OTOH (and don't let this post confuse people that I'm pro-Manziel) -- given that he grew up with plenty of money, you can be more sure that money isn't going to change him... the same way that it can change guys who have been living in poverty their whole life.
His friends are more likely to be wealthy, his family knows how to manage assets, find trustworthy managers, etc. He's unlikely to have 500 people a weak reminding him how they are his second cousin twice removed...and they really need a new car.
In some sense, the lifestyle he lives now (due to money) is the one almost all NFL players live once they are in the NFL -- things are less likely to change for him going from college to top-10 draft pick, compared to the average NFL player.
Quote: I did not. I was more thinking about his off the field antics than on field.
he has concerns about maturity... but football mental toughness I don't think you should worry about... he's still a young kid and you hope gets more mature as he gets older, but he's about to have a ton of cash and typically that doesn't go well with immature kids.
Quote: OTOH (and don't let this post confuse people that I'm pro-Manziel) -- given that he grew up with plenty of money, you can be more sure that money isn't going to change him... the same way that it can change guys who have been living in poverty their whole life.
His friends are more likely to be wealthy, his family knows how to manage assets, find trustworthy managers, etc. He's unlikely to have 500 people a weak reminding him how they are his second cousin twice removed...and they really need a new car.
In some sense, the lifestyle he lives now (due to money) is the one almost all NFL players live once they are in the NFL -- things are less likely to change for him going from college to top-10 draft pick, compared to the average NFL player.
Affluenza.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Quote: With Pettine stating in the presser that he want's tough players, both physically and mentally, it makes me wonder if Manziel can fit that bill. No question the kid is tough physically, but I'm not so sure about the mental part.
Did you watch the game vs. Duke? Mental toughness should be one of the last concerns with Manziel.
I agree. I'd also say the guy isn't a punk, as in a skinny weakling. The guy is a wirey SOB who is tough as a nail. I like Boxing....he reminds me of Danny Green.....looks like him IMO.....Danny was one tough piece of rawhide....I see Johnny in the same way.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
My problem with Manziel is the same one I had with Cam Newton...
Do he want to be a great quarterback in the NFL...
Or does he just want to be a popular one...
I'm not saying either of them can or can't be a great QB...
I just want a guy who at least has the drive TO BE one...
"First in, Last out" all that crap... Convince me you're here to win, and not just be talked about because of where you were drafted and what position you play...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
From everything I've heard Manziel is a hard worker. He just likes to have fun as well (too much fun in the case of the Manning Passing Academy incident).
OL send them out to where the waves are breaking and they have to maintain balance and KNEE BEND or get blown away from the waves.
Also footwork drills in the sand - outside of the obvious what Manziel doesn't realize is he is strengthening his ankles like you wouldn't believe... Nice clip...hope it wasn't for show and the kid is working hard. Man I hope he is there at #4 and we pull the trigger
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I just want a guy who at least has the drive TO BE one... "First in, Last out" all that crap... Convince me you're here to win, and not just be talked about because of where you were drafted and what position you play...
This is why I loved hearing the reports on QB Carr and WR Mathews were early working on their game, were staying late working on their game and if one was missing they were out throwing and running routes. Plus when the wind was whipping on tuesday, Carr stood out.
I don't know where to put this as I'm a few weeks behind the times.
But what was your guys take on Luck's playoff performance? He did have the misfortune of playing against KC and Belichik but man 6 TD vs. 7 Ints wasn't very impressive to me.
I think there is a large issue that these young QBs seem to be at a huge disadvantage compared to seasoned vets when it comes to playoffs. Even if we get our superstar QB it could be years and years until he is seasoned enough to get us to the big game. Or I'm completely wrong and Russell Wilson proves that
I think the problem Luck had is his team is really awful. He has to do almost everything for them to even compete in a game. His OL is pretty bad and gets pressured on almost every play. His running backs are below average and his receivers are downright pathetic as a group.
