that could be great...but gets over-drafted on. Think Jake Locker."
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Hundley needs more time in the oven to be done. At this point he is hard to read because of his lack of experience. My guess is he will be advised to stay in school.
If he decides to come out he could be a unpolished gem who would benefit from sitting behind Campbell/Hoyer for a year or so.
If Bridgewater is unavailable I am of the opinion that Ryan Mallett may come into play.
Lombardi has a close relationship with Belichick. Mallett is under contract till the end of next year. Belichick would surely like to get something for him rather than let him walk to free agency. He may cost a second or third or some type of combo deal.
Hard to know where Mallet is at this point since he has not played. No question about his arm. He can really spin it. How much has he matured under Belichick/Brady? If his mind is right and he has figured out the commitment necessary to be successful. Hell who knows? He may well be worth the risk.
I am in agreement with you about this class. Outside of Bridgewater nobody jumps out to me.
Houston needs to win some games. If Atlanta or the Washington pick (Rams) can get to number one maybe we get a shot at Bridgewater. I can at least hope.
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Mallett's name keeps coming up and damnit if there isn't perfectly sound reasonings for it.
I won't lie about him...I have never liked the guy, and I don't mean as a football player. He may have grown up since his college days but his character has always been a question of mine.
Now about his football prowess...Bone, I have no idea. He doesn't have anything to look at. There's no body of work to try to glean anything from.
The fact is his name has been, and will continue to be, in play.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Mallet. He has some undeniable tools. After prelim evals of this class though he is better than any but Bridgewater IMO.
If we can't get Bridgewater I could understand if we went that route. Personally I'd rather go Bridgewater, Cutler or a late rounder and try next year before trading for Mallet but I could support it more than Carr, Bortles, Manziel, etc in the 1st or 2nd.
I wish I had more confidence in Bortles arm. I like most of his game but he has a real noodles of an arm. Slow release and low velocity. I know you can get away with an average arm but he is not even at Chad Penningtons arm yet IMO.
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Ya know Toad, Mallett is just one those guys that you question. Really you want guys like Peyton, Wilson, Luck. Guys who you know will not have character concerns. Guys who come into the league and just know what it takes to become great. Guys who are never satisfied with what they have done. Guys who always search for excellence.
The one thing that gives me hope on Mallett is the "Patriot Way". If you do not display the effort typically you do not last there.
In the end analysis I just want a guy who I believe in. Hoyer gave a little hope. Campbell to me is a good backup. He is just ok and can hold down the fort for a few games.
Damn, I want a great quarterback. Brady got stiffed all game yesterday. Then the door opened just a crack and wham he kicks it open and takes the game right out of your hands.
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Is it your contention that if Lombardi as well as the majority of talking heads were all wrong on a particular player then that actually means Lombardi wasn't wrong at all?
No, he was still wrong. It is my contention that if Lombardi, as a talking head, misevaluated a player along with most or all of the other talking heads, then that misevaluation is irrelevant when determining Lombardi's skill as a talent evaluator. Same goes for when he was a GM. Counter-intuitive, I know -- but think about it. A talking head or GM is only as good as he is able to evaluate the players for whom there is debate. If every talking head gets it wrong for a player, what good does it do you to blast Lombardi for it when no one got it right?
Same goes for when he was a GM. If most or all GMs evaluated a player wrong, then what good is it to criticize Lombardi for it, as if there is a GM out there that would have done a better job? If most of them are wrong anyway, then it doesn't really matter that Lombardi was wrong about a player. It's the players for whom evaluations are mixed that you will be able to make a definitive statement about Lombardi, and there needs to be a representative sample in order for it to be proven. It's not good enough to look at a single player evaluation he got wrong because perhaps in the long run his accuracy rate is actually good.
I hadn't seen your post detailing the steps you would have done this in before I asked my question. I'll be honest, I am intrigued by your process. I think it's a little too black and white and I can't quite get my head around "throwing out" those instances where everyone agrees - partly because I doubt there is ever hardly a consensus on any pick and partly because I think those evaluations are just as important as the others in determining a guy's ability to evaluate talent.
But it's interesting.
