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Said it before and the mindset is still rock solid - do what you must to assure you get Teddy. Unfortunately, everything seems to be pointing to Johnny Football. 
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The reason most didn't focus on Bridgewater was because they assumed he would be gone... and most still do. If you go back a month or so, almost every post said, in one way or another... "I'd love to have Bridgewater, but since he'll be gone....."
That's why so much attention has been focused on Manziel.. that and he's different, he appears to have a very high ceiling but he also may have a very low floor.. that makes him harder to judge.
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The reason most didn't focus on Bridgewater was because they assumed he would be gone... and most still do. If you go back a month or so, almost every post said, in one way or another... "I'd love to have Bridgewater, but since he'll be gone....."
That's why so much attention has been focused on Manziel.. that and he's different, he appears to have a very high ceiling but he also may have a very low floor.. that makes him harder to judge.
Agreed. It was like Andrew Luck and RG3 two years ago. Everyone was arguing about RG3. No one talked about Luck, because no one thought we could get him. And reality was, we couldn't get Andrew Luck.
Give me Teddy Bridgewater over Johnny Football. And I like Johnny Football, I just get nervous about parts of his game translating. And the guy I don't care much for is Blake Broyles. I get even more nervous about him than Johnny Football. I've watched some games of his, his arm really isn't that impressive. He might become a good QB, great size, good athleticism, and he has plenty of arm strength, but I don't see consistency like I do with Bridgewater. If we were picking like 16 or something, sure, Blake Broyles sounds like a decent idea. But choosing him over sure things like Sammy Watkins would be very very silly
But Bridgewater has two seasons of good production, he's athletic (but smart), and he's got a great arm with numbers to back it up
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I still want to know what kind of offense we're going to run before I decide which QB I want.
I am a bit leery of Shanahan because all three of the QBs I want are athletic enough to run for yardage but none of them are particularly sturdy.
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I still want to know what kind of offense we're going to run before I decide which QB I want.
I am a bit leery of Shanahan because all three of the QBs I want are athletic enough to run for yardage but none of them are particularly sturdy.
Prior to having RG3 - I don't think of Shanahan as a guy who particularly made his QBs run a lot. He had Matt Schaub as a QB for a few years -right?
The thing with RG3 is - if you don't let him run, he's worthless. It's the biggest problem with his game. There was nothing physically wrong with him this year from the waist up. But without elite mobility, he was exposed as a below-average QB.
It's a problem I anticipate Manziel having in the NFL as well. He simply has to run to be effective. Bridgewater and Bortles can run, but I don't think its such a critical part of their games.
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I'm confused. Are you saying knee injuries don't affect someone's ability to play QB?
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I'm confused. Are you saying knee injuries don't affect someone's ability to play QB?
It affected his ability to run much more than it affected his ability to be a drop back passer?
Peyton Manning would have been fine at the same level of recovery as RG3 was for most of this year.
QBs that rely on their mobility are not only more susceptible to knee injuries but their recovery from them takes longer....
I think it's pretty clear.
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As with most things, its not an absolute. Case in point, Carson Palmer. He was never a scrambler, pure drop back passer, gets his knee injured and the guy has never been the same. Whether its his knee or his head matters little, its affected the guy.
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As with most things, its not an absolute. Case in point, Carson Palmer. He was never a scrambler, pure drop back passer, gets his knee injured and the guy has never been the same. Whether its his knee or his head matters little, its affected the guy.
That dirty hit by Kimo Von Offenhoffen (or however the heck you spell his name) ruined his career. Awful hit, felt terrible for Carson.
And what do the Steelers do after having their DT take out Palmer's knee? Beat the Bengals and go on to win a superbowl. So sad
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Said it before and the mindset is still rock solid - do what you must to assure you get Teddy.
Unfortunately, everything seems to be pointing to Johnny Football.
The real pick is rarely ever leaked. Always silence. No one talked about Mingo except us on the board. Especially after Kruger was signed. While I like Johnny I think it's most likely a ploy to get someone to trade ahead of us for him. I doubt Johnny Football is a Brown. The level of leaks seems constructed.
