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Smith? Fales?
No!
Stop it!
Hey, whatever, as long as its the fourth round or after. This thread isn't about what fourth round project we are going to try to develop into a backup.
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Funny thing about Fales. Early this year before the college season began I started scouting college quarterbacks. Knowing that the Browns would have to look to this draft to find a guy.
There was quite a bit of buzz around Fales because he had a really good year in 2012. The one negative rap on him was arm strength.
Arm strength is nice to have but timing and anticipation can overcome arm strength in most conditions.
Fales displayed real good accuracy. Most times I do not like to make player comparisons because I see each player as an individual. But for some reason he reminded me of Sipe. Although he is a bit bigger.
This year his numbers dropped some but he is a guy who I do like. I would take him over Manziel.
However, I really believe the Browns want to make a big splash with this pending decision, and I doubt that Fales is in their sights.
I am starting to believe that if Bridgewater can not be had they will make a big push for Carr.
For me at this point I have not come to a conclusion with Carr.
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At some point, and SOON, we have to bite the bullet and get our guy(s) on board. We simply cannot wait further...
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Maybe they want to make a splash, but honestly, I haven't seen "splashey" kinda things out of them yet. Could be that this is the year.
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I say suck for Mariota/Winston, throw in the towell, tank it, you name it. Flat out fix the whole season before giving up that much for Bridgewater.
if we tank next season for Winston who may not even come out, then we may end up paying a bigger price than what I had said. we may completely turn off our remaining players and lose a bunch of them or have them develop terrible habits (I do believe that losing is a habit and it's hard to break it).
I'm not messing around either. that's why I'd give up those picks for Bridgewater and move forward. I'm done waiting to win. We have a good enough corps of a team to win now. Let's go get some of the lower profile positions bolstered in FA (OG, S, keep Mack & Ward, give a couple fliers at WR) and go out and take the friggin' NFL by storm.
I hear you. But, I'm talking Super Bowl. Deep into the playoffs stuff. Our talent is improving, but I don't think its high enough to spend: 3 firsts and additional picks, which is what I responded to, and what I agree will end up being the price.
If we had Luck or Wilson right now, we couldn't make it deep into the playoffs. Its just not there. If we had one of them, and had no first round pick this year and next...
I get your point about Winston not coming out.
Seems to me that the only way you get a franchise guy is to purposely (yes I said it) suck, or be smart enough to take the obvious choice (Rothlisberger, Wilson) when they are available. In other words, completely different than we've always done.
Do you remember the book on Wilson when he was coming out? This was the same year as Luck and the other dude. The word was that he was probably the smartest QB coming out that year. He had a strong arm and could play in the cold. His technique was excellent and footwork was outstanding. Mobility and pocket presence was awesome. He had big hands. He was a gym rat and mentally strong. He was a gamer. Then, he goes on the Gruden QB show and clearly blows Luck, Griffin, and Weeden away. If its possible, you need to watch it. Everything he is now, was on display in that show.
Now, in the league its common knowledge that Payton simply worked with his oline (online coach) to develop blocking schemes to create channels for Brees to throw through. It can be done. Watch the Saints. I'm not saying the height thing isn't important, I think it is. But, that year we made a pick that rocketed me off the couch and caused me to react in a way that I've never done. Although I have suffered 50 years of pain, I've never reacted like the way I did on the Weeden pick - Even after "the fumble".
Rothlisberger seemed to me to be an obvious choice. We chose a tight end.
It goes on and on.
You guys are high on Bridgewater. I respect your opinions. But, if we give up both firsts this year, and next years first, then we have to overpay in free agency to get an inside linebacker, a safety, a guard, possibly another receiver, a running back, etc.....
Plus, I don't get the Cutler going to the Texans thing. The Texans are sucking on purpose. Going over to Wade Phillips is a part of it. They aren't stupid. If Bridgewater is as good as you guys think, there is a better chance of Cutler coming here than going to the Texans. And, I don't want that.
With the spread and the pistol/zone read, there are going to be fewer and fewer players with the skill set necessary to play at a high level in the league. Its already affecting colleges and their ability to recruit. Boise State changed their entire offense this year because of it, and their previous offense was the strongest part of their program. High Schools in Florida, Texas, and Cal are going over to it in droves. Be warned.