They aren't that great defensively, as well. Thus, he has to put up a lot of points.
here is the answer. horrible receiver play. How bad is receiver play in the National football league? I would say Gordon, yes Gordon may actually be in the top 20% of route runners in this league. That isnt praise for Josh gordon either.
Senior bowl all week including yesterday, the QB play was suspect at times but over and over and over, I saw guys rounding their routes, they telegraphed the route and can someone please finish a route completely. The only guy I saw run a comeback and really came back to the ball was the kid from Vandy.
For years, I have stated that drafting a QB is harder because of how many guys are coming out of Spread offenses. It's pretty much one read and either throw or run.
The part that isn't talked about too much is that WRs are not asked to do a lot of precise route running in these offenses. Thus, they struggle in that department when they get to the NFL.
or one could say an Over all #1 picking team without him. I like the kid I am so afraid the NFL might miss out on a great Super star QB (Archie Manning n Dan Pastorini come in mind) and will he survive the hits. Maybe not the most sacked QB but I think he is the most HIT QB in the NFL - I know he was his rookie season. Not sure this year?
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Quote: here is the answer. horrible receiver play. How bad is receiver play in the National football league? I would say Gordon, yes Gordon may actually be in the top 20% of route runners in this league. That isnt praise for Josh gordon either.
Senior bowl all week including yesterday, the QB play was suspect at times but over and over and over, I saw guys rounding their routes, they telegraphed the route and can someone please finish a route completely. The only guy I saw run a comeback and really came back to the ball was the kid from Vandy.
Its not being coached as well, as detailed, as precisely as it was in the day.
Coaches don't spend as much time on technical skill training.
If coaches ask for the same things in training that we used to, players don't always take it seriously. Its much harder for coaches to expect precise adherence to our demands. You have to sell them, and its a constant and continuous sell.
Play receiver on a team that Peyton or Brady quarterbacks, and the routes will be precise or you will be gone.
From everything I've heard Manziel is a hard worker. He just likes to have fun as well (too much fun in the case of the Manning Passing Academy incident).
Looks like he's gained a little weight.
I think Whitfield is really good.
The thing about Manziel is he is so game quick.
If his position coach can get him to be as coachable as Whitfield has him in this video then...
I know so many announcers/analyst game day as I saw quite a few of his games this season were remarking on how much he improved on his technique 2013 compared w/2012. Maybe due to his coaching up by this guru. Which again tells me he is coach able.
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Quote: I think the problem Luck had is his team is really awful. He has to do almost everything for them to even compete in a game. His OL is pretty bad and gets pressured on almost every play. His running backs are below average and his receivers are downright pathetic as a group.
They aren't that great defensively, as well. Thus, he has to put up a lot of points.
I believe they are a 3 or 4 win team w/out him.
I believe they were a 2 win team without him, the year before they drafted Luck.
I mean yeah, Peyton went down for the year and they answered that with Kerry Collins, but that team just isn't good outside of 2 or 3 guys.
Well, at least they'll have the draft to get better right? LOL whoops.
One influential Texas A&M fan is hoping to continue rooting for Johnny Manziel as he enters the NFL draft this year.
Tony Buzbee, an attorney and Texas A&M regent, commissioned a billboard in the Houston area encouraging the Texans to draft Manziel with the first pick in the May draft.
The billboard reads "Keep Johnny football in Texas!" and directs people to DraftJohnnyManziel.com.
Buzbee's website, which features an altered photograph of Manziel in a Texans jersey, contains a petition to compel Texans owner Bob McNair to draft the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner.
"This site is dedicated to supporting Johnny Manziel as the No. 1 draft pick of the Houston Texans in 2014," says a note on the site. "To win in the NFL, a team must have a quarterback with strong leadership skills, a winning attitude and lots of talent. Johnny Manziel is a winner and he is a unique talent. College football has never seen anything like him."
Buzbee and McNair are neighbors, the Galveston Daily News reported.
