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Racism is believing you are superior to someone based on the color of their skin. I can stereotype black people as being better jumpers than white boys, but I dont feel they are inferior to me.

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then based on that, "nappy headed ho's" isn't racist at all... so why is anyone discussing this?

racist or not racist.... damned if I know or care, BUT.. it is equally as racist as "nappy headed ho's" without a doubt in my mind.

If one is, they both are equally.

I dont know, I find it hard to believe that if you were with your daughter and a stranger called your daughter a Barbie that would think he was a racist.

It doesn't matter at all whether or not you or anyone else finds it offensive.

Either all comments using a stereotype based in race/creed/color is racist, or none of them are.

It's not racist just because you find it offensive and it doesn't have to offend to be racist. It would be racist because of what it is.

I think you are confusing using a stereotype and being a racist.

Reggie White used a stereotype a few years back in regards to asians. Sure it came out wrong, but he isnt a racist for it.

No, I am not confusing them at all... I think you believe that something has to be offensive to be racist. That is not the case.

It may or may not make him a racist, but it does make his comment racist.


Now, apply the same thing to Imus.... or is that too inconvenient?

Well I hope if I have a daughter and she comes across a racist who is bullying her that the worst she hears is that she is a Barbie. If thats the case she should turn out ok.

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Now what IMUS said about the Rutgers girls was certainly offensive but was it racist??

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No.

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He got mad and called me a "white beeoch" I said screw you you " black beeotch" dude went in the office and said I used racial slurs. I got reprimanded is that a double standard??

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Well that sucks, cause that is bull.

I think if you guys reread my posts, I never condemmed Imus at all, im just saying the Barbie doll/racism analogy was bad, thats all.

Just read it on yahoo news - Imus got fired.

At least now the Rutgers team, Al, and Jesse can move forward, knowing they solved this problem.

Mixed reviews here...on one hand, I don't like the limits it sets on free speech...on the other hand, Don Imus has a documented history of racist overtones...what he did might not have been the most catastrophic of statements in terms of racism...but I believe the man was a racist and I took pleasure in watching him burn over it. Lesson learned, Don. In the end, I think his comments were more sexist than racist...and I feel sorry for those girls.

In that case,would it be safe to say that we should expect Sharpton to also call for the firings of rap and hip hop artists who use similar terms and language in their music?

Shouldn't the Sharptonites also be boycotting many black comedians who use these same terms and use racist comments? Or are they being "selective" in who they target this agressively? Why no national uproar by them when rap artists have done this since the early 90's? It only took them a WEEK with Imus. Not 15 years. Pure double standard with racial overtones. I'm just sick of my race letting them get away with such BS.

I've seen comments by Sharpton and Jackson that say they "disaprove" of this language in rap and hip hop. But why aren't they calling for these guys jobs? Why is it somehow "less of an infraction" when black artists permiate these type of things on the youth of our country? I guess young black artists can make a career out of such racial slurs and make a fortune from it,while others get their career ruined for the VERY SAME THING? Yeah,that's equality.

Once Sharpton and Jackson start boycotting radio stations that play such music,call for the jobs of the record executives who sign and promote these artists,boycott corperate sponsors of these artists,I'll believe they're sincere.

As of now? They're ignoring the real problem to head hunt white people for the very same things that they DON'T persue as heavily by black people saying the same things.

That's racism too.

j/c... I have been wondering if he could have handled it any better afterwards... i mean if he would have just said "hey im just joking around everyone lighten up...I mean look at me I could be #1 on People magazine's "faces most ravaged by drink" and my eyebrows are an inch long...why doesnt every stop taking themselves so seriously"

Maybe it is just my personality but I always look for the humor in every situation, and dont let what anyone else says bother me.

I listen to Imus all the time and heard him use worse "scenerios". He is being made an example when in fact his firing is uncalled. He is a "Shock Jock" and it's sad that though he has made far worse comments prior, but this one sticks out. Pathetic if you ask me, it's just an excuse to make him a racist, when in fact he does alot of good as a person.