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too many of the QBs are going back to school that could have come out and 2 of the guys that have to come out are injured. there goes QB depth.
Exactly.
I'm not a fan of Mettenberger. He looks like a Glass Joe to me who doesn't read defenses all that well.
Manziel is a boom or bust QB, and to me when he gets to the NFL his arm and backyard scrambling are going to expose him.
I've said my peace on Carr.
McCarron is Ken Dorsey with a stronger arm.
Hundley has all the talent in the world and could follow the exact path of AJ Manual, but he's a far from a sure thing. Hundley is just the kind of guy that could be great...but gets over-drafted on. Think Jake Locker.
Now you're getting into the reacher guys who probably aren't first rounders. I'm a fan of Tajh Boyd, but only as a developmental guy.
To me, it's Bridgewater or nothing in the 1st round of this draft.
I agree with most of this. I would add that Mettenberger is a horrible decision maker. I do not see any success for him in the NFL.
And I have not seen enough of Carr to agree or dispute you. The rest I would say is spot on.
He is spot on about Carr. Put the keys in the ignition and hit it. Get away fast.
Bridgewater will cost more than both our firsts, even if Atlanta wins the sweapstakes.
Cutler isn't the answer.
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The main problem people had with Campbell wasn't Washington or Oakland. It was his stint in Chicago when he replaced a .... injured Cutler. He really looked like it was time to pack it in.
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Mallett's name keeps coming up and damnit if there isn't perfectly sound reasonings for it.
I won't lie about him...I have never liked the guy, and I don't mean as a football player. He may have grown up since his college days but his character has always been a question of mine.
Now about his football prowess...Bone, I have no idea. He doesn't have anything to look at. There's no body of work to try to glean anything from.
The fact is his name has been, and will continue to be, in play.
His most negative attribute is that when the game gets tight, and the pressure is on, he throws picks. He throws picks, makes stupid decisions, and falls apart.
In big games he fell apart in the 3rd and 4th quarters. He is not intelligent, he doesn't read defenses well, he can make horrific decsions, and he gets rattled.
Other than that, he has a big arm. So does weeden, so does anderson, so does...
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But Bortles as a 1st rounder? I would have to find more than the 3 games on him I've rewatched, but I don't see a 1st round guy. He's right there with guys like Locker and Ponder. Would be interested to see what you and Vers have to say about him.
I have written about him several times. I first saw him against S. Carolina early in the year. He impressed the heck out of me and so I started to research him. I wrote about him way back then and said he would be a real sleeper in the 3rd round. I did say he would probably shoot up the boards and end up being a first round guy.
I would snatch him up in a NY minute in the 3rd, but I don't think he is a first round talent.
I think his arm is strong enough. He is a pretty accurate guy, but sometimes sails the ball high. His mechanics are sound. He is a smart guy and doesn't suffer from just being a one read guy. He makes plays when he has to and can buy time in the pocket.
I think he is a developmental guy who would need a couple of years to grow into the position. Solid back-up at worst. Like I said, 3rd round grade in my book, but he'll probably end up being picked in the first round.
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When it comes to Ryan Mallet I cannot get over 2 facts.
1) Lombardi was right about Brian Hoyer. Hoyer came from the Patriots, learned sitting behind Tom Brady. When he got his chance to play here he really injected life into our team and offense. I wish he would not have gotten hurt and we could have seen his game play out over the course of the season.
2) If Lombardi was correct about Hoyer then he could be equally correct about Mallet. Who has also sat and learned behind Tom Brady. I also find him intersesting because Bill Belichick choose Ryan Mallet as the Pats back up and let Hoyer walk.
If Lombardi sees both quarterbacks as starting QB material and Belichick felt that Mallet is better than Hoyer. Hoyer is our projected starter at this time for 2014 then what will it hurt to bring him in for a 3rd round pick instead of rolling the dice on a 1st round QB that may or may not be the answer. If Jamies Winston was the QB we could get in this draft then I would do what it takes to get him. I do not see Bridgewater or any other QB in this draft as that kind of sure fire talent.