In baseball there is a thing called a 5 tool player. A franchise QB has more than one or two tools, that is one thing that is certain. Weeden always was a one tool player - ALWAYS! Not sure what tool Colt had (he was a good guy). Quinn, not sure if he had one (I liked Toads description, "the hat, clipboard, in the huddle, walking up to the line, then....). Charlie Frye?
Here is the wildcard if you want to come after me:
Flacco
You guys can come back with, "what about Flacco"? And, I'm not sure how to respond. I couldn't see that one coming. I guess I can pull a **&^% out of my ying yang and hit you with "Ray Ray, Ed Reed, and company getting in his face all these years toughened him up and gave him the cahonas to step up behind an NFL line and bring it home." He's an exception. But, if you want to use Flacco as an example that a Carr, Fales, Smith, etc... are the answer to us being a consistent playoff team, then go ahead. My pain will continue.
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You KNOW you all wanted Grossi's opinion . . .  LINKBrowns quarterback for 2014? Let the speculation begin Dec 18, 2013 -- 6:32am By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com The Morning Kickoff … Quarterback Club: Here we go again. Cleveland is the hotbed of early quarterback chatter for 2014. And soon to be the epicenter. Peter King of themmqb.com kicked off the festivities on Monday when he formally designated the Browns as the logical suitor for Washington Redskins backup quarterback Kirk Cousins. The Redskins are using the last three games of the season to showcase Cousins in hopes of recouping a high draft pick in trade. The franchise mortgaged its future to St. Louis two years ago in the mega-deal for quarterback Robert Griffin 3, who has been shut down by coach Mike Shanahan in an apparent power play vs. owner Daniel Snyder. Remember that the Browns, then “led” by Mike Holmgren, were excoriated locally and nationally for being outbid by the Redskins for the rights to the lithe, elusive and now knee-impaired Griffin. Washington, which has won two playoff games since 1999, received double “atta boys” for not only “smartly” trading three No. 1s and a No.2 for the “can’t-miss” Griffin but also for using a fourth-round pick on Cousins in the same draft. Two years later, the Redskins are a train wreck. Shanahan and Snyder are engaged in an escalating battle over Shanahan’s $7 million contract and Griffin has no idea whom his next coach will be. Cousins, an average college quarterback at Michigan State, somehow has emerged as the flavor-of-the-month for NFL teams desperate at the position. Coincidentally, Cousins’ lone extended play time as a rookie came against the Browns last year when they were coached by Pat Shurmur. Cousins ran the same bootleg pass over and over against Dick Jauron’s defense and put up 329 yards and two touchdowns in a 38-21 Washington win over the Browns. In Cousins’ first start in 2013 last week, he fell two points shy of defeating the 3-10 Atlanta Falcons. That was enough for King to write: “I continue to think Cleveland, using the late-first-round pick acquired from Indy in the Trent Richardson deal, is a realistic spot for Cousins if he plays very well in the final three games.” The obvious question: Why would Browns CEO Joe Banner surrender a first-round pick for a two-bit quarterback taken in the fourth round a year earlier? There’s always Cleveland:There is no more chance of the Browns trading a first-round pick or a second-round pick or a third-round pick for Cousins than the Browns doling out $120 million last year for Joe Flacco. Remember that one? The national narrative was the Browns would make a gigantic offer in free agency for Flacco and “double dip” by stealing the Super Bowl MVP quarterback away from the division rival Baltimore Ravens. There is one theory that that rumor was jointly generated by Flacco’s agent, Joe Linta, and the Browns for a two-fold purpose: 1. It would inflate Flacco’s price-tag, and 2. Force the Ravens to devote incredible salary cap space to re-sign Flacco at the cost of losing other free agents, i.e. Paul Kruger. Sure enough, the Browns signed Kruger to a five-year, $40.485 million contract. He has helped them to a 4-10 record. The Ravens re-signed Flacco for $120.6 million, let a bunch of players go, and are currently in the AFC playoff field with an 8-6 record. They still have a chance to overtake Cincinnati and claim another AFC North title. At some point, the Ravens will realize the gravity of Flacco’s enormous contract and have to do major roster reconfiguring to comply with salary cap rules. At the same point, the Browns may still be suffering double-digit loss seasons and searching for a franchise quarterback. Hey, maybe the Browns will make another run at Flacco then? QB predictions: NFL free agency starts on March 10 and the first round of the 2014 draft is May 8. From now until then, every possible available quarterback will be linked to the Browns. These will include Jay Cutler, Josh McCown, Eli Manning -- Eli Manning? – Sam Bradford, Michael Vick, Ryan Mallett, Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub, and, eternally, Tim Tebow. But this is how I see the quarterback situation unfolding for the Browns: 1. Brian Hoyer will return. 2. Jason Campbell will return. 3. Brandon Weeden will not return. 4. Alex Tanney will return. 5. A quarterback will be drafted in the first round. If Hoyer responds from ACL surgery as expected, he will be designated the starting quarterback in the offseason and will become the 12th different quarterback to start for Browns in Game 1 since 1999. Campbell will settle into the dual role of top backup and mentor to the next hopeful. The quarterback taken in the first round will not be Johnny Manziel. But whom will it be? Let the speculation begin. It is a rite of passage in Cleveland, and this offseason will not disappoint.
