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If only I could be as holy as you two......... 
Maybe if you traded in the Caddy for a used Popemobile, you might qualify...
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You are consistent...........I have to give that to you.
Do you feel real big?
Thank you and yes
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Sorry to have offended the moral majority.
However, that was the first thought that popped into my head.
You can blame me for this. I don't care. But, it wasn't me who got busted five times in a couple of years for banned substances.
I do find it ironic that you and Daman are so offended that I question Gordon's character, yet you question mine for suggesting that Gordon may have just been being Gordon.
If only I could be as holy as you two.........
I just found it as reaching to the extreme. Had there of been any evidence to indicate something like you suggested, that would be a little different.
He's had several tickets to the point that if I were him, I'd probably let someone else drive too. Many people advocate that players let someone else drive.
I just found it as reaching to a long shot conclusion that had no real basis. Which you have every right to do. I just don't think you should be so surprised when people see it as being a "negative Nancy" without anything to really base it on.
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Sorry to have offended the moral majority.
However, that was the first thought that popped into my head.
You can blame me for this. I don't care. But, it wasn't me who got busted five times in a couple of years for banned substances.
I do find it ironic that you and Daman are so offended that I question Gordon's character, yet you question mine for suggesting that Gordon may have just been being Gordon.
If only I could be as holy as you two.........
I'm not offended at all. I'm not even annoyed. I'm actually having a good laugh at your expense.. thank you
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Sorry to have offended the moral majority.
However, that was the first thought that popped into my head.
Lot's of things pop into my head, then I think and don't write most of them down. 
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That's pretty funny. However, I really don't care what guys like Da-Mans-Hot think. To say that there wasn't a possibility of Gordon being high is extremely naive.
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To say that there wasn't a possibility of Gordon being high is extremely naive.
Nobody said there wasn't a possibility.. at least I don't think anybody did.. but considering time of day and where he was going, it's unlikely... and I think most people were a bit put off by you jumping immediately to that conclusion.. but Gordon made that bed so he's going to have to lie in it for a long time... it will forever be in the back of people's mind with him that it's possible.
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That's pretty funny. However, I really don't care what guys like Da-Mans-Hot think. To say that there wasn't a possibility of Gordon being high is extremely naive.
Oh,I seemed to have made a terrible mistake,I've always thought it was Da-Man-Shot.
As far as Gordon goes,him being high certainly entered my mind when I first heard about the accident. But it was "at least he's smart enough to get a DD,showing a little maturity there"
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To say that there wasn't a possibility of Gordon being high is extremely naive.
Nobody said there wasn't a possibility.. at least I don't think anybody did.. but considering time of day and where he was going, it's unlikely... and I think most people were a bit put off by you jumping immediately to that conclusion..
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Wonder why he wasn't driving his own vehicle?
Wondering why is not immediately jumping to a conclusion. In fact, wondering why is far from reaching any sort of conclusion, never mind, immediately drawing a conclusion.
This is very typical of the board. People misrepresent what others are saying and most of it is based off of how their personalities mesh--or don't mesh.
I'll be very clear. I did not immediately jump to a conclusion. I still haven't made a conclusion. All I did was bring up the question as to why he was not driving his own car. With his background, I do not feel that question was unwarranted and it certainly did not deserve the attacks that followed, such as this one, by Da Mans Hot:
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I was trying to say you make it easy to look like an Arse,, But you can take it anyway you want 
You wanna pile on DC, go ahead, but I am not going to sit here and allow you guys to act like I made some outrageous comment or started this little battle.
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To say that there wasn't a possibility of Gordon being high is extremely naive.
Nobody said there wasn't a possibility.. at least I don't think anybody did.. but considering time of day and where he was going, it's unlikely... and I think most people were a bit put off by you jumping immediately to that conclusion..
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Wonder why he wasn't driving his own vehicle?
Wondering why is not immediately jumping to a conclusion. In fact, wondering why is far from reaching any sort of conclusion, never mind, immediately drawing a conclusion.
This is very typical of the board. People misrepresent what others are saying and most of it is based off of how their personalities mesh--or don't mesh.