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You know I like Bridgewater. I've liked him all year even when all those other guys started getting more love than him. I think he is the safest and most ready of all the collegiate qbs. I understand your scenario. I somewhat agree w/it. I would go about it this way. If Bridgewater is not there, I would not trade up for anyone else. I would draft a developmental guy and then let Hoyer and Campbell battle it out in camp. I would groom the new guy and not succumb to public pressure. He would sit next year. The only other thing I may consider is going after Cutler. I think the guy's skill set fits our offense very well. I know a lot of people hate the guy, but he has talent that no other option can match. And he did show signs of really getting it this year. It's going to be interesting and it will probably get heated. What a surprise, huh? 
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You know I like Bridgewater. I've liked him all year even when all those other guys started getting more love than him. I think he is the safest and most ready of all the collegiate qbs.
I understand your scenario. I somewhat agree w/it. I would go about it this way.
If Bridgewater is not there, I would not trade up for anyone else. I would draft a developmental guy and then let Hoyer and Campbell battle it out in camp. I would groom the new guy and not succumb to public pressure. He would sit next year.
The only other thing I may consider is going after Cutler. I think the guy's skill set fits our offense very well. I know a lot of people hate the guy, but he has talent that no other option can match. And he did show signs of really getting it this year.
It's going to be interesting and it will probably get heated. What a surprise, huh?
i also like bridgewater. now here's the thing:
is he only a junior or is he a senior? if he's a junior, will he be coming out this year for the draft?
lets say that he does. if the FO deems him franchise worthy, do we sell the farm for him, like the skins did for RG3?
the falcons might just have the 1st pick, either them or houston. now, if they are targeting a different QB for whatever reason, or if there are 2 franchise worthy QB's, do we sell the farm to atlanta and take one of them?
or if bridgewater gets selected by houston, do we then trade down? or go BPA?
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I wouldn't do an RG3 deal in this draft class. Sorry, the talent just isn't there.
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I also like Cutler, but we would NEED to have a plan in place for post-Cutler, because his time here would be short-lived, I think. The guy does have talent, but his act would get old really quick in Cleveland. He also has the ability to turn into an interception machine.
Cutler, to me, is an extremely talented placeholder for the QB position.
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Cutler, to me, is an extremely talented placeholder for the QB position.
Which begs the question: Why bother with Cutler at all when we already have a perfectly capable placeholder in Campbell, and another that has flashed some good things in Hoyer?
Seems like some really unnecessary maneuvering for very little gain that will be a LOT more expensive than Campbell.
If you think you're going to be drafting your long-term solution, then you just need a guy that can keep things moving well enough until the new kid catches on well enough to surpass the placeholder; otherwise you're just tying up a ton of money in guys that aren't in your long-term plans.
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Right now Houston and Washington have the worse record. If Washington does worse than Houston by season end, they get the first pick in the draft. Which really means, St. Louis gets the first pick because of the RG iii trade. This will make it interesting due to the fact St. Louis can either trade the pick or Bradford. I'm thinking they trade the pick and stock pile another load of top draft picks. Guess what? Cleveland is the only team having multiple #1's to trade up.
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too many of the QBs are going back to school that could have come out and 2 of the guys that have to come out are injured. there goes QB depth.
Exactly.
I'm not a fan of Mettenberger. He looks like a Glass Joe to me who doesn't read defenses all that well.
Manziel is a boom or bust QB, and to me when he gets to the NFL his arm and backyard scrambling are going to expose him.
I've said my peace on Carr.
McCarron is Ken Dorsey with a stronger arm.
Hundley has all the talent in the world and could follow the exact path of AJ Manual, but he's a far from a sure thing. Hundley is just the kind of guy that could be great...but gets over-drafted on. Think Jake Locker.
Now you're getting into the reacher guys who probably aren't first rounders. I'm a fan of Tajh Boyd, but only as a developmental guy.
To me, it's Bridgewater or nothing in the 1st round of this draft.
I agree, and we aren't going to get him...don't reach for a QB......all in this draft are plain Janes..