People need to get over what happened in the past, it's funny if Imus was an african american, then nothing would be said, but again, another person is being made an example of, and if you watched the game they did look like "whores", no matter though, this has become something bigger then us all.

Imus rocks and I will continue to listen to him every chance I get.

It's also about marketing capital I think.... if this had been Howard Stern, there'd have been a stink, but nothing would have come of it. It would have been a blip on the radar for him at worst.

I definitely believe that a good portion of this is because of who he is. Be it he's too "weak" in terms of media clout to fend it off or because he's a white male or whatever. I guarantee Stern would have had a different outcome.... he also has plenty of clout and definitely would have handled it differently.

The way I see it (and I don't think this is exactly how the public sees it), I don't mind when Stern does it because at the end of the day I don't think Stern is a racist. Imus, however, has a history otherwise. So one bothers me...the other one doesn't.

I agree Stern would have handled it differently...as since he's on Sirius there's a difference in the presence of advertising...but I think you're onto something...I still think it has to do with personas more than clout.

Well, they were showing their prowess handling balls.

j/c


I was just on Cleveland.com and they had a poll going about Imus' comments.

After I voted I saw that a whopping 68.7% of responses said that the comments were completely blown out of proportion(which is true)

22.9% said his comments were given the appropriate response

and lastly,

8.3% of the people polled believed that there wasn't enough of an outrage about these comments. (Who are these people; I guess they want to see Imus crucified.)

Link to page, poll towards the bottom on right hand side

Did Don Imus deserve to be fired by CBS? * 115257 responses

Yes, he went too far, and for no reason
26%

No, the comment wasn't that big a deal
22%

The suspension was deserved, but firing him is an overreaction
51%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18080360/

73% of those poled on MSNBC say nothing should have happenned or the two week suspicion was sufficiant. I guess the corperate world has no use for the opinions of their consumers huh?

Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK
Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

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I'm glad someone finally gets it! Imus getting fired was a disgrace!

That article is already posted in this thread.


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Amen. Finally someone gets it. But will Sharpton and Jackson confront those issues..of course not. It's more important to get the white guy for saying "nappy headed hos" then the rappers who celebrate killing and drug dealing.

Yeah, it was already posted, but it's kind of buried in the 7 or 8 pages on that thread.

Since the media has made such a big deal out of this, and since Sharpton and Jackson have "succeeded" in getting this man fired, perhaps this thread should be allowed to stand? I dunno.....

Now that the "justice" brothers, the reverends, have succeeded in leading the charge to have Imus fired, I'm curious as to what their take is on the false rape accusations in the Duke case are. Also, I'm anxiously waiting for them to take on the "gangsta" rap artists....you know, the "singers"/"artists" that consitantly use much worse language in their songs - when will the reverends go after them?

I'm glad Imus was given the boot. Sure I believe in free speech, and free matches exactly what Imus' sputterings are worth. It sure would be nice if others that the author mentions in his article receive a similar boot.

Is that how society should react to EVERYONE who says things that upset them? Or only certain ones?

You are right Arch. The two great leaders prosecuted those Duke kids in the media without a trial, yet THIS is "justice"? I won't hold my breath waiting for an appology from those two pinheads.

I still can hear Jesse calling New York City "Himey Town" in 1984. Who's the racist / anti-semite, Mr Jackson?

Has the "good and honorable" reverend jackson ever apologized for the "hymietown" incident? If not, now would be a good time for him to quit his job, or be fired.

And, him being such a holy man, I would think he would recuse himself from calling himself a reverend, what with his "love child" and all, you know, the affair he had, and the $10,000 he's paying his "love childs" mother each month.

Hmm......something for people to think about the next time the "monochrome" coalition calls, asking for money.

But, what do I know? I'm just a honky that struggles to pay my bills.

Everything is too pc.
Would it really bother me if some black dj called a team of mostly white players fair haired crackers?
Nope, not at all.
I have more to worry about. A little name calling does nothing to me.