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PLEASE houston. draft his ass so we can get Teddy.
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Quote: This is why I loved hearing the reports on QB Carr and WR Mathews were early working on their game, were staying late working on their game and if one was missing they were out throwing and running routes. Plus when the wind was whipping on tuesday, Carr stood out.
But I mean, come on. You don't think that at least theses guy's agents don't say to them something like "Hey, Derek. Make sure you spend some time coming in early and staying late and work on your routes. Even if it makes no difference in the game, that's the impression you want to give the scouts." Obviously it would be something different than those words, but you get the gist.
They're preparing these guys for the draft, Derek might be a 1st round pick. I mean, anyone can think of that and say it makes sense. Heck, both of these kid's fathers could have found each other on facebook or through a coach and planned that all out. Any little thing to boost their reputation. I'm more interested in what these guys do when they don't know they're being watched, etc. Do they live football all year or just when the scouts are watching?
Quote: I think the problem Luck had is his team is really awful. He has to do almost everything for them to even compete in a game. His OL is pretty bad and gets pressured on almost every play. His running backs are below average and his receivers are downright pathetic as a group.
They aren't that great defensively, as well. Thus, he has to put up a lot of points.
I believe they are a 3 or 4 win team w/out him.
You're spot on.
Colts once again don't know how to build around a once in a generation franchise QB. They need that QB to play out of their mind.
I think they are trying to run more because teams didn't respect their running game and their line wasn't very good....which allowed teams to pin their ears back and pummel Luck. The kid has been taking a beating.
Therefore, they correctly deduced that running the ball is a smart thing to do.
Quote: I think the problem Luck had is his team is really awful. He has to do almost everything for them to even compete in a game. His OL is pretty bad and gets pressured on almost every play. His running backs are below average and his receivers are downright pathetic as a group.
They aren't that great defensively, as well. Thus, he has to put up a lot of points.
I believe they are a 3 or 4 win team w/out him.
You're spot on.
Colts once again don't know how to build around a once in a generation franchise QB. They need that QB to play out of their mind.
To be fair, I believe they took an OG and a C with 2 of their first 3 picks last year, using their top pick on a DE... Plus, with all those years that Manning was there, there constantly drafting late in the draft.. rather than say the Colts don't know how to do it, I think it shows how good (sometimes lucky) teams like the Pats are that seem to be able to sustain that level..
IMO if it wasn't for the success of Russell Wilson Johnny Manziel would be a 4th round pick. He is severely undersized (5'11ish) and has a below average arm. No, I don't think he can make all the throws requried. That means throwing out routes on a dime and stick throws outside the numbers. He seems like a hash to hash thrower who's passes float.
Quote: IMO if it wasn't for the success of Russell Wilson Johnny Manziel would be a 4th round pick. He is severely undersized (5'11ish) and has a below average arm. No, I don't think he can make all the throws requried. That means throwing out routes on a dime and stick throws outside the numbers. He seems like a hash to hash thrower who's passes float.
Disagree with a few points, agree with others (see my post in the video thread):
1.) His best throw is the lob to the corner on the fade route - he's highly accurate there. And he possesses an NFL arm (below average, but survivable) to make those sort of throws.
2.) I think he's particularly poor within the hashes, he doesn't have the arm strength necessary to thread the ball.
3.) My guess is that he comes in around 6'1"
4.) He makes a lot of nice plays - I see him as a late first, early second round guy.
5.) I really don't see him as much of a scrambling threat in the NFL. He's maybe a Russell Wilson level scrambler. But not RG3/Newton/Kaepernick Level
Hard to question Bridgewater's numbers on the field. I guess because he doesn't grab headlines off field some may think of him as a wallflower. But it appears his dedication, commitment, and intelligence can not be held against him.
Since he is tall enough, and his hand size is good I guess should really worry about his "slight frame".
BUT GUESS What? I do not worry about a damn thing regarding Teddy Bridgewater because he can play quarterback better than any other prospect in this draft.
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