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. Cutler is a much better (and yes, expensive) Campbell. He would replace Campbell on the roster, and do what Campbell does, just better, and therefore, for more money. The way I see that making sense is if you get a guy you like in the draft, but won't be ready for at least 2 years (i.e. every QB in this draft with the possible lone exception being Bridgewater). If you need the rook to sit a couple seasons or more, you go with a guy like Cutler to buy you more time. If we end up with one of these raw prospects, and roll with Hoyer/Campbell as our starters, I'm more  than If we end up with same prospect, and roll with Cutler/Hoyer, I'm  for the short-term and the long-term.
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I said this before, and I'll say it again.
How awesome is it to be the Rams right now (draft-wise)???
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The main problem people had with Campbell wasn't Washington or Oakland. It was his stint in Chicago when he replaced a .... injured Cutler. He really looked like it was time to pack it in.
Yeah, you're right, and to anyone using that singular moment in time to judge him, I was always emphatic that it was...at best...very short-sighted to judge him behind that line in a short period of time. That line was pathetic...beyond pathetic...and Campbell was never a guy that could excel behind a bad line the way a Manning does.
He had never lived up to what people wanted him to become in Washington, but he was never nearly as bad as what people thought him to be based on that crushing time behind one of the all-time pathetic offensive lines. That's just a case of fans seeing a few clips on Sportscenter and reading a stat-line and making an assumption.
This guy we're seeing now is what I envisioned Campbell could become. It's most-likely his ceiling.
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yesterday was Mingo's best game of the season. no question. I hope there is more where that came from.
Well it's about time, he's been the league for 13 freaking games, its about time he turned the corner and started playing like a veteran.
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When it comes to Ryan Mallet I cannot get over 2 facts.
1) Lombardi was right about Brian Hoyer. Hoyer came from the Patriots, learned sitting behind Tom Brady. When he got his chance to play here he really injected life into our team and offense. I wish he would not have gotten hurt and we could have seen his game play out over the course of the season.
2) If Lombardi was correct about Hoyer then he could be equally correct about Mallet. Who has also sat and learned behind Tom Brady. I also find him intersesting because Bill Belichick choose Ryan Mallet as the Pats back up and let Hoyer walk.
If Lombardi sees both quarterbacks as starting QB material and Belichick felt that Mallet is better than Hoyer. Hoyer is our projected starter at this time for 2014 then what will it hurt to bring him in for a 3rd round pick instead of rolling the dice on a 1st round QB that may or may not be the answer. If Jamies Winston was the QB we could get in this draft then I would do what it takes to get him. I do not see Bridgewater or any other QB in this draft as that kind of sure fire talent.
If he is correct about Hoyer, then why would we need Mallet?
Another thing that would concern me... If the Patriots let him go/trade away, then that may mean that they dont see him to be the heir apparent or has the skill set.
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Not necessarily. There's nothing that says Brady Can't play for another 3 or 4 seasons, and if that's the case, they can't keep Mallett that long.
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If there is QB that the front office is 90 percent sure that he will be the guy for the next ten years you have to go get him. If their are mixed opinions on him we can back off and fill many of the holes this team has and go with Campbell, and Hoyer next year. I will be the first to admit that I don't see enough college football to make any kind of educated decision.
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Thanks. I wish I could actually follow through on the process to prove its value, but I simply don't have the time for it.
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Not necessarily. There's nothing that says Brady Can't play for another 3 or 4 seasons, and if that's the case, they can't keep Mallett that long.
That's exactly right. Mallett is signed through next year, and then he leaves New England. There is no way New England manages to re-sign him, because there is no way he wants to sit another several years behind a still effective Tom Brady. What competitor would want to do that?
Now whether or not Mallett has NFL talent I don't know ....... but this Browns brain trust has gained some respect as far as the QB spot with me. They took a chance with Weeden to see if he was the guy, but went and got Campbell and Hoyer in case he wasn't. I think that they played the position just about as well as they could have, given where they started out. Could you imagine us playing with Colt McCoy now?  (puke)
Anyway ..... I trust the front office and coaches more than I did when hired ...... so if they go after Mallett I will trust and hope that they are right. I cannot imagine that Mallett would cost more than a 3rd rounder at this point in his career. The Pats could then replace him with a young players in the draft.
Who knows? It will be interesting to see what happens with our QB spot.
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Anybody recall what round NE drafted Mallett???