Notice all the hoopla came out right after the Houston owner said they were open to trade? If Houston wants Johnny they can't trade behind Cleveland  So if they want him they have to take him at 1 unless they want to risk it which no NFL team would. A ploy for Teddy to fall to 2? God I hope so.
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Most people here did not consider Mingo to be particularly likely either (I know I didn't). I think most people were thinking it would be Milliner, Jordan or maybe Ansah.
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Jordan and Ansah were off the Board, so we will never know if they were targets.
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Jordan and Ansah were off the Board, so we will never know if they were targets.
Oh, I agree - they were just the people the board was talking about the most.
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There was a piece on Grantland a long while back that said that Mingo was our only choice for that #6 spot.
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I want either Teddy or Johnny Football. No one else.
I think Teddy is the better QB because he is the most cerebral qb. He is only second to Luck in that regard in the past several years. A lot of guys love guys w/big arms and big bodies...........and they love guys like Carr and Weeden. Me, I like smart guys who can make plays.
Teddy is my guy, but I do have to say that there is something about Manziel that speaks to me in regards to passing on him could be one of the biggest mistakes we have ever made. He's got "it." Think about the Super Bowl hype. Who would the reporters be flocking to if the Browns were in the Super Bowl? Joe T? Haden? Ward? Gordon? Really? We have no real star power. Johnny Football can give us that. Some may dismiss it...................I do not.
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There was a piece on Grantland a long while back that said that Mingo was our only choice for that #6 spot.
Yes. If Mingo wasn't there we had the opportunity to trade out. He was the guy we were targeting all along.
(The analytical data had Mingo as the best pass rusher in the draft. Our front office uses analytics as much as any front office in the league.)
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I've come to the same conclusion myself. When running these draft simulators I found myself selecting these two guys over and over again.
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I also would only wish Teddy or JM as a first round investment...after the first round I'll leave it up to the scouts on who is thought of as developmental.
I don't believe all this talk about Teddy dropping. I think before and now he is the obvious Overall #1 pick and I hope the Texans do not do something stupid like take JM as a Texan Marketing thing over Teddy.
Teddy at #2 Rams I think will be very auction able similar to the RG3 auction...where as I do not think JM will take on the same market value in an auction. But if JM goes #1 we will be almost forced to give up a lot to move up for #2 spot and get Teddy.
I would love to have either - and I still would hope that Hoyer would start and mentor the young future franchise QB. How Hoyer plays would determine how long they would sit. Brees had Rivers (an overall #4 pick) sitting for 3 years?
If we should be so lucky fine with me  More than likely a one year at best QB stint.
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I agree Eo. I think Hoyer is indeed a wildcard in all of this. He just might be our guy. Had he not been injured we might not be talking about QB at all.
My opinion sways on this subject. I like Manziel, and also like Bridgewater, but now am starting to think maybe we take another QB later.....maybe 2nd round....and add Watkins, or even trade back a bit because somebody is going to want him or Clowney. Lot's of possibilities.
As Steve said, once we hire the offensive staff and hear from them as to what their vision of a O should be, it's hard to say who would be the best selection.
Another wildcard is Pettine himself. He is a defensive guy. He may want Clowney. Probably a remote chance, but I don't think it is out of the question. Despite what some say, and we don't need to turn the emphasis of the thread towards Clowney, but I think many pro evaluators see him as a once in 20 year type player. Once the combine gets here, he is really going to skyrocket. Scouts love the combine and Clowney is going to be off the charts.
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I also would only wish Teddy or JM as a first round investment...after the first round I'll leave it up to the scouts on who is thought of as developmental.
I don't believe all this talk about Teddy dropping. I think before and now he is the obvious Overall #1 pick and I hope the Texans do not do something stupid like take JM as a Texan Marketing thing over Teddy.