I'll be very clear. I did not immediately jump to a conclusion. I still haven't made a conclusion. All I did was bring up the question as to why he was not driving his own car. With his background, I do not feel that question was unwarranted and it certainly did not deserve the attacks that followed, such as this one, by Da Mans Hot:
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I was trying to say you make it easy to look like an Arse,, But you can take it anyway you want
You wanna pile on DC, go ahead, but I am not going to sit here and allow you guys to act like I made some outrageous comment or started this little battle.
was this accident when he was going to work? or an off day?
because if it is an off day, maybe he was drunk, and got a DD.
if it was going to work, maybe he let his homeboy drive a cool car that he never had the chance to before.
not everything has to be doom and gloom with you when it comes to gordon, jeez man. when it comes to gordon, you become like Slick, nothing but negative comes out of your mouth.
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not everything has to be doom and gloom with you when it comes to gordon, jeez man. when it comes to gordon, you become like Slick, nothing but negative comes out of your mouth.
Really? How's this in regards to Gordon:
--Great athlete.
--Extremely fast.
--Makes big plays consistently.
--Soft hands.
--Difference maker.
--Extremely productive when he is on the field.
--Knack for making big plays.
I think it's more like you--and some others--only want to hear the positives. It reminds me of how some guys never had to perform academically or behave because they could score TDs on the football field. Let's just overlook all those things. LOL......that's fine.........I get it.
But please, don't get offended and huffy when people actually do bring up facts.
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not everything has to be doom and gloom with you when it comes to gordon, jeez man. when it comes to gordon, you become like Slick, nothing but negative comes out of your mouth.
Really? How's this in regards to Gordon:
--Great athlete.
--Extremely fast.
--Makes big plays consistently.
--Soft hands.
--Difference maker.
--Extremely productive when he is on the field.
--Knack for making big plays.
I think it's more like you--and some others--only want to hear the positives. It reminds me of how some guys never had to perform academically or behave because they could score TDs on the football field. Let's just overlook all those things. LOL......that's fine.........I get it.
But please, don't get offended and huffy when people actually do bring up facts.
nobody wants to bring up positives all the time. we are 4-10 vers, not exactly national media talk worthy there.
but you CONSTANTLY say negative stuff about some of the only difference makers we have on this team.
that list you just said about gordon? first time i ever seen you say anything like that about gordon. all the time its his drug problems, or you'll come and continue you're crusade when he has a bad game, you was all OVER that after the bears game, but damn near not a peep out of you when he broke the records.
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How about you quit making it about me and just concentrate on what you have seen. Some of you have this odd perception that people will agree w/you if you rip another poster enough.
For the record, I have praised Gordon. I typically don't follow the crowd. If I think a guy is playing well and a bunch of other people are praising him, then I won't say as much. It's already being said. I'm not a parrot.
Heck, earlier in this thread I even mentioned how I was telling the people who came to watch the Bear game about what a beast Gordon is. I love his skills. He has top tier talent. There is no denying that.
But, his past isn't going away. He hasn't even went a year w/out being busted. He was busted 5 separate times in a few years. He was kicked out of two schools and failed two drug tests in his rookie year. Yet, you get so offended because I am worried about that. Sorry man, it's hard for me to trust someone w/that many violations. I have known plenty of drug users. Most of them are not bad people, but they have a weakness and despite their best intentions, they keep slipping back into the dark world of drug use.
I hope he stays clean. But, it's probably going to take some time before I just "forget" about his past history. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but it's the way it is.
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How about you quit making it about me and just concentrate on what you have seen. Some of you have this odd perception that people will agree w/you if you rip another poster enough.
For the record, I have praised Gordon. I typically don't follow the crowd. If I think a guy is playing well and a bunch of other people are praising him, then I won't say as much. It's already being said. I'm not a parrot.
Heck, earlier in this thread I even mentioned how I was telling the people who came to watch the Bear game about what a beast Gordon is. I love his skills. He has top tier talent. There is no denying that.
But, his past isn't going away. He hasn't even went a year w/out being busted. He was busted 5 separate times in a few years. He was kicked out of two schools and failed two drug tests in his rookie year. Yet, you get so offended because I am worried about that. Sorry man, it's hard for me to trust someone w/that many violations. I have known plenty of drug users. Most of them are not bad people, but they have a weakness and despite their best intentions, they keep slipping back into the dark world of drug use.
I hope he stays clean. But, it's probably going to take some time before I just "forget" about his past history. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but it's the way it is.
first off, me getting offended at anybody on a message board is laughable. if you get offended, or anybody else, you might wanna disconnect the internet.
second for somebody trying to tell another person to stop making it about you, thats all you EVER do.
its a message board, i can and will comment on whatever i please. now? its you.