I still think he can be had for our third rounder, and to me that makes the most sense right now. I doubt we can get to Teddy. It would take our two firsts this year and probably next years as well to get up there- and then is he really worth that.... I would rather take those two firsts and build- could go so many different directions with them.
Bortels is the wildcard, but he is getting hyped right now as right there with Teddy. I don't see it. Carr is a joke, i run from him as fast as i can.... I just don't see what others see in him. His decision making is terrible.
I roll the dice on Mallett for a third rounder. I turn around in the fourth and draft Murray of Georgia. We can still carry 3 QB's with Mallett, Hoyer and Cambell with Murrar on the PUP/IR list recovering from ACL.
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Mallett is not the QB we are looking for
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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First let me say that I agree with the many who seem to believe that if we can't land Bridgewater, no QB in this draft is worth moving up to get.
But I do see a tale of two sides here.
Many seem to believe that we did a great job getting Hoyer who wasn't really on anybody's radar, yet feel we somehow know who and which direction this FO should go in drafting a QB.
I mean it's a fun game to play and all, but what separates our opinions from people who make the big bucks to actually pick players in the draft, is that they get paid to do what we simply can't do.
If that's not the case, the wrong people were hired.
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... what separates our opinions from people who make the big bucks to actually pick players in the draft, is that they get paid to do what we simply can't do.
Do you mean to imply that if we were to get paid, we'd become instant experts (and have the cash to boot)? Where do I sign up? 
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I haven't seen enough of Bortles to commit either way, but have liked what I've seen. I think he has a lot of underrated NFL tools already. The only question is how much upside he has left and we will learn more about him in the offseason in that regard.
I do agree that we do NOT have to draft a QB at all costs, although I felt differently after the disappointing losses to our AFC North rivals.
Some interesting stats to consider:
Campbell/Hoyer have combined for 14 TDs and 6 INTs, 59% comp and a QB rating around 85, which is about league AVG nowadays. The only disappointing stat is the 6.5yds/PA, that would rank bottom 5 in the league.
Those are the stats of good "game managers", similar to what Alex Smith is giving KC right now. If you can protect (especially Campbell) those two QBs and get a bump in run production from horrible to around league AVG, plus more consistency/closing out from the D, THEN I see no reason why we can't be in 2014 what the Chiefs are this season.
That said, I'd go after Cutler hard and try to get something in a trade for Campbell. He has a good contract and after this season I suspect many teams will want to upgrade and value their backup QB position more.
I do not agree that we're good enough to NOT go after Bridgewater. He may be no Luck, but he IS worth our two 1sts imho. Can't be cheap when you need a QB. If we can get him for only those two picks, I'd do it, the TRich pick is a freebee anyway.
How soon we forget: during the season, after all those losses because of bad QB play, posters would trade away the moon for a QB. The closer the draft comes, the more they get cheaper and hang onto the "promise" of draft picks. We're in the best position to land whichever QB we want. This consensus has done a good job and sacrificed some nerves and wins to put us in that situation. It's time to reap the rewards. Don't get cute now.
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I'm not nearly as sold on Cutler as many seem to be. While he is averaging slightly better yards per play with 7.2 in 2012 and the same so far in 2013, his ratio for TD's vs INT's really isn't any better than the combo of Campbell/Hoyer. His QBR was 81.3 in 2011, was 88.4 in 2012 and is 88.4 so far this season. I'm not seeing anything there that jumps out as "so much greater than what we already have". I'm just not on board with that considering the huge contract it would take to keep him here. There is also some concern over his injury history, but nothing too major. I just don't see having to end up throwing a ton of money at this guy. I know he was born in Santa Claus, Indiana, but I don' feel that's enough to be a deciding factor.  JMHO
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There's always going to be something wrong with a QB. Even the great Andrew Luck ad flaws as a prospect: Was he the product of having NFL talent and coaching around him? Does he have the arm strength? Point is, our fanbase is so pessimistic when it comes to draftig QBs we will overanalyze every single one of them and "wait til next year."
Next year for Jameis Winston it will be the fact he has an incredibly talented team and faces weak teams. Also people will probably question his character.
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