Teddy at #2 Rams I think will be very auction able similar to the RG3 auction...where as I do not think JM will take on the same market value in an auction. But if JM goes #1 we will be almost forced to give up a lot to move up for #2 spot and get Teddy.
I would love to have either - and I still would hope that Hoyer would start and mentor the young future franchise QB. How Hoyer plays would determine how long they would sit. Brees had Rivers (an overall #4 pick) sitting for 3 years?
If we should be so lucky fine with me More than likely a one year at best QB stint.
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I don't really see the trade market for #2 being there this year - the same way it was in the RG3 draft.
I wouldn't be surprised if we could give up our 2nd round pick to go from #4 to #2 if we wanted to (regardless of which QB is left).
Of course, it really only takes two teams that have their eyes set on a guy.
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Johnny Football won’t start the Broadway Joe act yetPosted by Darin Gantt on January 30, 2014, 11:14 AM EST For a guy who became known in college for finding the spotlight and staying in it, Johnny Manziel is laying low this week. According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Manziel is staying in San Diego to prepare for the Scouting Combine, rather than coming to New York to make the loop of promotional appearances. Manziel’s been working out with quarterback tutor George Whitfield, who helped polish Cam Newton into the top pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. Manziel’s agent Erik Burkhardt said the Texas A&M quarterback turned down “several lucrative marketing offers,” adding that “His focus remains 100% on football.” If he’s taken first in the draft, there will be plenty of opportunities to market himself later. And by staying off the radar this week, he’s attempting to prove to teams his off-field action isn’t going to distract him.
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I am hoping Manziel throws at the combine. I don't care if he runs and jumps. Just throw.
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How many experts are picking him to be the first pick?
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Exactly why he would look to build the offense - he would like to show all he isn't a one trick pony.
Franchise QB you don't mess around...only if both Teddy and JM are gone by our 4th pick do we think of who we assess as developmental QB...but not as a plan only as a fall back plan if Teddy n JM are gone.
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If Teddy slips to #2 trade up for him. I'd give up both firsts and a 2015 first. Now before people freak out at that idea. We still have a ton of picks and a GM that will spend money in free agency. If this was Heckertt I'd be a little hesitant because he avoided free agency like the plague.
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3 first round picks to move up two slots would not be wise. I'd give them our two this year I guess, but that's a lot as well. Two spots? a 2nd round pick should do it unless there is a bidding war.
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As much as it pains me to consider it, I'd trade our two firsts to move up to #1 or #2, because I think the three QBs I'd want for us will go 1, 2, 3.
The point of all the extra picks we got was to make sure we get a QB. If we still don't get a QB, well... what's the point?
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3 first round picks to move up two slots would not be wise. I'd give them our two this year I guess, but that's a lot as well. Two spots? a 2nd round pick should do it unless there is a bidding war.
I understand being hesitant spending multiple draft picks. Pick 26 is a borderline 2nd rounder. Take no half measures. We'd still have 8 picks afterwards. If we pass on a potential franchise QB because we're too cheap and overvalue draft picks it's just going to be another stain on this franchise.
I also don't think we have as many holes as a guy like Toad would have you to believe.
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I've been wailing for weeks that I'd like to trade out and get a first for next year and try for young franchise guy then.
Nobody would comment or attack me.
If these guys want Johnny Football, then fine. If not, then sell that pick
Its gonna be valuable!
I think there are guys on the board who believe that Teddy is better than either Mariota or Winston. They could be right, but I would hold out.
Go with Hoyer, get a swap of firsts and a first next year, have the draft of our lives this May, build the team, and get a 6 4" guy who can run and throw next year.
No?
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I'm with you on this one. We gotta get a QB.
That said, I draw the line after our second 1st-rounder.
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I don't think there will be the QB rush this year that there was in the Luck/Griffin year.
Not that Scouts Inc/Kiper/Walter/draftcountdown/gbnreport/Mayock are the be all end all - but between them they have a pretty good hint of what teams are thinking.
They had Luck/RG3 solidly 1/2 by this time (yes, RG3 was a late riser, but he was 2-4 on most boards by the time of the super bowl).