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maybe Maybe MAYBE... Geesh LOL
Last report I saw said he wasn't even driving.
Now, if he had a few drinks and asked his friend to drive, he should be applauded.
Is drinking against NFL policies?
I'm also sure he takes regular drug tests...
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Vers - one of your 1st thoughts was to question if Gordon let someone else drive because he was drunk or high. Nothing wrong with that. The thought crossed my mind and I am sure most peoples on this board. Nothing wrong with that. People criticized you for being the one to post it. You don't need to be so defensive all the time. If you let the criticism pass and not argue back all the time you would have a lot fewer of these argumentative threads to deal with.
Everyone else - Vers asked a reasonable question. He didn't state it has fact. The question crossed my mind as I am sure it crossed the mind of many others including Chud/Banner/Lombardi. No reason to be so attacking. Give possible other alternatives, accept the possibility of alcohol or drugs and move on. I don't understand the almost personal attacks.
Can we return to our regularly scheduled Qb debate?
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You wanna pile on DC, go ahead, but I am not going to sit here and allow you guys to act like I made some outrageous comment or started this little battle.
Your comment did start the battle.. or maybe those who responded first to your comment started the battle... or maybe your comments back to them was the real origin of the battle... One thing I know about you Vers is that you will fight to the bitter end.... so have at it, it just won't be with me. Good luck.
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Nah he stunk...those are the glasses you wish to wear...blame it on the WRs.
I see you were swayed by your friends...Nah...play of the Campbell was dreadful the WRs were not great but does that have anything to do with Campbell. How many times were the WRs open and he just totally ignored them as he locked onto the wrong guy
Perhaps this is why no one responds to you?
I saw what I saw.
I am not saying JC played great. He made some mistakes. However, the receivers wussed out on several occasions.
I saw that.
I'm not going back into the waters of Campbell v. Hoyer. It's nearing the point of two little kids sticking their tongues out going "UH HUH!" "NUH UH!" But to the receivers, I didn't watch the game, only highlights. I saw a bad INT by Campbell on the pass to Cameron I think it was. On the Little INT it's obvious Little ran the wrong route, something he's done far too much of since his time here. I don't even know what route he was thinking of, as when he made his cut not only did he not move away from his primary coverage, but he turned right in the throwing lane of the other defender. Had Little ran the out like Campbell was expecting it was open. And speaking of Little, any receiver in the game not named Bess...who would have likely dropped the pass...could have caught that screen and ran 44-yards. Little could easily be sent packing at the end of the year, and at the very least will be send farther down the depth chart. He's earned that.
As for Gordon, he's loafed all year long when not fully mentally invested in the game. Even on the TD, it's amazing that he did score because he ran a half-hearted route where he was barely going 3/4 speed...until he saw the ball in the air then decided to run. His body language after the score was pathetic. Down two TD's I wouldn't expect him to do a dance, but all I saw was resignation and defeat.
Gordon has all the gifts in the world but I've been seriously critical of his mind and his effort. He IS making strides to becoming a franchise WR, but he has strides to make between the ears. At least he didn't pull a Dez Bryant and walk off the field before the game was over.
Since we're talking about QB's, I saw a couple of his highlights. the TD to Jefferies...my God, how do you lob it up into double coverage and get away with that? Rusty or not, Cutler is NOT a franchise QB. He's a solid NFL QB but he's always been a huge gambler which has resulted in him being a turnover machine. The guy falls outside the realm of the franchise players.
Consider this: In 105 career starts, Jay Cutler has 110 INT's and 62 fumbles, with 25 of them lost. That is FAR from the realm of franchise QB's.
If Cutler could be had only for a contract, sure, take a shot, but if the Bears limit his movement and it takes a draft pick or picks to get him, pass on him, he's not a franchise QB.
Gordon can make playing WR look effortlessly but he doesn't give it all everytime, that's why it looks odd at times..
He could haul in more catches if he wouldn't get lazy at times, but since this a QB thread I'll stick to that for now.
I've had enough of Campbell, no way should he start and IMO he's at that point where his game has faded enough as much as our receivers drop balls.
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He does have a tendency to get lazy when his head's not in the game.
Randy Moss was the worst I've ever seen at that.
In the end, guys like that are worth it so long as they produce when it counts.
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