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I'm not a fan of ever moving up in a draft but if there ever was a time now would be it. Should Bridgewater be essentially auctioned off I would find it hard to believe he wouldn't be a Brown. As much as I salivate at all these picks we have accumulated I cringe just as severely at taking an QB before round 4 in this class unless it's Teddy.
Teddy isn't perfect. As stated he is no Luck. I do think he is a better NFL QB than Griffin though. He really is very similar to Rodgers as a prospect. Enough leg to create opportunities but he is no Pryor or RG3. He really is top notch across the board as far as arm talent goes. Slightly slight body frame. I think if you give Teddy an average line minimum he will be a very successful QB. The biggest thing I worry about is I always look for the leadership bravado of Brees/Manning/Brady and I don't think it's in him. Not to say that being ice like Rodgers or Ryan is bad but not as good as it gets IMO.
All that said maybe Teddy isn't a 10/10 but he is a 9/10 as far as 1st round QB prospects go. He has top flight potential with how the game is played today and he's a good guy. He is easily worth the no1. Now what is the no1 worth? I expect us to be at pick 4 when all is said and done.
The RG3 trade took a no6, 2 1sts and a 2nd to get to no2. We can only hope for better an expect the same. So should we end up trading for Bridgewater at no1 it would take our 2 1st's, our 2nd and either a 3rd this year or a 2nd next year. I know that doesn't seem to add up right away. The Colts pick is worth more than a future 1st. Just from years of being fascinated with the draft I'd say the Colts pick and a high 3rd this year is worth about the same as 2 future 1sts(especially with one being 2 years down the road). I could see there being a possible undershoot there so even throw in one of our 4ths to make my point.
Is our 2 1st's, 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th worth Bridgewater? I suppose it all depends how you feel about him. I love him and it's really hard to say yes. I really can't even decide. If they feel he is absolutely the guy like I THINK he is I guess I'd back that. We'd still have a nearly full draft missing only a 2nd rounder. A 3rd, 4th and 5th could net a starting MLB, OG, or FS possibly or at least good competition. I almost hope Teddy goes back to Louisville. The thought of trading picks back again is so tempting.
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Depends on what "sells the farm" means: I would pony up both 1sts for it, but not much more. Maybe for a 2nd+3rd too without giving up Indy's 1st.
Campbell or Weeden are not solutions to our problem, that much is clear now. Praying for Hoyer to be "the one" I consider to be naive at best. There's more that speaks against him than for him, all things considered.
For me, it's Cutler or Bridgewater (or Bortles if he declares) and I don't really care how much money it costs to get Cutler in and won't nit pick on the eventual compensation for Bridgewater.
Everything else is further punting our biggest problem into NEXT YEAR yet again.
No Cutler. Age and injuries are mounting.
I make a play to Houston for the #1 pick. Would be sweet if they signed Cutler. Opens the door even more. This is not a slam dunk, I won't even listen to an offer Andrew Luck here. They may like a Bortles, but not at #1. Would they phathom taking yet another Carr at QB in a move down? LOL.