The average position on the boards right now is about 6-8 for Bridgewater, and 10-15 for Manziel and Bortles. These QBs aren't getting near the hype of 2012 (the only year we ever saw 3 first rounders for a trade up).
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I've been wailing for weeks that I'd like to trade out and get a first for next year and try for young franchise guy then.
Nobody would comment or attack me.
If these guys want Johnny Football, then fine. If not, then sell that pick
Its gonna be valuable!
I think there are guys on the board who believe that Teddy is better than either Mariota or Winston. They could be right, but I would hold out.
Go with Hoyer, get a swap of firsts and a first next year, have the draft of our lives this May, build the team, and get a 6 4" guy who can run and throw next year.
No?
Why not?
I am actually in favour of this plan. None of the QBs in the class wows me as an out of the gate starter - admittedly I'm no QB guru though. I'd be happier going for a mid-round guy if the FO and Scouts are not 95% certain on the QB the want at #4 or higher.
The RGIII trade was insane and if he never fully recovers his mobility and running ability - like said above - and is not the same threat running the ball, all you have is an average QB unless he really starts to progress as passer.
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Probably quite a few. I don't pay attention to expert mock drafts at this point in the process. But I know for sure that Kiper had Manziel going #1 overall.
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People literally say this every year. At some point we are going to have to draft a guy, right?
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Maybe, but then they all had Sharrif Floyd in the top 5 last year, too.
What I don't get is if you look at Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, and Minnesota... how can you justify any of them passing on a QB if there's one they think could be a starter? I would say of those teams Cleveland is the most-likely to pass, and that's not saying a lot. You could argue St. Louis and Tampa in the top 8 as well.
There is just such a premium on QBs, that ranking a QB 8th or 15th or 3rd or whatever almost doesn't make sense.
Honestly if you want to rank prospects I think you almost have to rank quarterbacks and non-quarterbacks separately.
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People literally say this every year. At some point we are going to have to draft a guy, right?
You're exactly right.
They'll look at next years QBs, over analyze them, and then "wait for next year."
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People literally say this every year. At some point we are going to have to draft a guy, right?
Beyond sick of it. I don't care if we have to draft a first round QB every single season. JUST FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!
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I also would only wish Teddy or JM as a first round investment...after the first round I'll leave it up to the scouts on who is thought of as developmental.
I don't believe all this talk about Teddy dropping. I think before and now he is the obvious Overall #1 pick and I hope the Texans do not do something stupid like take JM as a Texan Marketing thing over Teddy.
Teddy at #2 Rams I think will be very auction able similar to the RG3 auction...where as I do not think JM will take on the same market value in an auction. But if JM goes #1 we will be almost forced to give up a lot to move up for #2 spot and get Teddy.
I would love to have either - and I still would hope that Hoyer would start and mentor the young future franchise QB. How Hoyer plays would determine how long they would sit. Brees had Rivers (an overall #4 pick) sitting for 3 years?
If we should be so lucky fine with me More than likely a one year at best QB stint.
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I don't really see the trade market for #2 being there this year - the same way it was in the RG3 draft.
I wouldn't be surprised if we could give up our 2nd round pick to go from #4 to #2 if we wanted to (regardless of which QB is left).
Of course, it really only takes two teams that have their eyes set on a guy.
Here is the issue I see.
Would a team prefer our #4 and #26, or The Vikings #8 and their first next year? Or, the Raiders #5 and a first next year?
They could jump us. Easily. A first from the Raiders or Vikings next year is a lot more valuable than our #26.
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QBs go 1, 2 n 3 - we have BPA of positional players?
Drop back maybe only maybe one or two slots. I think there are 2 special players in the Sammy kid and Clowney. As long as we get the one we want then auction the other off??? but take what the guy behind us who wants the other guy take a 2nd? Maybe a 3rd to drop one spot and get our special talent.
We earned and worked hard for that #4 position! Lets get the special talent!
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