If Turner and Chudzinski tell me to go get Bridgewater, I make a play and make it work.
Try like hell to get that first pick without tapping our #1 in 2015, but if it's a deal breaker you add that 2015 #1 and be done with this mess we call QB in Cleveland. It's that important.
If that doesn't work, then you take Bortles wherever we end up with our first pick.
We are a playoff team right now with a bonafide QB running the show. And we will add multiple pieces this offseason.
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Is our 2 1st's, 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th worth Bridgewater?
I'd do the two 1st's and throw in a 3rd and 4th (even though I don't believe the mid-rounders will be part of a trade scenario). No way I part with a 2015 1st, and am very hesitant to deal away our 2014 2nd. I would consider throwing in our 2015 2nd if it was necessary to get the deal done...
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The problem is Washington horribly overpaid to move up to get RGIII. Any team moving down is going to be negotiating off that deal. Historically though, it hasn't taken that much. The price to move up from where we are projected should be our 1st this year (~#5 overall), our 1st next year, and our second this year (we keep the indy pick).
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would 2 1s, and our 2 3rds be enough?
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The price to move up from where we are projected ...
I believe we are currently projected to draft in the #4 slot. I'd give our two 1st's and a 3rd and 4th, or a 2nd in 2015 as I said previously. I'm not going to overpay nor put our 2014 and 2015 drafts in serious jeopardy...
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I think drafting Cousins was a brilliant move by the Redskins although many NFL analysts were scratching their heads that day.
1. It was an insurance policy in case RG3 and his love for running led to an injury.
2. It was an upgrade over their other backups.
3. After purging most of their early picks to get RG3, if Cousins showed some ability and attracted other teams over a couple of years, they may be able to get a nice ROI.
Unfortunately, the overall situation the Redskins are in, they won't be the ones determining the value for Cousins. They suck and are desperate to re-coup something for him. If the suitors are limited, they may be forced to take whatever their offered and move on, which would still probably be higher than what they used to draft him.
If someone would offer a second rounder for him I bet the Redskins would take it in a heartbeat.
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Carr looked good in that game vs. Fales.
I really worry about him being like his brother, though. A lot of people put all the blame on David Carr's OL, and they were bad, but the elder Carr couldn't read coverages and held the ball way too long. Very similar problems that Timid had and Weeden has. There are rumblings that the younger Carr suffers from the same issue.
I can't stand a QB who holds the ball too long. They make their lines look bad. They make their receivers look bad. They alienate teammates because the press and fans blame the OL for poor protection and the receivers for not getting open. While Carr has some very good skills, I really worry about his ability to read coverages.
In fact, that is my concern w/almost every single QB that is still in college. That doesn't mean they can't read coverages, it's just they haven't been asked to do so very often. The top two guys who have read coverages are probably Bridgewater and Bortles. I feel they are the safest guys. The big dude at LSU---Mettenberger--also reads coverages, but I think that guy is an injury waiting to happen.
It's going to be a tough call for our FO on how to solve this problem. Lot's of risky decisions.
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With college quarterbacks reading defenses can be misleading. So much depends on the offensive system that they are asked to run. Other factors come into play as well. The conference they play in and the teams they face.
Hell most of the college games I see I wonder sometimes if they play defense. They run up numbers that just so not translate.
The NFL defenses are just so much more sophisticated. The players are so much better, so much faster. The game is blur by comparison.
Some guys like Luck and Bridgewater you were able to see so much more because of their role in the offense and the offense they run.
Guys coming out of read options and spreads are playing a different game.
The one guy that surprised me was Newton. I thought he had great physical tools but the offense he was in at Auburn was nothing like the NFL. I thought it would take much longer than it has to pick up the NFL game.
Most college quarterbacks coming into the NFL really need a year or more on the bench. Especially these guys that come out early. Peyton and Luck stayed in and they had mad skills and played in offenses that were more NFL like.
Bridgewater is one of the very few that I have seen that appears ready to play the NFL game. He just a very advanced player at his position.
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But why? Why does everyone say he's so advanced? Most of the passes he completes are to stationary targets? At least that's what I have seen in the three or so games I've watched of him since the Florida game.
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First the offense "he runs". He plays under center as well as shotgun. He reads the field. He uses his legs but keeps his vision downfield. He makes every throw that would be required in the NFL. He does not stare down one receiver. He spreads the ball around. Has a great feel for pressure. Suburb pocket presence. Knows when to drill it and when to put touch on the ball. Has accuracy to all parts of the field.
In addition to what he displays on the field from what I have read from those close to him he seems to possess great maturity for a young man.
Of course you never really know for sure but I would love to get this kid.
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I think he does a nice job of throwing to guys in stride. Here is a really good article about Bridgewater. It starts off w/his negatives, but the article includes really good pictures and demonstrates how Teddy can read defenses/coverages, go through progressions, deal w/a pass rush, and throw w/anticipation and accuracy. Enjoy. http://presnapreads.com/2013/10/18/1731/
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Good article.
His ability to keep the whole field in sight will prove to be a great asset at the next level.
Watching Bridgewater you can not help but feel his calmness in the pocket. He just never seems to rattle.
The NFL is played so fast that most of the time chaos seems to rule. Quarterbacks have to have the ability to remain calm but be quick. The area of the game that Weeden lacks so dramatically.
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That was a good article. I enjoyed it. It won't get the attention that Grossi's stupid "If I were the owner" article is, but it sure as heck is a lot more enlightening.
bonefish, it would be wonderful if we somehow could get Teddy B. It would be even better if we could let him sit for a year or two behind Hoyer. We would be pretty darn solid at QB w/the trio of Hoyer, Campbell, and Teddy.
Do you think we'll ever get lucky and have such a dream come to fruition? Or will we end up drafting another reach like Timid, BQ, or Weeden and watch them prove they have absolutely no clue as to how read defenses and coverages?
Aren't we due to get lucky?
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Aren't we due to get lucky?
Aren't we a decade or 2 past due?
I remember when the name Irsay, and the Colts team were a league wide joke.Then they finally found their QB, and the jokes all stopped.
Man, they lost Manning, and immediately replaced him with Luck. It hardly seems fair. However, if luck and fair played into things, we'd draft All Pro quality players in the 1st 3 rounds of our next 5 drafts.
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We are so overdue for some luck it is beyond the imagination.
Last night I watched " A Football Life" Marty Schottenheimer. Very interesting to me and I have to admit I got a little emotional. Marty in my mind was a really good coach. But man, he had no luck at all. Almost to the point of being hexed.
Just as in life one small stone or a different choice can change the path so dramatically.
Our hope for Bridgewater could happen but of course we will need some of that luck for once to go our way. If that does not happen we need to luck out on a guy who at this point looks a little unpolished but can turn into a true gem.
We are on the same page of just wanting a quarterback who becomes the savior for this team. Somebody who you look too in the fourth quarter with the game on the line and you feel this guy can make it happen. I want a Hall of Famer, man.
This team is closer in overall talent than we have been for quite some time. The New England game proves the point that when we get good play at quarterback we can compete. Consistent good play at quarterback along with a few more pieces and who knows maybe we could knock the door down.
The Browns are at that crossroad where this free agency and this draft either we jump forward or else we are lost for years. And as we know it all hinges on the choice they make at quarterback.
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Carr looked good in that game vs. Fales.
I really worry about him being like his brother, though. A lot of people put all the blame on David Carr's OL, and they were bad, but the elder Carr couldn't read coverages and held the ball way too long. Very similar problems that Timid had and Weeden has. There are rumblings that the younger Carr suffers from the same issue.
I can't stand a QB who holds the ball too long. They make their lines look bad. They make their receivers look bad. They alienate teammates because the press and fans blame the OL for poor protection and the receivers for not getting open. While Carr has some very good skills, I really worry about his ability to read coverages.
In fact, that is my concern w/almost every single QB that is still in college. That doesn't mean they can't read coverages, it's just they haven't been asked to do so very often. The top two guys who have read coverages are probably Bridgewater and Bortles. I feel they are the safest guys. The big dude at LSU---Mettenberger--also reads coverages, but I think that guy is an injury waiting to happen.
It's going to be a tough call for our FO on how to solve this problem. Lot's of risky decisions.
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Have watched Carr for 4 years. This is the first year he hasn't tanked his team by making one turnover after another. Having a beast receiver always helps with college QB's. His was a beast and the defenses he played against were very, very subpar. Fresno played a very weak schedule. Toads breakdown on him is spot on except that up until this year he was an interception machine.
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Smith? Top 5 pick? He, he....
If there is a way to watch the game he played against an unusually weak Boise defense please do it. That will end the discussion...
Fales? If it takes a really long time for the ball to get to the receiver, how do you justify putting him up against NFL coverages? If you watched the San Jose vs. Fresno game, Fresno's def backfield is horrible!
I don't like dissing on Mountain West teams or kids. But, this is the Browns.
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I think he does a nice job of throwing to guys in stride. Here is a really good article about Bridgewater. It starts off w/his negatives, but the article includes really good pictures and demonstrates how Teddy can read defenses/coverages, go through progressions, deal w/a pass rush, and throw w/anticipation and accuracy.
Enjoy.
http://presnapreads.com/2013/10/18/1731/
This will help immensely.
Mariota may be rethinking return to Oregon
The standout redshirt sophomore quarterback announced on Dec. 3 that he intended to return to the Ducks in 2013, but has since requested his grade from the NFL Advisory Committee, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed.
Underclassmen have until Jan. 15 to declare for the NFL Draft, and the Advisory Board is a free evaluative service regularly utilized by underclassmen to gauge where they may be drafted before making the decision to forgo eligibility. Mariota's request would appear to indicate he may at least still mulling his options.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mariota-may-rethinking-return-oregon-210022056--ncaaf.html
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I think he does a nice job of throwing to guys in stride. Here is a really good article about Bridgewater. It starts off w/his negatives, but the article includes really good pictures and demonstrates how Teddy can read defenses/coverages, go through progressions, deal w/a pass rush, and throw w/anticipation and accuracy.
Enjoy.
http://presnapreads.com/2013/10/18/1731/
This will help immensely.
Mariota may be rethinking return to Oregon
The standout redshirt sophomore quarterback announced on Dec. 3 that he intended to return to the Ducks in 2013, but has since requested his grade from the NFL Advisory Committee, NFLDraftScout.com has confirmed.
Underclassmen have until Jan. 15 to declare for the NFL Draft, and the Advisory Board is a free evaluative service regularly utilized by underclassmen to gauge where they may be drafted before making the decision to forgo eligibility. Mariota's request would appear to indicate he may at least still mulling his options.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mariota-may-rethinking-return-oregon-210022056--ncaaf.html
Yeah, I heard this on the radio yesterday and got a little excited. Not just because I like Mariota but it does increase the supply of QBs in the top 10.
If the FO wanted to go with Hoyer as the starting QB in 2014, I think Mariota could be a nice draft piece to sit, watch, and develop. Heck, the kid is only 20 years old.
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I think this is good news because it might increase our chances of getting Bridgewater. However, I hope the Browns are not enamored with Mariota. He has talent, but Stanford really confused him by disguising their coverages. Arizona did the same thing later on. And even though the Ducks scored a lot, Oregon St. gave him some problems w/more sophisticated coverages.
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Mariota has the talent. At this point he is the product of his system. He is only 20 and he needs experience. His decision to stay in school was the right choice for him. I doubt that he will change his mind.
If he did and the Browns got him there would be no rush to throw him into the starters role. A year on the bench learning under Turner and Chud this kid could be special. He has all the tools plus from what I have read on the kid tremendous work ethic, character and leadership.
Hundley is another guy who needs more time at the college level but I believe that Mariota is still the best prospect long term.
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When Mariota played Stanford his offensive line was handed their jocks on every single snap. Every single snap.
Oregon's running game was non-existent.
Oregon's wide receivers were exposed for every weakness they had. To compare Oregon's wide receivers to Florida State, Clemson, A&M, etc. would be embarrassing. They weren't very good.
My view of the problem with Mariota is that he didn't seem to rebound from that game. It carried on for the rest of the season.
Many have reported (Patrick, etc.) that Mariota was hurt before the Stanford game.
Who knows?
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Mariota's value dips somewhat due to the NFL's catching up with the zone read pistol deal. Early in the season he looked like a potential Kapernick/Griffin hybrid.
Carr
You will get to see all you want against an unmotivated team, on its third Head Coach of the season, tomorrow. However, SC does have far more talent than any other team he's faced all season.
Set your DVR's
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If he doesn't project extremely well into OUR offense, then we have no business looking at him. How the NFL handles the college-level offenses should be immaterial because we're not going to be switching to it for him.
Browns is the Browns
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I watched the Stanford/Oregon game.
Mariota struggled reading coverages.
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I struggled reading coverages, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, when the defensive line got back to my pocket before I did. Actually, I probably always struggled reading coverages, but I digress.
I can't remember him ever having time to make a progression. Maybe, but I watched every play, and I can't remember it. The one good play he made the whole game was where they chased him from the pocket and he threw back accoss his body, accross the field, and hit his receiver for a nice gain. That was about it.
Once again, there is scuttlebutt out there that he was hurt in that, or before that game.
So, he's running for his life, with receivers who get no separation, running poor routes, .....
Maybe he really doesn't read coverages well, but that game would be difficult to evaluate him on. I don't like his receivers. His O Line are worse than the receivers.
I will bet that Carr's stud receiver tomorrow gets far better separation on most of his targets than any of the Oregon guys in the Stanford game.
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I respect your opinion. It's okay if we disagree on it. Heck, most of the football world thinks the guy is great, so it could be me who is wrong. I do wanna say that I wasn't arguing about his OL and his WRs. I just noticed that he looked confused because Stanford was mixing up their coverages. I seem to be in the minority, but I really prefer Bridgewater. I love his intelligence. I love his touch. I love how he keeps his eyes downfield. I like how he handles the rush. I just think this guy is going to be an excellent QB. He isn't as flashy as Mariota, Manziel, and others, but he is the qb who has the best shot of succeeding in the NFL. I compare it to how people viewed Luck and RGIII. Almost everyone loved RGIII over Luck. He was flashy. He gave great news conferences. He looked pretty in the pocket. He was dynamic. Luck looks kinda like a West Virginia inbreed. The funny thing is that I think he is the smartest QB around. I have always preferred Luck over RGIII and it kinda galled me to see the latter getting all the hype and awards. Heck, there were people on the boards saying that Weeden was a good as Luck last year. Now, I am not saying that Bridewater is as good as Luck, but I like cerebral QBs who make plays in the passing game. I like guys who read defenses pre-snap and coverages post snap. I like guys who are extremely accurate. But, that's just me. 
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I seem to be in the minority, but I really prefer Bridgewater.
No, you are in step with pretty much the universal consensus on that one. Bridgewater is the top-rated QB in every major rating that I have seen.
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Check the link that Vers left for the website up a page or so. Good coaches tape, good views of Bridgewater going through his reads and progressions (and a great breakdown of Haden).
Is Bridgewater the kind of guy who can come to Cleveland from South Florida, function at a very high level, and lead the team to the Super Bowl?
Yes or No (Leadership only)
Does he have it?
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I seem to be in the minority, but I really prefer Bridgewater.
No, you are in step with pretty much the universal consensus on that one. Bridgewater is the top-rated QB in every major rating that I have seen.
I think the vast majority of people prefer Bridgewater over Mariotta and preferred Luck over RGIII. If may seem opposite because there is/was more talk about Mariotta/RGIII. Reason being is that we knew that there was absolutely zero chance that we could get Luck and small if any chance we will be able to get Bridgewater.
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No, you are in step with pretty much the universal consensus on that one. Bridgewater is the top-rated QB in every major rating that I have seen.
....As well as pretty much everyone on here from what I gather. Just because people praise Mariota doesn't mean they think he is better than Bridgewater at this point in time. It just means they like what he may be able to do in the NFL.
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A small school guy to keep an eye later in the draft is Brock Jenson North Dakota State University.
6'3" 225# 30 td to 6 int though admittedly against lesser competition.
Big accurate arm though.
21 of 30 with 2 td and 1 int vs Kansas St which was the only big school NDSU played against.
Not a come in and start guy but a 2-3 year project. I would definitely take a chance on him in the late rounds.
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Update: Division 1 semifinal NDSU vs New Hampshire currently on espn 2. At the half Jenson has 3td and 1 int
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